LA Angels Tuesday News Crash- Well-Chosen Figures

“We just need a couple of well-chosen figures to make this thing to make this thing work all the way around.” says Joe Maddon.  It’s been that way for five years now, Sherlock.  Who’s going to be doing the choosing?  Tony LaRussa? Angels GM Billy “Keppler” is on the hot seat as the season comes to a close.  At least someone in New Jersey besides Mike Trout’s family thinks Mike Trout is the face of Major League Baseball.  Shohei Ohtani speaks bits of three different languages in the course of a minute responding to his “best friend” Noe Ramirez about whether he was going to rejoin their Warzone group.  He seems like a fun guy to me.  Here is Jared Walsh doing Jared Walsh things. The Angels are already doomed to a losing season. Therefore the win on Monday only affected their dwindling hopes of sneaking into the postseason.

News From Around Baseball

The Padres, Dodgers, Twins, Rays, Yankees, White Sox, and Oakland have all clinched playoff spots.  The window is closing. The MLBPA and MLB have committed $10 million to increase black American participation in all levels of baseball.  Availability of witnesses!?  What the hell?  It was televised.  Erik Kratz’s got a nice knuckler, for a catcher.  He’ll be a 40 year old free agent in 2021.  It would be funny to sign him, but I don’t think funny is the effect the Angels should be going for right now.  Trevor Bauer wears trash can cleats in a game. 

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

If we hire Dombrowski….

  • Given how he has worked with ownership in the past it probably signals Arte being willing to blow even more money in an effort to win a WS before he gets super old. That’s cool.
  • Even if that’s the case, I’m not sure much will change because, to spite the standard “Arte won’t spend on pitching” bitch around here, there has to be actual good pitchers willing to take a pile of money and come here. Arte pursued both Cole and Wheeler and was willing to spend last off season, just not on MadBum level crap. I don’t see how Dombrowski offering the contracts will change that this year, just like Maddon didn’t magically draw any pitchers last off season. Pitchers who want to pitch in particular places are still going to go do that.
  • This probably means trading for pitchers teams can’t/don’t want to pay anymore. So get ready to bitch and wank about trading prospects you have over rated for pitchers that are not Grade A. Think Sonny Gray, not aces.
  • If you are in the “build the farm” camp, get ready to be really unhappy. I really want to build the farm, but I also understand if they want to try and warm up our post season efforts with a giant bonfire of cash. If it works, hurrah.
  • Every Dombrowski winner is followed by a massive dismantling and tank job as even super rich owners have to recover from Dombrowski’s Soviet Era spending tactics. So if he’s hired, bend over, lube up, and stretch out cause that will be coming.
  • But hey, anything’s better than Eppler right? Just like anything was better than Soth. No matter what happens at least we can all stop living with the pain of being so much smarter than our FO and having to watch them not make the moves that we come up with in our fantasy worlds.
2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 year ago

We need a post WW2 Marshall Plan or 2008 TARP to rebuild our broken farm system and scouting.
Just one big problem…….Arte wants someone else to pay for it. 😆 

eyespy
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Arte will invest, if there is a guaranteed return.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  eyespy

It is probably somewhat nebulous at this point, but there has to be a plan to make money off of owning the stadium/Trout/Rendon and that plan probably involves wishing the Angels were a contender and making money.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
1 year ago

yes, Rengifo hitting 9th with his .138 average.

Toronto is losing but I think it’s too late. (duh!)

Reading what Simba said last week it sounds like he’s gone.

“I enjoy playing here, I’ve had a good time. I made good friends. I like the city. I know at the end of the day, it’s not completely in my hands and I know it’s a little bit of a business.”

Had….made… Anyway, we’ll see. Knowing Arte there won’t be a QO.

PatrickNaN
Trusted Member
1 year ago

It seems to me like our FO doesn’t want him back. He was pretty clear when Trout re-signed that he wanted an extension. I think he’s been pretty good about not making an issue of not being offered one. I don’t care if he’s taking these last 5 meaningless games off. There is always some remote chance of injury and that could hurt his future.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 year ago

All of us can point to what is wrong with the Angels and it seems it is getting easier at every turn. But who of us would make a better GM than Eppler or Moreno or Dave Dombroski? This team is in bad shape and no Tony Larussa or Billy Eppler can change that unless two things happen. One Arte Moreno gets the heck out of the way and takes out a huge loan to cover #2. And that is huge a real front office and send on Free Agent pitching.

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago

I don’t think there is a GM that can fix it. Because Arte will not give him/her the authority to fix it. We need a full rebuild, but Arte refuses to reduce revenue to do it. And also having the GOAT pushing 30 means you need to win now. It’s all messed up.

Trading Trout would jumpstart a rebuild like no other, that conversation is only going to get louder as he hits 30+

PatrickNaN
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

I’m not optimistic for the same reasons you aren’t…and I’m Mr. Optimism!

LAAFan
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Simmons, what a joke. That’s how you leave an organization after 5 years? Give him the QO and depress his market.

EDIT- Unless of course there is something we don’t know, maybe a family issue, in which case my apologies!

Last edited 1 year ago by LAAFan
Mia
Super Member
Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  LAAFan

He’s been the ultimate team player since he arrived, I think we can give him the benefit of the doubt here.

And I’m not going to blame a player for not wanting to risk COVID for no benefit. He’s no really fighting for a job, someone will give him a contract.

LAAFan
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

I’m 100% going to blame him, if there’s nothing else to the story. He basically just gave the middle finger to his teammates and us as fans. On the opposite side, would you sign a guy who quits like that?

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  LAAFan

Cool. I’d have no issue if any player decides to sit out when their team is eliminated. We still don’t know the long term effects of this virus, why take unnecessary risk? I think grown men can read nuance in a situation.

LAAFan
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

Come on, the dude has a greater risk of hurting his ankle running to 1st base again. And you’d seriously have no issue with that? As of now there is no ‘nuance’, just a guy who’s preparing himself for free agency. Fair enough to him, but I’m not going to applaud him for doing so.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  LAAFan

ha ha! True. That might be the reason he’s opting out. 😀

Mia
Super Member
Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  LAAFan

Nah, we just disagree. It’s cool.

It’s still very likely he has an at risk family member and now that he has no chance of playoffs he sitting out, no issue at all with that. I’m also cool with not condemning someone when I only have part of a story.

LAAFan
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

Yeah agree to disagree. To be absolutely clear too, I wouldn’t condemn at all if it was a family member or something. I’m just commenting based on what we know.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  LAAFan

… which is not the full story.

Mia
Super Member
Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  LAAFan

So then just withhold any judgement? Let’s not get worked up over made up scenarios. If he comes out and says he sat out to not risk injury for his new contract, I’ll condemn him with ya 🙂

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

It’s the Twitter era… react first, deal with the consequences …. never.

LAAFan
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

He gave an official statement already, not like it’s just heresay…

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Kids these days, I tell ya…

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

Git off my virtual socially-distanced lawn!

Mia
Super Member
Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

You could turn the sprinklers on to get me off, but that would destroy the server farm.

LAAFan
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

We will see!

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  LAAFan

You think Covid’s a joke? We have no idea what happened. I agree with Mia 100%. Simba wouldn’t just walk away for no reason. Hope all is ok with him and I feel your pain on losing him LAAFan, I just don’t have a negative thought about our beloved Simmons.

LAAFan
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Like I said, it’s all depending on if there’s info we don’t know. As of right now, COVID? The team’s been fine for 50+ games, they’re not going to suddenly turn into an infirmary on the last weekend…

max
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max
1 year ago
Reply to  LAAFan

“…they’re not going to suddenly turn into an infirmary on the last weekend…”

Angels: “Hold my beer.”

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  LAAFan

Should he take the chance of being injured in the last 5 games for a team that is going no where fast or be realistic and say my worth can only go down in the last 5 games. The team is going to put Fletch at short and put Rengifo at 2b and that is the least expensive move for now until next years FA class of SS comes around who are younger than Simba.

LAAFan
Trusted Member
1 year ago

He can do what he wants, he’s allowed to given the rules of this season. However, I’m not going to applaud a guy for essentially giving a middle finger to the whole team.

LAAFan
Trusted Member
1 year ago

He’s free to opt out, but then we’re free to criticize it. I honestly did think we were gonna QO him to play SS next year, but I guess not. Hopefully we finally get some pitching!

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  LAAFan

I think he would take the QO, no? I thought QO is some ridiculous number this year. I could be wrong tho.

LAAFan
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I believe it’s around 18 million, and yeah I think he would take it as well. I wouldn’t mind that too much as a one year deal, and letting Fletch be 2B for 2021.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  LAAFan

That’s some serial coinage … we could buy maybe ten Odrisamer Despaignes with that kind of change.

LAAFan
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Haha, please somebody keep Eppler from the checkbook!

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  LAAFan

I will never look at dumpster diving in the same way ever again.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Or one Dark Knight and one Doug Fister.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  LAAFan

That’s what I was hoping for.😞

Yet another Angels Buttercup.

Goodbye Simba.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  LAAFan

Man … Woke up out of a sound sleep all mad at simba. I slept on it and see your point now. ✌

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
1 year ago

what’s this I hear about Simba opting out of the last 5 games?

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
1 year ago

Yup, apparently he’s done. Oh well

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Rengifo then. I’m sorry, Barreto, but I’m half glad you’re injured.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 year ago

They do have so things in common such as neither can field or hit.

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
1 year ago

I bet Jared Walsh can play second too, he seems to be able to do everything

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

we are so close to contending! All we lack is a few position players and most of the pitching staff.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago

mix in a new owner, manager, CEO of baseball operations, ball washer, uniform stitcher (bka seamstress/seamster? (what’s the gender-neutral name for one who stitches?) [voice of Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber]WE’RE THERE![/voice]

ryanfea
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Not as well as Bourjos

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

We need him at 1B though.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

EXTEND PUJOLS
 😂 

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

What is going on? I am surprised at this, was it because they don’t want to extend him?

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
1 year ago

There is a theory on Twitter that he doesn’t want to risk injury, and if the avenue is there, why not take it?

Honestly, I have no idea. We’ll see what happens this offseason, but his statement makes it seem like he doesn’t think he’ll be back.

BruinsAngelsKings
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

That’s what I thought, he isn’t coming back. Which makes the LaStella trade even WORSE if that was even possible. 😥 

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

I for one am going to really miss him but the pitchers will miss him even more.

BruinsAngelsKings
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Yeah, this seems like an odd time to opt out with only 5 games remaining.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Soon to be an article in Forbes

PatrickNaN
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Thanks for the link. The article did a good job of describing our circumstances, which made me sad.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  PatrickNaN

There replies are all either or for DD, but the last one gave me a chuckle “wait for Theo”.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago

I am not going to apply. That job is a lose-lose sitch.

Signed,
DD (DowningDude)

PatrickNaN
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Ha! I missed it. That’s good!

LAAFan
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Maybe? Dombrowski has built a winner before, and he does carry enough name value to hopefully check Arte’s lunacy.

red floyd
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

They just wanted to avoid his orbital mechanics.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  red floyd

YEEESSSSSS! GOLD!

Fansince1971
Super Member
1 year ago

I realize this may be unpopular but I’m an advocate for Luhnow. I think he is the best GM available and will be highly motivated to reestablish his reputation and career. It would be a huge upgrade over Eppler and way better than Dumbo.

Jessica DeLine
Admin
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I think Arte would stay away from that controversy

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Jessica DeLine

Agree.

Mia
Super Member
Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  Jessica DeLine

I know we have a no politics rule, so let’s not discuss the event, but Arte just appeared at an event with the current POTUS. I’m not sure he cares to shun controversy.

Gorbachav5
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Not a chance. Everything Luhnow said afterward made it clear that he’s only sorry he got caught. He might want to reestablish his career, but I doubt he thinks his reputation is tarnished in the least.

And it’s not even the sign-stealing that I’m referring to. He’s a smart guy, so he wouldn’t get caught doing that again. It’s the absolutely toxic culture he created and fomented that I have no desire for my favorite team to create. I’d rather wallow in mediocrity than allow Luhnow to come in and start hiring misogynistic a-holes simply because they’re smart baseball analysts.

Rahul Setty
Admin
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Gorbachav5

Agree. Wouldn’t be able to stomach a winning Angels squad led by Luhnow. I’d always carry the mental asterisk of knowing what he did in Houston.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Rahul Setty

Sadly the cheating is probably the second worst thing he did: Roberto Osuna.

There are players who would make me turn away from the team as long as they are in uniform. Osuna is one.

PatrickNaN
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Definitely agree.

Mia
Super Member
Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  Gorbachav5

Rec’d

PatrickNaN
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Gorbachav5

Really well said. It’s the toxic culture that is the big problem. In many ways the cheating was (probably) just one of many side effects of that.

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Definitely all of this is true. He’d probably be good for the on-field product.

I just wouldn’t want to do mental contortions to root for this team. It’s hard enough as it is.

eyespy
Super Member
1 year ago

https://sports.yahoo.com/puzzling-lack-direction-angels-owner-031411827.html

Arte has no direction that he wants to take this team. Steady as she goes, on that mediocre line, just making sure not to disrupt his bottom line.

But with COVID-19 going nowhere fast. Arte may just have bite the bullet and spend some serious money to build a winning team that can create interest in his product so he can sell 3Mil again, soon.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  eyespy

Every time I see Bill Shaikin’s name I start singing Eddie Money’s “Shakin'” …

Was a good read but … Does the guy ever post anything positive about the Angels?

Last edited 1 year ago by DowningDude
Mia
Super Member
Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

If they’d give him positive things to write about…

Mia
Super Member
Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  eyespy

I have spent every one of my adult years waiting and hoping for Arte to “spend some serious money”

We can count on him to spend just enough to compete and put butts in seats(in non-COVID times). That’s it.

And I don’t see it changing. The only thing he cares about is his money. He doesn’t care about winning, he only cares about appearing to care about winning, to keep those seats full.

PatrickNaN
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

The off-season prior to 2019 was the year when I really lost faith that we would ever “spend big”.

To me, that was the year when we needed to truly go big if we cared about winning during Trout’s prime and we didn’t.

I’m not calling Arte cheap. He spends about a league average amount given his revenues. But, he certainly wasn’t willing to go that extra mile to make up for past mistakes, really. I don’t think he ever will.

It is what it is. Is definitely his choice and I still root for the team. I just don’t expect much.

Mia
Super Member
Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  PatrickNaN

All he cares about is the superstars. Gotta add as many DINGRZ to the team as possible. Because even if they lose, at least you saw a show. Keeps those long ball digging OC chicks coming back.

Pitching can get f*cked. Imagine an NFL team that just refused to spend on defense.

Last edited 1 year ago by Mia
DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

#BILLBOARDZZZ

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

I honestly think Arte considers himself a “baseball man” who can make that final push to a title himself. How cool would that be, to be the guy who identified and paid for the guy who put you over the top?

Mia
Super Member
Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

He’s a billionaire, of course that’s his mindset.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 year ago

“Dumbo” is not the type of GM to build and reorganize a failing franchise and to move into the winners circle, however he can made a team a winner all the to the top but getting there deplete everybody and you are left with nothing. Either way, roll for the now or build and win longer term works for me, but prefer the build for long term..

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

Why does everyone here call him Dumbo?

He’s a three time AL Champion and has won World Series with two entirely different teams ( different orgs).

Doesn’t seem so dumb to me.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

His last name is domb … I’m guessing but that’s likely it. Like DiPooPoo for DiPoto

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I understand the wordplay off of Dombrowski, but nothing about his record as a GM suggests even slightly that he is dumb. A nickname needs to fit the person or it is nonsensical.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Says who? Are you the nickname police? 😂

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Yes !!! Ha ha.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

😎👍 I agree … It is a DUMB nickname. Get it?

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

While the nickname of “Dumbo” may not be fair or earned as his track record is as a proven winner from 3 franchises shows, l wrongly used it in parentheses so that it was known who l was referring to. As my explanation is rather weak and l will admit my choice of name was improper l will move on.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
1 year ago

According to the article linked above:

The Angels, who have clinched their fifth straight losing season under Billy Eppler, wasting another year of Mike Trout’s prime, still appear the most likely team to dump their GM. They can simply allow Eppler’s contract to expire, then hire a replacement, with Dave Dombrowski continuing to be the most rumored possibility.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member

Well, if it is Dumbo that’s hired – there’s not a farm system for him to deplete.

eyespy
Super Member
1 year ago

I can see you pointing toy our temple. Nice maymay

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

You can say he depletes the Farm but he also wins Championships.

Isn’t the idea to win the World Series?
Don’t know about you but I’d gladly deplete the Farm for 5-6 years if it meant winning a World Series for Trout.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Plus… Our “farm” is already enduring a drought worse than the Dustbowl that dispersed Oklahomans all around the country.

Hard to deplete a farm full of tumbleweeds.

Last edited 1 year ago by DowningDude
JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

True. So let’s go get him.

Gorbachav5
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Why does it make sense to go get a guy whose main demonstrable GM skill (trading away prospects for major league help) would be rendered useless by a lack of prospects?

DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Gorbachav5

Rings

I heard that Dumbo can turn tumbleweeds into rings
(insert Joseph Gordon-Levitt armwaving GIF below)

Last edited 1 year ago by DowningDude
JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Gorbachav5

Well, it would be useless if you assume that his WS series winning teams only won because he traded those prospects. I don’t make that assumption, though trading Moncada for Chris Sale WAS a smart trade. Don’t you agree?

Rahul Setty
Admin
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Boston and Detroit both had above-average farms when he took over. That’s not the case here, and even if he did trade away the pieces in the farm system, it’s unlikely to make much headway with the Angels roster as presently constructed.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Rahul Setty

The other thing you could argue about, or the question you could ask would be “is he a good baseball man who understands winning roster construction?”

I think the answer would be “yes” for Dombrowski. So, even if he doesn’t have the young players to trade he could in theory still put together a winning roster. I feel that he could. Of course it might involve Arte opening the pocketbook again.

But I have no reason to think DD could not be successful here. All that said, that doesn’t necessarily mean that I think he’s the best guy for the job or the only guy for it.

.

Last edited 1 year ago by JackFrost
DowningDude
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I thought DD was DowningDude. Lost a few shades there … MAN I DONT WANT THAT JOB!

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I’m imagining Dombrowski taking over and no one wants any of our prospects 😂

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

I’m imagining him taking over and Arte not giving him the budget he needs.

BruinsAngelsKings
Trusted Member
1 year ago

I don’t know as much about this stuff as the rest of you do.

With that said, isn’t that the real crux of the problem, Arte’s unwillingness to open the checkbook enough to get what is needed? Regardless of who the GM is, if Arte does not commit to increasing payroll, possibly going over the luxury tax threshold, then the discussion is moot, right?

Last edited 1 year ago by BruinsAngelsKings
PatrickNaN
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Sadly true.

Mia
Super Member
Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

We’ve done depleted farm+losing for a long time.

I’d be willing to try depleted farm+winning.

Though i’m not sure it’s possible to do.

Last edited 1 year ago by Mia