LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Taking calls

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Pineapple12

26 minutes ago

BREAKING NEWS
Alek Manoah has been unconditionally released.

Mo had to get that out the way first. Now we can let the firesale commence.

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BannedInLA

14 minutes ago

Reply to Pineapple12

A pivotally important domino has fallen !!!!

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MH252525

6 minutes ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Man he was making me a ton of money from sports betting. I just won $112 on the bees losing last night.

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PedroCerrano

5 minutes ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Dude is a wizard in my opinion. He or his witch of an agent somehow got the Angels to pay him him $1.95mm two years after his career was over.

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MH252525

2 minutes ago

Reply to PedroCerrano

Yea I think most people here including myself were saying he was an NRI that Perry just completely overpaid.

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AngelsFanInHell

1 hour ago

I still don’t believe that a single relevant Halo is going to be traded as long as Arte owns the team.

The Great and Powerful Moz has just shared vague statements and has even said that more gets done in the off-season.

Is everyone just smoking the hopium and praying for change? I don’t get it.

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Turk's Teeth

1 hour ago

Reply to AngelsFanInHell

Given how competitive the market is, you’re not likely to see any meaningful Angels trades before Sunday/Monday anyhow, because they’ll be fielding and evaluating tens of offers before then, so the lack of current action means very little one way or the other.

But you’ve made your POV very clear, several times a day – the Angels aren’t going to do squat. Others here are going to have their fun contemplating alternative futures, and why shouldn’t they?

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TrojanBoiler

49 minutes ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

At the end of the day, because there is a new regime, I will not get pre-upset about something that hasn’t happened yet. Speculating is fun and it’s really all we have right now.

Now, if the trade deadline comes and goes without any action, then I’ll take the toaster into the bathtub

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AngelsFanInHell

40 minutes ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

Thank you. I know everyone here knows more about the inner workings of baseball than me and I continue to learn a lot.

I was getting seriously worried that this place would need to be put on suicide watch if nothing happens.

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PedroCerrano

17 minutes ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

With so many fringy teams still in play and in need of the type of guys we should have available, it should be a strong sellers market. The big question in my mind is just how much other GMs value the Angels potentially available guys. Adell, Neto, Soriano and Detmers all fill needs but none of them come without some serious questions. It’s tough to know how good a guy like Soriano could be given the right mentoring. Overall, I’m still sticking with my plan to manage my expectations and avoid being disapointed.

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2pints

1 hour ago

Reply to AngelsFanInHell

“Is everyone just smoking the hopium and praying for change?”

That’s literally all we have right now.

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Pineapple12

55 minutes ago

Reply to 2pints

Lmaoo 😂😂😂 so true. This is only time all season, along with the draft, where we get to be not miserable

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HalosFanForLife

51 minutes ago

Reply to Pineapple12

To me – it’s fun. I get to pretend to be an exec and come up with scenarios – even though I don’t have a fraction of the data and reporting they have at their fingertips. One day – I’ll be ahead of the curve and nail one and that will really be fun.

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AngelsFanInHell

45 minutes ago

Reply to Pineapple12

See, that makes sense, but everyone seems so serious that changes will be made.

If this is just another way to deal with loss, then I completely understand.

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Turk's Teeth

1 hour ago

What do Angels fans think of this proposal? McGonigle & Neto on the leftside of the Tigers infield. Detroit gets a big prize for their two expiring SPs. Dodgers “win” the trade deadline, as they love to do.

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Pineapple12

1 hour ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

Absolute no-brainer

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Turk's Teeth

1 hour ago

Reply to Pineapple12

People are either going to love or hate this trade, but I felt it was kind of inspired. Angels-Dodgers don’t often deal with each other. This gets the Dodgers everything they want, especially keeping Skubal out of the hands of the Rays and Brewers.

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Pineapple12

1 hour ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

Getting three 50+ grade prospects, while collateral damage hits teams in need of a starter, increasing the value of Detmers and Soriano. This trade would never happen but it’s near perfect

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Turk's Teeth

1 hour ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Yeah, it has all sorts of positive butterfly effects for a complete sell-off. Angels can focus on the infield, rotation and catcher with the Soriano and Detmers packages.

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FungoAle

1 hour ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

Skubie-do!

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 hour ago

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Oooo. Reese Olson. that’d be a pick up, and I’m pretty sure the Tigers are more excited about Jobe/Melton for the future…..

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Turk's Teeth

1 hour ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

With the looming lockout, the Angels would have plenty of time to be patient with the rehab. There’s a potential #2/3 there if it all comes together.

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milehigh

1 hour ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

From the Dodger POV it’s a no-brainer. I don’t know anything about the players the Angels would get. But if I’m the Tigers I’m thinking there is not enough return. I didn’t realize Mize’s contract is also up and is a free agent in 2027 same as Skubal. But I think Mize makes 1/5th the salary of Skubal and maybe the Tigers could pay Mize.

Looking at this another way, if I’m the Tigers would I trade Mize straight up for Neto. I don’t think I would. Or at least I would offer Mize on his own and try to get a high level prospect at least. For me, a 1 for 2 swap would be hard to sell to the fans.

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Turk's Teeth

1 hour ago

Reply to milehigh

Mize has been injured and wasn’t even a trade option until his recent return. He’s a free agent in the offseason. There’s no remote universe where 2 months of Mize = 3+ years of 3-5 WAR annual Neto. That’s like a 12 WAR for 0.5 WAR swap!

It’s been reported that the Detroit have been closely evaluating the SS market. Their prospects are about 2 years out. This is more than what they probably think they could get for two months of Skubal/Mize.

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HalosFanForLife

1 hour ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

That is a fun idea. Not sure the Tigers wouldn’t want more near ready prospects in their deal for Skubal – but it’s definitely intriguing. They definitely are good enough they don’t need to fire sale, and maybe they think they can compete in the next three years. Definitely well thought out though. Fun.

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Turk's Teeth

57 minutes ago

Reply to HalosFanForLife

Given the amount of value that Neto possesses at the moment – probably more than Skubal to various degrees – they could always flip him in a coming offseason for their own haul, if they simply want 3-4 prospects instead.

Neto will have a ton of value in the offseason for whoever holds him. Skubal won’t.

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HalosFanForLife

54 minutes ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

Great point. I always have to keep the trade value in mind – and sometimes think if it’s a fit. He’ll have value for a few years – maybe a little less – but they get good value for now and it’s kind of like a short term option.

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RexFregosi

49 minutes ago

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So all it takes to get for us to get SKUBAL is NETO???

Do it!!!! 😂

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BannedInLA

1 hour ago

I’m beginning to suspect that the trade deadline is going to be far more sizzle than steak. The deadline can’t be over quickly enough for me. The suggested scenarios are mind numbing and none of them will likely come to fruition – assuming we trade these guys at all.

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HalosFanForLife

1 hour ago

Reply to BannedInLA

I think we’ll start seeing movement over the next 48 hours. Maybe not on our side, but today or tomorrow – I predict it’s going to start.

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Pineapple12

1 hour ago

Reply to BannedInLA

I tend to agree that we’re setting ourselves up for a monster buttercup. We need something fun to talk about

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Jeff Joiner

48 minutes ago

Reply to Pineapple12

If you are in Mozeliak’s seat:

Do you really trust the Angels scouting reports on other organization’s prospects?
Do you get the type of offers you expect due to an impending lockout?

If the answer to either or both of those questions is no, you stand pat.

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PedroCerrano

43 minutes ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Not a bad summary.

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Pineapple12

21 minutes ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I would trade Detmers and Soriano regardless. I am deathly afraid of the lockout costing us a year of control with both guys, resulting in their value diminishing significantly.

There are 6-8 teams desperate for starting pitching and we have the guys they will pay up for.

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Roy Hobbs

11 minutes ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I disagree, I believe that considering the lockout and the number of teams in contention, that standing pat will result in a multi year delay at best and a significant lost opportunity at worst because as P12 says, the value of our trade assets will be much less. I also think that, under the circumstances, your 2 points need to be ignored for now and standing pat is not an option. I don’t think standing pat is a choice you can afford even if you’re concerned about the 2 points. You need to make the best of it and move forward.

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RexFregosi

1 hour ago

Reply to BannedInLA

It will even be less than sizzle – there will be minimal turnover and Arte/Mo/Molly/Suzuki/Perry will all be blamed in varying degrees.

Because nobody will know the shet packages offered in return to rip us off 🍿

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Jeff Joiner

49 minutes ago

Reply to BannedInLA

I think there are two distinct possibilities:

The Angels go on a fire sale.
The Angels do essentially nothing.

If they trade any one of Neto, Soriano, or Detmers you have to trade them all. There is no point in doing anything in between.

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TrojanBoiler

47 minutes ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Agree completely. All or nothing baby.

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BannedInLA

16 minutes ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I suspect the latter scenario.

Over the weekend, when the deadline comes and goes, we’ll see a lot of, “we had in depth discussions on multiple players, but in the end, the deals didn’t make sense for the current and long term health of the franchise. We like our players and view them as foundational pieces that we can build around”, blah, blah, blah.

I will be pleased enough if we release Soler and send Lowe back to AAA (assuming he has remaining options).

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Roy Hobbs

4 minutes ago

Reply to BannedInLA

If that’s what actually happens then there was no reason to fire Perry.

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HalosFanForLife

1 hour ago

Something to remember in these trade scenarios. If we lose most or all of the 2027 season – the prospects who have not been up have not started their clocks. If they do as expected, players who have their clocks started will be closer to free agency. So in my opinion, prospects should be given a premium in trades – which likely is not reflected in the trade simulators as it is not the standard algorithm.

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Pineapple12

2 hours ago

Tigers are 3 losses back of WC3 and 6 losses back in their division.

Need the boys to keep grinding over there in Detroit! #Win4Skubal #KeepSkubal

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

59 minutes ago

Reply to Pineapple12

It’s like Ohtani. The Tigers NEED to trade Skubal for all they can get. They can QO Mize if they want. But they are clearly not cruising to a WS here, and getting nothing for Skubal on the off chance of an off chance that you will limp into the play offs and then magic ballz your way to the championship is dumb as fk. They are a young team. They have talent on the farm. They can sign another FA starter. They can be good for a few years to come… or they can try to keep Skubal and look like a team that will “go for it” while the Yankees and Doyers laugh at being able to just pay Skubal instead of give up prospects and then pay Skubal.

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Fansince1971

2 hours ago

The Cardinals were known for developing players. It is a key component of any plan that involves acquiring young talent and molding them into Major Leaguers.

The Angels are the opposite. They are among the worst at developing players. That is one of the reasons why Perry kept drafting college players out of the draft – those guys came “developed” (at least way more so) by their programs as opposed to high schoolers that the Angels would have to develop.

So I cannot help but wonder if Mo has taken stock of this situation. He could trade away everything, end up with a bunch of high level talent and it wouldn’t mean anything in this Org. In the Cardinals Org – those guys would be the key to a long term rebuild. But if the Angels dont meaningfully develop players such that they succeed in the Majors (not in the Minors) then it is a fools errand.

Mo has a big job ahead of him but I hope part of it is the revamping of player development to bring in quality people with a proven track record of taking players from rough but talented to solid Major Leaguers.

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JackFrost

2 hours ago

Reply to Fansince1971

Your first 4 sentences here are right on target Fan. It is not that we need to “trade everyone.” Some of our guys really need to be kept (that would include Soriano ; imagine how good he’d be if he were in the Rays or Cardinals system !). What we need to do is totally revamp the way young players are selected, introduced and developed from Step 1 all the way through their first two to three years in the Bigs. This is the key !

This is also an important concept to grasp, one which I have thought myself many times as people cry for a fire sale :

He could trade away everything, end up with a bunch of high level talent and it wouldn’t mean anything in this system

In fact, that comment is very similar to a couple posts/comments I made yesterday countering the “trade everyone” philosophy….

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Fansince1971

1 hour ago

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Jack – in theory, and in a vacuum, I generally agree. Or if this team was anywhere close. But circumstances affect my ultimate analysis.

As we have seen, this team has been and is going nowhere. It has been going nowhere for a long time. With or without these players like Soriano, Detmers and Neto, this team has not performed and continues in that direction – actually getting worse. We are looking at losing over 100 games this season. The status quo (holding onto assets like Ohtani while trying to “compete”) has not worked. This is absolutely clear.

We are also about to go into a lockout where these players are likely a) not going to play for a full season and b) the team will likely lose a year of control over these players.

Unless we have an owner who is willing to spend on All Star caliber free agents (we don’t), there are so many holes to fill that players like Soriano, Detmers and Neto will continue to be surrounded with below-replacement value players which is a de-motivator (which I think we see in Neto). Without a solid surrounding cast, these guys have not and cannot make that much of a difference in a team sport.

All of these players like Detmers, Soriano and Neto will get more and more expensive. With as many holes as the Angels have it makes no financial sense to continue spending to keep these guys.

This Org needs a reset – a complete change. The stench of the last 12 seasons is not going away by staying put and not making big changes.

A well orchestrated rebuild by a baseball person who knows what they are doing can pay big dividends sooner than you may think. Look at the White Sox. And before that the Orioles and Tigers. The key is it needs to be well orchestrated.

I would prefer to be in a rebuild than continually hearing “compete” and retaining these players and watching the team lose 90+ per season.

Taking all of this into consideration I see trading away all the assets for young talent as the team’s only possible route forward. I agree it’s not ideal and I wish the team was in a different position. But I have concluded it is the only shot the team/Org has and it’s a Hail Mary.

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JackFrost

1 hour ago

Reply to Fansince1971

Well, this comment kind of goes against the first post you made up above… But you make some good points here too… Certainly the lockout likely represents losing a prime year of Soriano and Detmers etc… Actually, I amend that comment, since if the guys are not playing they are not getting “wear and tear” on their bodies, so you are not really “losing” anything there…

I would add, if Arte loosens the purse strings maybe Moz decides to extend Soriano ? If I were him and it was feasible I would do it ! So, I don’t think we have to trade Jose necessarily…

But IF Moz decides to really give up on the idea of being good in 2028 or 2029 then your plan makes sense… but there is more than one way to skin a cat…. I mean, maybe in the real marketplace Moz does trade Neto and does trade Detmers but the offers for Soriano are just not fair or reasonable…. Should he allow a rival GM to screw him and trade him anyway ? I say no. You still have to make “good” trades…. Typically, if someone has value; say Neto, who still has three years of team control, then you SHOULD be able to get value back…. That means highly rated minor leaguers, if not proven MLB talent plus moderate to high unprovens… My point is, you can’t just give away a young stud like Soriano for cheap… of course teams are not gonna want to give you their Top 1-2 prospects… but if they don’t you have to play hardball and being willing to say “Sorry, no deal.”

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Fansince1971

54 minutes ago

Reply to JackFrost

As for the comment that two posts conflict, I am able to hold two divergent thoughts at the same time and feel comfortable with it. The first thought is that the Angels lack good player development and that I hope Mo improves that. My second thought is that under the circumstances, I think there is no choice but to clean house, even though it is not ideal. It is a Hail Mary.

Most true rebuilds have a five-year window in mind. So the target would be something like 2031. With that type of timeframe, the players you are concerned about are meaningless to this team. In that timeframe, none of them are likely to be on this team anyway as they would leave as free agents. I see nothing to suggest Arte would open up the pocket book to keep these players.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

36 minutes ago

Reply to JackFrost

I like how we’re talking about Soriano like he’s The Miz here. He’s not so good that it would blow my mind if he got traded. And no. No one is giving us a #1-2 prospect for him.

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PedroCerrano

1 hour ago

Reply to Fansince1971

I agree with 71. History is littered with failed businesses that built a great product but didn’t know how operate. The Angels have many flaws, but the most glairing is probably in their failure to develop talent. Good organizations have a plan and methodology that they stick to by consistently executing on it. Drafting or aquiring talented people is only the start.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

31 minutes ago

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I’d have to say, their most glaring flaw has been not figuring out how to appease the spirits in the Indian Burial Ground they call home and shower off their piss bitch fan juju.

Take a look at ALL of the FA’s or trade and resign guys like Upton they have paid for. Not just the big contracts, all sizes. How many of those guys didn’t just completely fall apart? You’d think SOMEONE we signed as a big free agent or extension would work out OK, but no, Not even Trout.

That’s some serious angry ghost shit.

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PedroCerrano

14 minutes ago

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😅 They did win their only World Series the year after having the stadium cleansed.

“THEY MOVED THE HEADSTONES BUT LEFT THE BODIES!”

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HalosFanForLife

1 hour ago

Reply to JackFrost

I agree – but hopefully the prospects have been given the guidance to get them on the right track. We definitely need a development overhaul. Big time.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

52 minutes ago

Reply to JackFrost

We need to trade everyone and ramp up a development program. Needing a development program doesn’t have anything to do with how bad an idea it is to keep our tradable assets.

It’s the like me saying “We need to keep our good players because if I have no one to watch this August we will look lame and free agents won’t sign here. Next thing you know, kids won’t sign when we draft them!” It’s mostly poppycock.

Or, “Why do we need a better development program? We don’t have any prospects. Keep our “stars” and sign more!” – Arte

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TrojanBoiler

1 hour ago

Reply to Fansince1971

Given that our first round pick was a HS player, I doubt Mo is viewing younger prospects as a lost cause in this organization.

But I agree that hopefully this is a sign that he simultaneously plans to address the lack of player development (assuming he sticks around long term)

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Fansince1971

1 hour ago

Reply to TrojanBoiler

Yes, my optimistic viewpoint is that his drafting a high school player with the first pick is a sign that he plans to reorganize and improve the player development part of the Org. My skeptical side is wait-and-see.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

56 minutes ago

Reply to Fansince1971

Yup. Soon as they made that pick I thought “I only 50% care if this kid busts if it means that this pick motivates the Angels to start a good development system.”

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Jeff Joiner

44 minutes ago

Reply to Fansince1971

When I was looking into people from the Cardinals organization he might poach, I noticed they lost a key development guy. Mo then took a key development guy away from Cleveland to replace him and the Cardinals did not miss a beat.

That is a long setup to say I am very, very interested in seeing who Mo brings in to that capacity and what resources Arte allocates towards development.

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TrojanBoiler

2 hours ago

Did we trade anyone yet?

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Jeff Joiner

3 hours ago

Went to the game last night with my family. My son liked watching the pregame lion dance and we got our mid game ice cream.

I had a perfect view into Arte’s suite. He wasn’t there. Molly and another other person were. She had a great view of the tarps off guys, who provided more entertainment than the team.

**edited this comment. One other person was in the suite, not me other person. I definitely am not in the owners suite ever.

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RexFregosi

3 hours ago

Moe’s Tavern – nice!

Do we have Mike Crotch available?

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3 hours ago

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I think I’ll order a “Flaming Moe”.

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Pineapple12

4 hours ago

128 hours until the deadline. It’s the waiting and anticipation that’s the killer.

Sayonara Detmers, Soriano, Neto, Adell, Zeferjahn 😇❤️

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TrojanBoiler

1 hour ago

Reply to Pineapple12

🎵 Why do you build me up 🎵

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Terry

4 hours ago

Angels relief pitching:

The Angels have 13 saves on the season. (Note, the least amount of saves by a team in a full season is the Red Sox in 1987 with 16).
Since Jordan Romano was released on April 27th, when he had four saves and two blown saves (the two during the Yankees series in NY), the team has only added 9 saves in 3 months. Since Aprl 27th, there have been the 9 saves, and 17 (!!) Blown saves. Thus, the team save rate is only slightly better than 33%.
If the save rate had been a reasonable 66.6%, that would have added 8 o 9 more wins.
Despite the poor defense, the abysmal performance of Soler, Lowe, Moncada, O’Hoppe, and the injury to Kikuchi, the team would still have a reasonable chance of a wild card slot, or at least a .500 season.

For whatever reason, Romano has been great with the Rockies, 7 games, 6 finished 4 saves in 4 save opportunities, 1.35 era.

It’s a long way since
Rodriquez had 62 saves for the Halos in 2008.

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FungoAle

2 hours ago

Reply to Terry

Being a bad team with having a few opportunities leading in the 9th inning, that stat is not not that alarming. Good example why bad teams should not have expensive closers.

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Terry

2 hours ago

Reply to FungoAle

The Angels have had 26 save opportunities since releasing Romano, more than some “good” teams. A stud closer probably could have saved at least 20 of those 26 save opportunities. That would mean a record of 53-55 right now. Right in the thick of the division winning race.

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FungoAle

1 hour ago

Reply to Terry

This team as constructed will never be in the thick of it and I know you know that.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

20 minutes ago

Reply to Terry

If I’d have been three inches taller with a healthier rotator cuff I’d be relaxing having finished off my MLB pitching career a while back.

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17 minutes ago

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“How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a ~~football~~ baseball over them mountains?” – Uncle ~~Rico~~ Gitch

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 minutes ago

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at this point it’s “I bet you maybe I can throw a baseball.”

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JackFrost

1 hour ago

Reply to FungoAle

A big reason why bad teams are bad is that they cannot close games out in the 8th and 9th inning!

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FungoAle

1 hour ago

Reply to JackFrost

Agree with that but pinning Angel failures on the lack of a Closer is a small part of the overall teams faults. Angels need an affordable, home grown Closer to step up vs investing in an expensive one. If we had Mason Miller, do you believe we would be serious post season players? I’m not talking about backing into the final WC spot. I’m talking about competing for the pennant. If it is the former, that is a waste. Better to spend dollars to enhance the other positions, first.

Speaking of cheap home grown, look at the Indians, Cade Smith. MLB leader in saves. Closers come and Closers go.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

22 minutes ago

Reply to FungoAle

Es verdad. If you suck, you let guys try to become closers. If you’re good, you buy a Game 7 level closer. Paying a bunch of money to close out your 79th win of the season is stupid.

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TrojanBoiler

55 minutes ago

Reply to Terry

I have been struggling to understand the math.

The stat that everyone was saying a couple days ago was that we had just lost our 9th game when leading after 8 innings. But we have 19 total blown saves.

Is that because we’ve managed to go on and win 10 of those games after blowing the save because we didn’t lose it outright and managed to win in the bottom of the ninth or in extras?

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Jeff Joiner

42 minutes ago

Reply to TrojanBoiler

You can blow a save prior to the 9th inning. A guy pitching in the 8th inning with a 3 run or less lead can close out the game and earn a save.

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Kevin

4 hours ago

Thanks for the graphic. Both Minasian teams are well below the line. As to other notes, while Tampa and Milwaukee are great outliers, until they make a World Series in this era it doesn’t matter much. The Halos should perhaps hire someone from the FO from those teams though.

Change is needed to present the Dodgers from doing what they have done. Signing multiple league MVPs in free agency does wonders for your consistency. You of course need quality pitching to go with it which they had.

As the Halos don’t have a true closer and went out of their way not to pay for one, are we supposed to be surprised when they lose these tight games in the ninth? Wasn’t that part of the equation via Perry’s moves?

Well, let’s see what they do in the next week. Keep in mind to make trades you need good offers made to you.

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Terry

4 hours ago

Reply to Kevin

Minisian got burned in the Stepenson singing, 3 years/$33 million. And the all pitcher draft class hasn’t produced much. And Jansen headed for Detroit. So he went the patchwork route, and overpaid for veteran stopgaps, which has been a bust, and essentially sealed his fate as the GM. And teams destiny this year.
It’s fascinating how a franchise like Tampa Bay can continually produce winning teams, on a modest budget.
I think the trade the Halos should make with the Rays is front offices.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

10 minutes ago

Reply to Kevin

The Angels need to engage in some Title Bullshit. Firstly, because the dimmer bulbs on this site will love finally being able to say they have a POBO. But more importantly, so we can raid the Brewers or Rays. If Mo becomes a POBOPPOHNO and spends one day a week in the office it’s Ok because it opens up a GM slot below him. Which creates a upward move for an assistant GM in the Brewers, Doyers, Rays etc front office and teams can’t block that.

Then just let new GM run everything for a few years, Mo retires for real, move the GM to fake title. Hire new GM. Repeat.

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HalosFanForLife

4 hours ago

Rumors starting that the Rays are buyers and interested in Neto. Here’s an idea if they really want to go all in.

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Fansince1971

3 hours ago

Reply to HalosFanForLife

Nice idea but never, ever, NEVER trade with the Rays. They always come out the better in deals. Even if it doesn’t look that way at first.

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RexFregosi

3 hours ago

Reply to Fansince1971

That’s what I said for the Ohtani – Caminero deal 😉

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Fansince1971

3 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Well, if I remember correctly, you were actually the one convinced that Ohtani was going to continue to be an Angel. I think you were actually providing dates by which the signing would happen. 🤣

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HalosFanForLife

1 hour ago

Reply to Fansince1971

They do seem to win most trades. LOL

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Jeff Joiner

3 hours ago

Reply to HalosFanForLife

Awesome idea. I published a Neto to TB piece this morning.

Bodine and Forret were on m list.

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JackFrost

3 hours ago

Reply to HalosFanForLife

This one trade here is proof positive that the Trade Simulator is total bullshit and should never be relied on as an indicator of what trades are logical and/or fair. Two of these dudes are not even in the Top 100 Rankings !! Only guy worth giving anyone good up for would be Theo Gillen. No way shape or form Soriano should be included here !! Maybe I would consider a two for one taking Gillen if you included a Nick Martinez in the trade for Soriano…

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Pineapple12

2 hours ago

Reply to JackFrost

TB wouldn’t trade Martinez. He is a FA after the season and that is no use to us

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JackFrost

2 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

That was just an example of the “kind” of SP talent you’d need to get back for Soriano… It could have been another dude from another org, the point is that you have to get another top of the rotation stud, or a stud position player… He is kind of old at 34, but if you gave my Yandy Diaz and a young stud pitcher I might consider it etc … I need somebody proven back in return…

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

31 seconds ago

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Are you sure you don’t just want to hold onto players “cause mah reazons!”? Nobody makes the trades you seem to always demand, where we get an All-Star position player and a stud controllable pitcher. Sure, it may work out that way months or years later, but why is a contender making a deadline deal and giving up solid MLB roster players? And who gives up the “proven player” in trades for another proven player these days unless it’s a very old proven player? It hardly happens now because it’s not 1986.

I think you know that. I think you make these suggestions rather than just saying you want to hold onto the players we have and Arte should go buy more players to hold onto.

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HalosFanForLife

2 hours ago

Reply to JackFrost

Bodine is crushing the ball. Top 100 can also be off. He’s a 22 year old catcher that is raking. He could be up in a year or 2028. Huge upside. This is especially important if they go to all ABS – which I expect they will.

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JackFrost

2 hours ago

Reply to HalosFanForLife

So what ? He’s raking in AA …. Doesn’t mean shit. Remember how we all were talking up Quero and how good he was gonna be ? How is he doing now ?

The point is, the production in the minors doesn’t mean shit until you PROVE yourself at the MLB LEVEL ! This is why I almost always ask for proven MLB talent in a trade for our proven guys….

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HalosFanForLife

2 hours ago

Reply to JackFrost

They’re all posting numbers. That’s what you bet on. Does it always work out? No. But to not think there isn’t valuable equity in a deal like this is warped logic. Gillen has gotten comps of PCA, Bryce Turang and Corbin Carrol. We’re losing all these guys without overpaying in a few years. We won’t be ready in a few years. These guys all look like future contributors.

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JackFrost

2 hours ago

Reply to HalosFanForLife

You are just assuming “we won’t be ready in a few years.” What is a few years ? Three years, four years ? I think we could look very different as an org in 2 years if Arte decides to really step back (I do have my doubts about this…). If Moz is truly given the reins and some financial wherewithal I could easily see us competing for the division in 3 or even in 2 years, especially if we keep Soriano and Detmers… Talent wise we are not far away… as I have pointed out yesterday and today elsewhere in this thread, it is the other things, the logistical and infrastructural things that need to be revamped much more than the talent, though a talent upgrade in the minors is also needed…

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HalosFanForLife

1 hour ago

Reply to JackFrost

Free agent buys are not a bargain. If they go free agent and we want them – we can go get them at the market rate we’d have to pay anyways and now we have players to go with them. These guys are likely up between late 2027 to 2029.

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PedroCerrano

1 hour ago

Reply to JackFrost

I think this team is way shorter on talent than any of us want to believe. The next time you watch a game, freeze the screen when they show the line ups and give a point for each position the Angels have a better player at.The Angels routinely have 1 or 2 points by my count. The competition also typically has way more depth on the bench and in the bullpen.

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JackFrost

1 hour ago

Reply to PedroCerrano

A big part of the problem is that idiot Suzuki is sitting Meckler and Siri while playing guys like Lowe and Soler ! If the best guys actually get put in the lineup this would not be the case…

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Pineapple12

1 hour ago

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Meckler and Siri are AAAA players having a little success. I could help your argument that this team has some talent but we aren’t 42-66 by accident. The roster is bad.

Frosty, you and I are more optimistic than most but it’s time to admit defeat.

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PedroCerrano

1 hour ago

Reply to JackFrost

I agree with you on the line up construction often being a head scratcher. It still doesn’t result in our guys being more talented than theirs.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

7 minutes ago

Reply to JackFrost

Yes. The computer system is the one that is bullshit here. Clearly.

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FungoAle

2 hours ago

Reply to HalosFanForLife

To maximize return, Halos should avoid lumping any of the Neto/Detmers/Soriano trio together in a deal

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Pineapple12

2 hours ago

Reply to FungoAle

Agreed. I think tossing Zef in with one of them would be a smart move tho

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FungoAle

2 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Yes, and any of the other assets. Might even lump Adell with any of those guys. Ideally, 3 separate trades to off-load the trio, scooping up some Top 5 assets from each club. Something like that.

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HalosFanForLife

2 hours ago

Reply to FungoAle

I actually agree that it’s usually better to do one off deals – and I’d try to get even more – I started with Neto for Gillen – and realized that on paper doesn’t work. Hence -I tried – let’s throw in another trade target – and saw Bodine out there who I knew was getting some accolades. Then I looked into Forret – and said – here’s three guys that look like they will be contributors.

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steelgolf

5 hours ago

TANKS-A-LOT 2026 ANGELS !!!!!!

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Pineapple12

3 hours ago

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I thought you’d specifically get a kick out of this

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