LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Taking calls

Morning Angels fans. Have some links.

Angels News

Angels lost again. Very pathetic.

Teams are asking for Angels players, but that now includes the Rays. Rays typically do not buy, even though they make the playoffs constantly.

Around Baseball

What teams are good at turning money into wins? Not the Angels, and they re now slightly below average in payroll?

Being in the bad quadrant always sucks

As you can see, competitive balance isn’t just about money, which is not doing well for MLB’s argument about needing a cap. Although it would help even more if a team like the Rays or Brewers won the WS.

Some MLB owners expecting the 2027 season to not happen at all. So enjoy this one while you can, even if it makes you sad.

Non sports injuries are really sad, in a pathetic way. But at least a scooter isn’t the worst way to injure yourself.

Sports injuries though are less embarrassing. Like Mead going on the IIL for a fractured wrist.

While ads suck, sometimes they have a sense of humor. Like a rain delay being sponsored by Ark Encounter.

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes!

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Roy Hobbs
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13 days ago

O’hoppe and Silseth got traded to Texas. It’s started.

bobblanton
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I don’t think they got enough for them.

JackFrost
Legend
13 days ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Indeed. They did not.

They did jettison O’hoppe, but I think we needed to get more than a 19 yr old ss who doesn’t rank in the Rangers system.

Sad.

Last edited 13 days ago by JackFrost
Fansince1971
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13 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Maybe the good news is that they targeted a 19 year old which may mean Mo intends to improve the player development.

Kevin
Trusted Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Yes and for those wanting all of the trades, here is a summary: Two major leaguers just yielded a 19 years old single A shortstop who apparently isn’t among the top 30 prospects for the Rangers. Hence, this appears to be less of a trade than a salary dump. Ick.

If the other deals are like this, the Angels will win 50 games next year and still be 2-3 years from .500.

Fansince1971
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13 days ago
Reply to  Kevin

If this is a “salary dump” then the finances are really in question. Total salary for these two players is around $3 million.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Kevin

It’s an addition by subtraction move. Ohoppe had a negative war and has been one of the worst baseball players playing the last few years.

FungoAle
Legend
13 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

O’Hoppe became bad, very bad. A true disappointment to me after a promising start with the Angels.

Fansince1971
Legend
13 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Yes. There was a time where we thought the Angels won that trade.

Turk's Teeth
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13 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

What a deeply strange trade. While O’Hoppe and Silseth are very flawed players, Arredondo is a very deep cut in the Rangers’ system – not on any of their top prospect lists anywhere. Surprised they had to add Silseth to get him.

Healthy contact rates for a young A-ball utility type, but far away from the show, to be certain.

Pineapple12
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13 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Silseth is out of options, so maybe the bet is he turns into pumpkin. I like Silseth and doubt that happens fwiw.

Moz likes the Angel kid

Just talked to John Mozeliak. He thinks Arredondo is better than the publications have rated him. He says he should be in the Angels top 10 prospects.

https://x.com/i/status/2082644650121380135

Turk's Teeth
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13 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s quite a leap of faith, but they should have gotten more for Silseth.

Yes, he walks too many, and has surrendered a lot of inherited runners this season, but he has a 3.42 FIP, high K rates, and 4+ years of control.

Pretty clear a catcher is coming in the next few days….

JackFrost
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13 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Moz really places alot of value on the catcher… and especially the relationship between the catcher and pitcher/s. This shows me he knows his stuff. It also shows that he didn’t think much of O’Hoppe from a game calling or chemistry with pitcher perspective…

It will be interesting to see what young catcher he brings in.

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Turk's Teeth
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13 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I have no issues with cutting O’Hoppe loose – they’ve probably been shopping him and have found that few want to take him.

But there are a lot of teams seeking late relievers at the moment, so this feels like a light return for 4 yrs of Silseth.

JackFrost
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13 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Totally agree. Silseth was not a bad reliever. Even if you don’t see him as closer material he is certainly more than serviceable as a 7th or 8th inning situational guy.

Kevin
Trusted Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Plainly this is also based on the notion that Silseth and O’Hoppe are not in the Angels future and avoiding paying them next year while opening roster spots. But still it doesn’t look like a terrific move. And I agree with a comment above that the Marsh trade — which seemed unfavorable — now only looks worse.

Pineapple12
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13 days ago

According to multiple sources, Angels interim general manager John Mozeliak is “willing to discuss” more than just players on expiring contracts, with shortstop Zach Neto and starting pitchers Reid Detmers and José Soriano potentially in play to be traded.

One source said the Angels are “collecting information” on the potential return for each of the three players, and while it’s far from a certainty that Mozeliak will trade any of the trio, the fact that he appears open to such a scenario is notable.

Los Angeles has some expiring contracts to deal; OF/DH Jorge Soler and relievers Kirby Yates and Brent Suter all figure to be moved by Monday. Detmers and Soriano – who are each under club control through 2028 – would be valued by a number of contenders, as would Neto, who has three more years of arbitration-eligibility. Outfielder Jo Adell is arbitration-eligible for the final time next winter.

“I don’t know what Mo is going to be allowed to do,” an NL executive said.

The Angels’ farm system ranked No. 28 in MLB Pipeline’s preseason organizational rankings, with only one player (RHP Tyler Bremner, No. 42) represented on the current Top 100 prospect list. Trading some of the controllable players would help restock the system, giving the next GM – whoever that may be – a foundation from which to build.

“If they trade Detmers, Soriano and Neto, they can probably fill up half of their top-20 [prospect list],” an AL executive said. “Will they do it? Who knows?”

https://www.mlb.com/news/angels-trade-deadline-rumors-zach-neto-reid-detmers

Pineapple12
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13 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s happening

Pineapple12
Legend
13 days ago

The Angels started the day on June 20 with a 4.83 bullpen ERA, the sixth-worst in baseball.

Angels bullpen ranks since:

3.27 ERA (8th)
2.86 FIP (1st)
2.71 SIERA (1st)
31.5 K% (1st)
7.4 BB% (6th)
24.1 K-BB% (1st)
.214 AVG (6th)

https://x.com/i/status/2082598187853058389

Terry
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Your stats are exactly correct, and makes an argument to not trade any of the BP pitchers. Other than releasing Yates. Why not keep all these young, well performing arms? Trading away Brock Burke was a big mistake, for example.

Fansince1971
Legend
13 days ago
Reply to  Terry

I somewhat guarantee no contending team wants anything to do with the Angels ‘pen

Pineapple12
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13 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Zeferjahn would be welcomed by every single contender.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Terry

I don’t understand why people keep asking for the release of Yates. He has been extremely solid. He just shouldn’t be closing because he has underperformed in high leverage spots.

He has a 3.55 ERA, 3.39 FIP, 117 ERA+, 11.4 K/9

If you’re trying to win games, you’re better off with Yates than you are with Farris, Fermin, Suter, Saucedo, etc.

Terry
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

I said release Yates because this season is already a goner. 54 games remaining, time to get the youngsters more experience, as opposed to 39 year old Yates. Release him and let another team pay some of the remainder of the season. Or trade him.

Pineapple12
Legend
13 days ago
Reply to  Terry

I’m not gonna throw a fit about going into 2027 (or 2028) with a bullpen of Zef, Joyce, Silseth, Bachman, Fermin, Natera. We should still trade Zef tho

Terry
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Keep the young arms. And augment with more young arms. Enough of buying retread relievers on the spot market.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Terry

One can be sent off for another position of need with Joyce returning

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
13 days ago

with Joyce’s injury history his return should be considered temporary

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Thank you Kirby yates 👏

Terry
Super Member
13 days ago

Maybe, just maybe teams are not so trot on Neto because he leads the universe in strikeouts, 148 k’s vs 48 walks. His obp is .325, batting lead off. He gets thrown out trying to steal nearly 50% of the attempts. His defense is a negative.
I know I know, he has a 2.9 WAR.

GonFishin
Trusted Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Terry

Counter point, he’s 25, has 3 years of control, and proven to be a 5ish WAR player that still has upside.

If I was an opposing GM interested GM, I would lay out all those things you said, but in my head, know a lot of his issues can be fixed simply by having better coaches and better culture.

FungoAle
Legend
13 days ago
Reply to  GonFishin

Zach seems like a good candidate for a position change, to 3rd base. Hs the arm and with the death of 3rd basemen, he should have suitors.

Fansince1971
Legend
13 days ago
Reply to  Terry

Nothing is likely to get done until the last day. I wouldn’t make anything of his not yet being traded.

Jeff Joiner
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13 days ago
Reply to  Terry

He should not be batting leadoff and he seems to be hot dogging it at the plate. He swings for the fences and nothing else.

He wasn’t always that way. I think if he was in the 6 hole on a winning team with a manager who had standards, he could remember how to hit line drives.

Terry
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Terry

I agree. Thus, this is an accurate description of a player not being a team player. Ergo, likely decreases his trade value.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Terry

Based off one year he isn’t a team player? That’s just crazy fan talk

AngelsFanInHell
Super Member
13 days ago

Tyler Bremner, George Klassen, Joswa Lugo and Nelson Rada could be used as trade chips to get the Halos the players they need to make the postseason.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
13 days ago

NOT funny

AngelsFanInHell
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

yes-grin
Roy Hobbs
Super Member
14 days ago

Good job on the links today John Henry.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
13 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Seconded.

Texan44
Trusted Member
14 days ago

As some one noted, now is when your “organizational depth” comes into play. You better have scouts at every minor league game to see what you might want in return. If the Angels skimped on scouts, they will be flying blind now when they need solid info on other teams prospects.

Pineapple12
Legend
14 days ago

Philly’s bullpen blows another game. Is that Zeferjahn + Adell music I hear in the city of brotherly love?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

I’m pickin up what you’re putting down

Terry
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Z

Terry
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Terry

Zegerjahn isn’t even the closer on the one of the worst mlb bullpens in many years.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Terry

That’s more on our idiot manager than it is on ZJ.

Since the start of June he’s posted these numbers:
24.1 innings, 40 K (!!), 10 H, 14 BB, 0.99 WHIP, 1.48 ERA

He has been the best reliever on this team by far, other than maybe Natera. 41% strikeout rate is insane.

Pineapple12
Legend
13 days ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Thanks bro, I didn’t feel like pulling the numbers. Add in 4 years of control and we have another pricey asset for teams in need of bullpen assistance

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I actually think we should keep him around. 4 years of control is a LOT and he might just be starting to turn into a legit high leverage reliever.

Pineapple12
Legend
13 days ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Which is totally fair. I’m of the mindset that you should always cash in on relievers if another team is willing to pay. They’re volatile and you never know when regression is around the corner.

Last edited 13 days ago by Pineapple12
TrojanBoiler
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I mean I would be happy if we trade anyone on this team for the right price. You make a good point about selling high.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

I’m for trading everyone on the roster but Urena and Guzman.

Pineapple12
Legend
14 days ago

BREAKING NEWS
Alek Manoah has been unconditionally released.

Mo had to get that out the way first. Now we can let the firesale commence.

Last edited 14 days ago by Pineapple12
BannedInLA
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14 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

A pivotally important domino has fallen !!!!

MH252525
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Man he was making me a ton of money from sports betting. I just won $112 on the bees losing last night.

Pineapple12
Legend
14 days ago
Reply to  MH252525

When you’re betting on minor league baseball it might be time to call the number lol

MH252525
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

If you know baseball, betting on minor league baseball is exactly where you should be betting because the odds are more likely to be off. I got the Brewer’s throwing a pitcher with an ERA of under 4 in the PCL vs Manoah who was on the verge of being released at -120. Had you seen how bad Manoah had been? That was easy money.

Pineapple12
Legend
14 days ago
Reply to  MH252525

I’m just kidding. As an actual recovered gambling addict, my problem was throwing money at Saudi Arabian and Filipino basketball 😂

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
14 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

the number that is written by the bank of ATMs you use to drain your kid’s college fund?

PedroCerrano
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Dude is a wizard in my opinion. He or his witch of an agent somehow got the Angels to pay him him $1.95mm two years after his career was over.

MH252525
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Yea I think most people here including myself were saying he was an NRI that Perry just completely overpaid.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  MH252525

More like a DNR

steelgolf
Legend
14 days ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

What does that make Robert Stephenson’s agent?

bobblanton
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Who

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

A top prospect. I was hoping we could move him for some proven major league talent.

FungoAle
Legend
14 days ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Could have packaged him with Soler

AngelsFanInHell
Super Member
14 days ago

I still don’t believe that a single relevant Halo is going to be traded as long as Arte owns the team.

The Great and Powerful Moz has just shared vague statements and has even said that more gets done in the off-season.

Is everyone just smoking the hopium and praying for change? I don’t get it.

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
14 days ago

Given how competitive the market is, you’re not likely to see any meaningful Angels trades before Sunday/Monday anyhow, because they’ll be fielding and evaluating tens of offers before then, so the lack of current action means very little one way or the other.

But you’ve made your POV very clear, several times a day – the Angels aren’t going to do squat. Others here are going to have their fun contemplating alternative futures, and why shouldn’t they?

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

At the end of the day, because there is a new regime, I will not get pre-upset about something that hasn’t happened yet. Speculating is fun and it’s really all we have right now.

Now, if the trade deadline comes and goes without any action, then I’ll take the toaster into the bathtub

AngelsFanInHell
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Thank you. I know everyone here knows more about the inner workings of baseball than me and I continue to learn a lot.

I was getting seriously worried that this place would need to be put on suicide watch if nothing happens.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

With so many fringy teams still in play and in need of the type of guys we should have available, it should be a strong sellers market. The big question in my mind is just how much other GMs value the Angels potentially available guys. Adell, Neto, Soriano and Detmers all fill needs but none of them come without some serious questions. It’s tough to know how good a guy like Soriano could be given the right mentoring. Overall, I’m still sticking with my plan to manage my expectations and avoid being disapointed.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I’m actually gonna be surprised if NO ONE moves. I think the Molly/Mo “things are changing” theme requires SOMETHING to happen so they’ll do SOMETHING. The question is, how much something?

MH252525
Super Member
14 days ago

exactly one thing I’ve learned from my 20+ years as a teacher is that when a new admin comes in they only thing they can’t do is do anything close to what the previous admin did. If they do that, then they are in a no win situation. If things get better and you can’t point to the changes you made then that just makes the previous admin look good.
The Angels will make trades this deadline exactly because it is the opposite of what Perry used to do.

Texan44
Trusted Member
14 days ago
Reply to  MH252525

A half century ago, my late Dad was a baseball fan. His quote on regime change was “A new broom always sweeps clean.”

MH252525
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Texan44

i’m going to start using that one, it’s great

2pints
Super Member
14 days ago

“Is everyone just smoking the hopium and praying for change?”

That’s literally all we have right now.

Pineapple12
Legend
14 days ago
Reply to  2pints

Lmaoo 😂😂😂 so true. This is only time all season, along with the draft, where we get to be not miserable

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

To me – it’s fun. I get to pretend to be an exec and come up with scenarios – even though I don’t have a fraction of the data and reporting they have at their fingertips. One day – I’ll be ahead of the curve and nail one and that will really be fun.

AngelsFanInHell
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

See, that makes sense, but everyone seems so serious that changes will be made.

If this is just another way to deal with loss, then I completely understand.

Last edited 14 days ago by AngelsFanInHell
Jeff Joiner
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14 days ago
Reply to  2pints

I prefer my hopium in gummy form, but yes.

2pints
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

too many bad experiences with edibles, so I prefer to get my hopium fix the old fashion way.

Jim Atkins
Super Member
13 days ago

Great and Powerful Moz is a killer nickname!

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
14 days ago

What do Angels fans think of this proposal? McGonigle & Neto on the leftside of the Tigers infield. Detroit gets a big prize for their two expiring SPs. Dodgers “win” the trade deadline, as they love to do.

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Pineapple12
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14 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Absolute no-brainer

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
14 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

People are either going to love or hate this trade, but I felt it was kind of inspired. Angels-Dodgers don’t often deal with each other. This gets the Dodgers everything they want, especially keeping Skubal out of the hands of the Rays and Brewers.

Pineapple12
Legend
14 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Getting three 50+ grade prospects, while collateral damage hits teams in need of a starter, increasing the value of Detmers and Soriano. This trade would never happen but it’s near perfect

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
14 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Yeah, it has all sorts of positive butterfly effects for a complete sell-off. Angels can focus on the infield, rotation and catcher with the Soriano and Detmers packages.

FungoAle
Legend
14 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Skubie-do!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Oooo. Reese Olson. that’d be a pick up, and I’m pretty sure the Tigers are more excited about Jobe/Melton for the future…..

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
14 days ago

With the looming lockout, the Angels would have plenty of time to be patient with the rehab. There’s a potential #2/3 there if it all comes together.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Just keep piling up 50 grade pitchers. Many will fail, or become pen arms, but if we can get three to work out that’s five years of good stuff.

milehigh
Trusted Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

From the Dodger POV it’s a no-brainer. I don’t know anything about the players the Angels would get. But if I’m the Tigers I’m thinking there is not enough return. I didn’t realize Mize’s contract is also up and is a free agent in 2027 same as Skubal. But I think Mize makes 1/5th the salary of Skubal and maybe the Tigers could pay Mize.

Looking at this another way, if I’m the Tigers would I trade Mize straight up for Neto. I don’t think I would. Or at least I would offer Mize on his own and try to get a high level prospect at least. For me, a 1 for 2 swap would be hard to sell to the fans.

Turk's Teeth
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14 days ago
Reply to  milehigh

Mize has been injured and wasn’t even a trade option until his recent return. He’s a free agent in the offseason. There’s no remote universe where 2 months of Mize = 3+ years of 3-5 WAR annual Neto. That’s like a 12 WAR for 0.5 WAR swap!

It’s been reported that the Detroit have been closely evaluating the SS market. Their prospects are about 2 years out. This is more than what they probably think they could get for two months of Skubal/Mize.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

That is a fun idea. Not sure the Tigers wouldn’t want more near ready prospects in their deal for Skubal – but it’s definitely intriguing. They definitely are good enough they don’t need to fire sale, and maybe they think they can compete in the next three years. Definitely well thought out though. Fun.

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
14 days ago

Given the amount of value that Neto possesses at the moment – probably more than Skubal to various degrees – they could always flip him in a coming offseason for their own haul, if they simply want 3-4 prospects instead.

Neto will have a ton of value in the offseason for whoever holds him. Skubal won’t.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Great point. I always have to keep the trade value in mind – and sometimes think if it’s a fit. He’ll have value for a few years – maybe a little less – but they get good value for now and it’s kind of like a short term option.

Turk's Teeth
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14 days ago

Yeah, if I’m Detroit, I’m looking at Neto as a stable value stock – one that will have a broader, more diverse market in the off-season than the 3-5 teams willing to play at the top of the market for Skubal this week. After the WS, all of the 2026 draftees will enter the trade market as well, so prospect shopping will be more robust.

RexFregosi
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14 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

So all it takes to get for us to get SKUBAL is NETO???

Do it!!!! 😂

BannedInLA
Legend
14 days ago

I’m beginning to suspect that the trade deadline is going to be far more sizzle than steak. The deadline can’t be over quickly enough for me. The suggested scenarios are mind numbing and none of them will likely come to fruition – assuming we trade these guys at all.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I think we’ll start seeing movement over the next 48 hours. Maybe not on our side, but today or tomorrow – I predict it’s going to start.

Pineapple12
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14 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I tend to agree that we’re setting ourselves up for a monster buttercup. We need something fun to talk about

Jeff Joiner
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14 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

If you are in Mozeliak’s seat:

  1. Do you really trust the Angels scouting reports on other organization’s prospects?
  2. Do you get the type of offers you expect due to an impending lockout?

If the answer to either or both of those questions is no, you stand pat.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Not a bad summary.

Pineapple12
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14 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I would trade Detmers and Soriano regardless. I am deathly afraid of the lockout costing us a year of control with both guys, resulting in their value diminishing significantly.

There are 6-8 teams desperate for starting pitching and we have the guys they will pay up for.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I disagree, I believe that considering the lockout and the number of teams in contention, that standing pat will result in a multi year delay at best and a significant lost opportunity at worst because as P12 says, the value of our trade assets will be much less. I also think that, under the circumstances, your 2 points need to be ignored for now and standing pat is not an option. I don’t think standing pat is a choice you can afford even if you’re concerned about the 2 points. You need to make the best of it and move forward.

RexFregosi
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14 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

It will even be less than sizzle – there will be minimal turnover and Arte/Mo/Molly/Suzuki/Perry will all be blamed in varying degrees.

Because nobody will know the shet packages offered in return to rip us off 🍿

Jeff Joiner
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14 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I think there are two distinct possibilities:

  1. The Angels go on a fire sale.
  2. The Angels do essentially nothing.

If they trade any one of Neto, Soriano, or Detmers you have to trade them all. There is no point in doing anything in between.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Agree completely. All or nothing baby.

BannedInLA
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14 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I suspect the latter scenario.

Over the weekend, when the deadline comes and goes, we’ll see a lot of, “we had in depth discussions on multiple players, but in the end, the deals didn’t make sense for the current and long term health of the franchise. We like our players and view them as foundational pieces that we can build around”, blah, blah, blah.

I will be pleased enough if we release Soler and send Lowe back to AAA (assuming he has remaining options).

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

If that’s what actually happens then there was no reason to fire Perry.

BruinsAngelsKings
Trusted Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Disagree, just from a draft standpoint. It was clear the draft room was run MUCH different this year.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
14 days ago

So the draft this year has turned everything around? It was different and more like what I wanted but since Perry wasn’t drafting, we have no idea what his choices would have been. This year’s draft did not save the club, and if that was the only reason to fire Perry then so far, things really haven’t changed much.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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“I looked at what we have here. I gazed off into the middle distance. I thought about Mike Trout. I thought about old people complaining that they don’t know who any of these players are. I knew we just had to give these guys a chance to win together.” – GM

Jeff Joiner
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14 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Lowe has options and it is bizarre he is at the MLB level. He was Perry’s mistake, not Mo’s.

JackFrost
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14 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

If we trust that Moz knows what he’s doing (and I basically do) then we have to accept that as a potential outcome… if what is being offered for Neto is not enough then “no” is the right answer. AND, we should see that as a good thing, as opposed to just being hungry for fresh meat and taking anything that comes our way, even if it is shit…

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JackFrost
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14 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

….. and I am saying this as somebody who WANTS to trade Neto !!

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
14 days ago

Something to remember in these trade scenarios. If we lose most or all of the 2027 season – the prospects who have not been up have not started their clocks. If they do as expected, players who have their clocks started will be closer to free agency. So in my opinion, prospects should be given a premium in trades – which likely is not reflected in the trade simulators as it is not the standard algorithm.

Pineapple12
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14 days ago

Tigers are 3 losses back of WC3 and 6 losses back in their division.

Need the boys to keep grinding over there in Detroit! #Win4Skubal #KeepSkubal

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s like Ohtani. The Tigers NEED to trade Skubal for all they can get. They can QO Mize if they want. But they are clearly not cruising to a WS here, and getting nothing for Skubal on the off chance of an off chance that you will limp into the play offs and then magic ballz your way to the championship is dumb as fk. They are a young team. They have talent on the farm. They can sign another FA starter. They can be good for a few years to come… or they can try to keep Skubal and look like a team that will “go for it” while the Yankees and Doyers laugh at being able to just pay Skubal instead of give up prospects and then pay Skubal.

Fansince1971
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14 days ago

The Cardinals were known for developing players. It is a key component of any plan that involves acquiring young talent and molding them into Major Leaguers.

The Angels are the opposite. They are among the worst at developing players. That is one of the reasons why Perry kept drafting college players out of the draft – those guys came “developed” (at least way more so) by their programs as opposed to high schoolers that the Angels would have to develop.

So I cannot help but wonder if Mo has taken stock of this situation. He could trade away everything, end up with a bunch of high level talent and it wouldn’t mean anything in this Org. In the Cardinals Org – those guys would be the key to a long term rebuild. But if the Angels dont meaningfully develop players such that they succeed in the Majors (not in the Minors) then it is a fools errand.

Mo has a big job ahead of him but I hope part of it is the revamping of player development to bring in quality people with a proven track record of taking players from rough but talented to solid Major Leaguers.

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JackFrost
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14 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Your first 4 sentences here are right on target Fan. It is not that we need to “trade everyone.” Some of our guys really need to be kept (that would include Soriano ; imagine how good he’d be if he were in the Rays or Cardinals system !). What we need to do is totally revamp the way young players are selected, introduced and developed from Step 1 all the way through their first two to three years in the Bigs. This is the key !

This is also an important concept to grasp, one which I have thought myself many times as people cry for a fire sale :

He could trade away everything, end up with a bunch of high level talent and it wouldn’t mean anything in this system

In fact, that comment is very similar to a couple posts/comments I made yesterday countering the “trade everyone” philosophy….

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Fansince1971
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14 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Jack – in theory, and in a vacuum, I generally agree. Or if this team was anywhere close. But circumstances affect my ultimate analysis.

As we have seen, this team has been and is going nowhere. It has been going nowhere for a long time. With or without these players like Soriano, Detmers and Neto, this team has not performed and continues in that direction – actually getting worse. We are looking at losing over 100 games this season. The status quo (holding onto assets like Ohtani while trying to “compete”) has not worked. This is absolutely clear.

We are also about to go into a lockout where these players are likely a) not going to play for a full season and b) the team will likely lose a year of control over these players.

Unless we have an owner who is willing to spend on All Star caliber free agents (we don’t), there are so many holes to fill that players like Soriano, Detmers and Neto will continue to be surrounded with below-replacement value players which is a de-motivator (which I think we see in Neto). Without a solid surrounding cast, these guys have not and cannot make that much of a difference in a team sport.

All of these players like Detmers, Soriano and Neto will get more and more expensive. With as many holes as the Angels have it makes no financial sense to continue spending to keep these guys.

This Org needs a reset – a complete change. The stench of the last 12 seasons is not going away by staying put and not making big changes.

A well orchestrated rebuild by a baseball person who knows what they are doing can pay big dividends sooner than you may think. Look at the White Sox. And before that the Orioles and Tigers. The key is it needs to be well orchestrated.

I would prefer to be in a rebuild than continually hearing “compete” and retaining these players and watching the team lose 90+ per season.

Taking all of this into consideration I see trading away all the assets for young talent as the team’s only possible route forward. I agree it’s not ideal and I wish the team was in a different position. But I have concluded it is the only shot the team/Org has and it’s a Hail Mary.

JackFrost
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14 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Well, this comment kind of goes against the first post you made up above… But you make some good points here too… Certainly the lockout likely represents losing a prime year of Soriano and Detmers etc… Actually, I amend that comment, since if the guys are not playing they are not getting “wear and tear” on their bodies, so you are not really “losing” anything there…

I would add, if Arte loosens the purse strings maybe Moz decides to extend Soriano ? If I were him and it was feasible I would do it ! So, I don’t think we have to trade Jose necessarily…

But IF Moz decides to really give up on the idea of being good in 2028 or 2029 then your plan makes sense… but there is more than one way to skin a cat…. I mean, maybe in the real marketplace Moz does trade Neto and does trade Detmers but the offers for Soriano are just not fair or reasonable…. Should he allow a rival GM to screw him and trade him anyway ? I say no. You still have to make “good” trades…. Typically, if someone has value; say Neto, who still has three years of team control, then you SHOULD be able to get value back…. That means highly rated minor leaguers, if not proven MLB talent plus moderate to high unprovens… My point is, you can’t just give away a young stud like Soriano for cheap… of course teams are not gonna want to give you their Top 1-2 prospects… but if they don’t you have to play hardball and being willing to say “Sorry, no deal.”

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Fansince1971
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14 days ago
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As for the comment that two posts conflict, I am able to hold two divergent thoughts at the same time and feel comfortable with it. The first thought is that the Angels lack good player development and that I hope Mo improves that. My second thought is that under the circumstances, I think there is no choice but to clean house, even though it is not ideal. It is a Hail Mary.

Most true rebuilds have a five-year window in mind. So the target would be something like 2031. With that type of timeframe, the players you are concerned about are meaningless to this team. In that timeframe, none of them are likely to be on this team anyway as they would leave as free agents. I see nothing to suggest Arte would open up the pocket book to keep these players.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

I like how we’re talking about Soriano like he’s The Miz here. He’s not so good that it would blow my mind if he got traded. And no. No one is giving us a #1-2 prospect for him.

PedroCerrano
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14 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I agree with 71. History is littered with failed businesses that built a great product but didn’t know how operate. The Angels have many flaws, but the most glairing is probably in their failure to develop talent. Good organizations have a plan and methodology that they stick to by consistently executing on it. Drafting or aquiring talented people is only the start.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I’d have to say, their most glaring flaw has been not figuring out how to appease the spirits in the Indian Burial Ground they call home and shower off their piss bitch fan juju.

Take a look at ALL of the FA’s or trade and resign guys like Upton they have paid for. Not just the big contracts, all sizes. How many of those guys didn’t just completely fall apart? You’d think SOMEONE we signed as a big free agent or extension would work out OK, but no, Not even Trout.

That’s some serious angry ghost shit.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
14 days ago

 😅  They did win their only World Series the year after having the stadium cleansed.

“THEY MOVED THE HEADSTONES BUT LEFT THE BODIES!”

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
14 days ago

Andrelton Simmons was a good signing, along with a few relievers (Iglesias and Estevez). I think that’s the end of my list.

Fansince1971
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14 days ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Simmons was not a FA signing. He was acquired by trade for top pitching prospect Sean Newcomb and Eric Aybar.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
14 days ago

Some of it was bad luck. A lot of it was really bad decision making, and the combination of the two meant they were rarely successful. Ohtani turned out to be a great signing and could have been even better if they had traded him. Vlad was a good signing, Tori Hunter and a few others, but in most cases, they didn’t do their homework.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I agree – but hopefully the prospects have been given the guidance to get them on the right track. We definitely need a development overhaul. Big time.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

We need to trade everyone and ramp up a development program. Needing a development program doesn’t have anything to do with how bad an idea it is to keep our tradable assets.

It’s the like me saying “We need to keep our good players because if I have no one to watch this August we will look lame and free agents won’t sign here. Next thing you know, kids won’t sign when we draft them!” It’s mostly poppycock.

Or, “Why do we need a better development program? We don’t have any prospects. Keep our “stars” and sign more!” – Arte

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Given that our first round pick was a HS player, I doubt Mo is viewing younger prospects as a lost cause in this organization.

But I agree that hopefully this is a sign that he simultaneously plans to address the lack of player development (assuming he sticks around long term)

Fansince1971
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14 days ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Yes, my optimistic viewpoint is that his drafting a high school player with the first pick is a sign that he plans to reorganize and improve the player development part of the Org. My skeptical side is wait-and-see.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Yup. Soon as they made that pick I thought “I only 50% care if this kid busts if it means that this pick motivates the Angels to start a good development system.”

Jeff Joiner
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14 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

When I was looking into people from the Cardinals organization he might poach, I noticed they lost a key development guy. Mo then took a key development guy away from Cleveland to replace him and the Cardinals did not miss a beat.

That is a long setup to say I am very, very interested in seeing who Mo brings in to that capacity and what resources Arte allocates towards development.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
14 days ago

Did we trade anyone yet?

Jeff Joiner
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14 days ago

Went to the game last night with my family. My son liked watching the pregame lion dance and we got our mid game ice cream.

I had a perfect view into Arte’s suite. He wasn’t there. Molly and another other person were. She had a great view of the tarps off guys, who provided more entertainment than the team.

**edited this comment. One other person was in the suite, not me other person. I definitely am not in the owners suite ever.

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RexFregosi
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14 days ago

Moe’s Tavern – nice!

Do we have Mike Crotch available?

steelgolf
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14 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I think I’ll order a “Flaming Moe”.

Pineapple12
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14 days ago

128 hours until the deadline. It’s the waiting and anticipation that’s the killer.

Sayonara Detmers, Soriano, Neto, Adell, Zeferjahn 😇❤️

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TrojanBoiler
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14 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

 🎵  Why do you build me up  🎵 

Terry
Super Member
14 days ago

Angels relief pitching:

The Angels have 13 saves on the season. (Note, the least amount of saves by a team in a full season is the Red Sox in 1987 with 16).
Since Jordan Romano was released on April 27th, when he had four saves and two blown saves (the two during the Yankees series in NY), the team has only added 9 saves in 3 months. Since Aprl 27th, there have been the 9 saves, and 17 (!!) Blown saves. Thus, the team save rate is only slightly better than 33%.
If the save rate had been a reasonable 66.6%, that would have added 8 o 9 more wins.
Despite the poor defense, the abysmal performance of Soler, Lowe, Moncada, O’Hoppe, and the injury to Kikuchi, the team would still have a reasonable chance of a wild card slot, or at least a .500 season.

For whatever reason, Romano has been great with the Rockies, 7 games, 6 finished 4 saves in 4 save opportunities, 1.35 era.

It’s a long way since
Rodriquez had 62 saves for the Halos in 2008.

FungoAle
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14 days ago
Reply to  Terry

Being a bad team with having a few opportunities leading in the 9th inning, that stat is not not that alarming. Good example why bad teams should not have expensive closers.

Terry
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

The Angels have had 26 save opportunities since releasing Romano, more than some “good” teams. A stud closer probably could have saved at least 20 of those 26 save opportunities. That would mean a record of 53-55 right now. Right in the thick of the division winning race.

FungoAle
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14 days ago
Reply to  Terry

This team as constructed will never be in the thick of it and I know you know that.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Terry

If I’d have been three inches taller with a healthier rotator cuff I’d be relaxing having finished off my MLB pitching career a while back.

2pints
Super Member
14 days ago

“How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football baseball over them mountains?” – Uncle Rico Gitch

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2pints

at this point it’s “I bet you maybe I can throw a baseball.”

JackFrost
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14 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

A big reason why bad teams are bad is that they cannot close games out in the 8th and 9th inning!

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FungoAle
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14 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Agree with that but pinning Angel failures on the lack of a Closer is a small part of the overall teams faults. Angels need an affordable, home grown Closer to step up vs investing in an expensive one. If we had Mason Miller, do you believe we would be serious post season players? I’m not talking about backing into the final WC spot. I’m talking about competing for the pennant. If it is the former, that is a waste. Better to spend dollars to enhance the other positions, first.

Speaking of cheap home grown, look at the Indians, Cade Smith. MLB leader in saves. Closers come and Closers go.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  FungoAle

Es verdad. If you suck, you let guys try to become closers. If you’re good, you buy a Game 7 level closer. Paying a bunch of money to close out your 79th win of the season is stupid.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Terry

I have been struggling to understand the math.

The stat that everyone was saying a couple days ago was that we had just lost our 9th game when leading after 8 innings. But we have 19 total blown saves.

Is that because we’ve managed to go on and win 10 of those games after blowing the save because we didn’t lose it outright and managed to win in the bottom of the ninth or in extras?

Jeff Joiner
Editor
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14 days ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

You can blow a save prior to the 9th inning. A guy pitching in the 8th inning with a 3 run or less lead can close out the game and earn a save.

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