Walk Off Madness Postgame

This team is a joy to watch and full of heart. That was on display tonight as they battled neck and neck with a tough Diamondbacks team all night. The score was tied headed to the bottom of the 9th when Travis d’Arnaud pinch hit and drove in fellow catcher Logan O’Hoppe for the game winning run.

This was the second walk off win for the Angels this week and third dramatic victory of the home stand. When they are fun to watch, they are really fun to watch.

Nolan Schanuel had a three hit night and both Zach Neto and Yoan Moncada blasted home runs in the bottom of the first inning to stake the Halos to a 4-0 lead. The towering shot by Moncada was the 100th home run of his career. It is easy to see him play and imagine “what if?” he could stay healthy.

So buckle up, folks. We never know what we’re going to get when we turn on an Angels game this year. They play again tomorrow night. I’ll definitely tune in.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Soooo…. Newly aquired mega star with huge contract Rafeal Devers has back issues. It’s why he can’t field, run, or hit better than a scrub.

I don’t know how Perry screwed this up, but man he is stupid.

BannedInLA
Super Member
4 hours ago

I like our lineup tonight. Threats along each grouping of three.

Rengifo heating up from the 9-hole is nice.

BannedInLA
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4 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I guess actually posting the lineup would he helpful:

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Turk's Teeth
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6 hours ago

The latest draft intel from Baseball America (afternoon update) suggest three names rising up boards, with top three round chatter: Mitch Voit, Taitn Gray and Ethan Hedges.

Those who have read my draft pieces know these three are among my top faves across all rounds – I have them in pole position in rounds 2, 3, and 5 respectively. (Sounds like Hedges won’t now make it to 5, though.)

Since these are recent risers, I put the front office interest 100% down to my evangelism here on CtPG, my friends. 🙂

The avant-garde, c’est moi.

Eric_in_Portland
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6 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Thought I’d throw in a question re: prep bats (before I sit back with a cool one and read the latest, all about pitchers). Are the stats at Max Preps for real. They have Holliday hitting .617 with a .737 OBP and a 2.046 OPS. That’s uh… fairly high. JoJo Parker at .465 BA, .665 OBP, 1.675 OPS. I can’t find Willits’ numbers.

Turk's Teeth
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5 hours ago

Yes, stats for elite high school hitters are absolutely ridiculous. The spectrum of competition is so wide, and they aren’t usually facing pitchers with developed secondaries or much velocity. Competition varies widely from geography to geography, and there aren’t really normalizing metrics like wRC+ to put kids in context, because the context differ so significantly.

So not at all unusual to see kids hitting above .500, or pitchers with ERAs <1. You can’t really use standard rate and counting stats to evaluate prep talent, alas.

Phil
Member
7 hours ago

What a win yesterday!!

For today:
Gallen has faced the Angels once (2023), losing the game, while giving up 4 runs (2 HRs) in 7 innings, with 12 Ks.
For the season, he is 7-9, with 5.45 ERA

Kikuchi has faced D-backs 5 times, going 1-1, 5.81 ERA, 29Ks
For the season he is 3-6, 3.02 ERA

Odds are in favor of the Angels winning tonight.

Com’ on, Trout – let’s get a HR!!
By the way….yesterday, I checked stats, and Trout was at 0.6 WAR
Then, today, I checked stats (same website) and he’s at 0.7 WAR (after he went 1-2, 3 walks, 1 run scored) —- I didn’t realize WAR changed that fast after just 1 game.

Next closest active player to Trout (WAR 86.6) is Verlander (WAR 80.0)
Note: Verlander, for 2025, is at a (-)0.5 WAR. Last year, he was (-)0.3.
Now, that’s something I wouldn’t have guessed.

Cowboy26
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Phil

Plus we are fairly victorious on Saturdays . Just dont ask about Sundays  😎 

Phil
Member
6 hours ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

True.
Angels have the worst day-game record in 2025.
And Sundays are day games.

Let’s pray for a Sunday victory.

But, first things first, let’s get the Saturday victory, and then pray for divine intervention on Sunday.

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Eric_in_Portland
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9 hours ago

Judge has hit his 350th career homer. Trout will get to 400 first but 450? Both are 33. Judge looks like he’s going to stay strong for a few more years and, as we know, Mikey can go on the IL at any moment.

JackFrost
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9 hours ago

Judge will get to 500 HR….. I am not sure if Mike will though…

Phil
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7 hours ago

Trout’s contract ends 2030.
God willing, if he is healthy (and not missing more than 1 month’s worth of baseball in a season), he could get to 500 homers.
6+ homers this year to get to 400+
Then, average 20 homers for next 5 years after that.

Please, God, keep Trout healthy.

JackFrost
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5 hours ago
Reply to  Phil

I can see him hitting 30 HR this year (if he stays on the field) and maybe 25 next year, but I suspect the final two years will be like 15 and 10 HR, so it might be real close…

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BannedInLA
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4 hours ago
Reply to  Phil

Missing roughy three season’s worth of games over the previous five really derailed Trout vis-a-vis career numbers.

Pineapple12
Legend
12 hours ago

Keith Law mocking Seth Hernandez to us at #2.

don’t play with my heart, Mr. Law

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6483516/2025/07/12/mlb-mock-draft-2025-final-kade-anderson/?source=user_shared_article

Eric_in_Portland
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10 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

that’s a $10mil slot which should be enough to convince Hernandez (or Holliday) to forego college. My thoughts on the money: $10mil to Hernandez, isn’t that nice for the kid? $10mil to Holliday, probably doesn’t need it but we’d get him, $10mil to Doyle, oh no! Massive overpay!

Eric_in_Portland
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9 hours ago

one thing I didn’t like about Hernandez, his age (he’s 19 now just getting out of high school) works in his favor for getting to the majors reasonably quickly

Turk's Teeth
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8 hours ago

Consider how quickly the Angels promoted Dana. They drafted him in 2022, and he had his first taste of MLB ball two years later. And Hernandez is a much more advanced pitcher, with more now tools than Dana.

I’ve seen a couple comments this week from scouts who believe Hernandez could be in AA by this time next year. Consider that our most polished pitching prospect at the moment, collegiate arm Ryan Johnson, is still in High-A. That means folks are contemplating that Hernandez could move through the minors at roughly the pace of a typical college pitcher (2-3 years).

Not saying that’s the wisest course of action, but it may play into the Angels’ thinking here.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Turk's Teeth

THIS. This is why, short of Anderson, I am just as in favor of Hernandez. If he is behind a guy like Arnold by much it isn’t 3-4 years, more like 1-2.

Cowboy26
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10 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Yet Keith Law wrote this under the mock pick:

I believe it’s Hernandez, Liam Doyle or Kade Anderson here, with an outside chance it’s Jamie Arnold. Everyone seems to think the Angels are taking a pitcher, although I heard they met with Eli Willits again in the past few days.

Keith Law maybe right in that this could be the first time since 2018 that the Angels take a high schooler in the first round (In 2018 it was Jordyn Adams so maybe thats not the greatest of examples) I’m thinking Perry has new found job security. In fact I’ll bet Arte already gave PTP a contract extension ( through 2027 and beyond)but in typical C & E Arte fashion it wont get announced until after this season is over.

My money is still on Eli since hes not represented by Boras and I’m sure Reggie wants his kid to play for his Alma Mater.

JackFrost
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10 hours ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Even though his dad Reggie was/is a cool dude, I would be PISSED if they take Eli Willits with the # 2 pick… You need to go for star potential there, not just “solid.”

Pineapple12
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9 hours ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Law mocked CMo correctly last year, so I’m holding onto hope he’s right again.

I’ll support whoever the pick is. I am rooting hard for it to be Seth tho.

Eric_in_Portland
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9 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

best prep pitcher: Hernandez
best college pitcher: Kade
2nd best college pitcher: Arnold
best prep bat: Holliday, I think
best college bat: Arquette, I think

I’d be fine with any of those five. My order would be Kade, Arnold, Hernandez (a trend! pitching!) Holliday, Arquette.

JackFrost
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9 hours ago

I don’t want Holliday…

Roy Hobbs
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9 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Why?

Eric_in_Portland
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9 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I’m not sure about either of those 2 hitters. I do believe Arquette will be good to very good but we’re at #2 in the draft. If this were last year when we had the 9th pick I’d be deliriously happy if Arquette dropped to us. My dream draft would be Anderson or Arnold at #2 then have pther GMs not notice Alex Lodise is on the board and we get him at #47. After that it’s print out Turk’s Teeth’s posts and follow along.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 hours ago

Either Anderson or Arnold would be legitimate picks we are just so bereft of position player talent in our system.

JackFrost
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6 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

We really need a frontline pitcher… so unless the bat is Bobby Witt Jr we really need to go with a stud college arm or maybe Hernandez, whom I would support as well…

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
5 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Hernandez might be the best long term choice but I believe the pick will be Anderson if he’s available and Arnold if he is not.

JackFrost
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5 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I don’t think Anderson will be available but if he is I do think we’d take him, which I would be very happy with…

FungoAle
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7 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Work life balance, we all need a Holiday

Cowboy26
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5 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

If it’s got 2 l’s is it twice as long ?

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
8 hours ago

I Agee except I would probably not take Arquette with the 2nd pick over the other 4. But what do I know.

Cowboy26
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9 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Didnt Law also mock Schanny to us?

Pineapple12
Legend
8 hours ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yuuuupppp 😛! Looking back at his 2023 mock, I can’t believe he had Langford over Skenes at #1.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4671798/2023/07/07/mlb-mock-draft-langford-pirates-crews-clark/

FungoAle
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8 hours ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Interesting, Eli…welcome to Anaheim

Turk's Teeth
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8 hours ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

What’s interesting is that Law has had this information through multiple mocks thus far. He’s said that he’s heard the Angels connected to Hernandez, but he refused to believe it. If he’s changed his mock this late, it’s because he’s hearing it more loudly, probably from multiple sources.

I won’t believe it until it happens, but I’ve read that the club has met with him and his team more than once, and spent hours vetting him. And given how far a prep righty can fall on draft day, a discount is probably obtainable (he’s not going to go to college over the difference between a #6 slot bonus vs a #2 slot bonus).

I’m sure Hernandez is on the short list at this point though.

Cowboy26
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Who’s his Agent errr Advisor? if it aint Borass, the Hernandez rumors would have more credibility IMO .

Also I wondered what’s the highest bonus ever paid to a RHP prep pitcher wasat least in the 20 round Bonus pool system era. In checking the last few drafts I think it was in 2023 when the Marlins paid Noble Meyer $5,475,300 and signed him for about $1,000,000 above their 10th slot position.

So Maybe the Angels could sign Hernandez for $7 Million to $8 million thereby eclipsing the old record but still significantly below slot and allowing them to target other players with overslot bonuses in the 2nd & 3rd rounds as well as Perry’s Patented 11th round Preptaculars

Eric_in_Portland
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I am trying to make peace with the thought of taking Doyle or Willits or even JoJo Parker

Turk's Teeth
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6 hours ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

There’s no definitive info that I’ve seen that suggests the Boras is Hernandez’s agent (or Eli Willits’) that I know of.

There is definitive information that Boras represents Holliday, Arquette and Kade Anderson. Yet multiple sources, including TBW, suggest Anderson is still at the top of the Angels’ board.

While Moreno has not historically liked dealing with Boras in the draft, he’s done so – Jered Weaver was repped by Boras. He’s also done so many times in free agency. Kikuchi and Rendon are both repped by Boras.

The Angels would have to pay Hernandez at least 7.8M, as he showed up to the Combine, and players who do that and submit medical reports can’t have their bonus razed more than 25% vs the slot value.

FungoAle
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9 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Oh man, make it be real P12. Mariners wanting him should be a good scouting report for Perry.

angelslogic
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12 hours ago

Kochanowicz got his bus tickets.

Last edited 12 hours ago by angelslogic
JackFrost
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11 hours ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Bout’ time ….. If you want to be taken seriously as a team you have to BE serious…

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  angelslogic

Go get fixed Silent C! It’s not like he’s a horrible prospect. Just needs some tweeks and if he can figure out how to command his strikes, and use a couple of those go to spots as an out pitch, he’s gonna be solid.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 hours ago

and not get flustered by baserunners. He needs to avoid those big innings. Gee…that might be true of Soriano, too.

JackFrost
Legend
6 hours ago

Walks the number 8 and 9 hitters waaaaayy too much !

Phil
Member
7 hours ago
Reply to  angelslogic

I am shocked.
Seriously.
I figured they’d just keep trotting him out there for rest of 2025.
A 6.03 ERA is nothing, when they’ve kept players on the roster (for the next season) after a full season in which that pitcher had an even higher ERA than Kochanowicz

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Phil

Phil – “Hi everyone. My name’s Phil. And I’m a CtPG Guy. I’m powerless to stop myself from thinking about the 52 innings Jose Suarez threw for us in 2024. It’s to the point that I don’t even remember that he threw the exact same number of innings in SLC that year. It’s like every pitch was thrown AT ME. I need help.”

Everyone – “Hi Phil!”

Pineapple12
Legend
12 hours ago

Several notable pitching performances from the farm yesterday:

Victor Mederos (AAA)
4 innings
1 ER
4 hits
4 walks
2 strikeouts

Jared Southard (AAA)
1 inning
0 ER
0 hits
2 strikeouts
— given up 1 ER in last 29 innings (AA + AAA) 👀👀👀

Yeferson Vargas (A+)
6 innings
0 ER
1 hit
1 walk
7 strikeouts

Barrett Kent (A)
3.2 innings
0 ER
3 hits
3 walks
4 strikeouts

Dylan Jordan (Arizona Rookie Ball)
5 innings
0 ER
4 hits
1 walk
5 strikeouts

Chase Silseth
2 innings
0 ER
0 hits
3 strikeouts

Some promising stuff here.
— I’d like to see Mederos get big leagues starts in the 2nd half of the season.
— What else does Southard have to do for a call-up?
— Vargas with quite the A+ debut. Thinking about Luis Garcia trade always puts a smile on my face.
— Kent is a legit prospect. Stoked to see him finally healthy this year.
— Jordan continues his nice season.
— Silseth is alive!

tanana40
Super Member
12 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Where is Silseth? I did not see him in the SLC Bees boxscore

Pineapple12
Legend
11 hours ago
Reply to  tanana40

Apologies, I forgot to put (Arizona Rookie Ball) next to his name. It was a rehab appearance

tanana40
Super Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Thanks, he is a mystery.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

thanks P12. Good info there

Cowboy26
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9 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

At this juncture The Luis Garcia trade gives me more of a half smile than a beaming one P12. Until one or more of the glorious 4 actually generates positive WAR I’ll reserve judgement even if we kicked Boston’s ass on paper. That being there is still a real possibility this may happen. here’s a (opinionated) update:

  • Zeferjahn has the stuff but still needs to figure out how to pitch in high leverage situations and cut down on the HR’s.
  • Niko Kavadas Is the Greek God of 3 outcomes who without reducing his prodigious strikeout numbers will only be able to provide necessary filler at AAA.
  • Matthew Lugo has brought back the toe tap and is crushing the ball again at AAA so he may get a legitimate shot in the outfield here especially after we trade Taylor Ward  😁 
  • Yeferson Vargas is still young enough and talented enough that if he is getting his shit together he could be the steal of the entire trade.

Time will tell fairly quickly what type of victory this trade was for Perry and the gang.

2002heaven
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13 hours ago
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Senator_John_Blutarsky
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13 hours ago
Reply to  2002heaven

One season doesn’t make a career. Your comparison to determine the long term value of a player to his team is illogical.

Have a delightful day!

2002heaven
Super Member
10 hours ago

Thank you. I am as a matter of fact! If both players were on the trading block which one would bring back more in return?

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  2002heaven

compare them in 2029 and let me know what you think.

2002heaven
Super Member
9 hours ago

This is 2025
What if all four of us are dead? Me, you and both players?
We made the decision to promote Schaneul way to soon (actually this should be his rookie season).

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 hours ago
Reply to  2002heaven

as pointed out, Busch is 4 years older. At Schanuel’s age Busch was hitting .267 in Double-A

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 hours ago

Everyone is right. Busch is a much better hitter right now and we have no idea what Nolan will do in 4 years. Nolan is a more advanced hitter at 23 than Bush was but I have my doubts as to whether Nolan will ever be the hitter Busch is currently. but that’s just my opinion. Not sure what the point of the original post was though. Who’s better now is pretty straight forward and in 4 years will find out the answer to the other part.

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  2002heaven

If you look purely at the numbers, Busch has produced more in his 267 game career than Schanuel has in his 266 game career. But at age 23, Michael Busch was playing at AA Tulsa, not the major leagues. This is also Busch’s age 27 season, and this is probably the best he’ll ever be while Schanuel has yet to reach his prime years. Good attempt, but you’ve left out too much context.

2002heaven
Super Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

The Cubs/Dodgers didn’t promote Busch like the Angels did with Schaneul. Bottom line Busch is the better hitter at this point.

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I look forward to see what Nolan is hitting in 4 years time then.

2002heaven
Super Member
9 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

Most baseball people speculated that Schaneul had a low ceiling similar to Matt Thaiss. Same thing in the NFL when many All American players are like Deon Sanders son.

Last edited 9 hours ago by 2002heaven
Cowboy26
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9 hours ago
Reply to  2002heaven

WTF is Schaneul ?

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I’m not doubting that at all, but if Thaiss had hit like Schanuel has, he’d most likely still be on the team

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

So is Aaron Judge.

FungoAle
Legend
9 hours ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Busch is a good player, you should go poke Dodger fans for trading him too soon

2002heaven
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I said many times in recent posts that the Dodgers farm is in fact way overrated. Look at their current starting lineup, other than Will Smith they have nobody else who’s homegrown. Most of their team is like the French Foreign Legion of MLB, why because they have the most money to spend…..DUH 🙄.

Cowboy26
Legend
7 hours ago
Reply to  2002heaven

How about YOU go look at their roster again Toots. You forgot Andy Pages Clayton Kershaw & Dustin May as starters so thats 4 out of 14 States. Currently they also have Dalton Rushing, James Outman, Ben Casparius, Jack Drayer & Emmet Sheehan on the bench and bully. Thats 9 out of 26 active roster spots which is over a third of the roster .

2002heaven
Super Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

How about you go back and get a clue.
Nobody gives a damm about those fringe guys. Other Teoscar Hernandez that outfield sucks offensely. You seem to like beautiful grammar and history over THINGS THAT REALLY MATTER 🤣👎😜

bobblanton
Trusted Member
14 hours ago

Let’s go Eli Willits

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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12 hours ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Can we not and pretend we did? Please?

JackFrost
Legend
14 hours ago

Baseball is a funny game … The Dodgers are a loaded team returning all stars from team that bought a Championship…. They are widely considered the best team in MLB this year and yet they are currently riding a 7 game losing streak ( love it !!)…

If they lose today to the Giants they would surpass the Angels longest losing streak this year, which is also 7 games …

And btw we have matched their longest winning streak which is 8 games ….

Last edited 14 hours ago by JackFrost
Roy Hobbs
Super Member
13 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Even with the losing streak though they still have the best record in the NL and the 2nd best in MLB while we are 4th in our division.

JackFrost
Legend
13 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

No doubt…. They did give themselves a big cushion to fall in… That said, they are not unbeatable. I can remind you that we swept them at Dodgers Stadium back in May ….

If I am honest I must say I do think they will win today. Nonetheless it has been fun watching them lose on this bad streak. I see them as the New Evil Empire.

BTW, are you a fan of their team ?

Last edited 13 hours ago by JackFrost
2002heaven
Super Member
13 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

They’ve never repeated.
Not the Lakers, Celtics, Jordan Bulls, Steph Curry Warriors., Brady Belichick Patriots.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
13 hours ago
Reply to  2002heaven

True. We’ll have to see what happens over the next couple of years. Every year I think the Astros are the best team and then they lose in the playoffs.

BannedInLA
Super Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

It’s only a matter of time before Shohei, Betts & Freeman kick in the afterburners.

JackFrost
Legend
9 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Hate to say it but I think you are right… early in the year I said nobody would dethrone them in 2025, but now I am starting to think it could happen… But man, that lineup is just unfair ; Ohtani, Betts, Freeman, Will Smith, and of course Hernandez when he is hot is incredibly dangerous..

2002heaven
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

They’re better than the Dodgers? Other than Zach Neto and Taylor Ward…..
😂

Last edited 8 hours ago by 2002heaven
BannedInLA
Super Member
15 hours ago

I find it mildly lame that the draft is Sunday/Monday versus Saturday/Sunday.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
15 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Whoever does the scheduling is an idiot. The draft should be sat. The same with the home run derby and all star game. Do it on a Saturday- sun not sun – mon.

2002heaven
Super Member
13 hours ago

We’re MLB, not the NFL or NBA who are both way better run.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

The NBA and NFL have their drafts on Saturday? Am I in an alternate universe? Please, someone help me. I need to be told what to be angry about.

2002heaven
Super Member
8 hours ago

Dood you’re always in a alternative universe..
Spaceballs movie to be exact. BTW Michael Busch….hee hee

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

The NASCAR driver?

JackFrost
Legend
15 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

What time does it start on Sunday ? I was thinking about going to the game, but that would suck if it overlaps with the Draft ? Does the MLB Draft start around 5:15pm PST ?

steelgolf
Legend
14 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I thought it was around 3 pm pacific time.

JackFrost
Legend
14 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Sucks for people going to the game …. Didn’t MLB used to hold it on one of the off days after the All-Star Game ?

Pineapple12
Legend
12 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

That’s an annoying time, but will be easy enough to stream while I’m at the game.

A Soriano masterclass + selecting Holliday/Hernandez will make for a euphoric Sunday.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

you never know what you’ll get with Sori but after the last one he’s due for a gem

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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12 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Thou dares to question the wisdom and savvy of King Manfred the Last?

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I know! I want it today! I bet they scheduled so it wouldn’t interfere with any Yankee game.

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 hours ago

Rengifo with 3 hits, Trout’s OBP is now .355 and Neto will almost certainly break the Angel record for leadoff homers in a season – currently tied with Brian Downing at 7.

JackFrost
Legend
14 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

For us OBP fans we love to track it …. Trout continues to get on base. Last night 4 times ! That included a scorching double with 100 mph + exit velo and 3 walks !!

At least this team has somebody who knows how to work a walk !!!

Last edited 14 hours ago by JackFrost
Roy Hobbs
Super Member
13 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Based on current season performance for BA, OBA, and SLG%, I would adjust the 1st five in the line up to be as follows:

  1. Trout
  2. Schanuel
  3. Neto
  4. Adel
  5. Ward

If Nolan ran better, I would lead him off and hit Trout 2nd. Either way, Trout and Schanuel get on base more often than everyone else by a significant margin and should be at the top of the line up. Neto never walks but has a high BA and SLG%. Adel and Ward have near identical SLG% but Adel has a higher BA and OBA.

Pineapple12
Legend
12 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

The correct order 😤

BannedInLA
Super Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Yeah, Neto will to bat leadoff for the time being because Nolan is a slug and we want Trout to de-emphasize running – though he looked pretty good on last night’s hustle double.

Healthy/Prime Trout was a devastating leadoff hitter

JackFrost
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I actually recommended Trout at lead-off about a week ago during the Toronto series… The only place I differ with you on your list is with Jo. As regards Adell the numbers over the last little more than a month say he is the most productive batting 5th. When you bat in the middle of the order you need to drive in runs…

In the period since June 10th he has hit as follows

5th in order : .319 BA
6th in order : .321 BA
4th in order : .375 BA

I listed in descending order based on number of games/AB’s. Hitting 4th is a very small sampe here…. But to the point of productivity here are the stats for RBI’s per game :

5th : 1.08 per game
6th : .25 per game
4th : .33 per game

I think Jo needs to bat 5th in the order.

Last edited 10 hours ago by JackFrost
Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Jo vs Ward is no big deal but RBIs per game is a meaningless statistic without the context of opportunity. The fact that their SLG percentages are roughly equal and Jo’s BA and OBA are higher, says that by definition he would drive in more runs.

JackFrost
Legend
6 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

It is not meaningless… What you say about opportunities is inaccurate as long as the dude is batting in the middle of the order ; 4, 5, or 6. If a Major League hitter is batting in those spots there WILL be opportunities….

And the reason is obvious. It is because pretty much all MLB teams put their highest AVG and OBP guys at 1-3 spots in order, which means guys will be on base for the meat of order.

Now, there will be variability in terms of how much opportunity (the Dodgers will have more than the Marlins etc) but the point still stands as valid. Thus I stand by my original statement. Because of higher productivity Jo should bat 5th.

The other thing is that there is a psychology to batting in certain spots in the order… that is the reason Wash hit Jo 7th and 6th for quite awhile (spots he did quite well in) before moving him up… the added pressure causes some guys to shrink, and I don’t think we could exclude the possibility of that for Adell.

Last edited 6 hours ago by JackFrost
BannedInLA
Super Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I’m also a confirmed money ball OBP fan.

Getting on base = runs in almost equation. This is also what frustrates me most about this team. Relatively low batting avg & OBP.

I’d sacrifice 40% of of our homers for a few .290+’hitters, better team OBP and speed.

JackFrost
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Agree about the HR’s… Hitting a bunch of solo HR’s doesn’t help you that much…. But 2 run and 3 run HR’s are a different story…

steelgolf
Legend
16 hours ago

Nice that they got a win, hopefully one of the players pumped up their trade value. Didn’t watch because I don’t like AppleTV games, and we have an AppleTV subscription for some reason.

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Probably the only benefit to living in the mid-west is that the Angels are considered out of my viewing area for home games.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
22 hours ago

My garage rock group was playing a show tonight. When I left the house Neto had already hit his homer. When I got to the club it was 4-0. “A win!”, I thought. Left the club later, checked my phone and saw a friend had texted “can they push one across here?” My heart sank but this is a resilient team. I wish Tyler Anderson hadn’t given up 4 (trade value) but the baby got lit up. Yay!

WallyChuckChili
Legend
23 hours ago

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

I am happy that Logan and Rengifo both look like they are getting a clue at this point. Good stuff.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Man. This horrible team sure loves the close ones.

Cowboy26
Legend
1 day ago

Congratulations to Yeferson Vargas who celebrated his Move up from the Low A IE to High A Tri City with an impressive debut giving up only 1 hit and 1 walk with 7 SO’s in 6 inning stellar innings tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHDwRECFL8M

Last edited 1 day ago by Cowboy26
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