LA Angels Monday News Crash:

The Winter Meetings are next week. Do you think this week will be the calm before the storm or a rollercoaster? Will it fall somewhere in between?

Patrick Sandoval is a non-tendered pitcher of interest according to MLB Trade Rumors. Cal Quantrill was the other starter they discussed. He would arrive at spring training ready to pitch.

The Dodgers signed Blake Snell to a five year deal for $182 Million with $65 Million deferred. Presumably, the Angels will have to deal with him at the annual freeway exhibition series. The Mets signed Frankie Montas. The expensive pitchers are falling off the board.

Players Needing Passports

Jason Vosler signed with the Chunichi Dragons while Emmanuel Ramirez went to the Seibu Lions. Enmanuel De Jesus signed with the KT Wiz of the Korean Baseball Organization. Socrates Brito might manage to get back into MLB. He has been pretty good in the KBO for the last three years. So far, he hasn’t been much good in MLB.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Uh oh. The dream may be over for Tootie. D-Bags are looking to keep Joc Pederson. At least we can still probably get Avasail Garcia…..

Cowboy26
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4 months ago

We need RHP mashers so I was kind of giddy about a potential Joco Peddy signing

Born_in_59
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4 months ago

Arte Moreno is on this year’s Classics Era committee for the Hall of Fame. I wonder who he’s voting for? Come on down former Angels Luis Tiant and Tommy John.

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

I assume it’s not’s Bobby Grich’s era? Because if it is, Arturo has no excuses to influence the other committee members to make this happen Hell give them their own personal office suite as an inducement if you need to.

https://therealdeal.com/national/phoenix/2024/11/25/billionaire-arte-moreno-buys-offices-next-to-phoenix-mansion/

Born_in_59
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4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Right era, but Grich isn’t on the ballot. Whoever put the ballot together didn’t think enough of Grich or Whitaker to put them on, deciding Steve Garvey was a better choice.

Marcotor
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4 months ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

Both of whom probably belong in the Hall of Very Good, but not in any shape or form the Hall of Fame.

steelgolf
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4 months ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

Tommy John should be in. They named the damn surgery after him.

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I would vote for his left forearm.

Eric_in_Portland
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4 months ago

8 days until the lottery! Fingers crossed. I’m sure that’ll help.

Twebur
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4 months ago

Due Theory! Top 3 picks or bust!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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YES WE CAN!

FungoAle
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4 months ago

Please, Please…

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Pineapple12
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4 months ago

We want #1, but any position inside the top 4 works!

Ethan Holliday
Tyler Bremner
Jace LaViolette
Cam Cannarella

FungoAle
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4 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Unless there is a Skenes-like breakout in Bremmer, I’d have to lean on drafting OF help first. The next 6-months certainly should help to inform.

Pineapple12
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4 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I am certainly biased as a UCSB alum lol.

One of stud OFers is ideal as well

Last edited 4 months ago by Pineapple12
FungoAle
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4 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Bremmer DOES look pretty studly and cannot think of a better place to hole up for 4-years of hard labor, SB is perfect.

Last edited 4 months ago by FungoAle
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Pineapple12

If we get top 3 pick there are like 4 or 5 guys I’d be happy with including The Choe. Clemson’s CF…. the other OF from some college…. there are some pretty good guys in the top 5 of college players.

I just don’t want to be stuck picking 9th or some crap.

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

TBW says Cam is the man.

Fansince1971
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4 months ago

Hoping and hoping for top 3. Number 1 would be awesome!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Would you take Holliday at #1?

Cowboy26
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4 months ago

Not sure but I would definitely take a holiday to celebrate.

(Although our only 2 previous overall picks ( Goodwin & Erstad) were not exactly game changers.

Fansince1971
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4 months ago

In NFL terms, the Angels are more like the Jets than the Broncos. Bringing in an old Aaron Rodgers expecting him to perform like he did a decade ago is such an Angel move. Meanwhile the Broncos sucked and then drafted Bo Nix to lead for the next decade.

The Halis need to be more like the Broncos at this point rather than trying to “compete” via free agency

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

So who is our Aaron Rodgers ?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Michael Nelson Rendon

halofansince1978
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4 months ago

Backwards that is RNM…Reserve Not Met.

Not sure that means anything…but it’s fun!

FungoAle
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4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Decade, try 2-years ago

Angelstan
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4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I get the idea but I’m unsure the Broncos are the best comparison or role model. They brought in Russell Wilson, misused him, fired multiple coaches before and during, paid tons of money for the current coach, let Wilson go while paying him tons of money, and now have a rookie that played six years of college who looks ok. Meanwhile, Wilson just passed for 410 yards yesterday for Pittsburgh. Many better run organizations with more recent success exist.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Angelstan

They are actually a fairly good example. They did a whole lot of screwing around pretty much since Manning. And yes, they have an OK guy in Nix and Wilson is off doing well in Pitt now. And the Chiefs are still better in a “down” year for them.

BUT the Broncos finally bit the bullet and made a lot of moves that didn’t “move the needle”. Their O Line is better. Their defense got built up more by “raising the floor” than signing big names. And now they are in the hunt.

The did the equivalent of getting a pile of pitchers with sub-1.35 WHIPs and a bunch of hitters who play solid defense and have .720 OPS plus some roll players.

This is what we need to do. The Broncos, as they stand now, are “a couple pieces away” from going at the Chiefs for real. This next off season is when it would make sense for them to try and get a “needle mover”.

I think Perry’s a perfectly fine GM. Arte seems to be staying out of the way other than the “need to compete” thing. At least he’s not splashing. Washington is a good manager and his coaches seem to be doing a fairly good job. Our team needs about five more 2 WAR type players that we develop cheaply. Then they need to go buy or trade for a couple bigger time players.

We are the 2023 Broncos.

Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago

Pretty good take right here.

D line additions: Klassen, Aldegheri to go along with Dana and Silent C. This puts pressure on Detmers to live up to potential or get bypassed.

Hopeful 2 WAR regulars: Christian Moore, Matthew Lugo, and possible one of the first base buys like Kavadas or Noda.

Perhaps we even have a couple of cost controlled bench options coming up in Rada and Guzman, who have both been rushed in their development but can hopefully now repeat some levels and actually develop.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I also think that they are improving on the prospect front but they have most of their “prospects” already with the MLB club so their ranking still sucks. Teams with deeper major league rosters can stash more top guys in the minors for seasoning. It remains to be seen if rushing guys up will pay dividends or not and will most likely be a mixed bag. I do like their emphasis on continued teaching with Washington and staff.

Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Hopefully this is the year that stops or at least slows that trend.

5 man rotation of Kikuchi, Anderson, Soriano, Hendricks only leaves one spot for Detmers, Silent C, Aldegheri, Silseth, Dana, and Klassen.

I do think Silseth could make the Opening Day roster in the bullpen, but we have Suarez penciled in at long reliever for now but the rest will be in the minors.

Cole Fontenelle, Christian Moore, Matthew Lugo, Davis Mershon, Nelson Rada, and the rest of the 2024 draft class should all start in the minors with only Moore finishing at the MLB level.

By the end of the year we’ll have added another draft class and likely prospects in return for Ward, Anderson, Rengifo and a couple others.

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Dont fall asleep on Matthew Lugo. 
I could definitely see him in the big leagues by mid season 2025.

Twebur
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4 months ago

Appearances seem to indicate that Arte is turning the page so to speak… looking to develop the organization like a normal owner. But in an organization cloaked in secrecy and lack of communication, we will need to wait and see if this is true. Fingers crossed.

But, up until the “page turning” Art has been a combination of the Bears ownership, the Washington Redskins ownership (prior to being sold), and the Cleveland Brown ownership all rolled into one. Lots of clueless decision making, overpaying for players, embarrassment, shame, stubbornness, arrogance, lots of “family decisions/involvement” when they know nothing about running a team. Owners own, GM’s GM, coaches coach, players play.
The mouth breathing moron owner of the Browns openly admitted he was influenced by a homeless person outside a restaurant in demanding that the team take Johnny Manziel with their first round pick. Refusing to listen to his football people that told him, don’t do it. And for him/and his wife, that’s just one of many examples of horrible decision-making. Shit, the Chicago Bears haven’t made a modern day football decision since the 1960s.

If Arte is on board with developing talent, building an organization….it’s taken him 20 years to figure that out? Not sure that bodes well for our chances.

Here’s to NEW Angel trAditions!

RexFregosi
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4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I see our franchise more like a donkey than a jet plane.

RexFregosi
Super Member
4 months ago

Remember when of all the teams in the sport emerging from COVID the last couple years, they were last place, ridiculed by everyone in the national media, not to mention the local media and fan base? No hope. And picked last in their league. Mocked.

if Arizona State football can turn it around and get it right, so can the Angels. Forks up! Go Sun Devils!

Pineapple12
Super Member
4 months ago

Ladies and gentlemen, I found our future 3rd baseman.

“Munetaka Murakami announced that 2025 will be his last season playing in Japan, per @Yahoo_JAPAN_PR

He will look to sign with an MLB team in 2026”

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=muraka000mun

A shortened version of an If I Was Perry —
1. Sign Shane Bieber
2. Trade Rengifo, Anderson, and Ward for prospects
2. Draft Tyler Bremner
3. Sign Murakami next offseason

2026 Angels:

Soriano
Bieber
Kikuchi
Kochanowicz/Detmers/Dana/Aldegheri/Silseth/Klassen/Bremner

C – O’Hoppe
1B – Schanuel
2B – C Moore
SS – Neto
3B – Murakami
OF – Trout
OF – Adell
OF –
DH –

Last edited 4 months ago by Pineapple12
steelgolf
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4 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

You have two number “2” and one number “3”. And is number 4 or 5 = profit?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Pineapple12

I have seen plenty of Bremner since he’s a choe… I want him. But he’s not pitching in the MLB right after the draft unless God reaches down and touches him this year.

Pineapple12
Super Member
4 months ago

I agree, that’s why I threw him in at the end.

red floyd
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4 months ago

Forgive my ignorance, but what’s a “choe”?

Pineapple12
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4 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Gaucho = Cho

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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4 months ago

Kikuchi was the “big splash”. Now comes the “fidgeting around the edges” phase of Perry’s strategy to achieve Arte’s desire to “compete”

Angelz4ever
Super Member
4 months ago

…or, “Angels were all-in on <Insert player name>”

FungoAle
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4 months ago

Could be wrong but I’m thinking Perry will turn over the roster more. Wards name is out there quite a bit and Anderson should be dealt before opening day. You cannot run it back with only free agent acquisitions.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Yes, we’re not going anywhere with our current roster. Other than the addition of Soler, this is the same team that was almost last in runs scored last year and may be minus Neto for a while. I would much rather see us be aggressively getting better or aggressively rebuilding.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  FungoAle

I know it likely doesn’t help us much this year, may even make us worse, but I’d still like to see us get more prospects in the system via trades of MLB players.

Fansince1971
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4 months ago

Agree 💯

Angelstan
Trusted Member
4 months ago

I don’t see the love expressed nationally for a two year deal for Sandoval. I hope things work out for him, but a $17-20 million deal when he won’t pitch virtually all this year sounds like way too much.

I do like the idea of doing the same with Bieber and paying even more, if necessary. That guy has a history of being a star when everything is right.

I’m also interested in the bullpen fixes Perry plans. They need another legitimate arm for late inning work. It doesn’t need to be a big name, just someone fairly solid. I’d take back one of the two guys traded away last year at the right price.

CAoldskoll
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4 months ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Angels linked to 37 year old Kirby Yates? Could be a way cheaper option than an Esteves level FA. Definitely a short term deal.

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

Heck yeah. Right the wrong from 8 years ago when Billy tried to sneak him through waivers.and the Padres ended up with 2 incredible years of dominance.

Pineapple12
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4 months ago
Reply to  Angelstan

we want Bieber

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Who may not pitch effectively until 2026 or never.

Pineapple12
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Gauchos always come back stronger

Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Very interesting gamble. One I’d take but can definitely see the arguments against.

If he does bounce back, he leads a rotation that is largely cost controlled after 2025. Bieber, Kikuchi, Dana, Silent C, another of the kids is looking pretty good if Beebs is close to being his old self.

And the overall cost of the rotation is reasonable thanks to three youngsters.

But if it doesn’t work out, you have yet another bad contract hindering the team.

Last edited 4 months ago by Jeff Joiner
Senator_John_Blutarsky
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4 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

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Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Well then look at this “bargain” .https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/12/cubs-to-sign-matthew-boyd.html Boyd is a 33 year old two time TJS recipient who made 8 dominant but short starts late season for the Guardindians. This deal makes Kikuchi the deal of the century.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I heard that on MLB radio and was doing the math as well. He will be 34 years old and while his numbers for four starts were good, he still only averaged just over four innings per appearance. He has only averaged just over 52 innings over the last five seasons with a total WAR of 1.8. Teach your kids to pitch I guess.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Angelstan

Wanna see some magic? Sign Beiber, who may or may not be a good idea but seems to have some positive vibes here. Let the ink dry.

Watch Beiber suddenly become cheap Arte signing another Thor in our hive mind by March because he’s not (insert star name).

Ju Ju.

GrandpaBaseball
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4 months ago

The tree is not up just yet so, PTP has not put a note about any big splash trades under it. Not many phone messages on the machine or cell about Soto coming to town, so there is probably a snowball chance in Hell about that so, no news is good news.

If we spend little else on trades and/or FA signings, then maybe more can be directed towards scouting and development, just a passing thought.

Go get ‘m yutz 😃 

halofansince1978
Super Member
4 months ago

Halo Power Baby!!