LA Angels Weekend News Crash: So Stuffed

The Friday after Thanksgiving is the busiest day of the year for plumbers. Hopefully your plumbing and that of your house is working just fine after a big feast yesterday. Here are some links to enjoy while you test out both.

Yesterday we gave thanks for the blessings in our lives. Here’s a reason for each MLB team to be thankful.

As referenced in the link above, Perry Minisasian has been the busiest GM in MLB this off season. This week he landed Yusei Kikuchi on a 3 year deal worth $63 million. As with every free agent there’s risk and there’s reward. With Kikuchi it isn’t hard to see the tantalizing upside, but will he finally get consistent results? I’m going to just assume this means Kikuchi has wicked stuff.

Just how busy has Perry been? How about 40% of the rotation, our new DH, a really nice backup catcher, and some infield depth all prior to Turkey Day. The question is “what now?”

How nice of a backup catcher? Let FanGraphs explain. That’s a really good piece, there. Read it.

The Angels are having a bedeviling off season.

Yes, $48 million was added to the payroll through these signings but Griffin Canning, Patrick Sandoval, and others were removed so the net works out to about $34 million.

Sandoval is now a very interesting free agent. He’ll miss most of this year recovering from multiple surgeries, but he’s shown promise and has an additional year of control remaining. Here’s a really nice breakdown on why Patrick is likely to find a new home.

Meanwhile, the Angels now have quite a few candidates for the 2025 rotation and likely even more pushing to make MLB in 2026.

I think ideally Caden Dana gets a little more seasoning and replaces Tyler Anderson at the trade deadline with Sam Aldegheri and Chase Silseth pushing Kyle Hendricks out the door. I will say this, for the first time in a long time I’ll look at our AAA callups with intrigue rather than dread.

MLB must think Dana has a shot at an Opening Day gig or close to it as they name him the Angel most likely to win Rookie of the Year.

One name not on that list of 2025 candidates is George Klassen, who might have the best stuff of the entire group. He needs to put it together consistently but when he’s on he’s really easy to dream on a bit.

From around baseball:

Shohei Ohtani is seeking $325k worth of baseball cards from his former interpreter.

The Detroit Tigers were a great storyline over the secnd half of last season. Where do they go from here? Well, they are an intriguing possibility for Nolan Arenado.

Our neighbors to the north continue to make a mockery of the concepts of parity and the luxury tax.

Giants fan favorite Brandon Crawford retired after a career that “was beyond my wildest dreams.”

I’ll leave you with me and my son’s favorite scene from our favorite Thanksgiving movie. We laugh and laugh every time Snoopy does battle with that chair.

So, enjoy your day and remember if you go Black Friday shopping to film the fights in landscape view. Oh, and link what I missed.

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Angelz4ever
Super Member
9 days ago

…heard it from a friend whoooo.. heard it from a friend whooo heard it from another Perry’s shoppin’ around…

Fansince1971
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10 days ago

MLB Scrooge Index:

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/3107553

Angels are listed at having $407m in revenue and spending $189m or 46%. That places them in the approximately tier with the Mariners and Marlins. Below that percentage are the Pirates, A’s and Nationals.

Highest spending teams by percentage of revenue are the Dodgers, Mets, Braves, Phillies, Yankees and Padres.

While it’s an interesting analysis the key component is really the differences by team on the revenue side of things. The haves and have nots are pretty remarkable. For example the Yankees have nearly double the revenue of the Angels and the Angels are in the upper echelon in terms of revenue.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Thanks for posting.

I’m shocked to learn that the majority of teams making the playoffs spend the most money on payroll. Say it ain’t so!  😀 

Fansince1971
Legend
9 days ago

Yes – in actuality if Arte could be made to believe that an investment in a higher % of revenue into payroll would increase revenue he could easily justify going to the same % as the Dodgers. If so, payroll would reach around $270m which would provide a fair amount of flexibility. It’s all about believing that such an investment will pay dividends by increasing revenue- which it would if the Angels fielded a winning team.

Cowboy26
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9 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I was kind of shocked that the Angels have only the 13th highest Angel revenue while residing in the second largest TV market .The expense & revenue numbers also seem suspect to me these payroll expense numbers probably only include payroll for players on the 26 man roster not the entire 26 man roster. What about player benefits mandated by the CBA or monies paid to minor leaguers , These are all payroll expenses

In the case of their stadium lease where the Angels are pretty much responsible for all stadium expenses how is that compared to revenues? Is the revenue figure shown net of stadium expenses? How do they handle revenues from radio broadcasting Considering Arte owns his own radio station?

This list always just seem to beget even more questions.

Fansince1971
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9 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

All good questions. Not sure where to find this information. But I’m interested as well.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

The Angels have the 13th highest payroll in a down year. It would be cool to see this stuff averaged out over a longer time. I know some will see this as “spend money = win team” but it isn’t. That’s stupid. The teams pushing in well over 50% are doing it BECAUSE they are winning teams. They are paying more players in their prime, keeping players, and signing expensive players so they can “go for it”.

The Angels are hoping to get back to this level. But teams can rarely spend their way to it. I am willing to bet that we get well above 50% when we are a real contender because we’ll go spend 20M on a #4 starter because playoffs.

We’ll likely see the Red Sox jump up. They have their core kind of set up now and are in a spot where they have money and a reason to spend it. The Orioles will jump too. The Blue Jays will likely fall back soon.

Angels at “full strength” are probably cruising right around #10 or #9 while they are at #17 (I think) right now….

I’m just proud of the Pirates for beating out a couple teams

Though does any of this matter? We can see from this list the 5 or 6 teams that are meant to win.

Cowboy26
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Fansince1971
Legend
10 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Have to think California will close that loophole. The Franchise Tax Board is known to be extremely aggressive. I imagine California will figure out a way.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Money keeps politicians employed, and changes to the state tax laws require approval by the legislature and Governor. Even if laws are changed, it will be years before it happens. If the laws do actually change, the uber-wealthy have a working list of tax hedges. They’ll just move down the list to the next option.

Cowboy26
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10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

The great state of California is already targeting remote working out of state employees, corporations and LLC that are providing services to California based companies. Not sure how exactly they are going to enforce collections though.

Probably threaten the California based Companies to withhold monies at the issuance of the check?

Fansince1971
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10 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I think the Franchise Tax Board will attempt to go after high worth individuals who earned the money while working in California no matter when the money is actually paid. Whether they will be successful is another discussion. But I doubt California will be satisfied with Ohtani paying tax on $2 mil per season.

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Cowboy26
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9 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

They are already going after non high worth individuals that have chosen to move out of state but continue to work remotely. I have a long time employee who moved to Texas over 3 years ago and continues to work for us but is getting more and more threatening letters from EDD even though she hasn’t set foot in the Golden State since 2021.

Obviously EDD is specifically targeting former residents that have moved to nonstate income tax states. I guess they figure those states wont care if California pursues taxes for wages earned in their state.

Fansince1971
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9 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

California’s long arm is completely BS in my opinion.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

They are talking about taxing people who leave and take their money with them too. A lot of it’s bluster…. but real enough that I know investment managers who have already started moving client money to banks that are regulatorily distanced from California.

Mikeal1st
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10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

CA has tried to tax the pensions of people that move out of state but the courts have ruled they can’t charge people that are not residents. They could probably charge the Dodgers maybe?

Fansince1971
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10 days ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

There’s.a difference between pensions and deferred/delayed payments. Ohtani is, in fact, earning $70m per season even if he is creatively only seeing $2m now. That’s actual earnings not deferred retirement payments. I have zero doubt California will try hard to find a way to get some of that money.

DMAGZ13
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10 days ago

Doubt anything happens until the winter meetings or the Dodgers simply buy more players.

I’d say, the Angels might make one big move if they dump Ward, Anderson and White.

WallyChuckChili
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10 days ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

I live for those minor league deals with ST invites!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Yusei Kikuchi helps the Angels, but he can’t be their big offseason move: Keith Law
Yusei Kikuchi is exactly what the Angels need to be competitors, as long as they also sign three more starters and Juan Soto. And maybe that wouldn’t even be enough.

Kikuchi is a start for the Halos, who return just one starter who made more than 20 starts or threw more than 120 innings last year. That starter was lefty Tyler Anderson, who was pretty bad in the first year of his three-year deal but was above-average by ERA and below-average by FIP in 2024. That’s a long way of saying they had zero reliable starters going into the offseason, defining reliable as someone likely to be average and at least pitch enough to qualify for the ERA title (162 IP). Never mind contention; the Angels were shaping up to be non-competitive.

Since the World Series ended, they’ve traded Griffin Canning (who just had his first full season in the majors in 2024, but had an ERA and FIP over 5) and added Kyle Hendricks (who just had his worst season and might be done). Their rotation, on paper, was one of the worst in the majors, whether we’re talking quality of work or just quantity of innings; their five most likely starters pre-Kikuchi threw a total of 590 innings in 2024, and about 30 percent of those were by the 35-year-old Anderson alone.

That is a roundabout way of saying that Kikuchi can help the Angels even if he’s just an average starter because he’s produced 343 1/3 innings of roughly league-average performance over the past two seasons. He did pitch far, far better than that after Toronto traded him to Houston at the deadline this year, with a 2.70 ERA/3.07 FIP with the Astros, because he completely changed his pitch mix, more than doubling his use of his slider (17 percent to 37 percent), cutting back somewhat on the four-seamer (just under 50 percent to 42 percent), and mostly shelving his curveball (23 percent to just under 10 percent).

Guess what his best pitch is? His slider is effective because it’s very hard, the fifth-hardest velocity among starters’ sliders last year, without a ton of break in either direction. His slider was worth plus-8 runs saved in 2023, and plus-7 in 2024, dropping only because he threw it less in total in the more recent year. He missed bats at a higher rate after the trade, and he allowed fewer balls in play, too. He might be a very different pitcher if the Angels do nothing other than tell him to maintain his post-trade pitch mix.

The Angels went 63-99 and were outscored by 160 runs in 2024, so it’s going to take a lot more than adding Kikuchi (who, replacing Canning, might be worth two to three more wins by himself) and Jorge Soler (acquired for Canning, and who might be a two-win upgrade if they just DH him) to make them a .500 club. A healthy Mike Trout would do more good than either of these moves, although that’s obviously beyond their control.

If the intention is to contend, however, they need to do a lot more — sign another starter or preferably two, and add some more offense basically anywhere but catcher, shortstop, or left field. There is no reason on earth for the Angels to skip the Juan Soto sweepstakes, even if no one believes he’ll sign there. They should be in heavy on Max Fried and Jack Flaherty at the very least. Otherwise, the three-year deal for Kikuchi makes the team a marginally better contender for fourth place.
~ Keith Law

Fansince1971
Legend
10 days ago

“ Yusei Kikuchi is exactly what the Angels need to be competitors, as long as they also sign three more starters and Juan Soto.”

Can anyone see Arte agreeing to a $275m-$300m payroll? 😂

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Roy Hobbs
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

You are correct but Keith Law is also absolutely right. That is what would be required to be competitive. I like Soto but it doesn’t make sense to tie up that much money in one player. I would rather have two really good players.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I would like Alonso and Bregman, or something similar. In two years, Rendon being gone would pay for most of it.

Turk's Teeth
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Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Law is just trolling. But not without justification.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Yes he’s trolling.

His justification requires zero embellishment. The flaws on the team are real and very easy to see.

Turk's Teeth
Editor
Super Member
10 days ago

Any interest in Mike Tauchman? Can play all three OF positions, is a lefty, and has delivered similar offensive value to Ward the past two seasons – less power, more OBP. Has some experience leading off.

Seems like a very affordable 4th OF who could be had on a short contract. More positional flexibility should Ward be traded.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

That would be another fine depth move but wouldn’t actually make them better.

Turk's Teeth
Editor
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I’m not expecting anything transformative – just looking at moves that notch the team up to a .500 record in 2025, build on the farm without trading from it, and look to 2027 for contention.

Pineapple12
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Out of curiosity, when you say look to 2027 for contention– does that include relying on Trout for anything?

Last edited 10 days ago by Pineapple12
Turk's Teeth
Editor
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Not significantly. 2027 is when Rendon comes off the roster, though, which justifies more FA investment for an actual run, whatever the sunk cost of Trout’s salary.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
10 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I’m already worried that for 2027 when using the Rendon money we’ll simply sign the next wrong guy

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

I’m sure we’ll Free Agent some, but i also hope that by 2027 we are looking to lock up some young players.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Hobbsy. Give the FK up man. We aren’t gonna be any good this year. Even if we signed Bregman and Alonso cause “Rendon gone two years” we would still not be good this year, just a better bad. And all these guys you want to sign because you fear a crap 2025 will be old and expensive by the time we are good again…. just like Rendon.

Cowboy26
Legend
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Tauchman grades out average to favorable as an outfielder the last 2 years (much better in center than in the corners) according to the Fielding bible DRS rankings.

Although we desperately need more viable left handed bats since we are much much more dominant against LHP’s than RHP’s ( adding Soler, Newman and D’arnaud certainly have not mitigated this issue) but offensively Tauchman offers little or no power and for someone with a high OBP hes not really a base stealer so it seems like to me we would just be adding another Nolan Schaunel to the lineup. But maybe we pick him up as a fourth outfielder to spell some of our rickety old outfielders or clankers?

Ironically, Jo Adell grades out much more favorably from a defensive standpoint( I still cant believe he was GG finalist) and certainly has the power and considering Adell’s numbers since ditching the leg kick in Early July last year were more than respectable (.253/.341/.440 in 170 AB ) are we better off trying to work more with him?

BTW if you’re looking for a lead off hitter we already have one. His name is Jorge Soler. Atlanta already figured it out last year when they reacquired him and quickly slotted him own the top of the order where he hit .276/.386/.513 in 184 plate Appearances. it was by far his best stats among batting positions last year as well as his career stats where he has maintained a .368 OBP and plenty of power in the leadoff role

Unfortunately under most all of these scenarios there isn’t going to be alot of base stealing on this ball club

Last edited 10 days ago by Cowboy26
Roy Hobbs
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I like the idea of Soler leading off but he’ll probably hit 4th on this team. You could hit Rengifo 2nd and Trout 3rd. But then you have no one to hit 4th or 5th hitters. Our line up is going to look a lot like last year with players being depended upon to do things they aren’t really suited for. They’re still two hitters short.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Yes. Tauchman’s a really good fit for us. Better than Austin Riley.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
11 days ago

I like the additions Perry has made so far. They make the team a little deeper and improve the potentially improve the starting pitching. They do not however, in my opinion, make the club competitive. I don’t believe the Angels will be competitive until they have middle of the order bats at 1B and 3B. If they were to add those, I would like their chances to make the post season. To get the players you need would require the loss of a draft choice, but would possibly make the team an annual postseason candidate and and give them 5 years to draft, acquire, and develop younger players. It would also cost a lot for the next 2 years until Rendon goes off the books, but they would sell lots of jerseys.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Perry has raised the floor and nothing else thus far.

Mia
Legend
Mia
11 days ago

You’re not seeing it from his POV.

Getting Trout and Rendon back is the same as signing two big bats!

Last edited 11 days ago by Mia
Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Mia

Silly me for forgetting about that 🤣

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Mia

 🙄 

bigviz
Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Sadly, our biggest “free agent signing” for the next five years is Mike Trout coming back better than ever in the best shape of his career.

Cowboy26
Legend
10 days ago
Reply to  bigviz

*assuming that his body doesn’t continue to fall apart.

Good luck with that.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  bigviz

He’s in the proverbial “best shape of his career” every year. Maybe expending all that effort in the offseason is the problem.

Maybe it’s time for a morbidly obese Trout to waddle into Tempe chain smoking Lucky Strikes in-between gulps of Lagavulin 16?

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
11 days ago

these are the same players we’ve added every year, with different names

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
11 days ago

Pretty much.

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I like either of those two over Evan White.

2002heaven
Super Member
11 days ago

Go Wolverines!!!!

WallyChuckChili
Legend
10 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I knew a break was to good to be true

Cowboy26
Legend
11 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Why not sign kim too ?

But seriously Newman is probably a much better signing for the value. MLBTR projects Hyeseong Kim receiving a 3 year deal for $24 million. thats a helluva lot more than Newmans $2.5 million contract next year (with an $2.5 million 2026 option or a $250K buyout).

Hyeseong Kim’s comp has to be the Padres Ha-Seong Kim who signed out of the same Korean league (and played for the same Korean teams for that matter) Ha-Seong was a year younger when he joined MLB than Hyeseong will be but put up numbers of .294/.373/493 in 6+ seasons for the Nexen and Kiboom KBO teams.While his glove work has been fantastic and hopefully he recovers completely from shoulder surgery Ha-Seong Major League slash line has been a disappointing .242/.326/.380.

Hyeseong’s 7+ seasons for both Nexen & Kiboom ( yes they were teammates for at least 4 seasons) yielded a KBO slash line of .304/.364/.403 with about 30 SB’s a season. Obviously Hyeseong has much less power but is much faster than Ha-seong but their KBO averages and OBP’s were virtually identical . So I just dont see Hyeseong’s OPS breaking .700. I have no idea how his glove is but other than some extra stolen bases Newman will probably hit similarly (his last 3 years yielded an average OPS of .270/.313/.371 with 8 stolen bases each season. Obviously this is why I believe Newman is a better bargain without having to worry about the player going through an adjustment player which severely plagued Ha-seong in 2021.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Good stuff 26.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I had both Kim’s once.

That was a Spring Break to remember!

Cowboy26
Legend
10 days ago

But could either one of them pitch?

WallyChuckChili
Legend
10 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Depends on the type of pitch you are looking for

Turk's Teeth
Editor
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I really liked the Newman signing – probably the safest and most cost-efficient one Minasian’s made this winter. Should deliver $2.5M in value with his glove alone, is a decent baserunner, and one year + team option is the friendliest contract type in the sport.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Credit where credit is due. The moves he’s made have been solid in my opinion. Just not nearly enough to make a difference.

Turk's Teeth
Editor
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

2027.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I agree with what you’re saying, just saying that nothing so far inspires me to go watch them play, and right now I don’t believe they are a .500 team. we’ll have to see what they do this year with trades and drafting.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

They will likely not be a .500 team unless a lot of things go very right. They don’t need to be .500 now. They need to settle on about 12 cost controlled young players that don’t suck.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

2027 is only viable if the pitching prospects (Detmers and Dana) develop

halofansince1978
Super Member
11 days ago

So…is everybody else s poop head today?

max
Trusted Member
max
11 days ago

2002 and his 22 other accounts are taking some time off

2002heaven
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  max

I’m starting on Monday
still watching Michigan vs Ohio St today

WallyChuckChili
Legend
10 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Well then I gladly pay you Tuesday for a Hamburger today.

milehigh
Newbie
9 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Buckeye born and raised, but I’ll give credit when due. That’s why I’m creating a GoFundMe to induct Ryan Day into the Michigan hall of fame. Anything you can contribute would help.

CAoldskoll
Trusted Member
12 days ago

Goodbye Brandon Crawford. Great career as one of the best defensive shortstops during his time. Part of 3 WS victories and a team USA WBC. Wish he didn’t play for Cards last year, ruined his one team legacy for the Giants.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

Hope everyone had a very nice holiday!

Regarding the Dodgers – the link mentioned the “creative accounting” the Dodgers continue to use. This reality is a competitive differentiator in positioning the team to sustain a multi-year championship legacy that could rival the Yankees heydays.

I’m envious of their ability to hire and retain the front office administrative talent to support baseball operations.

halofansince1978
Super Member
12 days ago

78 Days!!

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