LA Angels Tuesday News Crash – Crashing the Pearly Gates

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Fansince1971

1 hour ago

JJ has suggested that there may be a new sheriff in town and that MO actually has some control over player-personnel decisions.

I think there will be a significant test of that hypothesis at the upcoming trade deadline. There is no reason that any GM with a desire to improve the Club long-term would keep the tradable pieces as long as there are decent prospects on the table. This team is not going to “compete” as built and needs to be broken down and rebuilt. If this does not happen at the trade deadline, I think the most likely explanation would be Arte not allowing Mo to make the trades. This would be just a continuation of the “compete” narrative that we have heard for the last decade-plus.

If Mo is allowed to make the trades and focus on rebuilding the minor league system, then I may start believing that there is change in the air.

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Jeff Joiner

1 hour ago

Reply to Fansince1971

This is the trial period.

Either Arte lets Mo put his stamp on the organization or Mo walks. We’ll know at the end of the year.

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TrojanBoiler

22 minutes ago

Reply to Fansince1971

One caveat to that is Mo did talk a bit in his mid-game interview about the value of our tradeable players. He mentioned that all of the legitimate trade pieces have multiple years of control left which can complicate the valuation of what they are worth. Also mentioned that these types of players typically get traded in the off-season whereas the deadline is mostly rental players.

I took that to mean that he recognizes we should be getting extra value back in return. If teams aren’t offering enough, he may not be willing to trade.

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Roy Hobbs

16 minutes ago

Reply to TrojanBoiler

True. But since none of the players we would be trading have contracts after this year, they are by definition, all rentals.

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Jeff Joiner

59 seconds ago

Reply to TrojanBoiler

Mo is also a GM who needs to play the game and make sure he publicly states the right things. He wants to get good value for his players. Best way is to act like he might not trade them.

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grichmanpoorman

1 hour ago

With even Rhett “House Scribe” Bollinger framing his game coverage in trade-value terms, I guess it’s a fait accompli. I’ll miss Soriano the most. It was a long, turbulent, exciting road with him, from obscure prospect arm to Rule 5 write-off to TJ reclamation project to rotation stud. I’ll miss his ridiculous knuckle-curve (one of the game’s great wipeout pitches, when it’s on) and composed, cool-ass mound demeanor. Wish it could have ended differently. Wish there were more points of light over the last 10 years of Angels fandom, less disappointment and regret.

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milehigh

2 hours ago

In other news, the Angels have a pro scout. Or had.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7459490/2026/07/21/angels-scout-fired-rockies-film-baseball-spy/?campaign=19001728&source=athletic_thewindup_newsletter&userId=27252571

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Pineapple12

2 hours ago

Woah 💣👀👀

6. Zach Neto, SS, Los Angeles Angels

Chance of being traded: 30%
Rest-of-season impact: High
Years of control: Three more years after 2026

The buzz: The Angels are at the very least listening, which is more than they’ve done at past deadlines, and 25-year-old Neto is an awfully intriguing option when Jeremy Pena’s and CJ Abrams’ availability at shortstop is in question.

The biggest curiosity in the industry right now is just how much Angels owner Arte Moreno will allow interim general manager John Mozeliak to maneuver — and if the full rebuild the team needs can start to happen under a temporary employee. Mozeliak is a veteran of trade deadline navigation and the winner of a World Series in St. Louis, so he’s capable of executing any deal. And the return on Neto would be enormous. Four-win shortstops are not easy to come by, and Neto has consistently proved himself just that — with room to grow.

The scouting report: Neto has been quietly very productive, the shortstop hitting ninth best in the league over the past three seasons (15% above average at the plate), while ranking fifth in homers (68) and stealing 69 bases.

He’s a solid runner with a good arm but comes up a bit short in defensive metrics for his range, especially going up the middle (minus-16 runs in that area over the past three seasons).

Neto’s spot on the power/contact spectrum and his range up the middle are the only two questions for teams to think about when acquiring him for his three-plus remaining control years.

Best fits: Boston, Atlanta, Toronto, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, New York Yankees

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/49082474/ranking-mlb-trade-deadline-candidates-top-100-skubal-chapman-peralta-arraez

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Roy Hobbs

2 hours ago

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We should move all 3. I actually don’t think it will make any difference in the team’s performance although it might improve it depending on what we get back. Hard to believe we could be any worse than having the worse record and the only place to go is up.

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Pineapple12

2 hours ago

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@TurksAI
How many top 100 prospects do we think we can get back for Neto, Detmers, and Soriano?

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HalosFanForLife

1 hour ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Not Turks – but it really depends based on BTV. For Neto for instance, Red Sox could give us Ayanson and Azocar – and still need to throw in a sweetener. But if we wanted Arias – we’d need to throw in a sweetener. On paper that is. The number 100 prospect – Murf Gray is only 9.3 BTV and number one is Made with 76.8. We currently have Neto at 61.4, Detmers at 59.3 and Soriano at 41.

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Pineapple12

54 minutes ago

Reply to HalosFanForLife

Very helpful, thanks!

So depending on the teams willing to trade with us and their prospect pools, anywhere between 4-10 top 100 prospects? Sign me up.

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HalosFanForLife

41 minutes ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I’m going to say 6 or 7. 😂 (Stupid thing will never die)

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2pints

1 hour ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I can’t see Arte ok’ing a Neto trade. Arte loves position players, and he knows he needs players to put on banners and billboards. I think he sees Neto as a keeper.

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TrojanBoiler

1 hour ago

Reply to 2pints

This is probably a good assessment. I will be shocked if Neto is traded.

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HalosFanForLife

58 minutes ago

Reply to 2pints

Those shorts have to go. Can’t stand them.

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YOUknowulovetheIE

1 hour ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Neto to 2nd would solve that range up the middle issue, no?

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DMAGZ13

3 hours ago

Atlanta has resurrected Victor Medieros another Perry folly. Arte’s ownership travesties overshadowed how bad Perry was at roster management. The rare case of the boss being so bad that it overshadowed how worse middle management is.

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Fansince1971

3 hours ago

Reply to DMAGZ13

Was Perry really that bad or is this Org simply awful at developing and improving players. It’s an open question. If your Org is awful, it really doesn’t matter whom you draft. All prospects come with warts and need developing and refining. If the Org does not do that, no GM will be successful.

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GonFishin

3 hours ago

Reply to Fansince1971

That’s still not a good excuse. As the GM, Perry was also in charge of what minor league affiliation they played in, when a player could be called up, sent down, or released. And judging from his post game comments, it sounds like he wasn’t happy with the information being passed to him about how often to throw his fastball. That is 100% on the general manager.

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Fansince1971

3 hours ago

Reply to GonFishin

Well – yes, and no. Picture you are the GM. You see systemic problems that require substantial infrastructure and personnel investment. You go to Arte and say this is what you suggest. Arte says he’s not spending that money. What’s the GM to do?

I don’t know if that was a consistent reality but it certainly could be with what we know. Under that hypothetical, what could Perry do other than quit?

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TrojanBoiler

2 hours ago

Reply to Fansince1971

I think you can split the difference.

Lack of investment in scouting and development sits squarely with Arte. And I it’s one of the biggest defects of the Angels organization as a whole.

Perry is responsible for not recognizing talent/potential and subjecting Medieros to waivers in favor of keeping losers like Shaun Anderson and others on the 40-man.

Medieros not developing is more of an Arte problem. Medieros being on the Atlanta roster is a Perry problem.

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Fansince1971

2 hours ago

Reply to TrojanBoiler

That’s fair. I can live with 50/50 although I’m inclined to put at least 70% on Arte and his goons.

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TrojanBoiler

2 hours ago

Reply to Fansince1971

He hired Perry (and extended him!) so I he’s a partial owner of Perry’s failures as well. 70% sounds fair to me.

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MH252525

56 minutes ago

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I think this one in particular falls on Perry. Mederos showed promise in AAA last year. People he was keeping on the roster, like Shaun Anderson have never shown any inkling of long term pitching ability. Plus he had Yates, Suter and others on the roster who will have no chance of being good when the Angels might be competitive again.

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Pineapple12

3 hours ago

Reply to Fansince1971

It’s becoming clearer and clearer how bad Perry was at his job. His tenure in Anaheim is indefensible.

— someone who tried defending Perry for years

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HalosFanForLife

3 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

But here’s what is wild – he may get a boost in execution if his draft picks pan out and he’s still going to go down as severely failed. I do think the fish rots from the head – and a change in leadership that manifests through the organization could pay huge dividends. I do believe we’ve been terrible at development and pretty darn bad in the US draft. They did okay on the international market – but our development has not gotten it done.

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Pineapple12

3 hours ago

Reply to HalosFanForLife

He definitely deserves credit for reviving LATAM presence and some draft picks, but that’s about it.

His FA signings are so bad you would’ve thought he was trolling. I need to find the tweet that matches each signing with their WAR as an Angel

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Fansince1971

3 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

As long as you don’t excuse Arte as primarily responsible I can accept all thought processes.

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HalosFanForLife

3 hours ago

Reply to Fansince1971

That’s the king fish.

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MarineLayer

1 hour ago

Reply to Fansince1971

Of course this is true. The combination of them together could not have been worse.

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TrojanBoiler

2 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I also defended him for years and put a lot of it on Arte. I have come around and realized that Perry was also absolutely terrible at his job.

Worst of both worlds. No wonder this team is in the crapper.

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MarineLayer

1 hour ago

Reply to Pineapple12

As someone who disparaged Minasian early, I’m glad to see his utter incompetence come to light more clearly.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

3 hours ago

Reply to Fansince1971

It’s all. Poor player development, poor leadership and poor talent management

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HalosFanForLife

3 hours ago

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But good parking. Very good parking.

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Jeff Joiner

1 hour ago

Reply to Fansince1971

Both.

Arte hired the wrong GM who drafted the wrong players then hired the wrong development people to coach them up.

The trail of suck started with ownership, went through the front office, and all the way down to the field.

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HalosFanForLife

38 minutes ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

See 1971, JJ still got it.

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Pineapple12

3 hours ago

Reply to DMAGZ13

DFAd Mederos in order to call up Shaun Manbunderson for mop up duties that Mederos was deemed unfit for lol.

You’d think if I could realize Mederos’ potential so would the GM who drafted him, but alas 🕊️💔

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Pineapple12

4 hours ago

Nolan Schanuel is on a heater. Since 6/9 —

118 PA
.340 / .433 / .447
11% K rate
12.7% BB rate

I specifically chose to pull numbers after he returned from injury, but if I zoomed out a bit further to 5/17 it would look even more impressive. Nolan has special bat-to-ball skills and is by far and away the best hitter on this team, it isn’t even up for debate anymore.

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HalosFanForLife

3 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I’ve been watching him climb up – and he’s a guy I don’t want to see moved. Conventional 1B numbers? No. But when you can get HR’s out of every other position now – I’ll take a guy that consistently posts.

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AngelsFanInHell

3 hours ago

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Time to go.

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YOUknowulovetheIE

1 hour ago

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Schanuel would be a 30+ hr guy if he was a yankee

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HalosFanForLife

56 minutes ago

Reply to YOUknowulovetheIE

Probably correct. Good point.

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AngelsFanInHell

3 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Trade him now before he crumbles back into oblivion. He will only break your heart.

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HalosFanForLife

3 hours ago

Reply to AngelsFanInHell

Nobody is off limits if we want to turn this around, I just don’t think you get much for him. He’s only 24. Still a lot of upside.

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Pineapple12

3 hours ago

Reply to AngelsFanInHell

Na. He’s improved YoY and his skill set gives him a high floor with less of a propensity to long slumps. Plug him at 1st for the next decade and chill.

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HalosFanForLife

3 hours ago

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Agree – I think his floor is pretty high and has a solid foundation. Might be an Arraez type that never gets the massive payday – but gets nice paydays for years to come.

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angelslogic

4 hours ago

Schanuel started the 9th-inning rally last night with a single, right after Trout struck out. Go figure.

Among first baseman he is 5th in batting average (.282) and 10th in OBP (.353). He’s no Freddy Freeman but he ain’t chopped liver either.

That single showed just how important consistent ball contact can be.

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YOUknowulovetheIE

1 hour ago

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Trout needs glasses

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steelgolf

4 hours ago

Jeff Kent gets into the Hall of Fame and Bobby Grich is left in no man’s land. Yuck.

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HalosFanForLife

4 hours ago

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Grich and Whitaker both belong in. So does Schilling – who totally got hosed.

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HalosFanForLife

4 hours ago

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On Schilling – I wonder if Ty Cobb or Rogers Hornsby would be inducted by today’s voters. Ted Williams for that matter.

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steelgolf

3 hours ago

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Most likely Cobb, Hornsby , and Williams would not have made it in. Schilling absolutely should be in for his baseball accomplishments.

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JackFrost

3 hours ago

Reply to HalosFanForLife

Yep. Cobb very much falls in the Pete Rose and Barry Bonds camp…. These are not kind or good people. While it is true that the Hall is not about off the field character, the media types who do the voting are human beings, so why shouldn’t they be influenced by human issues ?

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Charles Sutton

3 hours ago

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Hornsby was an A-hole who gambled constantly on horse racing. He just never got caught gambling on baseball.

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HalosFanForLife

3 hours ago

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He was also a KKK supporter. So was Tris Speaker.

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MarineLayer

1 hour ago

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Bad politics should not be a didqualifier.

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Jeff Joiner

57 minutes ago

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There are politics and then there’s supporting the KKK. Granted that was a different time, but still.

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HalosFanForLife

51 minutes ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I just can’t stand the self righteousness in the voting. Schilling should totally be in and I have zero respect for voters who didn’t vote for him for his politics. Zero. None. Zilch.

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2pints

26 minutes ago

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I wonder how many of the voters are Jewish and have a tough time voting him in due to his extensive collection of Nazi memorabilia.

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HalosFanForLife

12 minutes ago

Reply to 2pints

And that’s where the problem lies. People judging a person and not the performance. He claims to have a WWII collection – which is true – with some of it having Nazi gear. I don’t want to say I would be totally unbiased if I was voting – but I would try to look at performance. Of course, I might fill in different blanks if I didn’t like the guy – but I’d want to get the baseball performance stuff right first and foremost. A fringe guy – I’d probably lean against him if I didn’t like him. But Schilling was way past being on the fringe. They got it wrong.

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HalosFanForLife

11 minutes ago

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And that’s where the problem lies. People judging a person and not the performance. He claims to have a WWII collection – which is true – with some of it having Nazi gear. I don’t want to say I would be totally unbiased if I was voting – but I would try to look at performance. Of course, I might fill in different blanks if I didn’t like the guy – but I’d want to get the baseball performance stuff right first and foremost. A fringe guy – I’d probably lean against him if I didn’t like him. But Schilling was way past being on the fringe. They got it wrong.

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HalosFanForLife

3 hours ago

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Kind or good people? Then why are they parading Barry Bonds around during All Star games? And yes – I get that Rose gambled. Don’t gamble kids.

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JackFrost

2 hours ago

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Not just about gambling with Rose…. like Bonds he was an a-hole towards media etc.. For his part Bonds was also an a-hole towards Clubhouse attendants and the like… You reap what you sow as the saying goes…

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MarineLayer

1 hour ago

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If Bonds were only an a-hole, as he clearly was, that would not disqualify him. Using enough drugs to turn himself into a comic book character is the sole reason. I still can’t believe they let his tainted “records” stand.

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JackFrost

2 hours ago

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Why ? They are parading him at the HR Derby and All Star Game because he’s the All Time HR Leader ! I think that should be pretty obvious.

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HalosFanForLife

2 hours ago

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You mean that baseball performance stat? 😏

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HalosFanForLife

2 hours ago

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My biggest gripe is Bud Selig got in – basically encouraging – the steroids era – under his watch. You don’t get in that position by being stupid. They all knew – and they turned a blind eye because HR’s were putting butts in seats and in front of the TV.

Angels hitting instructor Brady Anderson showed how clean lifting could get you stronger. No need for roids. 😂

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JackFrost

2 hours ago

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Yes, I agree on Selig …. there was alot of hypocrisy…. testing but only enforcing selectively…

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MarineLayer

1 hour ago

Reply to HalosFanForLife

Since that was his skill, why doesn’t he have our guys following his lead. Seriously, I have no idea why he was hired, and we should find someone better along with a new manager ASAP.

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HalosFanForLife

48 minutes ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Maybe they should try Sosa next? LOL

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MarineLayer

1 hour ago

Reply to JackFrost

Cobb did not use steroids or gamble on games. If he did, he does not belong in.

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JackFrost

1 hour ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Big Pappi used steroids and he is in.

Just saying.

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Jeff Joiner

56 minutes ago

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To me this is the asinine part:

The least valuable roider is in (Papi) while the far more valuable roiders of Bonds and Clemes are out.

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JackFrost

38 minutes ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Yep, Major League Baseball treats the Red Sox the same way FIFA treats Argentina. They have a different set of rules. This includes allowing umpires and refs to cheat on their behalf !

Interestingly, each team has a pompous, abrasive and obnoxious fanbase and a racist culture in their city/country. I don’t know what this means but I find it interesting…

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HalosFanForLife

9 minutes ago

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I just found out how racist their general culture seems to be. It’s crazy in this day and age.

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1 hour ago

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