If I Was Perry Minasian 2024-2025 Edition

Welcome to this year’s edition of putting on your Angels GM hat and building this ballclub. The Angels are coming off a franchise worst record of 63-99 and in need of help all over the diamond. But, thanks to adding some arms at the trade deadline and some good first round picks in recent years might actually have some help internally. The staff will start rolling out our writeups soon, but as always we want this to be a group activity.

Here are the ground rules for the series:

Arte has said payroll will increase from last year’s $193 million. We’ll take him at his word to a degree but not expect anything crazy so the payroll limit is $200 million.

Current payroll is projected to be $168 million after the Jorge Soler trade. That figure from Spotrac includes projected salaries for the arbitration eligible players. You can add payroll room by non-tendering an arbitration eligible player. As we are using the Spotrac numbers for payroll, please subtract their projected salary in the event you non-tender or trade an arbitration eligible player.

For top 50 free agents, use the salaries on either the FanGraphs projection piece or the MLBTR projection piece. You can mix and match to make your math work if need be.

For free agents that fall outside of the top 50, be realistic. If you can cite a contract for a similar player in your piece that is a bonus.

Make trades as realistic as possible. Baseballtradevalues.com isn’t perfect but it is the best third party site to use for trade scenarios. Note this year they have moved to a pay model but if you type in your player’s name on the Trade Board search tool you can find trades made by other members and see your player’s trade value.

So, start rosterbating and let’s see what you got.

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PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 month ago

I hate to be THAT guy but…

I just don’t see this team competing anytime soon. The Angels organizational depth is very poor and they haven’t recently demonstrated the ability to effectively develop talent or outmaneuver their competition. Any dollars spent will just be window dressing so that Arte can convince the fanbase to invest again. If that’s depressing to hear, know that it depresses me as well.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

That is the challenge

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

IIWPM I would tell Arte he has two choices. 1) Extend me an additional year so that I could shoot to compete the year after Rendon’s contract is gone while being being as respectable as we could for the next two seasons without interfering with the plan for 2027, or 2) Spend a boat load of money if you are serious about competing before then.

My fear, of course, is that they will do neither and will be just like they’ve been before last year, hanging around .500. Not good enough to be a contender but good enough to not draft high enough to get better.

Erstad with the catch
Member
1 month ago

Next season is already lost. The question is whether you contend in 2026 or 2027.

The Angels need to sign Neto to a long term deal before the season starts. A 5 WAR/ year shortstop is some one you can build around. Give him 6/100M, which buys out 2 years of free agency and still lets him test the market at the age of 30.

The Angels should trade Ward this offseason. He’s got 2 years of control left. He’s more valuable to another team.

The most valuable trade chip with have right now is Ben Joyce. It’s only a matter of time before his arm explodes, plus very few relievers are consistent. The odds of him being on the next contending team aren’t great. You set your price (ie top 100 prospect or two) and see if anyone bites.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

I disagree with paying players before you have to but I agree with your other points and you are probably correct that Ben Joyce’s greatest value is the next 2 years and he probably won’t be healthy when we actually need him. He would be of incredible value to a contending team. He is a great trade chip. We won’t do it because we don’t think like that, but that is a great idea. Ward also has good value for a winning team for the next 2 years and we could put Lugo in LF. I would be OK with trading Ward, Rengifo, Joyce, and Detmers (depending on what you can get for him) for prospects and tanking again next year.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
1 month ago

For what I have seen, if the Angels want to try to compete in 2025 or 2026, the two best upside moves they can make at the designated values are: Walker Buehler 2 years, $30 million; Shane Bieber, 2 years $24 million.

If they work out, you have a pitching staff in 2026 and maybe 2025. Bieber is likely out until July/August 2025, but he’s a stud when healthy. Combine that with Soriano, Detmers, Kochaniewicz, etc. and you may have something.

The bullpen becomes an array of prove-it arms except for Joyce and Quijada who I basically trust. I would bring back Garcia who was effective here before his trade. That’s low dollars at age 38.

If we can clear out payroll by moving Moniak, Suarez, and Davis Daniel for whatever, I’m looking at Kim from SD to play second base. That puts us a little over the pricing perhaps. But you tell Rengifo he will split his time at 3B and OF, and you have Neto and Kim in the middle until Moore is ready. This also allows Adams to maybe get some time in the OF here and there when needed. Plus you get an overseas player to perhaps add to the fanbase that took a hit when Ohtani left. Different country but at least there may be an overseas following.

These moves give you a pitching staff in at least 2026 so you have two years to dedicate to more youth everywhere including in pitching. If/when you can move Sandoval, you do and save that money.

I don’t see many other options I like. If I could, I would work Jakob Junis in somewhere, but pricing seems to prevent that unless we are playing Rengifo and Kingery at 2B which might be the plan. If so, Junis becomes a quality bullpen piece.

Obviously the team doctors need to sign off on both Buehler and Bieber.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Angelstan

If we don’t trade him, I’d think it’s a grand idea to train up Rengifo for more OF innings. The more guys we can rotate through different spots the better.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Angelstan

That’s a lot to think about. I’m only ok with signing players if they’re off the books in two years when Rendon goes off.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Both pitchers would be. Kim can be signed and traded later when Moore is ready.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

So 32M to spend. That’s not enough to really even get us 81 wins. It’s going to be another very long year. This will be a lot more fun 2 years from now. when we might have 70M or 80M to spend. But good luck everyone.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

The problem is most non tenders create a hole that then needs to be filled. The farm is not good enough to replace players meaningfully. So it’s just one gaping hole after another and not enough money to really do anything of meaning. At least in the short term.

To put it another way, IIWPM, I would be targeting’27-‘28 and trading anything that was tradable for young players who might pan out in the future. In other words a complete rebuild.

halofansince1978
Super Member
1 month ago

IIWPM I would resign, because this gig is playing havoc on his resume. `;~}}

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Nah, he’s got to be better than his brother now! Renewed vigor!

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Can’t wait boys!!! I’ve already started and I’ve got a doosy of a trade for you to light up and tell me how much of an idiot I am!!! YEEEE HAW!

Fansince1971
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Let me guess – Rendon for a really great productive infielder 😂

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Spoiler, I actually think I found a Rendon trade partner that makes sense to both teams involved.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Kris Bryant? The trade SIMs literally have like three players we can trade him for and one of those is Trout…..

steelgolf
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

You are trading Rendone to the USC school of Medicine as a test subject?

FungoAle
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

I think you should try to accumulate a roster full of Dirt Bags

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

That would be a fun one to try and do!!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

This year. TootieToo. You can do it bro. You can even bring Joc Pederson into the fold. The power is yours. Less talk more rock my man. Show all these lesser minds what lurks behind those huge eyes.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
1 month ago

we all know Tootie only claims we should have signed some guy *after* he has a good season.

I see Eovaldi turned down his $20mil option so if we were really going to upgrade starting pitching the low end is right there. But I got a haircut today and some old dude came in. He was told it would be $32 and was asked it that were ok. “Not really”, he said, “but I guess it is what it is”. From my chair I piped up “it’s 2024 now. You can’t get bubble gum for a penny”.

I think Arte is like that old guy. “$20mil plus for a pitcher? That’s outrageous! Perry, find someone for $8mil” And that’s what we’re gonna get.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

I haven’t even read the rules yet.

But I have to disagree with what ever you guys said the payroll will be. If Arte is committed to winning it will be 50 millions more than that. And he said we will compete. And I can’t be expected to research cheap free agents. So I’m gonna go over it. Freedom.

red floyd
Legend
1 month ago

He didn’t say WHAT we would be competing for…

Fansince1971
Legend
1 month ago

Can we get a group subscription to Baseball Trade Values?

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

So I’m in for this and thinking about getting one with a usermane crashingthegates. Jeff, if I share the log in info with you, would you be willing to manage who you give it out to?

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