LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Ippei-Back

Who will claim the Angels final bench spot? Is the injury situation with Rengifo going to improve the chances of Adrianza or Soto? I am really hoping that Sandoval was “working on something” in those crappy spring training starts of his. He starts opening day this year, apparently having been selected over Griffin Canning. Sam Bachman will start the season on the injured list but the Angels hope to have him back sooner rather than later.

I couldn’t find any Angels on this list of ten players likely to regress in 2024. It still could be a rough season, though.

Royals left-hander Asa Lacey will miss the 2024 season and some of 2025 due to Tommy John surgery.

Dodgers Related Miscellaneous

Some numbskull phoned in a bomb threat for game 1 of the Padres-Dodgers Seoul series. The Dodgers just placed four pitchers on the 10 day injured list. Shades of Taylor Featherston. Currently a Dodger, Miguel Rojas comes under a rather withering attack from Jazz Chisholm Jr. for his conduct while he was a Marlin. Could the Dodgers turn into a train wreck this year? They just fired Ippei Mizuhara for allegedly stealing millions of dollars from Shohei Ohtani to deal with gambling debts he owed to alleged illegal bookie Matthew Bowyer.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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You could literally find six dead hookers in Ohtani’s pool with “I killed these bitches, signed Shohei Ohtani” in Sharpie scrawled on each, autographs authenticated and all, and the MLB wouldn’t ban Ohtani at this point cause MOOOOOOOOOO goes the cash cow.

And seriously, who gives a fk what team he was on while this was happening? How would the Doyers or Angels know about this ahead of time?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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You know you’ve reached maximum “Complain about anything” altitude when we’re seeing people have a problem with us NOT signing JD Martinez.

matthiasstephan
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23 days ago

I have seen Justin Turner and JD Martinez compared based on the contracts they received – but I would have still preferred JT for the flexibility and think that is why his higher salary is justified (despite JD’s better bat).

clover_black
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23 days ago

We’re witnessing Arte quiet quitting.

still can’t figure out $33 mil to Stephenson if this was the approach tho.

Last edited 23 days ago by clover_black
Roy Hobbs
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23 days ago
Reply to  clover_black

Yes the Stephenson contract is the one thing that is not like the others. Almost begs the question, “Did he change his mind” after that signing.

Turk's Teeth
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23 days ago
Reply to  clover_black

The prices on quality pieces this year feel historically low – like the best bargains in a generation. The guaranteed money to Stephenson was half of what Snell cost in the end – and the Angels have a supplemental selection to soften the blow of a lost second rounder.

Could have stayed under the luxury tax while acquiring Snell, Martinez and one of Clevinger or Montgomery, and still let the kids play, with the ability to flip a pitcher for left infield depth.

That would definitely be a team with a fighting chance at the wild card.

Feels like the biggest offseason troll since the 2014 Blanton Four. I guess it is the tenth anniversary of that.

Angels2020Champs
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23 days ago
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But would any of those guys want to sign here for similar amounts ?

Turk's Teeth
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23 days ago

Martinez just signed with the Mets, the Angels of the East. Tax implications roughly the same as in California.

Snell signed in California, and gave many indications he was interested in the Angels before he went to the Giants.

Clevinger still seems desperate for a gig, and relayed through his agent that he only wants one year. He’s an injury risk, but the Angels are a rotation injury or two away from Kenny Rosenberg.

Montgomery might not want to sign with the Angels, and may cost too many years. But I bet he has to swallow salt and take a deal, after opening day.

FungoAle
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23 days ago
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Signing pitchers this late will mean they are running up hill to catch-up and may not ever get there. I don’t have the data but has any arm signed after the year started produced at a career level?

Turk's Teeth
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23 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Snell is probably two weeks behind, given he’s been throwing all spring. I mean, if he doesn’t pitch until mid-April, the team has the same rotation they are “contending” with now until that point. The capital risk is soooo low, given how much excess value a healthy Snell has in this pitching-scarce market.

I think Angels fans are just utterly defeatist at this point … if folks are really saying “I’m not going to acquire one of the best pitchers in the game at historically low cost, with little to no impact to the team’s youth development, because it may take him 2-3 weeks to ramp up.”

Fansince1971
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23 days ago
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Look, I don’t know for sure, but I don’t think any of these guys want to play for the Angels. Beyond that I don’t think Arte is willing to spend more money due to the uncertainty of the television contracts and what the ticket sales are going to be this year. The combination of the two, I think is why the team that we have is the team that we have.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I am certain I didn’t want to pay either one of those guys so why would I expect Arte to do so?

Fansince1971
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23 days ago

I agree. I’m not sure what the point of all of this is. Snell etc are just guys who signed contracts with other teams. We go with what we have and we see what happens. Seems like much ado about nothing.

BannedInLA
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23 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Angels “fans” are typically lame as fuck. Have you ever attended a game with these humps?

Turk's Teeth
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23 days ago

And, just to be clear, I had no interest in Snell when his asking price was north of $150M.

But in what world can you acquire a Cy Young pitcher with only 1-2 years risk, stay under the luxury tax, and have a top 100 supplemental pick to soften the impact of a second-round loss.

That just doesn’t happen, but it was there for the picking. The Angels are just choosing not to contend.

And just think of the return to the farm if the Angels decided to sell a guy like Snell at the deadline. That’s how you restock – the club doesn’t have a lot of attractive assets outside of the mid-rotation young guys in their rotation.

DaveChalk
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23 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Great point in last paragraph.

Angels2020Champs
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23 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Agree. I wish some on here were helping run the organization but to my understanding none of us dry hump arte’s leg or are even allowed to attempt.

Cowboy26
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23 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

And I have no interest on signing Snell for effectively a one year deal as I’m sure he has a great year he’ll opt out after 2024 and if sucks or blows his arm you’ll be stuck holding a $30 million plus bag with nothing to show for it. ( I know I’m sure the team can get an insurance policy blah blah blah Or even trade him at the deadline for prospects but Im sure BorAss already has some limited NTC language written into his Giants contract

But even more important I have no interest signing Snell becuase we lost our second draft pick AND our second round slotted bonus monies projected to be over $2 million ( plus 5% overage) For a team that you have even said yourself has very few real prospects why would we give up another early round pick and bonus pool monies to possibly sign some college bound high school with real skills ( Hello Caden Dana) for aplyer that isn’t going to send us to the promise land?

Turk's Teeth
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23 days ago
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Who’s stuck with it? Arte? He retained Shohei for two months just for entertainment value. He pays $30M+ contracts all day long, but he prefers ones that carry 7-10 year commitments.

On that proposition, Snell would be entertaining. He’d sell shirts, he’d sell tickets. He could be flipped at the deadline for more prospect capital than the second round will deliver this year.

It’s a 70 win team as constituted, not fun to watch. Make it a touch more fun, with an outside chance at a wildcard. Give the young pitchers a good mentor in Snell to sweeten their development.

It’s a terrible farm, a weak draft class, the team has an extra pick. Prospect loss has never come with less cost for this club.

I’ve listed my reasons why I’d trade a year of a Cy Young for another shot at a Jeremiah Jackson a few times here. In any other year, it would cost the Angels $250M+ and 6-8 years to acquire one. They’ve only had one ace in, what, 10+ years? I’d like to see one again just to make the club watchable.

Turk's Teeth
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23 days ago
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Not Snell alone, but I started comments with saying they could acquire two pitchers at improbably low costs and Martinez and have a shot at a wildcard. Not Snell alone.

But this year’s team is last year’s team without Shohei and a much weaker farm system. YMMV, but last year sucked for me, and broke the spell of a three-decade run of obsessive Angels fandom. It’s been a long time coming.

If they were truly rebuilding and had new ownership, it would be a different story. That seemed a possibility last season, but Arte dug us all into his grave with him with a Mr Burns-like snicker.

Cowboy26
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23 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I have no reason to believe The club will be less watchable this year without all 5 people from the Blake Snell fan club attending the Big A than in past years especially with an aggressive styleof play and young developing pitchers and with the knowledge the farm system is not just loaded with a bunch of Jansen Junks

Fansince1971
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23 days ago
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But it’s irrelevant isn’t it? These dudes have gone and signed with other clubs.

Last edited 23 days ago by Fansince1971
Turk's Teeth
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23 days ago
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Yes, Caden Dana was an 11th rounder, overslot. Acquired in the same year that the Angels forfeited their 2nd rounder.

Money gets moved around regardless. Despite the lack of a second rounder, they netted Neto, Joyce, Dana and Mederos.

But this year, they have an extra compensation pick just after the second round, so the loss is even less severe than 2022.

I think folks are finding inventive ways to embrace losing. I get it – it’s been a long time since the team was competitive. If I trusted the draft room, and thought this was a compelling draft class, I might follow you down that road.

Cowboy26
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23 days ago
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So why not 2 Caden Danas or even 3 ? I estimate we will have 50% more bonus pool money with our 2nd rounder and the comp pick than last year. Yes I said 50% probability dictates that with more opportunity, the team can achieve more success as a team devoid of depth needs to take advantage of every opportunity they get .

BTW I disagree with your comments regarding how you rebuild a team through deadline deals . if you look at recent rebuilds like the Orioles damn near everyone on that roster came from their drafts very few (If any) were Deadline acquisitions . In fact I was hard pressed to find any integral players on any of the recent rebuild teams form DA’s . Draftees & international signees? many. Free agents and waiver claims? sure there are more than a few. Even Trader Jer Jer has done most of his successful roster construction through Off season trades not through prospects picked up at the deadline.

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2GA2Join
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23 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I’ll admit you make a really good argument for Snell/JDM. I haven’t been a fan of signing either one but you might have swayed me (but it is over now anyway. )

Personally, I’ve been advocating we sign Monty for months, as long as it isn’t a stupid overpay. He’ll be a longer term deal, which I don’t mind since it would give some stability to the future of the rotation (and no QO).

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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How long do you think CtPG Guy is happy with Snell/Martinez?

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FungoAle
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23 days ago
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This team cannot afford to cough up a second rounder. This team is not going anywhere this year, too many unknowns and signing Snell won’t change that. Snell won’t be ready for 3-weeks and a slow starter, to me, $31M for effectively 3-months.

I’d give the DH slot to Adell before JD. Will he match JD in production, no. Just trying to see if some consistent playing time unlocks this guy.

Turk's Teeth
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23 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I contend that the Angels could receive more farm assets by flipping Snell near the trade deadline (if the team was truly out of contention) than whatever they select in the 2024’s weak draft class in the second round this summer.

I don’t think anybody values the farm more than I do, but the Angels already have an extra pick at the end of the second round, they aren’t particularly good drafters, and, to repeat, this is a pretty underwhelming draft class.

It’s also a team that just flipped their last 2nd rounder (Ky Bush) for six ghastly starts from Lucas Giolito. And traded their previous 2nd rounder (Jeremiah Jackson) for 13 innings of Dominic Leone. If they can’t get their early rounders to the bigs in 1-2 years, they tend to discard them instead of developing them.

grichmanpoorman
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22 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

“Cannot afford to cough up a second rounder” is not a statement that belongs in a serious conversation about MLB roster building. You absolutely can and will cough up a second rounder for a frontline starter, every time if the money makes sense.

FungoAle
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22 days ago

This team is not going anywhere, what would Snell get you + 5 more wins?

CAoldskoll
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23 days ago
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Comments are right on. Many concerned about building farm and passing on free agents. Others overly worried about DH being a fielding time out to keep players healthy. Martinez /Snell had lowered their demands, and could have been flipped for prospect if needed. And If the Rendons break, they break anyways. Bottom line is this team could have really used a shot in the arm after losing Ohtani. And what does this money saving tactic say to the dedicated franchise player Trout? I’d like to see him finish his career with Angels. Anyways go Sandoval, you’ll beat Burnes on opening day, we don’t need starting pitching.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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JDM to the Mets, one year $12m

FungoAle
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23 days ago

“Breaking News”…from the Senator. Much more astute than that piss-ant Passan.

Arte’s continuing restraint provides me hope.

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Roy Hobbs
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23 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

What exactly is it that you’re hoping for? Serious question.

Turk's Teeth
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23 days ago
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Yeah, it seems like a one-year contract south of Stephenson’s AAV is the definition of “restraint”.

Sporadic DH games for Rendon aren’t likely to keep him on the field. He’s got a barcalounger to get back to.

Turk's Teeth
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23 days ago

And only $4.5 million guaranteed for this year. $7.5M deferred to ten years out!

Hell, Martinez as even a bench piece <$5M seems like an incredible bargain, given how power-starved this club is.

Cowboy26
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23 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

And who would we DFA?

Turk's Teeth
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23 days ago
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Zach Plesac for starters. There are any number of bullpen flyers that seem non-essential to the team, but I haven’t seen much from Plesac this spring that suggests he’s going to improve measurably on last season.

2GA2Join
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23 days ago
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But didn’t he have the QO?
Given that, I don’t think he is worth it even for that low price, also given that:

  1. We can really use the DH spot to keep Trout/Rendon in the lineup
  2. We are not at all on the fringe of contending, so 2024 isn’t a year where we “need” to make sure we squeeze out every drop
  3. Our farm is so toast, we should avoid hurting that unless we’re doing so in order to gain some other controllable asset to build on (a la Simba)
Turk's Teeth
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23 days ago
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He did not have a QO, no.

2GA2Join
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23 days ago
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Ok sorry, I thought JDM might have had the QO. Wasn’t really paying much attention to him.

Turk's Teeth
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23 days ago
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#1 I have little faith that the DH slot is going to keep Rendon on the field, and likely not Trout. Rendon is all sunk cost at this point – feels like the leadoff gambit is a low-key move to get him off the field sooner rather than later.

#3: No hit to the farm: https://www.mlb.com/news/2023-24-qualifying-offer-candidates-and-decisions

I’m not sure what #2 really means. Martinez was ultimately acquired for so little – like the price of a 1 WAR middle reliever. Perry/Arte could at least try to deliver a .500 club. If the acquisition sent out young players in trade, or pushed Neto or Schanuel off the infield, that would be one thing. It would do none of that – would just give the team some RBI opportunities out of the 4 or 5 slot.

2GA2Join
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23 days ago
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Again, #2 was thinking more along the lines of a QO…. but since he didn’t have one, I agree it wouldn’t have been that bad to sign him. My main concern is clogging up the DH spot.

Cowboy26
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23 days ago
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Oh I didnt know Zach Plesac can play outfield. My bad.

I obviously meant the active roster not the 40 man since JD Martinez allegedly plays outfield and theres no way in hell we’re going to carry 6 outfielders, one Third Baseman, One Shortstop One second baseman one first baseman and Luis Rengifo (not sure how to classify his defense) and So that means DFAing or trying to trade Hicks, Moniak, Adell all of which can play better defense than Martinez (hell my late mother could play better defense than JDM)

let the old timers like MNT and Rendon play and rest some on their feet and lets see what the “kids” can actually do when given more playing time.

Turk's Teeth
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23 days ago
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So Martinez would just force a decision that the front office is going to make by May anyhow. They’re not carrying all those OFs into summer absent injury.

Not overly invested in Hicks or Adell based on a small sample of spring ABs. Most likely thing is they send out Adell soonish.

Defensive OFs are not hard to acquire: see Marisnick.

Cowboy26
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23 days ago
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Why cant they ? they have a rotating DH and can still carry 2 utility infielders and a backup catcher

Defensive OFs who cannot hit to save their lives are not hard to acquire. see also Marisnick

But aren’t you proving my point? Hicks who costs nothing but can still hit better than the other options can sit on the the bench while the kids are given a chance makes these 5 outfielders on the roster ( who can actually catch the ball when called upon) that much of a better combination

Last edited 23 days ago by Cowboy26
LanaBanana
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23 days ago

I guess the real problem was not that Ippei is a gambler but that he is not a good gambler. If he was good and won money we wouldn’t have heard about it.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Unless his bookie rolled on him, winning would have eliminated the current “Keystone Cop” routine regarding the “loan that wasn’t a loan” theft.

Angels2020Champs
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23 days ago

I want to know the terms Bank o Ohtani uses, have you seen rates these days?!?

Ippei will certainly land a role alongside Kurt Warner in the 1% of fanduel/draftkings commercials for gamble responsibilities spokesperson.

Twebur
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23 days ago

I want to know if you can write off paying a gambling debt for a friend, on your personal tax’s?

Asking for a friend.

Angels2020Champs
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23 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

If you itemize, yes you can, but you have write off both wins and losses.

I dunno man this is all just so triggering and this is mah saaaafe space. Can we turn the attention back to womanizers, wife beaters, alcoholics or substance abuse users?!?

clover_black
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23 days ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

Safe to assume they’re both degenerate gamblers.

Cowboy26
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23 days ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

Or he was too emotionally involved like us and always bet the Angels to win

Eric_in_Portland
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23 days ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

Do any gamblers win in the long run? Probably but you’d have to be really good at it since the odds are against you.

Thank God for that day at Santa Anita, 49 years ago, when I lost on every race. I got the message I didn’t know what I was doing and would lose real money if I continued betting

Twebur
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23 days ago

Supposedly those who make a living (Sharpe money) win around 55% of their bets, give or take. Money management is the key.
One guy I follow is winning around 85% of his “season win totals” for MLB, he’s insane.

Eric_in_Portland
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23 days ago

my actual prediction on the Ohtani/Ippei thing…ahem…

I believe Ohtani is extremely honorable. I believe when he realizes Ippei is facing a long jail term he, Ohtani, will come forward and confirm the original story, that he was helping Ippei pay down his debt and that he, Ohtani, will accept whatever punishment is given, whether it’s legal or from MLB.

I expect this to happen fairly soon, like in the next couple of weeks.

I also predict the Angels will go 65-97 but that’s not relevant here.

2GA2Join
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23 days ago

That’s outrageous.
66-96.

Angelz4ever
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23 days ago
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66-66-30

Turk's Teeth
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23 days ago

This Ippei thing breaks my heart. I can barely talk about it.

Was just wearing my custom Ippei fanboy tshirt over the weekend.

Twebur
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23 days ago

How would you like to be on that 16 hour plane flight from South Korea right now?

How long until the Orange County bookmaker goes on record (his record) for a paid interview?
Will Oprah do that interview? 😀
Who wants to bet, he implicates other Angel players as “customers”?
Anyone want to bet Mr. football, Mr. Eagles Fan himself gets on in on a little sweet action?
Who wants to bet that Arte Moreno will get some blame for lack of institutional control?
With 100% certainty, Dave Roberts has his built-in excuse ready (after 2 games) for getting bumped early in the playoffs, blame it on Shohei (assuming he gets suspended) and the Angels.

Only thing that matters with any of this nonsense, did anyone bet on Baseball.

Angelz4ever
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23 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

If it is for gambling, Ohtani will be much more than suspended.

Cowboy26
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23 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Yes but any MLB fines will come with a 10 year deferred payout.

Angelz4ever
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23 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Nice Cowboy, real nice.

Maybe the Dodgers can sign him for league age 40-45 seasons and then he can have those used as suspension years.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Do we really need any Angels players implicated to blame Arte for all of this? Gambling = Degenerate scumbag = Gotta be Arte no? Hell, I don’t know how he did it, but I’m sure he ruined the Royals farm somehow too. Man they had a lot of prospects I was interested in…. and they are all busting at the upper levels or hurt now. I wonder if Royals fans are shitting themselves when ever their GM considers signing a FA that was extended a QO? BUMAHDRAFTPIG!

Is there any way to connect Anthony Rendon hating baseball and faking all his injuries and surgeries so he can get paid to read his Bible like a total piece of shit and the Royals crop of punk ass prospects… he probably screwed up all those Tigers prospects I was excited about too…..

Act6ually, serious question now, has Arte been implicated in any wrong doing with that burned stadium deal? I kept waiting to see that. Then I got distracted. Did I miss it?

Twebur
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23 days ago

He knows nothing…forget a’bout it.

But Disneyland is expanding.

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Cowboy26
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23 days ago

No he has not. Neither has any of Arte’s henchmen ( and women) Now considering that the former Mayor Sidhu pleaded guilty to:

Secretly providing the information to the Angels he had received in his position as mayor and expecting a $1 million campaign contribution from the Angels after the baseball club purchased Angel Stadium

There’s been Bupkis from anyone regarding Arte’s involvement. Then again maybe he’s spending more time in Arizona this year becuase they don’t extradite there?

halofansince1978
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23 days ago

It’s not a big deal except for the degenerate gambler who’s livelihood has been or is about to be destroyed. Gamblers Anonymous Works!!! (800) GAMBLER

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I have a tiny bit of experience with book makers. Believe it or not, their goal isn’t to take huge bets on one side of their line or the other in order to “catch” some stooge with a huge gambling debt they can’t pay. They generally want equal action on both sides of the line and no huge bets shifting it one way or another. On top of this, Ippei isn’t the millionaire here, Ohtani is, and the bookie knows it.

I don’t quite understand how Ippei managed to pile up such massive gambling debts to a single bookie. The bookie himself had to be really stupid to let him run out that far…. or there was something weird going on here like Ohtani was betting or the bookie had some weird plan to get at Ohtani this way. But again, that’s a lot of “happens in a movie” type speculative risk that real life bookies don’t seem inclined to take.

But I could be totally wrong about this. I had limited interactions with a few book makers a long time ago. Maybe stuff’s different?

Eric_in_Portland
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23 days ago

I forgot…no game today. Ok. Back to popcorn.

2GA2Join
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23 days ago

Breaking:
Reporters just cornered Arte and asked him to respond to the allegations that the Ippei incident actually all happened while part of the Angels.
Arte’s response: “No habla Ingles” and he turned and walked off, winking at Anthony Rendon who happened to be standing off to the side.

bobblanton
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23 days ago

So weird. Who cares. 100% of the country gambles. 90% legal. The investigators are gambling illegally in California on March Madness as we speak. lol

BannedInLA
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23 days ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Completely agree.

Fansince1971
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23 days ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Unless the bets were on baseball…..which we do not know

Cowboy26
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23 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Unless the non baseball bets racked up a large enough bill that the Bookies could pressure a player/Coach/referee/umpire to influence their performance .

It would be completely ignorant to think that is not a possibility. Why do you think Ippei’s bookie let him run up such a high bill . he knew he had leverage through Ohtani.

Fansince1971
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23 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

That is the rub for certain

bobblanton
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23 days ago

Maybe the feds report was coming out with Ohtani’s name on the wire transfer and they needed to make sure Ippeis name was on it and not Ohtani’s

Cowboy26
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23 days ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Or Ohtani’s Mom

Twebur
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23 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Some of us local SoCal old timers might remember Chet Forte on AM 690 radio down in SD. He was the Innovator/Director of Monday Night Football back in the 70s. He was a heavy gambler and a troubled gambler. He would call his Mom Ida, often from the MNF booth before games, have her call his Book to place all of his bets.

Shohei’s Mom is a huge crime boss….bet on it 😀

bobblanton
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23 days ago

Why would Ohtani’s people rush to get ippei on ESPN

bobblanton
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23 days ago

Why would Ippei go on ESPN and tell the story if he stole the money. Hahahaha. BS. This is ridiculous

Angels2020Champs
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23 days ago

Good, positive article on what’s the Angels upcoming prospects could do:

https://www.mlb.com/news/los-angeles-angels-spring-training-prospect-report-2024

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Is it just a headline, then a blank article? Cause herr durr nah prozpectz developmertz blah fart.

Angels2020Champs
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23 days ago

Link still works on my end, this is the first paragraph:

If there’s one thing the Angels system is famous for, it’s getting draftees to Anaheim in a hurry. It produced the first player from the 2021 Draft to reach the Majors (Chase Silseth), the first three from 2022 (Zach Neto, Ben Joyce, Victor Mederos) and the first from 2023 (Nolan Schanuel).

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
23 days ago

I get what Gitch is saying. The article mentions a few names but you do not leave with any sort of positive feeling about Angel prospects in general or specifically. It’s pretty light fair. It mentions Rada, but if I was not already familiar with him, I would not be excited or insured. That’s not to say that the team doesn’t have any prospects to be excited about, just that is doesn’t provide much substantiation. Also, the guys mentioned who were rushed to the majors have not yet become meaningful contributors. they are still a work in progress. After this year, things might be different. But thanks for the link.

Angels2020Champs
Legend
23 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Whether something is positive or negative is up to the reader I suppose…

I didn’t know Brian Parker was in charge of the international group. Knew nothing of Juan Flores, Denzer Guzman, or Werner Blakely and now I know a little bit.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
23 days ago

I think the point was just that the title “Angels’ system stocked with next wave of fast risers” was not really supported by the article, not that there wasn’t other good information in it.

Angels2020Champs
Legend
23 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

That’s why I tried to supplement the title with my own words. Definitely don’t mind this dialogue and I don’t know the definition of ‘stocked’, like if he or we had two more names to add would that suffice? None of us should be surprised with misleading article titles that’s for sure.

BannedInLA
Super Member
23 days ago

Am I the only one that doesn’t give a shit – at all – about this Ippei/Shohei thing? Apparently.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
23 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I don’t care much. But if anyone wanted a reason to be thankful Ohtani didn’t re-sign, this is it.

DowningDude
Legend
23 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I don’t give a shit either. But damn- it’s pretty entertaining.

Twebur
Legend
23 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

And we can sleep well. From the picture up top, looks like the villain Ippei is already locked up. He’s in one of those outdoor cells like they have at Guantánamo Bay.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
23 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Because he played the last 6 years for us and now plays for the Dodgers it’s more relevant than just any baseball player but most people here probably don’t care a whole lot about it. Because of those involved it’s interesting to talk about while the Angels are quiet.

Cowboy26
Legend
23 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Yes, now that it is damn near 100% legalized, high stakes gambling has no impact or influence on professional sports outcomes .

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/03/j-b-bickerstaff-says-he-was-threatened-by-gamblers.html

Twebur
Legend
23 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

If this was Rengifo, 85% less talk. This will continue to bubble up and down. When big News comes out (and it will, it’s just starting), pushed to the front burner again.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
23 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Don’t be throwing shade on Banned’s favorite player!

BannedInLA
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Damn straight, I’ll wage Jihad on anyone that blasphemes the little guy.

BannedInLA
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I see your point, but I’m coming at this from a different angle.

I don’t see why it’s relevant that adults spend THEIR money voluntarily on gambling. He earned it, he can spend however he chooses.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
23 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Copy that my friend.

FungoAle
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Agree, this is comical. This is simply nothing more than high-stakes gambling. Play ball…

DowningDude
Legend
23 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I like my stakes medium well

Angels2020Champs
Legend
23 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Really couldn’t care less about gambling. There are greater evils in the world.
Considering how it’s shoved down your throat with every commercial or ad I do find that paradox hilarious (the government just wants their cut of the cut they already got too) but then again maybe that’s just the ‘normie’ in me.

From an entertainment standpoint, how the media behaves, how it affects the doyers on the field (if at all) and their fans it is worth paying attention to.

Last edited 23 days ago by Angels2020Champs
SchofieldsWalkoff
Trusted Member
23 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

If it’s not Angels specific or related to all of MLB, I could care less.

I’d much rather read about Arizona Extended Spring stats than any player drama especially Dodgers tabloid trash.

Last edited 23 days ago by SchofieldsWalkoff
BannedInLA
Super Member
23 days ago

Same here.

This moral handwringing about Ippei (or Shohei) being bad at gambling is so utterly unimportant.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  BannedInLA

Yep – there’s things to worry about, but this isn’t one of them. I’m just playing along for the entertainment value at this point.

BannedInLA
Super Member
23 days ago

Fair point.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  BannedInLA

It’s either the Shohei Soap Opera or talking about Trout’s weak spring or the pro’s / con’s of Rendon hitting leadoff.

Bring me the soap.  😂 

clover_black
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

It’s hilarious and ippei falling on his sword to save his bestie is the greatest part of this goofy story.

FungoAle
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  clover_black

He’s nothing w/o his sugar daddy, predictable move

Cowboy26
Legend
23 days ago
Reply to  clover_black

A question for Mr Chan though. And No I’m not trying to be racist but, I’m curious from a cultura standpoint. Knowing the relationship between Ippei and Ohtani, Would Ippei feel compelled to take the fall even if Ohtani himself was involved in some or all of the betting?

FungoAle
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

At the incentive of getting his family taken care of? 100%. Ippei just does not get to fly on jets or sit in dugouts anymore.

BannedInLA
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Basically Yes. See my opinion below.

Last edited 23 days ago by BannedInLA
BannedInLA
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  clover_black

I imagine that was part of the job description, frankly. Particularly within Asian culture.

I know Shohei is Japanese, but I’ve worked with and around Chinese companies and it’s understood that the boss is always right, even when he’s wrong and falling on the proverbial sword is generally expected.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
23 days ago

If this just goes away, it will signal that something stinks like a *****house at low tide.

If Ippei is smart, he’ll STHU and have his lawyer do a lot of insinuating towards the Dodgers org. He should leverage everything he can.

smithy610
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I think it’s hard for this to just go away.

In the old age of no internet and social media, then yes, it’s much easier. But at this time where a lot more people talk, a lot more people have a larger platform, news have much wider reach, etc., if Manfred and the Dodgers conspire to bury this, THAT story will also surely get out.

LanaBanana
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Well, I thought I read that the Feds are involved. So it won’t just go away.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  LanaBanana

Yep – his alleged bookie is under Federal investigation

Cowboy26
Legend
23 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Don’t you mean a lot of insinuating towards the Dodgers Angels org. ?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

No, the Dodgers have this in his lap-The payment allegedly was made recently.

Cowboy26
Legend
23 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

2 $500K payments were made in September and October . He was technically still an Angel during half of that span. And not sure what kind of terms the bookie gave , but all of the betting could have occurred during their Angel tenure.

Last edited 23 days ago by Cowboy26
clover_black
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

If shohei doesn’t press charges on a person stealing millions from him, there’s gonna be a few questions.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
23 days ago

I think the Ippei-gate drama is going to damage Ohtani as more details come out. Getting money to a booky, even in second person or pay-offs, had gotta get blow back on Shohei.

smithy610
Super Member
23 days ago

Twitter is a fun place to be today:

Todd the Show
@ToddtheShow
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First look at Shohei Ohtani’s new interpreter.



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Angelz4ever
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

LOL, nice.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
23 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Comedy. 😀

DowningDude
Legend
23 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Ippei would catch a grenade for ya

smithy610
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

🤣🤣🤣

Twitter is fun today but it’s definitely funnier here

smithy610
Super Member
23 days ago

https://twitter.com/LibrarianJoe_/status/1770878883409068251/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1770878883409068251&currentTweetUser=LibrarianJoe_

Passan makes a good point. If this is really theft on the part of Ippei, there would be a criminal case, and a full accounting and trail will be done. Remember it’s the Dodgers’ lawyers who claimed “massive theft”.

So if this “case” quietly gets dropped along the way….

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