LA Angels Monday News Crash: Under Lux

Max Stassi was moved from the injured list to the restricted list. The hips are apparently fine but the family medical emergency is not going away. Nobody is saying much but here is a little more detail. This seems to mitigate the disaster of the Angels not getting under the luxury tax boundary. The Angels reinstated Matt Thaiss from the injured list and optioned Andrew Velazquez down to Triple-A. They also called up Jimmy Herget, Kolton Ingram, Gerardo Reyes, Michael Stefanic, Andrew Wantz, and Kyren Paris. Shohei Ohtani made the 40/20 club again. He hasn’t yet ruled out Tommy John surgery but he’s making the best use of his time right now. He might get the surgery pretty soon, though. The White Sox won’t be pursuing him. I doubt if Shohei Ohtani cares about the White Sox anyway.

Hunter Renfroe is also making good use of his time with walk off victories and the like.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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WallyChuckChili
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7 months ago

Ohtani swing looked bad. Wasn’t even able to complete his swing.

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago

Finley our pitches coach next year?

Brent
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7 months ago

Ohtani has been scratched from tonight’s lineup.

max
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max
7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Surgery today /s

WallyChuckChili
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7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Did he get claimed off Waivers?

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago

I oblique, you oblique, we all oblique!

Let me guess, next year we will focus on the obliques. Certain foods, certain exercise…and then it will be something else.
Last ranked farm system, first in oblique strains.

max
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max
7 months ago

haha that would get them under

Kiyotchan
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

He was seen taking BP on the field earlier. That was a mistake.
https://twitter.com/bmags94/status/1698836234720903343

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Japanese newspaper took this picture of this rare on field Sho’s BP and the caption below reported that his face grimaced when he stopped his bat in the middle of the swing. Right after that, he left the cage. Another newspaper reported the same, but also added that he took 13 swings and hit 5 over the fences.

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Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

The offense won’t score less runs. But will have less walks.

FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Sucks but good for Team Tank

tanana40
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

It is likely that we have seen Ohtani play his final game as an Angel.

If so, thanks Shohei, you made the last few years following the Angels worth it. Your love of the game is so admired.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago

It sounds like Sho will not undergo TJS at this time.
https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1698840286229827767

FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

He has the MVP locked up, seems like an early start for treatment would make sense. Hanging around to see if he can be the home run champ?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I think he will be opting for the procedure that will require shorter recovery as I posted above. Right now, he is going for MLB homerun crown (Matt Olson has tied him at #44) and 400 TB per season.

Marcotor
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Is chasing 400TB something that has been confirmed or are you projecting your own feelings for the “milestone”. I don’t see Ohtani as someone concerned with chasing personal milestones, or “records”.

Last edited 7 months ago by Marcotor
Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

It’s probably due to reading what Japanese newspapers have reported regarding individual accolades. As you mentioned, Sho is definitely team win first, but he seems to be interested in pursuing MLB records, especially something that no other Japanese has accomplished such as MLB homerun crown or 400TB.

But now that he has sustained the oblique injury, he will take this as another learning experience, turn the page, and move on. I think he will be pacing himself more evenly throughout the next seasons.

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Kiyotchan
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I don’t know if media asked about the degree and location of the tear, but there is another procedure called internal brace procedure/ELBOW ULNAR COLLATERAL LIGAMENT REPAIR WITH INTERNALBRACE. This is what orthopod Dr. Rice site explained.https://www.cincysportssurgeon.com/elbow-ucl-repair-internal-brace-sportsmedicine-orthopedic-surgeon.html

Insertional tears are better indicated for repair, whereas midsubstance tears are a better indication for reconstruction.

Because this procedure repairs the existing ligament, and therefore does not require a donor tendon to transform into a ligament (a process called ligamentization), the healing time in early research has been much faster than traditional reconstruction, typically half the time for return to throwing sports (6 months versus 12 months for traditional reconstruction).

If Sho’s tear is closer to the bone, then the procedure may not require as much time for recovery. Interesting.

Last edited 7 months ago by Kiyotchan
Kiyotchan
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Of course, Japanese newspaper would report on this immediately. Balelo revealed that Sho has obtained multiple second opinions, and they are in the process of choosing what the best course would be. He confirmed the location of tear is different from that of 2018 tear. He also assures that Sho will continue as two way player though pitching may not resume until 2025 season.

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Brent
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

This will 1000% backfire.

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

What that really says to me is that they are considering lots of different options. It would not surprise me that once they decide on one, they go forward with it before the end of the season. Also, what this seems to tell me is that they are trying to let teams know that Ohtani will not miss any time starting next year.

Kiyotchan
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

As far as I could glean from all the available information thus far, no official words on how long he will play 2023 season. However, I still bet towards him playing the rest of the season because he wants to be ‘classy’ to Angels fans and desires to leave MLB legacy as first Japanese MLB homerun crown winner.

Someone on this site said that Shohei can continue his health insurance because the US government requires companies to continue to cover their employees under COBRA. So, it does not matter whether he has the procedure after his contract expires after October 1, 2023, when capacity crowd at Big A will witness Sho in Angels uni (possibly) for the last time.

Kiyotchan
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

With this unexpected oblique strain, most likely shutting Sho’s season, he now will most likely opt for this internal brace procedure before the season ends, not needing to pay for COBRA monthly premium.

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I seriously doubt health insurance is an issue for him.

It would make good sense to shut it all down at this point. I really don’t think he cares of whether or not he satisfies Angels fans with ongoing play. He provided many years of entertainment for what is comparatively a very low amount of money. My perception is his focus is firmly on 2024 and this next contract. He owes the Angels Organization and fans nothing.

DowningDude
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yep, He’s still on his mom’s policy.

Brent
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7 months ago

https://twitter.com/FoolishBB/status/1698832533025165744?s=20

Would’ve been a lot cooler if he did do this.

BannedInLA
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7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Speaking of a lot cooler:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ojX6zfsOqjQ

Eric_in_Portland
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7 months ago

thinking about it, it’s fairly weird that the Angels would use Stassi to get under the cap.

FungoAle
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7 months ago

#Clever

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Convenient

FungoAle
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7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

That too. What were the other options after Grichuk was not picked up?

Brent
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7 months ago

https://twitter.com/TrentRushSports/status/1698826243419013558?s=20

Welcome to Angels baseball where the rules are made up and the coaches don’t matter

Claret
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7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

FFS

Claret
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7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

I assume Salmon won’t be wearing #15.

Claret
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7 months ago
Reply to  Claret

Nor will Finley be wearing #31.

Last edited 7 months ago by Claret
Claret
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7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

I guess Arte is too cheap to hire McKinsey and Co.

Last edited 7 months ago by Claret
angelslogic
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7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Consider that an audition for next year.

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

What are they going to see or hear?

It’s like asking which one of the Kars 4 Kids band members is the best musician.

I’d think they would want to send them to check out the Pandas.

DMAGZ13
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7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

This is to view the clubhouse culture. This is to tell Arte or Perry what is happening. But you do this in June, not September when you’re 9 games under .500. How about you hire Brad Fullmer and Shawn Wooten to beat up Rendon and off him from the team. Jk jk

2002heaven
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7 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

I usually agree with many of your talking points, but not this one.
To see this as Phil Nevin’s fault and not the people above him and I know that you know who I’m talking about. This would suggest that there’s a manager out there in MLB who just come right in here right now or maybe back on June 1st and just fix everything. Let’s take Brian Schitnker of the Atlanta Braves since he’s managing the team with MLB’s best overall record, do you think he and his whole coaching staff could just come over here and somehow turn us into even the Minnesota Twins (only 4 games over .500)? I think not. I do however agree with you about the young rookies and players 25 and younger that our coaching is abhorrent (Zack Neto and Nolan Schanuel might actually be way better off not going through our player development) and I don’t know how this can be fixed either, because what criteria does this organization use as a benchmark for hiring? Is it success, showing up for work on time and just being reliable, is it loyalty, being willing to work for less or part time? Only a former Angel’s employee could answer that (Jerry DiPoto, Billy Eppler, Joe Maddon, Ric Wilson, Matt Swanson) under off the record confidentiality because it’s looking to me like these people might have signed a Non Disclosure Agreement. Thanks for your comment.

FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Now, if it was Erstad was inserted into the dugout, I would have a different take.

Marcotor
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7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Why?

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Grit.

tanana40
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7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Taking notes as they observe dumb stuff?

tanana40
Super Member
7 months ago

Giolito, 2 innnings, 4 hits, 6 runs versus the Twins.
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/twins-vs-guardians/2023/09/04/716719/live/box

Eric_in_Portland
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7 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

gee, that’s really bad.

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago

Hard to get that Angel stink off of you.

Kiyotchan
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7 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

Giolito is projected to pitch against the Angels/Sandoval this Saturday assuming that both teams maintain 5 man rotation. Cleveland is aware of our Saturday records and Sandoval.

FungoAle
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7 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

I wonder what our GM saw in this guy? Kind of makes me concerned regarding his ability to scout talent.

FungoAle
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7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

it was unfortunate to see Giolitto join a team with similar record. Giolitto could help the Indians out-tank the Anaheim tankers

Brent
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7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Exact same record, but only 5 games back instead of double digits for a playoff spot.

tanana40
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7 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

His final line was 3 innings, 7 hits, 9 earned runs.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

He is projected to pitch against the Angels on Saturday. It is of note that his last win before he joined the Angels was against, you guessed it, the Halos on June 28. He has also defeated the Angels on May 30. The way the Angels have made a struggling pitcher this season would not surprise me he would pitch as Cy Giolito.

JakeTaylor
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7 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

Not surprising, the dude sucks.

Brent
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7 months ago

Update on our favorite player on the IL…

https://twitter.com/SamBlum3/status/1698813707638460605?s=20

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

He must be using the popular foreign language learning app Babble to put his IL time to good usage.  😁 

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Me llamo Tony y yo soy un douchebag!!

Last edited 7 months ago by Fansince1971
Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Me llamo Sammy y yo soy un douchebag too!!

FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

At least he is consistent, both disgruntled and absent from the line-up

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
7 months ago

Here’s a good Tungsten Arm bit about Shohei’s 40/20 season

“ As Ohtani added another accolade to his campaign for a second AL MVP nod, the Angels were swept by the A’s in three games at the Coliseum”

halofansince1978
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7 months ago
DMAGZ13
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7 months ago

Sometimes Ocam’s Razor. I’m pretty convinced without parsing every single data point for every player, that the problem with the major league team is less talent and more coaching. I think statistically it would be very rare to see all your new trade pieces automatically regress upon arrival. Secondarily I think this team is full of choking. Statistically you can’t be that bad with RISP if you’re semi good at non-pressure hitting. At some point this was a top offensive club but still struggling to score guys. It tells you that the leadership on this team has not only not inspired the players emotionally but in fact it has been a detriment.

DMAGZ13
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7 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

I think it’s easy to blame players for sucking but for it to be that widespread it’s bigger than that. Yes I know Arte that’s the guy who hires them. But in the clubhouse, the dugout and in the mound or in the batter box, nobody is thinking about Arte. So Perry to a big extent does have fault but I put a ton on Nevin, Wise and Thames. But you see the way other successful orgs work and it’s really a GM thing down to the dugout. There’s no synergy it’s obvious. That being said, if the coaching is bad, it’s too hard and inappropriate to measure the players’ performance. I do t think we really know who sucks and who’s just been made worse.

DMAGZ13
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7 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

The point I’m making is that it’s unfair and unwise to say blow up the organization’s players without even having the best leadership in place. 162 is a long enough time to separate function from accidental function and dysfunction. Perry used tremendous guile for 60 games to overcome their issues. They would’ve made the Covid playoffs. But not right now in a competitive division. Also not with the balanced schedule.

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

IMHO. Our #1 Occam’s Razor unsolvable issue….Being “Cursed”.
William of Ockham said that our Razor is rusty and dull. Get a tetanus shot before we apply his principal, don’t want to get lockjaw.

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago

Future Angel/Dodgers pitcher Julio Urías arrested, reportedly for suspicion of domestic violence……again.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2023-09-04/dodgers-julio-urias-charged-felony-domestic-violence

Brent
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7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Who wanted him in an Angels uni after that first incident? And why…

CAoldskoll
Trusted Member
7 months ago

Important to try to fix Rendone situation for next year. No way we give him up DFA and pay his salary while he plays for another team. Got to try to trade him, but only way is for another bad contract. My (prob unpopular) choice; call Rockies and trade him for Kris Bryant. Both are injury prone, and on high dollar contracts. Bryant has more pop, and can play multiple positions. Plus the main factor is Rendone showing he has little desire to even try play for us since he’s so hated. A fresh start on new club may do both of them good. Thrown in a couple of minor players to even trade. May even throw in Blackmon and sign him to a short contract for next year. Future looks grim, gotta try something

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

So trade 3 years at approximately 40 million for 4 years at approximately $30 million?

I mean it’s not the worst idea but I’m not sure Colorado would do it since they could Lee Bryant and have an extra $10 mil to sign another player.

CAoldskoll
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Lol true, sweeten the deal by giving them some cash too.!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago

I preface that I have no idea what Sho is thinking at this time, and many Japanese papers picked up on what click bait USA Today Nightengale reported about TJS may be performed before the season ends. Then I ask one question to counter his point.

Why did he not shut down immediately after MRI revealed UCL tear? The only reason I can come up with that Sho wanted to continue to hit for MLB homerun crown and 400 TB (currently 325 with 25 games left). He would not have done this unless he has received approval from Dr. ElAttrache before he left for NYC.

One of Nightengale’s reasons why Sho may choose to have TJS in 10 days is that he can possibly start batting on opening day next season. With Sho’s first one on 10/02/2018, he was able to return in middle May 2019 Many people (including Yu Darvish) agree that second TJS will require longer recovery for pitching, but no one knows in terms of batter because Babe Ruth did not undergo two TJS.

In conclusion, I think Sho will play out the regular season, and I anticipate packed Big A will witness Sho in Angel’s uni (possibly) for the last time.

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

My presumption is that Sho will listen to his team of people to determine what is best for his impending free agency. There is nothing gained by continuing to play this season if there is any chance it will hurt his value on the market due to him not being available to bat at the beginning of next season. A middle ground position would be that he plays during this homestand, and then shuts it down.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

With all due respect, sir, what is the difference in terms of his free agency between playing 7 games as opposed to 25 games without him pitching? Many experts agree that the UCL injury will knock off $100 MM or so, but they still estimate that he will get $500 MM contract with hitting alone and perhaps include more teams to participate (including the Angels, but not White Sox) in bidding war with ‘cheaper/bargain sale’ Sho.

Last edited 7 months ago by Kiyotchan
Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Because it’s an extra approximately one month and that may make a difference as to whether he will be available opening day ‘24. The optics of that entering free agency might be important. In other words the surgery is behind him rather than in front of him.

But what do I know. This will be all about what his people advise him to do.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

We agree that we don’t know. However, I seriously doubt Nightengale’s source knows what he or she is talking about. Based on what Sho consistently said favorably about Angels organization allowing him to be the two way star that he has become and the Angels fans who supported him through 6 thick and thin years, I anticipate he will express his ‘classy’ appreciation by playing the remainder of the season as Angel. I repeat that packed Big A will witness Sho in Angels uni (possibly) for the last time on October 1, 2023. I would add that I am glad that Nez Balelo is his agent, not Scott Boras.

Watching Sho’s countryman, Seiya Suzuki, hitting homerun for probable playoff bound Cubs has to make Sho somewhat jealous. I will also be watching today’s game for Sho batting against his high school BFF, Shintaro Fujinami, who will be pitching in playoffs in his first MLB year.

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Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Sir? We don’t assume genders with all due respect 😀
https://youtu.be/Af-Id_fuXFA?si=p92dlcJi0uKqASsU&t=17

Last edited 7 months ago by Twebur
Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I forgot add “on October 1, 2023” to above post. My apology.  😀 

halofansince1978
Super Member
7 months ago

After surgery I can see Ohtani becoming the best reliver in the game…because he can.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/mlb/should-shohei-ohtani-become-a-reliever-to-preserve-his-arm-john-smoltz-weighs-in

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago

Hunter hustling on the bases….if keeps that up he will tear something. Hasn’t ran that hard in months.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

First, my apologies to you all for posting yesterday that Renfroe did not play on Saturday when he in fact did leg out to the first base enabling the walk-off run. Second, Renfroe did take the next game off. He is not yet on IL.

rosstrade
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Kiyotchan….

This error is unaceptable….

The only solution:

Seppuku at dawn……

Guest
7 months ago

The Foundation Building Materials’ keystone of the game for the Angels tonight against the Baltimore Orioles is “Whatever Happened to Fun?” by Candy.

Without Ohtani, without all of the prospects we could have gotten for Ohtani in a timely and sensible trade, and without Quero and Ky Bush available to help the Angels next year, the 2024 season could be the worst one in this long, long stretch of mediocre seasons the Angels have put together.

And now we get to suffer through a month of Kyren Paris trying to learn from all of the strikeouts he will compile against Major League pitching.

And yet Angel fans will come to the stadium in the tens of thousands. They will bat beach balls. They will do the wave. They will cheer for ten seconds when the stadium’s video screens project entreaties designed for an audience full of attention deficit disorder to MakeSomeNoiz!!!

But is there actual baseball fun to be had? Rengifo has been pretty fun to watch lately. Schanuel and Silseth have made me think that maybe 2024 has a little bit of hope in it yet.

I dunno. While I’m deciding, I’ll watch this Candy video from 1985 again. You never know. I mean, the guitarist on the couch watching TV, Gilby Clarke, went on to be the rhythm guitarist for Guns ‘n’ Roses after Candy disbanded, so maybe the future holds some promise after all.

https://youtu.be/puT1le6uIOE?si=Gysk74A8XB-ajohm

Fansince1971
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7 months ago

So – if Ohtani had been traded at the deadline, the trades for Giolito etc had not been made and the Angels had similarly gone into the tank as they have, what would all you emotional CTPG folks be saying? The anger and claims that the team would have made the playoffs would have been off the charts. The whining and sad donkey would have been everywhere around here.

And yet here we are in September and the team is in the same situation except the farm has been significantly weakened for what turned out to be one month rentals and instead of getting a bunch of fresh prospects for Ohtani, the Angels will have to settle for a 2nd or 4th round compensation pick.

I bring this up because before this season, when Gitcho and I did our IIWPM pieces and included trading Ohtani, we were skewered around here. And yet, with hindsight and an eye to the future, it was exactly what the team should have done.

Maybe it’s important to think a bit outside the box and beyond the immediate emotional reaction/feeling that you might have. Generally that’s a good strategy for life but it is also applicable to analyzing your favorite sports team.

Perception, no matter how deeply felt, often is different than reality.

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DowningDude
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Any move we made we would have whined. Now the “we shudda traded him” crowd takes over.

Fansince1971
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I have been consistently saying they should have traded him since before the 2022 trade deadline. So this is not a taking over thing. It’s a non-emotional thinking and evaluation thing.

DowningDude
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I hear ya. Whatever move the Angels would have made, they still will find a way to screw it up. Bank on that

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

We need to heal and strengthen our Throat Chakras.

Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Ohtani should have been traded during the 2022/23 offseason, but he is a cash cow for Moreno. All of those Japanese advert sales! All of those Ohtani merch sales! All of those ticket sales to those overseas Japanese Ohtani fans who make the trek to SoCal to see their idol in the flesh!

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to 

I agree with you that that marketing aspect played a role. In fact, it probably was the biggest factor. That said, trading Ohtani would have clearly been the best course for the long-term health of the team. I also think Moreno is impulsive and emotional when it comes to evaluating things – and his billionaire status makes him believe that he really knows more than he does.

Arte probably really believed that this team had a chance this year, when, in reality, given what we have seen over the last 10, the chances of that were very low. A non-impulsive and non-emotional evaluation of the subject of Ohtani (at multiple points in time) would have revealed that the best odds were in trading him.

Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The way I see it, the only thing that will compel Moreno to sell the Angels is if one of these years the Angels have no stars for Moreno to promote. If there is a roster full of names not many people have ever heard of, that would take all of the fun out of the advertising game that Moreno is ultimately interested in playing.

Unfortunately, that day may not come until the end of the 2030 season when Mike Trout’s contract finally expires.

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to 

That would be a huge bummer.

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I agree re the screw it up – particularly with the current Organization. That is why I am hoping Arte will sell after this season. My fear is that Arte will make an emotional/impulsive over market offer to Ohtani which might be accepted due to its sheer size. That would compound all of the mistakes that have already been made.

My secret fantasy is that Arte makes some ridiculously high offer and Ohtani outright rejects it, telling Arte that he would never play again for this half-wit Org and causing Arte to finally sell. I think it is unlikely Ohtani would make such a statement , since he is a very classy individual.but a man can dream.

Last edited 7 months ago by Fansince1971
Dogface1956
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I said we should trade him the day after we signed him😁. To myself of course, I often have the best converstations with myself.

WallyChuckChili
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7 months ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

I said it way before that.

I said, if we sign him, we could trade since everyone wants him.

smithy610
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Congrats – you get a medal.