Angels 1 Athletics 2

The Angels really needed a win today after losing to the worst team in baseball to a not-so-pretty score last night. It was so embarrassing we didn’t even write about it! But here we are, a matinee reduex. It was looking good for the Halos early when they loaded the bases with 1 out in the first. The at least, didn’t come up empty, but alas, only managed to get one run across on a Luis Rengifo Sac fly.

Griffin Canning was rolling over the A’s early, keeping them off the board until an unfortunate mistake pitch (90 MPH changeup middle) to Brent Rooker that left the yard for a 2 run shot.

Kyren Paris finally had his big moment – knocking his first big league hit:

Nolan Schanuel was hitless for a second straight game, but drew a few walks upping his career-beginning on base streak to 12.

This game could really be summed up as:

  1. Rengifo Sac Fly.
  2. Schanuel on base streak continues.
  3. Canning gives up 2 run homer.
  4. Paris gets his first big league hit.
  5. Angels lose to crappy AAAA team

Yes, the Angels lose this snooze fest despite a fantastic start by Canning and will be back tomorrow to try and not leave Oakland with a whimper. Is avoiding a sweep too much to ask?

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DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago

Sign Ohtani to a lifetime deal and give Trout a lifetime deal

I will sign up for the Arte OnlyFans subscription just to see Ohtani and Trout lose 110 games per year.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Last edited 7 months ago by Kiyotchan
DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

🙏

Must be something very difficult. Wishing him and his family well

🙏

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago

Wonder this has anything to do with  🐙  failed attempt to steal 3rd base in yesterday’s game.
https://twitter.com/LAAngelsPR/status/1698395461567320247

Last edited 7 months ago by Kiyotchan
Eric_in_Portland
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

which reminds me, we don’t have much firepower in today’s lineup.

Heefo
Shohei
Drury
Grichuk
Escobar
Plumber
Moniakkk
Wallach
Paris

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago

It’s worse than the A’ss lineup 😀😀

And everyone knows it.

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

My guess is that Sqwibly is a habitual line crosser of suck.

and even our pathetic coaching staff is done watching it.

Brent
Super Member
7 months ago

Interesting to start seeing so many comments about being okay with letting Trout go elsewhere… don’t think I’ve seen it get to that point up until about this week.

nishiogawakun
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Agreed. I feel like we’ve crossed a threshold of sorts to even start entertaining that.

Fansince1971
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

Unfortunately the trade window on Trout is closed and locked shut. It is way too late to get anything of value for him given his contract and injury history. Once again, the Organization’s lateness in evaluating/decision making and the lack of a clear plan, vision or direction has hurt the team for the long term.

FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

It’s not closed or locked shut. I for one, not talking about getting a return. It is abut lessening the financial liability. There are team that would gladly take him, both NY teams for sure.

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

Many here have said, Trout and Shohei are on the roster next year, we lose.
They both leave, we lose……With 100% certainty this is true.

If we trade Trout, we won’t win the trade. Won’t use the salary relief with quality FA signings regardless of the amount spent, and the players in return regardless of their prospect ranking will not develop into anything.

trAdition…..it’s science.

FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

^NAILED IT^

Adopt the Faran approach, no contracts over 2-years, catch guys on prove it deals and add around the young core, allow the core and farm to develop, no desperation moves. Try to gold mine other teams farms hidden talent and pitchers with an out pitch and ability to miss bats. Scout and draft well.

I’m no fan of Perry’s, his deadline targets sucked but he might be better suited for the crawl, walk before you run approach. Don’t count in him building an instant winner. He failed at that, thrice.

For me, I’d much rather support a franchise, even if subpar .500, knowing that we at least have a plan than chasing the big FA fish and end up being too heavy. Sadly, Rendon is sunk cost. Pay him to go away.

DaveChalk
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

While as a lifelong Angel I love the idea of Trout playing his entire career in an Angel uniform the harsh reality is only a full rebuild makes sense. Its not that with him and Ohtani the Angels don’t have something but its not a playoff team and never is going to be when the ceiling of rendon, trout, and ohtani gets lower every year (not Ohtani’s fault). Ohtani’s UCL looms even bigger for us because he is head and shoulders the best SP on a bad rotation and whether he stays or goes its lost to us while Trout continues to age or decline. I get the stadium won’t be fun for many without Trout or Ohtani but from a baseball standpoint no one can believe we have any window anymore. I mean most here get it and we still cheered on this year’s attempt but the moves suggested by the heart and the brain just don’t line up with Trout. I just can’t see him having the Nolan Ryan career post Angels.

DaveChalk
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  DaveChalk

I would add that we cant keep looking at return we might have got from Ohtani and Trout if we had traded them at “right” time. At this point, its what is best for team long term based on what we can get now. That being said, the contract is a Huge impediment on both salary relief and player return

Fansince1971
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  DaveChalk

Angels might have to eat 50% of the Trout contract to get anything for him.

DaveChalk
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Agreed which unfortunately with Moreno lessens the alternate roster investments we can make. Lol, not my checkbook but this point all of Rendon’s salary and 25-50% of Trout’s should just be put in other players since thats the real on field contribution last three years have told us to expect. Of course its not going to happen.

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

I would much rather try to find a way to get Rendon’s contract off the books. I think Mike is still good enough to be useful, plus there’s value having the face of the franchise stick around, even as he’s entering the Pujols stage of his career.

Fansince1971
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Here’s what Rendon would get you:

Angels eat 75% of his salary.

Angels receive a bag of balls.

That deal might be considered too rich for Rendon by other clubs.

Last edited 7 months ago by Fansince1971
MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’d do it in a minute for one used ball. Huge benefit to opening up the cap space. I’m assuming it would take a Cozart type move and it’s too bad we squandered many farm resources on the trade deadline moves. But that shouldn’t prevent us from trying everything possible.

Sportsdominator23
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Brent

For me the last straw was when the Angels’ Front Office decided to place those 6 Players on the Waiver Wire to get under the Luxury Tax (Salary dump, Business move, Angels being Angels or call it whatever you want) that makes me believe Trout would be Okay leaving and I don’t blame him. Even with Moore and Lopez not looking so good their last few games with the Angels, they could have tried to bring them back next year to remain competitive. So it looks like the Angels are going with Youth, rebuilding mode with Ohtani on the verge of leaving as well.

If I’m Trout, I’m going what’s going on? He’s been with the team for 12 years and only has one Playoff Series to show for it (Getting swept by the Royals in 2014). Would I love for Trout to Begin & End his Hall of Fame Career with playing just for the Angels? Absolutely. Realistically speaking, I can see him Demanding/Asking for a Trade seeing what has transpired this year. Angels aren’t Winning anytime soon, Full Rebuild should be the way to go.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
7 months ago

Trout became “Made of Glass” in 2016 and except in 2020 (The Covid-19 season.) he has missed a lot of games with injuries. He did not play with the intensity that he normally plays with this season. The fire was somehow missing.

Do we trade Trout in the off season, sure why not? But who is going to take him with his breaking down pattern. He is not really a decent CF’er any longer either.

If traded don’t expect a big return for him, that bus pulled out of the station years ago.

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago

I think Phillie would take the hometown boy. Maybe we could get a top young OF back, someone like Brandon Marsh. <g>.

tanana40
Super Member
7 months ago

Trout had 681 plate appearances in 2016. 507 plate appearances in 2017 (114 games),
Then 608 and 600 plate appearances in 2018 and 2019 respectively. Then there is
the COVID season and then three seasons where he was hurt a lot.

Not that is negates your point but it really has been the past three seasons that he has not played a lot.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
7 months ago

When do we start rebuilding officially, it’s a good time to start, better late than never applies here. Just saying…… 🙂 

Fansince1971
Legend
7 months ago

I agree with the call for a rebuild. But the time was really before Aug 1 when Ohtani should have been traded and the prospects that were traded, retained. By not doing that, any rebuild has been put at least 1 to 2 years behind where it could be. The sooner it starts, the better.

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago

It would be best to start fresh with someone new, who wouldn’t be defensive about the bad choices already made.

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago

From the desk of Mr.Moreno✨

I don’t rebuild.

Thanks,
Arte
💩

max
Trusted Member
max
7 months ago

Excellent write-up. Thank you!

CAoldskoll
Trusted Member
7 months ago

Too much talk about worst case scenario. First Philly could not take Trout cause it would take them so far over luxury tax. Yes Sho may leave, if he wants a championship but nothing is guaranteed. When Trout signed that contract he wanted to be ‘the man’, face of a franchise even if he may not ever win it all. That sucks, but wow, he could join Griffey, Bonds, Gwynn, Piazza, at HOF as some of the greatest never to win. No trophy will ever diminish his dedication and greatness

2002heaven
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

At least all but one those guys got to play in a WS (Gwynn played in two).
Griffey never played in one, Ohtani has never even been on a team with a winning record let alone made the post season!

...Rev Halofan
Editor
Trusted Member
7 months ago

Better draft pick and playing spoiler (preferably to the Astros) is about all there is…

clover_black
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  ...Rev Halofan

gonna trade this draft pick in 2025 cuz we are “all in” for 3rd place.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  clover_black

We’ll have to show Neto we’re serious about winning

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  ...Rev Halofan

Not sure it matters since this pick will get knocked down 10 spots when Arte decides to spend over 400 million on payroll next year,

Last edited 7 months ago by Cowboy26
Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago

I wish, I wish, I wish I was a fish.

AngelsFanInHell
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

👍🏼

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steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago

Mr. Limpet!

FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago

Momentum is going strong with Perry’s troups

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Twebur
Legend
7 months ago
Last edited 7 months ago by Twebur
FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I’m no longer all in on the “Let’s get Trout to the playoff.” Move him in the off-season. Don’t care what for.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Sorry Mike, you’re part of the problem.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Philadelphia, here I come!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago

If Sho leaves the Angels, it is quite likely that Trout would talk to Moreno/PM about being moved to Phillies. The question is whether Moreno would do what Cohen did for Scherzer and Verlander in terms of $$.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

If Trout gets traded and if Shohei signs elsewhere we’d be better off because then, instead of losing despite having two of the all-time great players, we’d be losing because we don’t have anyone who’s any good.

I exaggerate. Kind of.

FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago

I agree with this. I’m gonna take it even further. If they both stay, we’d be losing.

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

So they stay We Lose and If they go we Lose? Man tough decisions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMaE6toi4mk

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Cohen ate $$ to get a better prospect in return. Arte dont play that.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

In that worst-case scenario I see two possible outcomes.
#1 He sells the team and taps out
#2 He hands the team over to his younger wife Carole (see Gene to Jackie Autry 30yrs ago)
His 3 kids want nothing to do with the Angels, so none of them will be like Jeanie Buss or Raider’s owner Mark Davis. Keep in mind that I believe he would sell the team to guy who wants to move the team out of town though (Austin TX, Charlotte NC, TN Memphis or Nashville).

Last edited 7 months ago by 2002heaven
GrandpaBaseball
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

MLB is not going to approve the Angels moving out of SoCal, not going to happen, ever.

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

or #3: a few years from now Arte bites the big one and some schmo buys the team out of probate court.

TrAdition.

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

They have these “conversations” with Trout every off season. You can see they’ve been very fruitful.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
7 months ago

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago

Both Moore and Lopez have now pitched in late innings for the Guardians and they have performed well as expected. The Angels should consider re-signing them, but I am not sure if they want to be back.

FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

That last part is clutch. Behind the A’s, Anaheim has got to be on the stay away list.

Last edited 7 months ago by FungoAle
Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

There goes Beaver Steven Kwan tying the game hitting a clutch base hit with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th against the Rays. If Guardians end up winning this game, the acquisition of Moore and Lopez will be considered an important part of today’s victory.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Kwan hits the walk off sac fly to complete the comeback. What a kid!

Sportsdominator23
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

So you’re saying the Angels should try to reacquire Moore, Lopez & Giolito? Lopez & Giolito are a packaged deal (Both on the Nationals, both traded to the White Sox, both traded to the Angels & both Claimed by the Indians), lol.

Those guys coming back is out the window the moment the Angels placed them on Waivers and rightly so. I mean they learned about being on Waivers through rumors, media outlets or from their agents. They’re in the Playoff hunt with their new team, but still crazy how they had to pack up and leave this late in the Season.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago

If they perform as they should, there will be a multitude of teams who will be seeking their service. I was impressed with Moore and Lopez. Not so much with Giolito, but he has at least three to four more chances to prove his worth.

I agree that the Angels have burned the bridge by placing them on waivers without their knowledge. That’s downright icy cold. They will not return to Anaheim. The Angels will need to rebuild their bullpen and will have to sign a few during this winter.

Sportsdominator23
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Yeah Moore & Lopez will find plenty of Suitors in the Offseason. I was hoping the Angels would bring them back next Season, before seeing that Waiver Wire stuff happening. And I was joking about Giolito tagging along because wherever Giolito has gone Lopez has gone with him (Sure that will probably change next Season).

Angels probably going with youth movement in the Bullpen next Season, maybe add some Free Agents, but who knows.

sadnewfan
Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Loss goes to Devinsky.

aces666high
Trusted Member
7 months ago

Hoping for a sweep. The more the embarrassing it gets, the better of a chance we see something of substance change.

The firing of yet another subpar staff is almost guaranteed but what does that matter w/the lack of grey matter in the FO? If Arte wants to continue to be giggled at behind his back by his billionaire owner cronies, he’ll continue to do what he does. But if he is tired of being a laughingstock, he’ll do something real about it….maybe…ok like a 25% chance.

Those hoping he sells? Not gonna happen. He’s a spiteful man and even from his ivory tower, he hears us peons yelling at him to sell. He’ll hold on just to stick it to us, it’s not like it’s costing him anything.

James
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  aces666high

A sports franchise is a money maker and billionaires love making money

halofansince1978
Super Member
7 months ago

Another GREAT outing by Canning!!

FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago

Phil was masterful, managing just enough to make the tank extremely hard to detect. That nod to Squid to take off running to third was slick. Brilliant!

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago

Franchise is Tanking or quitting on 2023. I’m assuming most of the coaching staff isn’t coming back. I’ll list Phillip and Wise as 100% fired, I will personally file a Malpractice Lawsuit if they are back.

I’m agnostic on re-signing Shohei, leaning to wanting him back regardless of the cost, because I like watching him. I’d say near 0% chance he’ll even consider us.

Assuming even Shohei feels Philly and Wise are horrible and would never re-sign if they came back in 2023.. If you’re Arte don’t you fire Phil-Wise today? Get it over with, can’t hurt, won’t hurt, one less shit show to discuss in the future.

They then quietly go to Shohei’s people (mom) and say…If there is a chance he’d consider coming back, is there anyone he’d like to be our next manager? Give us a list…
This is assuming that might make a difference in helping him make a decision. It gives you a window to further kiss his ass, and you can get a jump on the process.

James
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

His contract will be too high and too long and the Angels will just be stuck with another declining overpaid star in the not too distant future. We need a youth movement and I highly doubt he wants to come back here anyway.

FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Makes little sense to fire people now, just puts even more negative focus on the shit show. Bad enough was the Great Waiver Day.

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

The negative focus is pushing 11 right now, can’t go much higher. Do it on the heels of the “Waiver Wire Debacle of 2023” (which will be added to the list of trAditions)… Do it before the TANKING process reaches a shame level that becomes legendary.

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I hope you realize that we will have an epic collapse in September, get one of the top 4 spots in the MLB draft lottery and still end up drafting 10th next July.

TrAdition.

Sportsdominator23
Trusted Member
7 months ago

Looking back at the Glory years (2002-2012, we’ll go with a Decade time span) when the Angels were either Winning the Division or in the Playoffs every year things started to go South when it became a 5 Team Division instead of their 4 team Division. Damn those Astros, it should have been another team that joined their Division. Just miss seeing the Angels when they were a competent Organization

Brent
Super Member
7 months ago

The team needs at least 10 wins to have a better record than last season… I’m not sure they’ll get there.