LA Angeles Wednesday News Crash: Given up

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Dogface1956

26 days ago

I think some here are feeling a tad bit discouraged about the chances that the Angeles will have in both the near future and long term. Well let me tell a story about a team, team USA when it was down, “when the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor”

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Robbinsca

26 days ago

Well, if Arte is looking to make sure he gets under the Lux Tax he can see if anyone takes the original 6, then when not enough do he can place Shohei on waivers- that gets him under the all important tax line.

We are, after all, talking about Arte.

I’m done with Arte’s Angels. I went to 5 MLB games this season but only one in Anaheim. I stopped my daily check in on Angles news a couple of weeks ago.

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DowningDude

26 days ago

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The deadline is tomorrow

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Charles Sutton

26 days ago

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If they waived Shohei they even lose out on making him the QO, otherwise heck yeah somebody would claim him and solve Arte’s luxury tax problems. That compensation pick is going to be the last pathetic thing they could hope to squeeze out of this situation.

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smithy610

26 days ago

After all of the dirty laundry that has come out on the Angels the last few days, weeks, it’s a wonder now why Trout chose to EXTEND with the Angels, seeing what he’s seen, experienced what he did, and knowing what he knew then.

I understand big FA’s signing here – Pujols, Wilson, Rendon, Shohei, etc. – they’re sold a ton of goods, lots of money, promises, etc., and maybe they should have done more due diligence on their end. But I can imagine them being shocked on the first day seeing how the Angels actually operate on a day-to-day basis. I imagine, if you have players be really honest, a lot of them would probably say they regret signing here.

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Dogface1956

26 days ago

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My point exactly he has been the perfect face of the franchise no complaints despite the shit storm that often swirls around him. He deserves every penny of his contract even if he does not play another game for the Angels, that said I hope he comes back and resumes playing like we know he can.

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Roy Hobbs

26 days ago

Reply to Dogface1956

I love Trout as much as you but he isn’t worth it if he doesn’t play and his salary counts against the payroll.

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Dogface1956

26 days ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

I’m sorry we are going to have to agree to disagree. He has meant so much for the Angels we have wasted millions and millions maybe even billion on bad contracts, but Trout is should not be lumped in with the bozo’s that the team gave previous bad contracts. When Trout signed his contract I think most people here and fans in general were extremely happy that he would finish his career with the Angels.

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DowningDude

26 days ago

Reply to Dogface1956

Let’s see what you say after 3 more years of sub-90 games total played out of 162 in the next 3 – 5 years.

Sorry, just a bit on the doomer side WRT Trout at the moment.

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DowningDude

26 days ago

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Dogface1956

26 days ago

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I will say the same thing, even if Trout never played another baseball game, I would feel that he was worth the extension and the dollars. He has been pretty much the only thing worth watching since 2011 and I am glad to see that he has been rewarded for everything he has meant for the Angels. He has truely been the greatest Angel of them all on and off the field.

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DowningDude

26 days ago

Reply to Dogface1956

Agreed. What’s crazy is even in his “down” years, he’s still 2.2 – 2.7WAR. Amazing stuff. Just wish he could stay on the field.

Be well.

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Dogface1956

26 days ago

Reply to DowningDude

By the way my previous and still one of my favorite Angels would be Downing, I remember when the LA Times ran a story about him having a batting cage in his back yard (this was way before players had that of stuff set up in their mansions) I think he got more with less talent than any player I have ever seen. He willed himself into becoming a very, very good player.

Although looking back I wonder if he had some medical help, he pretty much beefed up over one off season,. went from having regular guns to having oversized guns Arnold would be proud off.

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DowningDude

26 days ago

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Rev did some articles on Brian at the old site. Pretty sure that Downing was pre-roids. But he did spend hours and hours in the weight room including time with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Photo shoot for “Halo Magazine” (stadium game programs back in the day)

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Dogface1956

26 days ago

Reply to DowningDude

I will have to try and find them.

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DowningDude

26 days ago

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Went to google and found this:
Slowly, conditioning improved. More players cut back on the booze and a few of the most intelligent, such as Tom Seaver, Nolan Ryan, and Brian Downing, started to lift weights.

Baseball’s first flagrantly obvious steroid abuser didn’t arrive until 1986, when the Oakland A’s Jose Canseco won Rookie of the Year. Canseco started out tall and slender in the minor leagues, but eventually bulked up to 240 pounds. Most tellingly, he possessed the juicer’s equivalent of the portrait of Dorian Gray: his identical twin Ozzie, who stayed spindly and in the minors for years, before eventually inflating himself too.

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DowningDude

26 days ago

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Not from Rev, necessarily, but stuff I found out there.

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DowningDude

26 days ago

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Remember – BALCO … bay area was where it all started.

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smithy610

26 days ago

Reply to Dogface1956

I feel the same way. Trout is not like some big, soon-to-be-washed-out free agent, big splash signing based on Arte’s impulse. They were paying him dirt cheap when he was at his peak – I know, I know, that’s how the system goes. And yes, they could have traded him away if only Arte and Eppler had a perfect vision of the future where they predicted his numerous injuries. But I just think of his monster contract as the eventual payment for all his best years he played with the Angels.

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John Henry Weitzel

26 days ago

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I think it is his family values. Stuff like Loyalty and shit. Angels got really REALLY lucky with him

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halofansince1978

26 days ago

Yes this is awful and we’re going to be bad for a long time.

But it serves no purpose to complain about it all day long.

I’m a Halo Honk for life and will continue to think positive.

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ihearhowie3.0

26 days ago

I’d talked myself into the injuries just being bad luck in recent years but it’s hard not to consider that what CJ Wilson was saying was happening 10 years ago has been consistent in some form after he left.

The organization didn’t feed its minor leaguers until bullied publicly and it was the first to cut pay to their lowest earning farm hands and scouts in 2020 to save relative drops in the bucket so you can assume costs are also shaved at the big league level on personnel and training/performance type stuff.

That’s great we got the Driveline guy to modernize our pitching training but was there any resources devoted to making sure that ramping up velocity was being balanced with appropriate levels of rest/rehab/pre-hab injury prevention?

I don’t care at all about payroll levels any more. This year showed it is meaningless if you aren’t doing the other stuff around the margins that actually keeps guys on the field.

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smithy610

26 days ago

Reply to ihearhowie3.0

There are some freak injuries that maybe even the best medical staff will not be able to avoid: Ward’s hit on the face, Trout’s hamate bone fracture, Gio’s pelvic fracture… heck even Rendon’s bone bleeding, are some really unlucky ones.

But Shohei’s torn UCL, Logan/Matt/Brandon/Bachman’s shoulder inflammations, Devenski’s hamstring… heck, even Loup had to figure out FOR HIMSELF he needed to lose weight to be more effective!! These are legitimate injuries that can be blamed on a bad medical team and horrible facilities.

I know Pujols was a broken man when the Angels got him, but maybe his foot-that-never-healed is an indictment of an incompetent medical staff (as CJ pointed to).

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YOUknowulovetheIE

26 days ago

Time to embrace the rebuild. No idea what it’s going to look like, but I’ll be here for it.

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Twebur

26 days ago

Reply to YOUknowulovetheIE

Tell Arte….if he’s still around.

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Cowboy26

26 days ago

Reply to YOUknowulovetheIE

Do you really trust anyone remotely associated with the organization to oversee a complete rebuild?

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Pineapple12

26 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

If Perry was given full autonomy and the funds to fully develop the minor leagues, then yes.

Sadly, that’s not the case under King Arturo.

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TrojanBoiler

26 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I agree with this take. I actually think Perry has done a pretty good job, especially with roster construction. If he has a fault, it is not cutting bad coaching as quickly as he has been willing to cut underperforming players.

The decision to go all-in at the trade deadline feels like an Arte decision that Perry had no choice but to go along with and try his best. He was put in a losing situation IMO.

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Cowboy26

26 days ago

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After everyone one of his deadline deals imploded, how can you blindly still blame Arte and let Perry off the hook?

Did you really think Arte told Perry to trade for Giolito & Lopez immediately or he would be fired? Or Cron ? or Grichuk? Or Escobar? or Leone? or Mous?

Those are on Perry. he got hornswoggled . Now if you want to blame Arte for hiring PTP thats fine. But the GM made these deals he needs to take responsibility for them.

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Pineapple12

26 days ago

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I’m not sure whether going for it was Arte or Perry’s idea. Regardless, I agreed it with it in the moment and still do. Not sure we can unilaterally blame Perry for the complete collapse of this team post-trade deadline.

The moves failed. Pick yourself up, brush the dirt off, clean the blood up and move on. You won’t find me checking the box scores for Quero, Bush, Albright, Madden, etc and beating a dead horse. Best of luck to all of them.

If we actually embrace a rebuild, we need a GM who is able to identify and aquire young talent. Amidst some of Perry failures (and yes, he has made several of them), the man has done well acquiring/drafting Moniak, O’Hoppe, Neto, Schanuel, etc.

Also, I think Perry’s model of moving players quickly thru the minors is somewhat revolutionary and other teams will adopt the thinking sooner than later.

If the main objective of a rebuild is thru the draft and trades, I’m good with Perry leading the effort.

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Cowboy26

26 days ago

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Revolutionary? It’s what rebuilding teams do . But the problem is you deal with a lot of labor pains such as a catcher who throws down to first base when both runners are standing at second

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smithy610

26 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Perry was much better when he was selling (Moniak, O’Hoppe) than when he was buying (Giolito, Grichuk, etc.)

That said, I still think it was the correct move to buy. And I still think they were good acquisitions, on paper, at that time. It just didn’t work out. For one, I didn’t think Giolito would be this horrible. If he would have kept his Sox ERA in the Angels games, those games would have been fine. Grichuk was a much needed acquisition after Ward went down.

It’s not like Perry didn’t have a plan and was just shooting darts. The plan just didn’t work out.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

26 days ago

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Here, I’ll provide us all with the magic answer.

The Players.

CtPG Guy can rub his crotch and pull on his mustache and talk about Arte and Perry and Nevin and coaching all he wants but nobody forced any of the players to get hurt and nobody forced the players to suck ass.

The teams we will see in the play offs also make a lot of mistakes in managing and coaching. They also have twits on their fanboards rubbing themselves and complaining. But they get more innings from their good players and the majority of their players don’t suck as often as ours do.

There is no magic coach, manager, GM or owner out there who is gonna get Sandoval, Anderson and Detmers to quit making the same damn mistakes over and over again unless they, you know, stop making mistakes. Same with thehitters.

We all want to blame someone for not making the players a better milkshake in the morning and holding their left hand instead of the right while watching the same video everyone else gets. But it’s the players. They suck.

It’s probably because they have been basted in Angels Fanbase Piss Ju Ju for weeks at a time.

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steelgolf

26 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

You never know. Perry took some chances on what was available in his budget, but Arte is the one who made Carlton trade for Vernone Wells, so nothing is beyond the realm of possibility.

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TrojanBoiler

26 days ago

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Because those moves went against the kind of restraint we’ve seen from Perry over the last couple of years. He made brilliant moves at the deadline last year. And this off-season, he avoided paying huge money for an elite SS or top-flight starter. He made smart mid-range additions that mostly worked out. The roster was infinitely better this season until injuries decimated it.

Switching to a hyper-aggressive balls-to-the-wall approach doesn’t feel like Perry’s m.o.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

26 days ago

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If you can explain how PTP was supposed to know those players would suck…. and also know that we’d have more injuries… and, oh yeah, most of the roster he already had was also going to suck, on or before August 1st then you win me over.

Cause, as we all know, I’m smart as f***. I knew those trades weren’t all for earth shattering players, but they were still good moves as august arrived…. then splat. Brilliant as I am, if the game plan was to screw the farm and go for it because CtPG Guy NEEEEDZ the play offs NOOWWWWZZ then I can’t think of many better moves than PTP made realistically.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

26 days ago

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Yes. PTP was there for both Toronto and Atlanta’s rebuilds. Trouble is, the team really has to really really rebuild. Not sort of rebuild. I’m talkin full on ugly ass rebuild…. where the most exciting thing is ShamWow at 1B for a couple years.

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ihearhowie3.0

26 days ago

Reply to YOUknowulovetheIE

There is no rebuild with Arte’s operation. They may stop trying to win and embrace a losing season, but don’t for a minute think these idiots are capable of building anything back up.

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YOUknowulovetheIE

26 days ago

Reply to ihearhowie3.0

Fletch and walsh going from solid players to scrubs was a surprise to everyone. Not even arte can be blamed for that.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

26 days ago

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We can find a way.

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nishiogawakun

27 days ago

Finding you’ve been out on waivers via your phone on the news seems like bad form, does it not?

We’re going to be so bad next year, and I’ll be here for it. And I mean literally here, on this site, because I don’t think I’ll be able to stand to watch too many games.

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Kiyotchan

26 days ago

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Agree with you in that the Angels treated these recently acquired players as merchandise. It is icy cold part of business of baseball.

I think the players agents are probably frustrated that they could not have a part in these transactions and profit from them. I assume that for next CBA, the players would demand that the waiver transaction would only take place with their approval/permission just as no trade clause would.

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Jim Atkins

27 days ago

Is this apparent tankathon coming from the management down or the players up? Either way, Ohtani wants no part of it. The man has his pride, justifiably so.

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Kiyotchan

27 days ago

According to MLBTR:

If anyone from this the group goes unclaimed, their former team does not have to outright them to a minor league affiliate; the player can simply be retained on the Major League roster and continue playing out the season. The club could also choose to outright any of those players to a minor league affiliate, at which point they’d be able to reject the assignment in favor of free agency and retain their full salary (as is the right of all players with five-plus years of Major League service). Any player who does so and signs with a new team prior to 11:59pm ET on Aug. 31 would be eligible for his new club’s postseason roster.

So, who do you think will go unclaimed out of the 6 Angel players who were placed on waivers?

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Fansince1971

27 days ago

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My presumption would be Grichuk and Renfroe. The pitchers will likely all be claimed unless all the other teams get together and try to screw Arte.

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Kiyotchan

27 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

I agree with you. Both Grichuk and Renfroe are in today’s starting lineup. It will be an intriguing theater in a sense to observe how those two play in an hour. Based on what they did yesterday, Grichuk was able to rise above the noise (in fact, he may have used it as motivation) while Hunter not so much.

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Cowboy26

27 days ago

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After Grichuk’s game yesterday , Im not so sure he gets unclaimed.

Renfroe, on the other hand, wouldn’t leave even if we put all his locker contents in a box and changed the clubhouse locks.

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Kiyotchan

26 days ago

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With Yu Darvish probably gone with right elbow ailment for the remainder of the season, despite Padres playoff chance at 1.8%, I would not be surprised if Padres claim Giolito if they think that would increase their chance of signing him off season. Giving him mutual audition if you will especially he probably wants to stay in SoCal where he was born, grew up and went to college. And his being placed on waivers pretty much ended any chance of him willing to sign with the Angels off this season.

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Twebur

27 days ago

I’ll assume Arte will not sell the team anytime soon. I’ll assume Shohei will not re-sign.
I’ll assume Arte will not do a rebuild. I’ll assume he will send up the to the Luxury Tax Threshold, maybe exceed it if he can dump salary and stay under this year.

What is coming off the books in October? Too GA to figure it out, horrible at math, I’m a big dummy, I’m an Angel fan…….

Rough math, $100,000,000 for FA next year? Assuming we can trick some guys into signing with us, that’s a good chunk of cash to shop with.

Free us from the Baseball GODS HATEFUL GRIP!

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Pineapple12

27 days ago

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I don’t understand Arte, man. Your fanbase despises you. The commissioner despises you. The other owners despise you. Your team sucks. You are 77 years old. You have 100000000% X your investment with this team. Your kids clearly don’t want to take over when you die.

What are we still doing here? Sell the team and go away dude.

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Crcnme20

27 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Man, that sounds harsh but its one million percent true. I don’t get it either, doubt any of us Angel fans do.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

26 days ago

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Stop complaining and vote Octogenarian for President.

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Marcotor

26 days ago

Reply to Twebur

I’d say forget spending to near the cap on a team that is going to be Mike Trout and 8 others, and invest a portion of that “savings” in competent minor league development. Even a middle of the pack system produces decent talent . But it won’t happen.

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halofansince1978

27 days ago

I wonder what Ohtani thinks about all these shenanigans…get me the F outa here?

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Kiyotchan

27 days ago

Reply to halofansince1978

From the way he had three base hits and attempted steal to third (which in my mind was slight TOOTBLAN with hottest Hee-Fo at bat), he will continue to do his best to contribute to Angels’ win. Secondly, he is going for MLB Homerun crown and 400 TB (he is currently at 322). His ability to tune out “all the noise” around him is simply amazing.

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halofansince1978

27 days ago

Reply to Kiyotchan

Clear the Mechanism.

https://youtu.be/V8x-o1V1OYI

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

26 days ago

Reply to halofansince1978

Fk I hope so. The best thing about this collapse is after October I don’t have to read as many “Thoughts of Shohei” comments.

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Fansince1971

26 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Agreed. Tired of all the focus being on 1 player

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halofansince1978

27 days ago

Right now we’re tied for the #10 pick in the 2024 draft…just lose baby!!

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Twebur

27 days ago

Reply to halofansince1978

They will screw up the TANK at some point.

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steelgolf

27 days ago

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And will end up picking between 14 and 20. TrAdition.

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Cowboy26

27 days ago

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And Just think, Next seasons Angels starting third baseman is just finishing up his first weeks Communications 200 class heading over across the mall to find thePsych Building. Assuming, of course, that college athletes still attend class?

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Twebur

27 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

Ha!!

And the Poor Sucker doesn’t even know it…he will get drafted by one of the worst franchises in professional sports. Probably a small school nobody has heard of with the name Fightin’ So-and-So’s..
Good thing baseball players don’t pull a John Elway, Eli Manning “I don’t want to play there – I’ll hold out until you trade me. Or F it, I won’t sign.
I’ll continue playing at South Eastern Lafayette, LA Tech A& M Fightin’ Cajun Warriors.”

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steelgolf

26 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

😂 Hopefully that 3rd baseman can man the hot corner at least 60% of the time , while Rendon is on the IL, as usual.

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Roy Hobbs

26 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

I don’t want to see Redone play one more inning at third base next year

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Marcotor

26 days ago

Reply to halofansince1978

but.. but.. The Angels minor league system can’t even develop ONE player and we trade all the future Cy and MVP’s away! Don’t you read the posts here?

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Fansince1971

27 days ago

Question – once a team claims a player on waivers, does their waiver position change?

For example – say that the Reds claim Giolito- do they still enjoy priority over all the other teams with regard to the other available players?

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halofansince1978

27 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

To further your example…could the Reds claim all five players?

Or does it go through the list and come back around to the Reds?

And to your specific question would the Reds still be the #1 team?

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Kiyotchan

27 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

That is a good question. As far as I can glean from all the available information, it does not affect the priority list. Also, it does not say a team is limited to just one player. So, if teams are still buyers, they can claim multiple players. I think D backs, Twins, Cubs, Blue Jays, or Phillies will scoop up Moore and Lopez before Arstros or Rangers to their dismay.

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Cowboy26

27 days ago

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Oh and BTW the Angels are not the only team that has placed players on irrevocable waivers. We are getting so much pub because Perry put almost 1/4 of the active roster on it. But I would venture to say theres probably 30 to 40 players that have been put on waivers the last couple of days ( due to the impending Sept 1 playoff roster deadline) but you never hear about it because none of them were claimed.

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Kiyotchan

27 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

I did listen to Yankees podcast yesterday about Josh Donaldson being released (they probably wavered him, but no taker) and Jake Bauer who has been placed on waivers. Donaldson was acquired at $21 MM x 2 yrs with next year mutual option of $16 MM by trading away Geo Urshela and Gary Sanchez. It will be intriguing if Cashman/Boone will survive the wrath of east coast media and their fans.

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Cowboy26

27 days ago

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Cashman probably will. Boone not so much.

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Twebur

27 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

And this is nothing new and I’m sure more players have been put on it that we haven’t heard about yet. The scrutiny on the Angels is well deserved and understandable. And every single one of those guys will welcome a chance to get out, maybe land on a playoff team or contender.

My curiosity now is how abnormal is the “Angel Way” of handling it?

They are running business here. Just not very well.

https://youtu.be/ZgmVfgv-B5E?si=A4gdCvs367cXyjmI&t=21

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Fansince1971

26 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

Well I think it also has something to do with these are the same players that prospects were given away for approximately 1 month ago

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Cowboy26

27 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

I would think not. I dont think it’s like a draft Or the Waiver order you see above would constantly be changing.

Remember there are no returns or exchanges. All sales are final so the claiming team would have to make a corresponding move off of their 40 man roster which they maybe reluctant to do. Most contending teams have full 40 man rosters right now. Although according to roster resource the Reds have an open roster spot at 39 .

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Fansince1971

27 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

So one team could conceivably claim and receive all the players provided they could make room on their roster? That’s pretty crazy. Will be really interesting to see what happens. Maybe they will all collude to screw over Arte.

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Cowboy26

27 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

it rewards the contending teams with the lesser record but if you want parity I guess its probably the most efficient way.

Not sure how not claiming a player that could potentially help their team would be stifled by collusion against evil Arte. In the past teams with lesser records would intentionally claim players to keep them away from their competing rivals. I would think there would still be some of that strategy if you can find a roster spot for that player.

But I think you would really have bigger issues If you’re not emphasizing winning and getting into the playoffs. Most teams that adopt that philosophy (the A’s & Pirates for example) aren’t in the playoff hunt anyways.

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Fansince1971

26 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

Meaning all the other teams agree not to claim any of the Angels players off waivers to make it so the Angels only get a 4th round comp pick not a 2nd rounder for Ohtani.

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toad2065

26 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

Stupid comment!

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ScoopleDoople

27 days ago

I am really looking forward to baseball next year!

Why? We are retiring in January and moving to Puerto Rico in the spring (my wife is from there).

Almost every town of any size there has a baseball team and nice little stadium. Her best friends go to games all over the island. I am looking forward to seeing some good inexpensive baseball. At least for the first couple of years until my Spanish catches up, I won’t even understand any team drama that might be going on. I have followed the Angels for most of my life. It will be a relief to just go to games and relax and have fun. 😀

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Fansince1971

27 days ago

Reply to ScoopleDoople

That’s awesome!! Enjoy it – that should be a great fan experience. You can be the PR scout for this site.

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steelgolf

26 days ago

Reply to ScoopleDoople

Can you scout some players and send Arte a scouting report? Don’t know if he has ever read one, so you better cc Perry too.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

26 days ago

Reply to ScoopleDoople

DDDUUUUDDE!! I want to do winter baseball in Puerto/Dominican so bad! That is gonna be so awesome for you.

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Pineapple12

27 days ago

For anyone who has been screaming for a rebuild, you are going to get it next season:

C: O’Hoppe/Thaiss
1B: Schanuel
2B: Drury (trade piece)
SS: Neto
3B: Rengifo
LF: Ward
CF: Trout
RF: Moniak/Adell
DH: Rendone (I hate you)
SP: Detmers, Sandoval, Canning, Silseth
RP: Estevez (trade piece), Soriano, Joyce, Bachman

In the off chance Turks reads this post, I would love to hear his thoughts on Nolan Schanuel. The kid is mighty impressive.

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smithy610

27 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Anderson is still an SP for next season, no?

We will soon see our own version of the Rangers’ A-Rod and the kids.

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Pineapple12

27 days ago

Reply to smithy610

Unfortunately, you are correct. Let’s go ahead and ticket Tyler Anderson for 25 starts and a 5.5 ERA

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steelgolf

26 days ago

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Do you think he will get his ERA down that low?

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fishfarm

27 days ago

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Poor Trout

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Pineapple12

27 days ago

Reply to fishfarm

I love Trouty. The man is getting paid $36 million to play 50% of the games and build a golf course with Tiger Woods.

Rich Trout

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FungoAle

27 days ago

Reply to fishfarm

Trout is part of the problem, no sympathy here

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Crcnme20

27 days ago

Reply to FungoAle

Unfortunately I have to agree here. Loved the guy when he was healthy for us, but its been half a decade since he played a full season for the Angels. His monstrous contract combined with Rendon’s is only going to hurt this team going forward.

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Dogface1956

26 days ago

Reply to FungoAle

Sorry just can’t agree with this, for everything he has done for the organization, complaints for the lousy organization, teams, circumstances (players dying, drugs, etc.) he deserves every penny. He will be the first Angel to really go into the hall of fame as an Angel I don’t count Guerrero he really had his best years with the Expos. I don’t see him as part of the problem and hopefully he will be healthy the next few years and return to him being the player we know he can be.

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DowningDude

26 days ago

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Sounds like Hopium but I’m on board

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Dogface1956

26 days ago

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Yep I am mainlining “Hopium” when it comes to Trout, I am pulling for him to get healthy and return to the player he was and I think if anyone can do it the “fat kid” can.

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26 days ago

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Dogface1956

26 days ago

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Got all you need.

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steelgolf

26 days ago

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Rengifo as the full time 3rd baseman? ??? Bold strategy, Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them.

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Roy Hobbs

26 days ago

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I actually like this team if you replaced one of the corner outfielders and the DH with legitimate middle of the order bats and addressed the bullpen and starting pitching.

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Dogface1956

26 days ago

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I hope they dress the bullpen and starting pitching soon I would hate to continue to see them without uniforms.

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2GA2Join

26 days ago

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I was going to post exactly this list at some point, to talk about what people want to call our “core”. I would think of core players as guys that will be around more than 1 year, they are decent (so you aren’t always looking for a replacement), and they are somewhat durable (so you can count on the position being reasonably filled). For example, Simba was part of our core for years.
I look above, and yikes, that is why I think we have a lot of possible work to do.

O’Hoppe: we O’Hope. We don’t know if he will be a solid full time player yet.
Schanuel: He only has a handful of at bats… looking good, but so did Walsh!
Drury: just next year, not core
Neto: Like O’Hoppe… can he stay on the field consistently?
Rengifo: He isn’t a starting 3B… but he is a great super Util guy
Ward: We don’t know if he will come back and be productive like he once was yet.
Trout: People will go nuts if I don’t list him as “core”, but really, how much has he been on the field in the past few years?
Moniak: Will he be a starting OF long-term? Or a 4th OF?
DH: Nope

Starters: It looks like a bunch of #3/4/5 guys to me. We don’t have a #1 or #2. Unless someone takes a big step forward.

Relievers: Soriano? That’s it? Esty will be gone, not long term. And Joyce/Bachman have barely played, so too early to declare them as core pitching staff.

Going through my list tells me that either:
We need everything to go right with all those players.
Or we need to acquire an entire team through free agency. (Well, we certainly can’t trade for anyone!)

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

26 days ago

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I actually like this…..

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Pineapple12

27 days ago

Luis Rengifo plays baseball today !!!

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Fansince1971

27 days ago

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Dude – if that’s all you got you got very little. He’s hot right now. Wait til he reverts to his mean.

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Pineapple12

27 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

In all seriousness, this is Rengifo’s 5th season with us — in 3 seasons where he has received more than 350 ABs:

2019: 1.6 WAR
2022: 2.4 WAR
2023: 1.6 WAR

When Rengifo is given consistent playing time it’s proven at this point that he is a productive, above average MLBer. Add in the fact that he is extremely durable and can adequately play 6/9 positions on the baseball field.

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Fansince1971

27 days ago

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I agree that he is a major leaguer. He certainly has ability and I think he will get plenty of opportunities in 2024.

In 440 games played he has generated 4.3 WAR. So he has had some negative WAR seasons as well. But overall that is around a 1.5 WAR player and as you say he’s versatile. So that’s something.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

27 days ago

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I’m scared to say it…but Arte was correct not to trade him to the Dodgers.

There’s many truths in life: don’t spit into the wind, don’t trade with Andrew Friedman or any Tampa Bay GM, and nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you’re wrong.

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Pineapple12

27 days ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

I haven’t thought about that would-be-trade in like a year…you are on the money.

Would have been a major fleece by Friedman. Arte for Owner/GM !!

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DowningDude

26 days ago

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One truth you missed – “Never enter a land war in Asia” – Vizzini

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Dogface1956

26 days ago

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Another one would be “Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!”

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Roy Hobbs

26 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Yes that is the downside of making him your starting 3B, he won’t be available to play all the other positions. His flexibility is a big strength.

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27 days ago

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smithy610

27 days ago

I think CJ Wilson is a huge ass, but I don’t think there are any lies here:

C.J. Wilson
a refusal to spend on healthcare, a constant effort to “shave costs” on player training, underpaying medical staff, being understaffed on medical side, firing established top doctors etc. Thinking players magically heal with advil and ice. Indicative of large issues.

After Wayne said last night how the Phillies have only ONE player on the 60-day IL, and reading what Wilson tweeted, I don’t think it’s just “unlucky” that the Angels have a bazillion players on the IL every single season.

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Crcnme20

27 days ago

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Until things like this surfaced I always wondered why our players seemed to live on the DL annually. Now we all know the reason, our owner refuses to spend money on the things that actually matter and would prefer to blow it all on huge contracts that tend to fail.

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Simba

26 days ago

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Wait – Advil and ice isn’t how you treat injuries?

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steelgolf

26 days ago

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No! You treat them with a “tincture” that you buy on the corner in the DR.

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Dogface1956

26 days ago

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I always heard it was “rub some dirt on it” fixes everything.

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Cowboy26

26 days ago

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But we have the bestest trainer in all of baseball. He was an all star for heaven sakes.

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ihearhowie3.0

26 days ago

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Yeah. I remember reading a few years ago the Dodgers were all about sleep science and making special rooms to make sure players got adequate sleep since that is what repairs your body.

Not saying that is the silver bullet but it shows how one organization is obsessed with maxing out every drop of performance and efficiency while the other is focused on being able to afford SPLASHY free agent by cutting costs everywhere else behind the curtain.

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smithy610

26 days ago

Reply to ihearhowie3.0

If you want to, go read CJ’s entire rant. It’s certainly eye-opening, mind-blowing, and not in a good way…

From special treadmills, to Chick-Fil-A breakfasts, etc., it’s quite an interesting read….

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DowningDude

26 days ago

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Wilson is a whiny tool

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max

26 days ago

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linky-poo?

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

26 days ago

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Wasn’t this shit years ago? We hired a whole new pile of guys heading into 2022.

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GrandpaBaseball

27 days ago

The Force is strong in him, the Jedi….long, long ago….

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GhostGuest

27 days ago

Out.

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GrandpaBaseball

27 days ago

Thank God for the A’s…….

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smithy610

27 days ago

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Serious question – which would be the better team next year – A’s or the Angels?

Unless some kind of witching magic happens, it’s not that far-fetched to think that the Angels will be the cellar-dwellers next season.

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Crcnme20

27 days ago

Reply to smithy610

If the A’s ever get any money we are going to be looking up at them from the bottom of the division. Through the years their development of players has blown ours away. They need money to spend though and until that happens they will continue to fight an uphill battle.

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