Another Gut Punch. Angels Lose 3-2.

The Angels paid Tyler Anderson $39 million to hopefully be a solid piece of the rotation. Tyler is the latest in a seemingly endless string of free agents tasked with giving quality innings; most of whom failed miserably.

George Kirby was on the board in 2019 when the Angels selected Wil Wilson in the first round of the draft. The younger, cost controlled Kirby outpitched Anderson tonight just like he has all year.

Anderson has been about 10% worse than league average while Kirby has been 19% better. Tonight he went 7 innings giving up only one run. That run was a bomb by former/new Halo Randall Grichuk.

Manager Phil Nevin entered today with a heavily taxed bullpen thanks to three consecutive Angels starters failing to pitch more than four innings. But that didn’t stop him from pulling a pretty effective Tyler Anderson after 5 innings and only 80 pitches tonight. He did allow 2 runs on 2 hits.

The score was 2-1 Seattle when newcomer Domic Leone had his second big night at the Big A, blanking Seattle over two innings. Jose Soriano came in for the 8th and put the Angels down 3-1.

Brandon Drury looked to have tied the game with a two out hit to deep left field. With two runners on base and Squid the runner at first, two runs would have easily scored had the ball stayed in play. It jumped over the wall into the dugout for a ground rule double. That made the game 3-2 with runners on second and third.

After the Mariners walked Mickey Moniak, Hunter Renfroe stepped to the plate with the bases loaded. Mr. Unclutch did his thing and left the runners on base with one of his patented K’s.

Yet another brutal loss for the Angels who have lost 5 in a row and their winning record.

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SimonKiller
Newbie
11 months ago

You gotta believe

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
11 months ago

some unfortunate math musing…

we have 50 games left. If we play at the .600 level we’d go 30-20 and yes, we all doubt that it could be done but let’s say the lads get it together and play that well.

Baltimore or Tampa will win the East and the other will be a wild card. Same, probably, with Texas and Houston, leaving just one wild card spot.

Toronto is way ahead today and will win, leaving 49 games to play. In order to beat out an Angels team that finishes with 30 more wins, the Blue Jays could play sub .500 ball. That is, a 24-25 finish would be good enough to beat us out.

But hey, maybe we’ll go 35-15!

Marcotor
Trusted Member
11 months ago

Yay Rendon! Now the angst-filled speculation only based on hate for him “cancer in the clubhouse” threads can begin!

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
11 months ago

Arte Moreno has been his own worst enemy with respects to owning the Angels. Arte does not have the Midas Touch, but I will say this about the 2023 season, the Angels are fortunate to be at .500 with a roster currently of has beens and wanta be’s, and hopeful’s filling in for the injured.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor

At least Rendon is correct on one of his two points.

Last edited 11 months ago by Kiyotchan
Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor

What a douche.

Erstad with the catch
Member
11 months ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor

The Rendon signing might turn out to be even worse than the Pujols deal. Not only is he terrible but he’s bad in the clubhouse.

Baseball players, by and large, begin their decline after age 29. Artie should keep this in mind this off-season with Ohtani.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
11 months ago

It’s worse than the Chris Davis / Orioles deal.

At least Pujols played and tried to produce.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
11 months ago

True story.

max
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max
11 months ago

Ohtani is going to do the Angels a huge favor by signing somwhere else. Arte can’t help himself

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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11 months ago
Reply to  max

It would be poetic justice for Arte to win a bidding war for Ohtani and end up with even a worse payroll situation than he has today.

JakeTaylor
Trusted Member
11 months ago

At least Pujols produced. This might turn out to be worse than the Josh Hamilton signing tho.

Also, Ohtani isn’t toxic in the clubhouse and doesn’t have the “I don’t give a shit” mentality like Rendon does.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor

Great. we have certainly achieved a sad state of Angel baseball when we look back at the Pujols signing with longing

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago

Dollar for dollar- Rendon deal is way worse than Pujols.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

It’s not even close, Rendon is the second worst FA signing ever and may just yet overtake the Chris Davis deal, imho. When the fans refer to you as Rendone, that’s a telling sign.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago

And he’s a complete jerk. He adds zero value

JakeTaylor
Trusted Member
11 months ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor

If he’s dead does that mean the Angels aren’t obligated to pay the remainder of his contract?  😉 

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor

Unless Arte adopts him, Rendon’s family gets the $$

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago

Depends upon who caused the death.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago

Interesting question. Too bad Trump is not the president, because Arte could have claimed casualty deduction assuming that Trump would declare the Angels ‘federally qualified disaster’.

For tax years 2018 through 2025, you can no longer claim casualty and theft losses on personal property as itemized deductions, unless your claim is caused by a federally declared disaster.

Last edited 11 months ago by Kiyotchan
ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor

Rendon’s thin skin (and bones) was a surprise. Always seemed like a pretty confident, low-key guy.

He knows what the fans are saying is true and he’s insecure about it. He wants to just produce to make it go away but the injuries don’t let him. Total failure of a contract by the Angels.

Guest
11 months ago

I went to the game last night with my daughter and son-in-law.

There should be a rule that the home team gets to win every time.

At the end of the regular season, every team will be tied for first place, and everyone makes the playoffs. The playoff games then should all be held at neutral sites so the hometown crowd will never be disappointed.

Last edited 11 months ago by GhostGuest
Drew-S
Member
11 months ago

I suppose it’s rude to say that these trades have worked out well.
But Arte and Perry have gotten exactly what they deserve…. not only not making the playoffs but looking foolish in doing so.

But the trades are doing what hopefully (since they happened) that they are meant to do: have Arte Sell The Team, and probably have Perry move on to another team.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Drew-S

Yeah it crossed my mind that Perry might sense or know that Arte may be on the way out which means he won’t be around either. Easy to make these trades if you’re not the guy tasked with making the aftermath work.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
11 months ago

For those who think Arte is going sell, I sincerely hope you are mentally and emotionally prepared for him to hold on to the appreciating asset.

In the 20 years he’s owned the team there’s been 10 seasons with a losing record. Do you think another losing season will be the trigger?

Unless he gets an offer that blows him away, it’s better to plan for him being here in 2024.

MarineLayer
Super Member
11 months ago

Ithink you are absolutely correct, and we are in purgatory until then.

Drew-S
Member
11 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Didn’t he have a bunch of people hovering around when he was gonna sell last year with some seriously good potential offers? I have no idea what for him is an offer that blows him away.

Doesn’t he have enough money already?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Drew-S

I don’t believe any of the offers were publicly disclosed.

I’d consider an offer of at least $3.5b to be something that starts getting tough to ignore

Last edited 11 months ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago

Really? even with all that federal bribe money?

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Drew-S

What is he sticking around for though?

The situation with fans is going to get significantly worse post-Ohtani. It will be an aging, injury prone Trout and nobody else with no prospects of note on the way.

Is Arte signing himself up for a 3 year rebuild? Would he even be capable of losing on purpose and hoarding prospects?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Looking at the National’s ownership, where the oldest son of late Ted Lerner is planning to sell the team probably off this season, and I am assuming that Moreno is probably watching the Washington DC situation with none of his children interested in Angels, I think it is better than 75% chance that Moreno will sell this team regardless of what happens. He will get multiple bids of at least $ 3 billion.

Drew-S
Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Thank you for talking sense. I think the other posts saying he’s in for the long run are just to prepare for the worst case scenario.

If he keeps the team after all of this and there will be a lot of not very happy fans, then he needs to see a shrink.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I think everyone is latching onto the quote from Sam Blum regarding Arte’s kids. Here’s the full quote: “He pledged Monday to remain the owner for 2023 and beyond, despite the fact his children do not appear interested in inheriting the operations of the franchise.”

Unless you know Arte’s kids and have talked to them, it’s nothing but second-hand speculation. Furthermore, remember Jackie Autry? If Arte should pass before Carol, Arte’s assets will go to her…..unless you’ve read his will and know otherwise

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago

Are any of Arte’s children (or his relatives) in Angel’s operation at all? At least Ted Lerner had his son learn by involving him in baseball operation, It is Mark Lerner’s decision to sell the Nationals after his father’s recent death.

It is eerily similar to what is going on with the Portland Blazers whose owner Paul Allen died and his sister inherited the ownership. I am not certain how dedicated the sister is in managing the team. And I have no idea when Lillard will be playing for Miami.

Last edited 11 months ago by Kiyotchan
GrandpaBaseball
Legend
11 months ago

Jackie Autry: Source? I have not read anything in recent history confirming that part of the story and that is really some big-time news. I have recently read that there were two bids for 2.5 billion offered last year that both were turned down as they both wanted to keep the Angels responsible for current litigation that was currently open. Arte said pass as he believes that the team was worth more.

Any way you slice it, Arte is just not an owner who is loved by the fans. Shohei adds value to the team, so I would think that losing Shohei to Free Agency will decrease the team value.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
11 months ago

My point was when Gene died Jackie got the franchise until she decided to sell to Disney

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago

IIRC Disney bought into the team before The Cowboy died and then exercised a purchase option afterwards

DowningDude
Legend
11 months ago

Hahaha. Yeah – Arte dies and Jackie gets the team

First time in history a bank teller pulls off the bank robbery
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Drew-S
Member
11 months ago

I think it’s the Way that this losing season is going down.
Remember when I think it was the Saints… or some football team where the fans wore paper bags over their heads? That’s what likely needs to happen to get the point across to Arte that none of us want him to own the team anymore.

DowningDude
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Drew-S

Yep – the “Aints”

People tried to wear paper bags in Anaheim a few seasons ago and security warned them of ejection if they wore the bags

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Drew-S

Whatever it is, I can’t imagine the fanbase is just going to watch Ohtani walk away for nothing and let Moreno think everything is fine. It may be chants at games, season ticket non-renewals, attendance boycotts etc.

It will be similar to how Redskins/Commanders fans treated Dan Snyder. The only time you’ll hear Arte’s name will be in some article about how he needs to sell the team. A guy as insecure as Arte isn’t going to enjoy that kind of situation.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
11 months ago

Him keeping the team is obviously the most likely outcome. But the team is about to enter a bit of a death spiral once Ohtani leaves and Arte is going to be the guy who lost him for nothing AND emptied the farm at the same time.

It just doesn’t add up for a guy who has never agreed to a rebuild to want to come back to the mess he’s made.

Moving on is going to become more attractive than getting the Redskins treatment for the rest of his time here.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

What the team does on the field (win/loss) has minimal impact on the value of the franchise. Furthermore, fewer bloated salaries actually helps the valuation. If Arte was looking to sell, I think the first thing we’d see is Rendon’s contract get traded with prospects attached.

Look at the Redskins. Unless the economy craters, the valuation of sports franchises keeps going to absurd levels.

Last edited 11 months ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
halofansince1978
Super Member
11 months ago

Todays Lineup

Rengifo
Ohtani
Drury
Moustakas
Grichuk
Moniak
Renfroe
Thaiss
Escobar

Silseth

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
11 months ago

No complaints

MarineLayer
Super Member
11 months ago

No Velasquez.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Again, I anticipate another intensely close game, where Squid and/or Adams will come in late innings for pinch hit/defensive purpose. Hopefully, that would result in a come back win in the ninth inning with either of them plating the walk off run.

I believe in law of average serving its justice today.

Last edited 11 months ago by Kiyotchan
Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

No habla

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago

Back to S/L/R/L/R/L/R/L/S. Need to score in the first inning. When Angels score in the first inning, they have been perfect. I think it is like 11-0 (too GA to look them up this morning.)

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago

Reynaldo Lopez not available today, and little too late to call for backup.
https://twitter.com/SamBlum3/status/1688253155367374849

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Doesn’t it really matter? Pitch whoever is at the bottom of the depth chart

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago

Zack Weiss has been doing well, and several of us were wondering why he is not on active roster.

max
Trusted Member
max
11 months ago

Doesn’t it seem that the ground rule double situation that happened, goes against us far more often than the other? My wife said the other day when Ward got beaned, ‘Are they cursed?’

Last edited 11 months ago by max
Drew-S
Member
11 months ago
Reply to  max

i don’t know but I don’t think, given how often that sort of thing happens, would be an excuse for a pathetic ownership dragging the team down.

MarineLayer
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  max

It seems so is the answer to both your questions.

Angels22
Trusted Member
11 months ago

I am so angry at this team. This team always disappoints all but one lone year in 2002.

Last edited 11 months ago by Angels22
Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Angels22

If winning a WS is the only way not to be disappointed- then you are going to be disappointed a lot. I think the run they went on from 2002-2009 was pretty awesome despite some tough playoff losses. That was truly the golden decade for Angels baseball.

Angels22
Trusted Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Being in 1st place and winning the division would be a good start to not be disappointed. I do recall the years between 02-09 and it sure did feel like we won the division every year. I must have taken it for granted and now it sucks to just hope we can slide in with the expanded playoff format. You would think the expanded playoffs almost guarantee us a spot with the players we have, but nope.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Angels22

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Guest
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

1978-1986 was the first golden age of Angel baseball. It was pretty fantastic.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to 

Player-wise I agree and if there has been a wildcard playoff format then – the team would have made several more playoff appearances.

Guest
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

All this playoff talk made me remember the time Moustakas ruined the Angels in 2014.

https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2014/10/3/6897133/alds-2014-angels-royals-game-1-final-score

tanana40
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to 

That was a painful game.

Drew-S
Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Angels22

It’s not ‘the team’. It’s the people who own the team, who scout for the team (good thing they fired the guy who drafted Mike Trout), and the whole infrastructure.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago

So envious of Padres, who scored 7 runs in the bottom of the 8th for come back win against mighty Doyers. Padres playoff odds is now 45.4% despite their 44W-45L record. Angels desperately need a win like that to spark the team (and little taller fence to prevent ground rule double..)

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Dodgers pitching this year is in the “not so good” category

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago

Really surprised that Dodgers did not get either Verlander or Scherzer. I wonder if Mets were asking too much, like Bobby Miller or Emmet Sheehan.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago

The Angels need to play now for next year. Too bad we ravaged the farm system for less than a fleeting week of hopium .
Pitching Pitching Pitching will decide our future destiny and unless we acquire some free agents assets I dont know how we will fill this void anytime soon (This problem existed even before the Bush & Albright trades) The unfortunate part is we have even less assets available to trade for MLB ready arms than before. 
On the position player side we still have a viable corps of young assets at the MLB level (assuming they’re Healthy). And joining that group next year should be Kyren Paris. Since June 30 now hes slashed an impressive .316/.456/.490 in 125 PAs with 13 SBs in16 attempts. While granted he has struckout 28 times in this span (TrAdition) hes also has walked 24 Times. not bad for a 21 year old shortstop/second baseman playing his first full season at AA.

MarineLayer
Super Member
11 months ago

Two days after the backbreaking grand slam by some nobody and It still feels like crap. I’ve been a fan of this team since 1961 and other than that one magical year that still makes no sense to me, it’s just been hard rooting for this team. I’ve got no solutions in mind. Even if Arturo sold today, how long would it take the new somebody’s to fix what is obviously wrong. I don’t know, but I hope it happens soon!

DowningDude
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

The grand slam rando wasn’t just nobody … he is a former Savannah Banana. hahahaha

MarineLayer
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Big deal in Savannah and within the banana community.

DowningDude
Legend
11 months ago

We need more Luminous Resistance Power!

halofansince1978
Super Member
11 months ago

Six back of both Wild Card and Division on August 6th…not good.

Certainly still doable but we need a 10 out of 12 pretty darn soon!!

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago

Angels are 9.5 back of Division.

halofansince1978
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Oops…apparently I was confused!!!

Pretty sure 10 out of 12 is accurate.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago

There is very little precedent to make the post season and have success this late in the season considering our lack of success against over .500 ball clubs and a team record near or at .500. The closest I could find was the 2007 Colorado Rockies. They were 56-54 on August 5 but then went 33-19 to force a one game WC playoff. Granted there are more wild card berths now but the sheer volume of teams we need to jump over is pretty daunting. Also we will also need to win 3 out of the last 4 games against the Mariners if we are to win the WC tie breaker against them.We lose it against the Blue Jays but the Skanks and the Chowds are still our bitches this year in case of a tie which is very likely.

halofansince1978
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

It’s called hopium…try it you might like it.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
11 months ago

You’re probably the kind of guy that always bets 20 on the blackjack table. With all the injuries and players going on vacation, it’s not doable.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago

Really? Why would I even bring this story up if I wasn’t clinging to some microscopic strands of optimism?

Drew-S
Member
11 months ago

Are we really still counting.

10 out of 12 should be a piece of cake given the August competition and our injuries. Not.

halofansince1978
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Drew-S

See my post above to C26.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago

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5 straight losses.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago

Here’s the deal. I love all you optimists and I really do respect undying love for this team. I’ve been a fan for over 50 years. But the reality is, this team is not doing anything until Arte sells and hopefully a new owner comes in and focuses on rebuilding a true baseball organization. Until that time, it’s just a bunch of smoke and mirrors. There is no there there. Once you realize it, it’s probably better to have total failure if that means it’s more likely that Arte will sell.

clover_black
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Arte has unfinished business.

Strap in!

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  clover_black

I think that unfinished business ends with Ohtani accepting an offer from another team.

clover_black
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Maybe.

Arte is a weird, emotional dude. Zero chance offers stack up to 2022. I can see him holding on out of spite,

aces666high
Trusted Member
11 months ago
Reply to  clover_black

The reason he held on last year was out of spite. He saw how happy the vast majority were he was going away so he cut off his nose to spite his face.

MarineLayer
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  aces666high

Nothing that 4 billion or more might be able to overcome.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
11 months ago
Reply to  aces666high

Someone needs to give him the offer of the lifetime so he can sell the team and go back to running a marketing agency.

Guest
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Artie believes, even without a rally cap.

DowningDude
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to 

Oh God. I see what you did there.

Drew-S
Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Great Post and one of the few on the blog is that honest.

jcstein
Trusted Member
11 months ago

What a bummer of a season

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
11 months ago

I was there. My heart still hurts…. 1 ft higher wall and we tie the game. What’s wrong with this team that I love?

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Need to accept that nothing’ will change for the better until Arte sells