LA Angels Weekend News Crash: Crunch Time

Perry has emptied the farm to bring in established MLB players. The roster looks a lot different today than it did just a couple of weeks ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if they wore name tags for a while.

The one thing that hasn’t changed is the inability to beat good teams. This road trip was a perfect snapshot of the Angels season: sweep the bad team, lose 2 out of 3 to the good teams. Well, there aren’t any bad teams for a while.

Another thing that didn’t change is FanGraphs prediction of a playoff spot for the Angels. In fact, our odds are slightly worse today than they were 2 weeks ago.

To add more fuel to the need to win fire, the Angels gave up 4 of the top rated 50 prospects dealt at the deadline. If you want to ease that pain a bit, most are 40 future value picks with Quero coming in at 50. On a scale that goes to 80, it might not be much. But if any of them pan out, it will sting.

To say the marquee trade has gotten off to a bad start would be an understatement. Lucas Gioltio has given up 12 runs over 9 innings. I wasn’t a math major, but I’m confident that’s an ERA of 12.

However, the Randall Grichuk trade has already been notable for two reasons. One is the obvious return to the team. The other is the number he is wearing.

Early on, Grichuk is playing like a man worthy of the number.

As of today our playoff odds sit at 11%. We need to win and win now.

Shohei Ohtani is great at winning and kicked off a pivotal 7 game home stand. 4 vs. Seattle followed by 3 against San Francisco. We really need to win 5 out of 7 to set up a crucial Texas two step next week.

How great is Ohtani? For the second consecutive month he was the best in the game.

And the Angels could be getting quite a bit of reinforcements over the next month. We really need to play good ball until they get here.

One guy looking to get here in a hurry is 2023 first round pick Nolan Schanuel. Dude was dropped into AA and took off running.

And it wasn’t just the hits. I’d imagine a high profile first round pick would step to the plate when the bases are loaded and look to hit a monster home run. In just his second game in professional baseball, Schanuel stepped to the plate in just that scenario, stuck with the game plan, and worked a walk. Our big league boys could pay attention to that.

One of the biggest trade stories this week was a trade that didn’t happen. Eduardo Rodriguez reminded everybody that baseball players have families and some value family time even more than winning.

In the realm of fortunate/unfortunate, Blue Jays shortstop Bo Bichette injured his knee the night before the trade deadline. Thankfully it isn’t serious. But the timing allowed Toronto to trade for Cardinals shortstop Paul DeJong the day of the deadline.

The Mets won the off season but not the regular season. This week they traded away their 2023 hopes and perhaps their chance at luring Ohtani.

There were a lot of trades this week. Here’s a good recap including way too early grades on how everybody made out.

Enjoy your weekend everybody. I plan on enjoying the game and a helmet sundae with my son on Sunday afternoon.

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

I am aware some of you have read them last night, but as they were posted around midnight, I thought his answers may inspire some of you, who have not read them. How could you not cheer for him doing his best to win? Sho Q&A:

Q: You have been having cramping in your finger, but you still decided to bat even after you were removed as pitcher.

A: By swinging my bat in the dugout, I felt like I could bat.

Q: How concerned are you about your finger?

A: It has been cramping frequently, so I went by inning by inning, But it reached a point where I thought by continuing, I would affect the outcome of the game negatively, so I decided to let Phil know.

Q: What about your next outing as pitcher?

A:That is something that the team (Phil Nevin) will decide. I would like to fulfill my responsibility as starting rotation guy. It will probably depend on how the team is doing, and I have no authority to decide when I would pitch next.

Q:Is it the whole finger?

A:It is my middle finger, It is an area where many pitchers have had cramping issues.

Q:It was a tough loss today. How much damage did the team sustain today?

A:I would have liked to have thrown about 100 pitches to lessen pressure on our bullpen, and I feel responsible for not being able to do that. As a result, we lost by allowing the Mariners to come back in the ninth. We just have to turn the page and look forward to tomorrow’s game.

Q:You experienced intense pressure during WBC tournament, but are you feeling the similar pressure in these games?

A:We are still in a position to reach the playoffs, so every game is significantly vital. There is nothing we can do about what happened today. We just have to turn our attention to tomorrow’s game and do our best to win it.

Q:If you have been having cramping issue, did you think about resting?

A:We have discussed off day with the coaches, but our situation is such that all able Angels players need to play. There are no unimportant games where I can take as off day. I would like to be in every game if I can.

Q:What was your mindset when you were at bat before you hit your 40th homerun?

A:Since the game was 2-1 in our favor, I was thinking of insurance run. It did not have to be a homerun. It could have been a single, or even a walk. I just wanted to have good at bat to be a base runner so I can help score additional run.

Q:You weren’t concerned about your right hand?

A:The decision was my right hand would not affect my batting ability. If my right hand were in such a shape to affect our team’s ability to win, I would have taken myself out. We felt that if I continue as DH, the chance of our victory would be higher.

Q:When did you notice the trouble?

A:In the 4th inning during warm up pitches. Before the game in the bullpen, I felt really good. From the start, I felt strong with my fastball. Perhaps, I was pushing myself too hard in the early innings, trying to keep Mariners from scoring every inning. I just did not feel like I could relax because every inning was so important. It was unexpected miscalculation on my part that I should have distributed my efforts more evenly.

Q:What do you think is the cause of cramping?

A:I think it is related to accumulated exhaustion. It probably has something to do with many games in a row and moving a long distance. But, my decision was that I would be able to pitch today, and I feel responsible for not being able to do my usual.

Q:Have you had cramping frequently?

A:My finger and planting foot (right foot) are where I tend to have cramps.

Q:What do you feel about your homerun production this season?

A:Rather than trying to hit for homerun, I would prefer to continue to focus on consistently having good at bats. I would love to stay with calm approach, be always locked and ready for those pitches in the zone to put strong swing on them.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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When we lose I don’t feel hung and that makes me sad. Then I get mad. Then I am sad because I’m mad, which also makes me mad…. I need someone to blame for my feelz. I need a sad donkey to lead the way and defend me from the happies.

Is this the place?

It’s gonna be like this for the rest of the year…. in out up down barely good kinda bad, maybe a long cold streak, kind of like CtPG Guy’s sex life, and the team will be way better than last year, and CtPG Guy will be angry and drink too much.

But we CAN do it. It is possible to attack baseball. Both the Braves and Phillies were worse than us later than this of late.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

I just don’t like Sammy’s skewed picture. Call me weird. Let’s go Halos!
https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1687577582966038528

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Blue/Red/Black/Red/Black/Red/Black/Red/Black. It was working yesterday. Why not?

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago

Neto IL
Drury back

WallyChuckChili
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

FTFY

Neto’s drury back puts him on IL

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Padres shutting down Musgrove for 3 weeks, Guardians Josh Naylor on IL putting our ol’ friend Red Baron on Cleveland roster, Twins Byron Buxton on IL. This rush of injuries has to be due to global warming, right?

BTW, Cubs got bludgeoned by Braves/Max Fried, who returned from IL since early May. Both Cubs and Padres fans feel doomed today. Doomers love company.

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Claret
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I can attest that last night Drury hit a home run without any hesitation.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Claret

And it was oppo!

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Actually Neto’s bulky back did.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Haselman bad send keeps on paying its dividends of Angels loss. Would you say Haselman had cost at least 4 wins this season?

When Neto played: 38W-28L
When Neto on bench or IL: 11W-17L
s

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Fregosiwasmyhero
Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I’d say four is about right. Really makes me unreasonably mad.

clover_black
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

rendon is our team leader.

2002heaven
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  clover_black

 😆  😆 

2002heaven
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9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

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Saw your question about what a Marlowe is. 😆  👎 

DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Must watch today on Prime. Thanks

Fansince1971
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9 months ago

Completely separate subject. Have any of you watched banana ball on ESPN? My favorite team is the Savannah Bananas. It’s hilarious and pure entertainment. A nice respite from the Angels.

https://thesavannahbananas.com/bananaball/

GrandpaBaseball
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

What is Banana Ball?

Fansince1971
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9 months ago

It’s too crazy to explain but basically it’s baseball but the innings last probably between three and six minutes and they have all kinds of hilarious rules and don’t take themselves too seriously. You just have to watch a game. On one team whenever somebody scores the entire team comes out of the dugout and does a dance. I was laughing the whole time – pure entertainment.

If a game is tied after 9 innings there is sudden death which is just a pitcher and one fielder versus a batter. If the batter hits the ball, he tries to run all the way home before the fielder gets the ball and throws it home. It’s frenetic and fun.

The umpires dance too.

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tanana40
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

One of the rules is that if a fan catches a foul ball, the batter is out. A game ended a few weeks ago because the other team hit a foul ball that a fan caught in the 9th inning. The Bananas brought the fan onto the field and they celebrated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttSTpS6QzWc

Fansince1971
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9 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

Love that rule!!

Charles Sutton
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Super Member
9 months ago

If the Harlem Globetrotters were a baseball team. That’s Banana Ball.

2002heaven
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Imagine Matty V calling that!

clover_black
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

tried getting tix when they were in rancho… crazy expensive.

Looks like fun tho

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

One ESPN channels broadcast a game a month or so back. I’d love to see them in person.

tanana40
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

It seems like a really fun experience to go to one of their games.

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Not entirely separate but entirely Too soon bro. Marlowe played for the damm Bananas

https://twitter.com/HiImSerenity/status/1687314395045765120?s=20

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Fansince1971
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9 months ago

Ha! No way!

DowningDude
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9 months ago

Dang – on mobile. Sorry for double posting

Claret
Trusted Member
9 months ago

Strangely enough, many moons ago a psychic told Marlowe that his life would forever be changed by a banana and a water cooler.

DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

That Marlowe dude who kicked our ass last night used to play for Savannah Bananas

Fansince1971
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9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

That is unbelievable. Really impressed with Jerry’s scouting 😂

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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NAR! DER ES NAH FUHN! OLNY DERMAND WINZ! NAH FUN! I NEED SHOHEI INSIDZ MEH! DERMAND CHAMPIHAM! BERSP BAHL NAH BOW FUN! NAR!

DowningDude
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9 months ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Dang we missed you

You missed Jack proclaiming some sort of victory like he vanquished you.

🐉 🤺

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 months ago

Part of the reply from that Twitter user’s post was Estevez saying that it just wasn’t his day. So that begs the question, why did Nevin not see it sooner? Hard to blame the pitcher totally on last night. He’s a professional and it’s not in his DNA to signal to the manager to “Take me OUTTA HERE!”.

I’m still laughing at that Wing Nuts posting, and yes, it is more than possible that he is among us, funny stuff.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 months ago

If Estevez gets a pass for not telling Nevin “it’s not his day” because of DNA, then Nevin gets a pass because he’s also a professional and it’s also in his DNA to trust his closer to get the outs up until the save is blown.

DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Thems some crazy chromosomes

DowningDude
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9 months ago

What’s the odds that this Twitter User (LAA News and trades) is one of our own unhinged members? Really ridiculous stuff going after Carlos Estevez like this and then the “fan” doubling down by POSTING the conversation on his Twitter acct. Carlos was pretty chill in his replies but damn. Some people need to step away from the keyboards.

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

このツイートは、ツイートの作成者により削除されました。

This tweet was removed by the author.

I expect another close game tonight, and I will sit on the edge of my couch and will wonder what Angels pitchers will come out of the bullpen.

JakeTaylor
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Why would you even post that on Twitter….err I mean X, to begin with?

And as for the game tonight, I hope Detmers is on because I have a feeling we’re not going to be getting very many scoring opportunities off Castillo.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor

Last time the Angels played against Castillo, the highlights include, 1)Colonic hits 2 run homer in the first inning off Sho, 2)Sho hits 2 run homer off Castillo, 3)Rengifo hits RBI single to score Rendon, 4)France ties the game with his base hit off Sho, and 5)Moniak hits game deciding 2 run homer off Castillo (including Rendon on base). 6)Estevez saves the game despite giving up a solo to Mike Ford.

Like I said, Angels and Mariners play intensely close games.

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Angelstan
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Tonight you are likely getting Loup, Webb and Leone. Enjoy.

GrandpaBaseball
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9 months ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Might still see Moore too, but it really depends on the score.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Nothing is ever removed from the internet…..

Fansince1971
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9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Whoever sent that is a complete idiot

GrandpaBaseball
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

 😂  Hey someone was messing with his mental health, lmao funny stuff. 😄 

GrandpaBaseball
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9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Wow….. 👤 …..”UNHINGED”, that is a real wing nut. I laughed at re-reading that.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 months ago

While I agree it’s funny and the guy is unhinged. This is not the website for political slurs.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I applaud OC Register for being politically correct.
https://www.ocregister.com/2023/08/02/eleni-kounalakis-hypocritically-calls-for-taylor-swift-to-cancel-concerts-after-attending-taylor-swift-concert/
I am too GA today. How is lieutenant governor of California chosen? Appointed by the governor, or elected? Oregon does not have lieutenant governor or sales tax. If governor is no longer by impeachment, resignation, or death, secretary of state takes over. Weird, right? Let Oregon stay weirdo.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
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9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Twitter courage. No way he says that to Estevez’s face.

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clover_black
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

sorry , I become another person after the third White Claw.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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9 months ago
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Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

I was trying to figure out how Dusty Baker would set up Asstros starting rotation for the series against the Angels next weekend. Placing the last three starters and three next projected ones, here is their rotation.

Valdez(no hitter vs Guardians)/Blanco/Javier/Brown/Verlander/Urquidy.

If Dusty keeps this 6 man rotation, then the Angels will face Brown/Verlander/Urquidy. My question is if Dusty would skip Javier, who has not looked well since ASG. Then, the Angels will face Verlander/Urquidy/Valdez. BTW, if the Angels keep the current rotation, Nevin will trot out Detmers/Anderson/Silseth.

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DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I’ve been reading about Dusty changing pitchers at last moment.

I wonder to what degree the UMPIRE schedules and when they are posted affect the Astros decision to put a specific pitcher on the mound?

Like – maybe they have a rotation set and then all of a sudden, the umpiring crew is announced. This ump calls tight zone, this pitcher would be affected by the bad zone because of x, y, z … scratch start insert a different pitcher who isn’t affected in these specific hot/cold zones of said umpire.

Anyway – just wondering if that kind of deep analysis figures into the pitcher’s starting. Seems like a smart plan, actually.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Dusty has done that against the Angels earlier in the season, by substituting Blanco in literally last minute for someone else (it could have been Valdez, but not sure). That was Blanco’s debut, and he turned out to be Cy-Blanco that day.

Last edited 9 months ago by Kiyotchan
DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

But who’s done correlation to unpiring crews?

WallyChuckChili
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Everyone but the Angels

We are not Wise.

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
9 months ago

Man as an Angel fan and Oregon State Alum and Pac 12 Fan the last several hours of sports have been rough. The blown save last night was a gut punch immediately followed by the dismantling of the Pac 12 / disintegration of college athletics thanks to media and corporate greed. In times like this its important to remember that this is all entertainment.

Enjoy that we have a game that matters tonight and lets get back on the horse with a W!

Last edited 9 months ago by Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Senator_John_Blutarsky
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9 months ago

The Pac 12 has died an inglorious death.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 months ago

Money talks. The disintegration of the PAC 12 is similar to the Saudis buying the PGA

Fregosiwasmyhero
Member
9 months ago

I agree. I’ve been distressed today. Gotta go outside and breathe deep.

DMAGZ13
Trusted Member
9 months ago

If Ohtani comes back, he’s the greatest or worst hero ever. Last night was the nail in the coffin to our season. The tears from Ohtani going viral shows that he wanted to make it work but it’s just a failure that he’ll have to carry around forever. His agency and team around him will probably tell him he did his duty and that he’s suffered enough. And he’ll finally relent.

This teams needs ‘16-‘18 Trout to come back and that’s not happening. Trout needs an off-season discovering a new hitting approach , not a AAA rehab stint. Unfortunately all of the old great hitting vets that could give advice about how to age gracefully and keep hitting into his 30s were steroid users. In reality he needs to talk to a guy like Mickey Mantle or Ted Williams like Gwynn did but they don’t exist.

Trout really needs to tap into whatever legal lifestyle that Brady, LeBron and Messi have going but I wonder if he’s too shy/small town to make that happen.

As for Perry, if he doesn’t get fired and he has one more year of Arte trying to sell, then he needs to go find the damn analytics approach that everyone else uses to know how to attack each batter more precisely and how to wait for the right pitch to mash. In his tenure we still don’t have that, he’s assembled a roster style that would be a threat to win any WS from 2006 – 2014 but is far behind now in game strategy. Perry could get another GM job but for now I see him as a great assistant because he doesn’t yet know that up-to-date industry info.

Anyhow I had a sinking feeling in my gut all last night. I just hope Arte sells and they keep the Angels somewhere here,

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GrandpaBaseball
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9 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

I agree with your first three paragraphs, pretty much spot on. But as for Perry Minasian you bring up analytics. Do you know if the Angels really disregard analytics? An assumption could be made that they do based on the Starting Pitching performances or lack thereof. I will agree that there is a misconnect somewhere there. What is needed is how large a Analytical Department there is on the Angels, compared to the teams that seem to rely on those analytics the most, such as Tampa Bay and the Dodgers. It might be that is a responsibility not in the hands of PTP. I certainly do believe that where hiring is involved, the team does weight to the amount of salary they are willing to pay, where the Dodgers do not have that issue. But what about the Rays? How do they work their magic year after year? PTP is still young and learning, and he will catch up. We have seen that he learns from mistakes. He has just 3 years in the Job, GM’s are highly rated after a considerable amount of more time on the job than 3 years. PTP walked into a Hell Hole of mismanaged 10 years of grief, he has turned the team around in so many areas with limitations put on him that I think he has done more than you give him credit for. But as I learned fifty years ago, a good manager is a good checker, so PTP will address more areas of concern as time goes on and more limitations are lifted or dissolved, and his experience is gained. If you looked at highly rated executives in MLB and in history, almost all worked for several teams before accolades rolled in. PTP is light years better than Eppler, better than Jedi was working here.

Running the team from a GM’s standpoint has so many obstacles that it really is a tough job. But right now and in the future I think PTP is the right guy to lead.

Fansince1971
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9 months ago

Just a quick reminder of the focus of this marketing Org. Below is the Organization chart. All the folks are non-baseball people except Minasian. No wonder the decisions have been so questionable. Compare the below to any true baseball Org like the Dodgers, Cards etc. it’s pretty eye opening. Moreno, Kuhl, Carpino, Wells, Molly Jolly, Fach and Sanders are all marketing folk not baseball people.

https://www.mlb.com/angels/team/front-office

DowningDude
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9 months ago
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We have Albert Pujols on our payroll. 🤣

Fansince1971
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9 months ago
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Ha! He is probably deployed to show up when Molly Jolly and crew are trying to land a big advertising deal. “Hey advertiser, have you met Albert Pujols?”

Last edited 9 months ago by Fansince1971
AnAngelsFan
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

How about a fanpost giving a side-by-side comparison of the front office of the Angels and the Dodgers?

DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I’m sure website org charts are the be-all end-all of how the structure really is.
/s

Fansince1971
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9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Well – the charts list the people who are there and by logic – if folks are not listed, they dont exist. So, they are helpful to see how an Organization is structured and what its priorities are. Clearly – the Angels are a marketing organization not a baseball one. I mean compare the Angels baseball Organization to the Dodgers and its pretty clear that the Dodgers prioritize and invest in baseball ops much more than the Angels do.

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DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

My point is that Org charts, especially in corporations are very very vague and usually outdated. The Angels websites have traditionally been very very behind in listing who’s working there.

I read literally nothing into this.

There is an issue with the team’s front office but sniffing around web pages that interns and hourlies are updating isn’t where you will locate any sort of smoking gun.

Fansince1971
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9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Im not looking for a smoking gun. It’s nothing nefarious like that. It’s simply that the information confirms that the Angels have an Organization focused on Marketing rather than Baseball Ops. Dont get me wrong – marketing is important and all good Orgs have a marketing department. However, the Angels are led by marketing-first. Compared to Orgs that have long term success – this is pretty unique in baseball. Most organizations separate out Baseball Ops which includes scouting, international scouting, player development, strength and conditioning, fitness, minor leagues etc and hire people who actually know what the heck they are doing in all of these areas.

It appears that such baseball ops related expenditures and focus are far less important to the Angels who are focused on advertising revenue streams and the marketing to generate revenue. Again, this is important – but the long term link between Baseball Ops and Marketing seems to be lost on the Angels’ front office.

I get the sense that the Angels folk seem to think that if they can dazzle with flash and loud music and jumping monkeys, it will keep the fans happy and the long term health of the Baseball Org is less important. There seems to be a disconnect in the Angels front office that healthy Baseball Ops is ultimately what feeds a healthy relationship between the team and its fan base.

I mean look at the difference between the Angels front office and the Dodgers. It’s pretty obvious which Org is focused on marketing and which puts Baseball Ops first. It doesn’t matter if these are not completely up-to-date – its the overall picture that matters.

Fansince1971
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9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

https://www.mlb.com/dodgers/team/front-office

Here is the Dodgers front office. Take a look at their Baseball Ops all overseen by President of Baseball Operations Andrew Freidman. They clearly invest in Baseball Ops.

steelgolf
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Why do they have 3 people, let alone anyone, involved in “scouting?” Pffftt, waste of money- Angels organization.

DowningDude
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9 months ago

Quiz of the day:
What’s the maximum number of strikeouts a pitcher can rack up while still throwing a complete game shutout?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

54.

DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Dang. Thought I’d stump some people but Kiyo nails it within seconds. Well done, sir!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

That just proves that I am such a math nerd. By the way, in that scenario, the pitcher actually qualifies for no-hitter. And incompetent catcher with no back up.

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TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Lol so if the pitcher threw nothing but strikes, and nobody fouled off any 0-2 pitches, we are looking at a pitch count of 162. Marathon game.

JakeTaylor
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

You’d be at 207 pitches in that scenario since you would have thrown 4 pitches to 5 of the 6 batters he faced each inning.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago

Dangit. My win-loss record finally recorded an L. Welp, at least they made it a good one.
5-1 on the season after last night.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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9 months ago
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Doomer

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DowningDude
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9 months ago

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GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 months ago

Blaming Perry Minasian for the collapse of the Angels is akin to saying Canada started World War One, makes no sense whatsoever. Iam a PTP supporter. Arte supporter? Not so much, but Arte has kind of stayed in the background this season and let PTP do what he has to do to get the team into the “For dreamers only” mode and trying to push the Halos into the playoffs. There are 4 things that as General Manager that Minasian can control.

  1. Building a solid roster. Has he done that? Yes, he has.
  2. Building a solid Organization. Has he accomplished that? Abet slowly, but he has started this franchise in the right direction for the first time in 20+ years. No GM in any business can make every decision be correct or positive.
  3. Hire the right personnel to all positions. Again no one bats 1.000% here.
  4. Anticipate the unknown future and fill the needs accordingly.

Perry has done an excellent job of building the starting day roster. We needed a real RF and we got Renfroe. Moving Ward over to LF and keeping a good piece that fits into the team as a player and as an affordable piece none the less.

Knowing that Rendone is made of Glass, he brought in Urshela, a capable player in his own right even if he is not a Super-Star.

Not trusting that Rengifo would be the answer at 2b he brings in Drury to cover that.

He starts Fletcher at SS, that failed fast, but the team roster has Urshela and Rengifo to cover and when that was not the answer, we then see Neto take over, and that worked.

Having a roster of players that play more than one position was smart, as now on a daily basis, somebody is playing a different place out on the field that they did not play yesterday.

Mistakes, sure there are some, remember, nobody hits 1.000%. He Trusted Fletcher and Walsh and Stassi to return to normal, he trusted that Sandoval, Detmers, Saurez to show steady improvement, he trusted that Trout would return to young Trout statistically. Having a weak Bullpen, he brought in Estevez to close after being a set up pitcher in Colorado. He added Anderson and Moore too.

Minasian knew that there were short comings in the coaching staff and addressed those. He foresaw in the minors some holes and addressed those.

Again, nobody bats 1.000%, But Arte Moreno and Perry Minasian knew what the fan base knew and what the whole world knew, put out a winning product or suffer the consequences of losing the biggest prize of a lifetime, Shohei Ohtani. No matter what you and I believed prior to trade deadline, Atre and Perry rolled the dice to retain Shohei and make a run to glory.

For a team with a lowly and dysfunctional minor league system, the Angels have had their share of good fortune with bring up to stay or rotate players and keep the team’s head above water. The team has seen O’Hoppe, Neto, Silseth, Bachman, Davidson, Weiss, Webb, Thaiss, Moniak, Cabbage, along with others fill in the holes when needed.

So, what went wrong? Answer is two things. First the past caught up to the Angels. After cutting and skimping on the organization for 20 years just to sign big names and overpay friends and family, Arte came out of the ether, and Waa-La decided to say face himself, add value to the team, and make the fan base happy, and go for the Gold so to speak. Too little too late.

Second part, Injuries and the dreaded injury list (IL). No one has ever seen so many lose so many so much. I wouldn’t recap this, but other than Renfroe and Thaiss and Ohtani there are no opening day position starters around! Like it or not Minasian has keep the home fires burning by putting his fingers in the holes of a leaking Dyke.

Perry and Arte do not bat or pitch, but the players are paid great sums to do so and fail, so how in the world is Perry not done his job, and not done it superbly? It’s every player with one exception who has failed at some point, nay, at several points, to make this team a playoff bound team It’s every coach and manager who has failed to do their job who has failed to lead and teach and coach who has failed. It is a heartache, nothing but a heartache, that at this point the fans have endured this season.

I’m mad as hell, and you, you should be mad as hell too. The team did not want to make the playoffs this year is all, nothing more, imho of course. The other thing I know is, Perry did his job better than anyone could have expected.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago

I more or less agree with you regarding the players. The manager and coaches have been a failure. The hitting and pitching approaches just don’t work, and attention to basic baseball fundamentals is a joke. The rebuild is going to be ugly, with the gutting off an already bad farm system for 2 month rentals, and Ohtani leaving for greener pasture, which was more or less ensured in the aftermath of last night’s devastating loss. What will Minasian do about that?

TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I agree with this take entirely. Perry has excelled at roster building and has been bad-to-mediocre at everything else.

Guest
9 months ago

The Foundation Building Materials’ keystone of the game for the Angels tonight against the Seattle Sailors is “Too Many Cooks” by Shawn Coleman, Cheryl Rogers, Michael Magnolia, and Patty Mack.

This song perfectly illustrates the psychosis that eventually sets in as a result in having to endure an endless loop of decimating injuries, boneheaded managerial decisions, LOBster fests, BLOWpens, and buttercups.

https://vimeo.com/111468549

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
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https://www.mlb.com/angels/team/front-office

Here’s the tale of the tape. Look at this Organization. Other than Minasian- no baseball people.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Minasian is the best of that sad lot, for sure.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

For sure! The Dodgers suffered something similar under Frank McCourt. Then a group of investors came in, bought the team and restored the great Dodger Org. We all should be hoping for something similar here in Anaheim.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

We thought we had that this off-season, then Arturo broke our hearts and didn’t accept the 3 billion.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Did any of the potential buyers offer him 3 billion? I thought all of the offers were below 3 billion which caused him to change his mind

Guest
9 months ago

There’s something about the way CJ Cron carries himself these days that reminds me of Forest Whitaker as Charles Jefferson in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to 

Should we beat up his car?

Guest
9 months ago

Only if you want him to hit 500 ft. home runs in every at bat of his next game.

5thStarter
Member
9 months ago
Reply to 

Relax, all right? My old man is a television repairman; he’s got this ultimate set of tools.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago

We’ve seen this so many times that it loses it’s impact. Ohtani is the unicorn – another outstanding game last night. The rest of the franchise is creamed corn – goes out like it came in. Unless Ohtani is cloned, there’s not much of a chance of getting to the mythical 90 wins.

All “comfort” aside, why Ohtani would stay with this franchise is beyond me. My fear now is that the culture of the franchise begins to stick to Neto and Moniak and wreck them too.

Drew-S
Member
9 months ago

I just saw a new article from last night in the Athletic about how pathetic the franchise is.
They already looked bad. Btw, from another Athletic article, trade deadline grades, Houston and Texas both got A’s. The Angels got a D.

I wonder why. Because Arte and Perry can’t seem to see the same thing that any rational baseball fan can see. The organization is a total joke. Good luck to Shohei in the future. He needs to go to a team where the world will get to see him shine in the playoffs.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Drew-S

We’ll that’s easy to discount. Someone at the Athletic has heard of Scherzer and Verlander.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 months ago

What do the player’s see in Nevin, he really is clueless out there.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
9 months ago

Probably is permissive and lets them do whatever. It’s like that parent that lets their kid drink alcohol before they’re 21 or stay out past 10pm

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago

As a former player, Nevin has “street credibility”. My guess is that he’s buddies with the players and relates well to the challenges of the day-to-day. With that goes the difficulty from moving from player to manager. I’d guess there some accountability for performance, but it’s handled in a very discrete manner. He’s inexperienced and likely plays instincts and hunches more than lessons learned from experience. It seems to be a comfortable environment for the players, and that’s likely by Nevin’s style.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago

GP, are they really going to trash their manager in public. They’ve got no choice but to say positive things.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 months ago

It’s not easy being an Angels fan. Ultimately it’s up to the players to show they want to win by playing above their own limitations, having “Career Years”, to get to go Show! This injury riddled team. Managers and coaches coming through too is essentially a much too. You have to come through in the clutch and our guys can’t seem to grasp this. Toughest Angels loss maybe this year for me.

Drew-S
Member
9 months ago

Grandpa, I write this respectfully. We can say all we want about the players, the coaches, etc etc. Let’s be clear…. This All Starts At The Top. Maybe Arte can keep the team and set all sorts of brilliant MLB records. Btw, what ever happened to good scouting? I’m sure glad they fired the head scout that was responsible for drafting Trout.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Drew-S

I’ll post it again. Here is who is in charge. Other than Perry – no baseball people. This has been the ongoing problem.

https://www.mlb.com/angels/team/front-office

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Been like this for at least 10 years. Nothing new here

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

My point exactly. It’s a reminder of why this Org has been so unsuccessful despite having an abundance of riches in Trout and Ohtani. Nothing will change until Arte is gone and (hopefully) a real baseball Org is put into place in Anaheim. .

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

We are “on hold” until that happens.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

You would have thought that they were a marketing agency instead of a Major League Baseball organization