LA Angels Weekend News Crash: Having a Blast

Last week I went to Phoenix for my annual Spring Training trip. Family, friends, baseball…it was just what the doctor ordered. The atmosphere at the World Baseball Classic was incredible and seeing the USA lineup in person was a treat.

As always, the best part was spending time with my dad and my son. Having both at a ballpark is a blessing. Ranking right up there with that was meeting up with Jessica and her family and having some of our friends join us on the trip. We wrapped up our weekend with a picture perfect day at Camelback watching the Angels take on the White Sox. A great group of families on the outfield berm, under the shade, watching our kids have fun.

Speaking of the WBC, Team USA is moving on up to the next round thanks to a big night from Mike Trout. I can honestly say he received the largest ovation when lineups were announced before the Great Britain game. On Wednesday night he put the US on his back and carried them to victory.

Trout is loving the experience of being the captain of the USA. He’s clearly all in on this team.

While Trout justifiably gets a lot of credit for the win vs. Columbia, the US bullpen was lights out. The bullpen is a 15 headed monster that could get better as the tournament rolls on.

Sorry for the back to back links from The Athletic but they are doing great WBC coverage.

Trout is far from the only Angel impressing in the WBC. Patrick Sandoval’s performance against the USA impressed Phil Nevin and a lot of viewers.

And, of course, there’s Pool B MVP Shohei Ohtani who threw his fastest pitch ever against Italy.

Ohtani did have one hiccup, against friend of the site David Fletcher:

Perhaps the most incredible number I can throw out regarding the WBC:

This just goes to prove the “baseball is dying” narrative is lazy reporting. Honestly, I’ve seen the same in boxing forever. The sports are not as big here as they were a generation or three ago, but that is more than offset by growth internationally. 55,000 attended the Japan/Korea game and it pulled in that rating.

The Information Age has changed things. Ratings for everything are down, including most NFL games. But to say sports that are selling out the Tokyo Dome, Wembley, and Stadium Azteca with broadcasts reaching tens of millions beyond American borders are dying is folly at best. They are just changing and becoming more global. Which leads to more global talent entering the sports, perpetuating the cycle.

The Edwin Diaz injury will sadly overshadow this great tournament. It hurt to see, but please don’t change the WBC due to one unfortunate injury. There’s your longform reading.

All this WBC talk takes away from the fact it is Spring Training and there are some battles for playing time going on.

Chase Silseth struck out three and is getting more comfortable with his new cutter.

Griffin Canning is healthy, showing improved velocity, and pitched three solid innings in that Angels/White Sox game we attended.

This might all be for not as the out of options Tucker Davidson is pitching well this Spring.

Pretty cool to have a battle of guys who deserve to be in MLB battling for a spot. That old adage of the Angels not having enough pitching is starting to change. We have 4 of the top 100 starters in our rotation.

Matt Thaiss and Mickey Moniak are the guys who are really seizing the day IMO. With Thaiss also out of options, I think he’s in the drivers seat for the backup catching role to start the season.

And now for something completely different…

Diamond Sports Group filed BK as expected. Their goal is to restructure $8 billion in debt that was taken on when they acquired the sports networks. Buy it, promise to pay, file BK, don’t pay. Seems solid, right?

MLB has been gearing up for this and sources say the current plan is to stream games for free.

Bally, for their part, says they plan on operating as usual during the process and that broadcasts should not be interrupted.

The bottom line is that somehow, some way we should be able to watch the Halos.

In one last bit of bad news, Doug DeCinses son was found dead in Irvine yesterday. Dude definitely had his demons but he also leaves behind a young daughter.

From around the league:

The Steinbrenners are lower than Cheap Arte. The Yankees are one of only two teams to charge their players for in flight wifi.

The best way to wrap this week up is by posting the best thing I saw this week:

Enjoy the weekend, the Madness, and maybe even a little sun.

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Eric_in_Portland
Legend
6 months ago

Arte seems to have an interesting understanding of what it takes to make a full ballclub.

Here he asks Perry:

“I said, ‘You mean you need more than just Turner?'”

tommyshalo
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Mexico vs. Japan for the semifinals.
Sandy likely starting.

Shohei like “I’m really gonna knock your balls.”
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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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This team looks pretty damn solid. But not ready to go 5-7 rounds with the Astros, etc. The only big hole I see is at SS, just like everyone else. The future is also a large hole.

What if we could get the Cleveland Cave-Ins to GO FOR IT ALL while they still have Beiber and Ramirez at full go and their division is weak?

What if we traded Ohtani to them to pair with their solid roster and star pitcher and hitter?

What if we got Triston McKenzie, Ahmed Rosario and say prospect arm Justin Campbell back in a slight overtrade? McKenzie isn’t quite Ohtani on the mound yet, but he’s no slouch. If he takes a 2 WAR step forward this year he is Ohtani on the mound. He’s also not even in Arb till 2024. Plug him in with Detmers, Anderson, Sandoval and our future arms? We’d be lookin pretty good now and in the future.

Take our current line up. Use Urshela/Drury at 2B. Then plug Rosario in at SS with his .715 OPS and 18 steals. Urshela/Drury/Rosario + an open DHs flexibility will most likely provide us the offense that Ohtani takes away from last year’s line up.

Trade Rengifo because he has value and get another pen arm. Fletcher becomes utility.

Take the massive pile of money Ohtani was going to get. Extend Ward, Sandoval and Rosario… maybe Detmers too.

THAT is a fairly young team with a lot of talent locked in for a few years. It will cover the rest of Rendon and most of Trout’s tenure while we’ll have the you arms to replace Anderson when his contract ends.

Win many games for many years. Root freely for the Guardindians to win it all in 2023 before Ohtani tells everyone it’s been every little Japanese boys dream to play for the Dodgers and Beiber reveals he always was a Yankees fan as a kid.

Tucky D wins Cy Young award as Angels make it to ALCS and lose to those hated Indiguards. Angels win the 2024-2030 World Series.

I get a cookie. Huzzah!

No? Get to watch Ohtani for six months is a better long term plan? Basically the team we have now, but Renfroe, Urshela, Walsh, Sandoval, Ward soon leave to go get paid… better?

I’m just sayin, our iron is heating up. Stand pat?

SchofieldsWalkoff
Member
6 months ago

Stand Pat

I think Fletcher will be fine, he was on his way to a 3rd straight season of 715 OPS or greater in 2021 before a horrendous 44 game stretch at the end of the season.
715 OPS (333 babip) with 11 stolen bases through 1st 113 377 OPS (166 babip) with 4 stolen bases through last 44.2022 he suffered a core injury in spring training & played injured or rehabing the whole year.

Even if we re-sign Ohtani, there’s a ton of money coming off the books over the 4 years.
Committed Money
2023 – $226,751,6672024 – $130,991,667 – 7.5 possible club option decline2025 – $110,408,334 – 7.5 possible club option decline2026 – $92,708,334 – 8 possible club option decline2027 – $58,208,334 – 8.5 possible club option decline
If the MiLB teams starts producing productive players on a regular basis again, resigning Sandoval (FA 2027) & Detmers (FA 2028) doesn’t seem that much of a reach.

Ward (FA 2027) will probably end up being trade bait due to his age (currently 29).

Everything is contingent on the farm.

I’d love to get McKenzies but he’s from New York so obviously he wants to go back there to pitch for the Yankees, no chance he’d report even if the Angels traded for him.

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SchofieldsWalkoff
Member
6 months ago

Guess the bullet points don’t work. 🙄

Last edited 6 months ago by SchofieldsWalkoff
RexFregosi
Super Member
6 months ago

At this point, stand pat.
We don’t need a SS apparently- we have Fletch!

I wanted a SS, I wanted Turner. So did Arte- he wanted Turner too, but PTP said “No Arte, you can’t have him.”

Stoopid Perry- everyone everywhere knows we need a SS.

We roll with Fletch and see where we are in June.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
6 months ago

no WBC thread yet, so….

Urias getting clobbered in the 1st inning. Yikes!

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago

Good thing team Mexico has Sandoval to lean on. Eat it Doyers.

Blackgoat
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Been a few years since I checked in here, happy weekend all.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Blackgoat

Yazz! Weekends for everyone!

Fansince1971
Legend
6 months ago

WBC giving Trout and Ohtani a taste of playing truly meaningful games similar to playoffs. Maybe it will be a source of further motivation for 2023.

By the way, I have a new saying for this year as an Angel fan and my state of mind:

‘23
We will see

Fansince1971
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6 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Or

‘23
Wait and See

max
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max
6 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

’23
our last year of Ohtani

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  max

23 and hopefully Me

matthiasstephan
Super Member
6 months ago

We have not four but five pitchers in the top 100.

Ohtani (7), Detmers (47), Sandoval (58), Anderson (67), Suarez (97).

RexFregosi
Super Member
6 months ago

so who is pitching the 8th and 9th?
Its not Esteves.

who is the April closer?

FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago

Nice, I could see Sandoval and Detmers turning the corner over the past couple of years. Still expect some more growth.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

No worries. I am just happy to see it. Few teams have 5 in the top 100 (though at least one has six, even after losing Verlander).

MarineLayer
Super Member
6 months ago

All I can say about the WBC is if there had to be a WBC-related injury, I vastly prefer it happened to someone on another team. I’d be pissed if it were Trout or Ohtani.

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Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I agree:

Minimal risk,
? reward

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Angelz4ever

Exactly. Costs nothing. Could be something. But having Webb, Rosenburg, Marshall, Garza, C Rod in AAA along with whoever goes down out of Canning/Suarez/Silseth/Davidson (if he clears waivers)…. this is very nice.

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Perry is starting to put a “PTP” stamp on this organization…Is it possible the Angels actually screw the Phillies in this trade? Could be nice found Lotto ticket. Interesting to see what happens.

A New trAdition?

https://www.mlb.com/news/mickey-moniak-trying-to-earn-opening-day-roster-spot-with-angels

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Twebur

This is why I am all for stocking up on “pedigree” prospects that failed. Why I also don’t want to ditch Adell.

One of the best things about baseball is, through brute skill development, a less gifted player can become a useful major leaguer. This is cool. But there is still the fact that some guys are just naturally gifted. These guys tend to be first round picks, or high priced IFAs. But they can flop by not developing.

BUT, at least some of these guys are incredibly talented and just can’t get things to click till they are 24 as apposed to 21. If your system is not stuffed with top 200 prospects, why not stash a few of these guys in AAA and see if they figure it all out? That’s how you blunder into a solid starter or an outfielder with 60 grade speed and power.

This will require some of these guys getting looks in ST instead of darling new guys. But I think it’s worth it. That’s why I’m OK with a pile of Adell, Moniak… guys like John Lamb or Meyers a couple years ago. If they click, we win. If they don’t, it cost us nothing but style points. People around here like to freak out like bringing a guy like this to camp is INSTEAD of signing what ever Max Scherzer dream they had, but it’s not. It’s a separate thing and it’s fairly smart, mostly because it risks very little.

How hard has it been to find a solid CF capable 4th OF who isn’t an offensive black hole? If we can get that for just dumping Thor’s salary, which we were gonna do anyway, that’s awesome.

I really like Phillips. But I am really starting to root for Mick to just plain outplay him for the bench OF spot out of camp.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
6 months ago

why do you like Phillips? Is he an incredible plus defender?

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago

So I hear……Reputation for excellent glove, great arm, good character/clubhouse guy, pitch runner with speed…Team first guy that’s not going to need to play much….good Tweeter follow is the word on the street. High Team Grit Rating.

As PTP’s personal assistant GM, I’d give him the 4th OF spot. Hope he’s nothing but our go to pinch runner and defensive replacement for Ward when needed.
Give Mickey Mantle Moniak and Adell more development in all 3 OF spots at SL. First OF’er goes on the DL, one of them comes up and starts.

Fleckstein
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Stick Ohtani in right field so Trout can DH one day a week

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fleckstein

Why do you think he can play RF?

matthiasstephan
Super Member
6 months ago

He played OF for Nippon for years (with a good defensive rating) and also played 8 innings in RF with the Angels (thus far).

(That said, I think it is up to Ohtani if he wants to play OF, and anything to keep him around long term (imho) should be done. We are better with him starting and at DH than any other such combination I can see moving forward).

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

In the last eight years the man played 8 games in the OF in Japan and 7.1 innings in the OF for us. He played some OF his rookie year in NPB because he only pitched 18 times. I’ve seen some video and his stats. It looks pretty “Upton”.

Maybe he can learn to be a good OF once he can’t pitch anymore.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Twebur

This is likely what happens.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Oh no, I just like him as a guy who happens to be a plus defender. The only reason to have him around though is cause the Angels won’t likely need a 4th OF most of April, so why let Moniak languish on the bench? Send him to SLC to hit 4 times a day, but not because he failed in ST.

Jimmuscomp
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Fletcher looks amazing in that picture…it really is easy to forget just how athletic EVERY MLB player is – he looks like he could go 3 rounds with a middle weight boxer!

Jimmuscomp
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Oh shit! That’s cool! I was the Jazz director at BC before Kris. He and I came up together at CSUB – long time friend! Didn’t know you played drums for him at BC – like 2001/2002 ish?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Uh oh. My friend from Shafter is down on your Wasco enthusiasm.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago

With this comment, you’ve put us all into a Fowler mood

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DowningDude

Nice. Gonna send me to a McFarland away?

You don’t Taft to be a jerk about it.

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Jimmuscomp
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

You know – hope springs eternal – so I’ll be here a bit until they give me a reason to do something else with my unbridled optimism.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I had no idea you play the drums. Drums build character and intelligence.

BruinsAngelsKings
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Made our first trip to Spring Training this past Sunday to Wednesday. Saw the Angels vs. Seattle on Monday at Tempe Diablo and then USA vs. Canada at Chase Field that night. What a day for baseball. That HR by Trout was indeed a BOMB! Chase Field was electric as he hit it.

Headed out to Salt River Fields and saw the Giants vs. Diamondbacks on Tuesday; what a facility! Makes Tempe Diablo stadium look like a cheap, fleabag motel.

Al in all, had a great trip and we will be doing this annually.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
6 months ago

Sports announcing is in it’s own right something that is very special. First you need a voice that is above all very special. Then you need to have the dedication to be the very best in the sport or sports of your choosing. Adding to it all you need to have the knowledge of the game you are working and the personality to sound special to the fans ears. Only a few make it to the top of the mountain so to speak.

This week Greg Gumbel and Jim Nance were given the news that they are being put out to pasture by CBS Sports. Greg Gumbel has called his last NFL game at CBS. This is a guy that has called two Super Bowls and is now going to just do NCAA Basketball studio work. After 30 years of work and in 4 sports in the business he is being put out to pasture. But he is not alone.

Jim Nantz has been the main voice for CBS in all of it’s sports programming for 25 years and has been told that his duties will not include the NCAA basketball Tournament after this year. The Voice of March Madness to be replaced is sad news.

Being on the National stage is the pinnacle, the highest you can achieve, but like all rides it will come to an end. We’ve through the years said goodbye to Curt Gowdy, Joe Garagiola, Vin Scully, Dick Enberg and Mel Allen to name aa few, voices that just stay with you that are special in painting the picture and of sharing anticipation with us.

All sports are enhanced because of those that bring it to us in their very special ways.

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago

Jim Nance will still do the NFL and Golf. He’s not going anywhere. Poor guy, supposedly wants to spend more time with his family and play with his “wine company”. Needs more time to sit for oil portraits of himself.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/11/03/jim-nantz-ncaa-tournament-nfl-si-media-podcast

toad2065
Member
6 months ago

On the other hand, Grandpa, I have still never heard of anyone tuning into a sporting event because of who was broadcasting it. I won’t even get into the issue of stuffing the booth and the sidelines with totally superfluous (and overpaid) “talent”! But I gnash my teeth every month when it is time to pay my cable bill.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Only some. I for one, will be glad when the Bally Brotastic Duo is relegated to the back fields (preferably for another team) and the A-team finally moves into the booth.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Marcotor

Who is the “A Team” again? I honestly lose track of all the various broadcasters we hate for various reasons because they aren’t Victor “Truth to Power” Rojas. Which are the ones that don’t suck?

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
6 months ago

Imagine being paid 850 thousand dollars a season and a couple up around 40 million a season for up to 7 months of work and being charge around a hundred bucks a month for your internet use. The shame of it all. What’s next, having to pay for your meals and rooms, oh no say it ain’t so Joe.  🤓 

Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
6 months ago

G-Pa, don’t forget MLB players also get $380 a day per diem for road games. That’s of course non-taxable.

SchofieldsWalkoff
Member
6 months ago

If the standard practice of the industry you work in is to provide free internet while using the transport they are mandating you use but your employer chooses not to & you have no other options to travel, that’s petty BS by the Reds & Yankees.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

The real question is, how did Arte and his cabal manage to force the Yankees and Reds to do this?

Andrew?

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
6 months ago

We saw the sun yesterday and we had a warm 46-degree day. Big Bear Lake has gained 8 feet of water since last Summer to be down only 12 feet and with more snow melt arriving daily. More rain and some wet snow forecast for Sunday thru Tuesday morning.

Trout and Shohei are sure having some good times in the WBC aren’t they, good for them too. While Keith Oberman may not like WBC, the rest of America is enjoying it the competition as games are from around the world are being followed at some un-Godly hours for North Americans, but it’s all good even if it is “Where your Mother got laid” according to Oberman. He always was an idiot.

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago

Keith who? I didn’t know that guy was still alive

Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yep and flailing to show more people that he is…..

Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Years ago. when he’d wax political on his “Sports show” I stopped listening or caring about what that troll had to say.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Ditto. Btw, he lost his sport gig at KTLA CH5 in LA because his mentions of politics during his reporting on sports, but he quickly turned up at KNXT CH2 doing sports.

RexFregosi
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

If you’re scoring at home. or even if you’re alone.

RexFregosi
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

He funny and intelligent



GrandpaBaseball
Legend
6 months ago

Good morning to all, yesterday was a fun sports day with March Madness and Angels Baseball being some great entertainment with Keith Oberman providing the comedy.

Angels Baseball is exciting even without a rudder or two. Detmers did look good out on the mound and Walsh hit a lefty with a couple of hits. Adell gets a hit and then promptly gets thrown out.

UCLA Basketball has started out hot with a big win and USC plays today at 9am. Every year there are amazing first round upsets and yesterday was no exception as University of Arizona as a #2 seed went down to Princeton, # 15 seed, in an ugly game. Well there goes my Bracket (lol).

halofansince1978
Super Member
6 months ago

Why does Tyler Anderson only have one appearance (March 3rd) this spring…injury?

JackFrost
Super Member
6 months ago

I was wondering that as well …

Jessica DeLine
Admin
Super Member
6 months ago

He pitched on the 9th against Team USA (regrettably), but yea not since then. Seems suspect.

halofansince1978
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jessica DeLine

Baseball Reference doesn’t show that second appearance…hmmm!!

Jimmuscomp
Trusted Member
6 months ago

WBC games don’t count for Spring Training stats – so it’s not really tracked anywhere aside from WBC boxscores…weird. But he did pitch that day. And got crushed.

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Jessica DeLine

Not listed as a starter today or tomorrow. Pitched only 7 innings in ST last year with the Dodgers…about 4 innings this spring. He has a different ST routine or he is hurt.

RexFregosi
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

He must be at the secret camp, the same one that has CRod looking ready for opening day too.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  RexFregosi

Camp Best Shape of My Life

WallyChuckChili
Legend
6 months ago

You mean Glamp?