LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Now Official

The Angels signed Jake Lamb to a minor league deal according to Jon Heyman. They also signed Jhonathan Diaz to a minor league deal.

Dansby Swanson’s deal with the Cubs is now official. It’s a relatively complicated deal and has a full no trade clause. Michael Brantley’s deal with the Astros is now also official. Ditto for the Orioles deal with Mychal Givens. In keeping with the trend, the Yankees made the Carlos Rodon and Aaron Judge deals official.

The Red Sox signed utility player Nico Goodrum to a minor league contract with an invitation to spring training. The Athletics DFAd Zach Logue to make room on their roster for Drew Rucinsky. The Tigers claimed Mario Feliciano off waivers from the Brewers and designated Bligh Madris for assignment in a corresponding move. The Yankees designated right hander Junior Fernandez for assignment. They also designated Lucas Leutge for assignment to make room for Tommy Kahnle.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Cowboy26
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1 year ago

For once Bauer is the Doyers problem not ours . They’re already on the hook for $25 million regardless whether it it he ever throws another pitch for them .

You wouldn’t sign him as a sixth starter so he would have supplant someone like Suarez in the rotation. Who would then go to the pen . Not sure it would make much sense to take that on here

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Because OUTRAGE the Dodgers are likely to pay him 25M to hang out at home making YouTube videos. It hurts duh Doyers, so it’s fine with me.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
1 year ago

Hard pass on Bauer.

It’d be one thing if there was one accuser in a he said/she said thing. There are three and they all say the same thing.

It’d also be different if he was a guy who owned his mistake, got sone help, and pledged to do better.

But he’s not.

He’ll keep trolling online for women to abuse. It’s a question of when he beats the next one. Not if.

Hopefully he’s not in the backyard of the most pro criminal DA in the country when he does it next time.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

See, that’s the thing, he’s the test case.

I hate his guts. I disliked him before all this stuff.

But I just don’t buy it out of hand when “more come forward” once there’s a safe sense of public sentiment PLUS money in the offing. If he was just beating the crap out of random sexual partners he’d be in jail because that’s wrong. But if these women are coming to him via the wonderweb and telling him they are into what he’s made it clear he’s into….

Am I grossed out? Hell yeah. Do I want him on the team? Nope. But I don’t think he has anything to be contrite about. The man likes a rough fk. Lot’s do, so do many many many women. I know this to be true. It’s not my thing, it creeps me out, but the man is only guilty of doing things very different than I’d do them and also having money and fame as far as I can tell. I don’t even think he should have been suspended.

He’s an easy target for dislike and outrage. He’s a perv and an asshole besides. But what society does in the open to a guy like this, a punching bag everyone enjoys hitting, is EXACTLY what we should expect society to do to any of us when they can get away with it. And this bullshit shows what will happen to any of us as soon as enough people find it palatable. The only law he broke was decency, and the only reason it’s OK to take millions of dollars from him is because the consensual sex he enjoys makes almost everyone uncomfortable.

Even you Jeff, and you know I respect the hell out of you, make it sound like he’s out there trapping unsuspecting women who didn’t see any of this coming and thought he was just gonna gaze deeply into their eyes while they made whoopie. But the texts between them, and almost certainly any other woman who ever gets involved with him at this point, were pretty damn explicit. And these grown ass women are responsible for the men they fck. It’s not like he’s trolling around in a panel van here.

Do I think we’d get him? Hell no, PR etc as sited below. Am I glad for that? Yeah. But if he does get to pitch again no one’s gonna need to save me a seat on the outrage wagon.

Mas_Angeles
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

So IIWPTP question: would you take Bauer on? If so, at what price?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mas_Angeles

If the vast majority of players on our roster were cool with it hell yeah I’d take him on a league minimum. He’s a total douche and not my type of guy but HE DIDN’T BREAK ANY LAWS and actually got consent for his kinks. He’s gross, but so are a lot of people, and retroactive withdrawal of consent and massive grabs at money aren’t cool with me, even if Bauer may well be the last guy I’d want to help avoid any pain.

Let the douche work for us, sure fine, if he’s not a problem for all the saintly saints on our team.

VictoriousVIC
Trusted Member
1 year ago

If the Dodgers cut him, I don’t think Bauer will throw another ball in the MLB due to the PR nightmare that will follow. I would also bet the house Perry does not go after him since he is so big on “quality guys” and clubhouse chemistry.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  VictoriousVIC

I disagree, how many wife beaters and roiders are welcomed back by hometown fans in MLB? Crimes against children are usually the career killers, Adrian Peterson being the exception.

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Agree, someone will sign him. We are the land of “Second Chances.” If his teammates liked him, I’d sign him up.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago

LOL @ “league minimum”

The Dodgers won’t outright cut him. That would break the halos all-time salary eating of GMJ, Hamilton or Pujols. If anything, some team may take half his salary, the dodgers aren’t stupid.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mas_Angeles

No. Price doesn’t matter here. Not for Angels. Maybe Marlins.

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Yeah or maybe go back to the Reds.

admkir
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Ortega gone

Born_in_59
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1 year ago
Reply to  admkir

So did the team sign Hosmer or Moustakas?

admkir
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

Drury

admkir
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Did you hear what I heard?
Patty O is being replaced by Wayne Randazzo

Last edited 1 year ago by admkir
FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  admkir

Never heard this guy from NY but all good here.

2002heaven
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1 year ago

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SMART PEOPLE NEED TIME OFF TOO!!! SEEYAH IN 2023 80% NATION AND DON’T GO TOO FAR BECAUSE THE EARTH IS STILL FLAT YAH KNOW!!!
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Mia
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Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Hopefully the psych ward is decorated for Christmas!

WallyChuckChili
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1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

No Tootsie for over a week?
Christmas came early!

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

I’m at Patton……

red floyd
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1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I agree that smart people need time off. What are you doing instead since you don’t need time off?

Last edited 1 year ago by red floyd
red floyd
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1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Don’t let the door hit you on your way out.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago

Rich Hill could be a cheap #7 or 8 starter…….

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago

The moose is loose!!

Moustakas cut loose and his $22M salary will still be paid-Wow, who saw that coming?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Angelz4ever

All of Southern Ohio.

We should sign him for depth. He grew up in the shadow of the Big A. That is a big deal for some reason. He’s also big. That’s nice. He’s a winner. He has stubble and he’s white… so grit. Sure, he doesn’t hit or play a position we need him to. But he’s got zazz.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago

We could sign him, probably about five or six years too late, but depth….maybe.

red floyd
Legend
1 year ago

You forgot Gritty Veteraniness!

FungoAle
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

His bad peripherals caught up with him, played him out of position too. Pass.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Agreed, he’d cost another player to be bumped off the 40 man. Maybe extend a ST invite? You never know what ST brings to light. Trust me, a lot of players get dinged up in the offseason, don’t inform their teams and then “Up jumps the Devil!” they get hurt early in ST.

Now with the interwebs, I am sure the teams are in touch more with players during the offseason.

Last edited 1 year ago by Angelz4ever
HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 year ago

We really need a SS. Isn’t Baldoquin ready yet? 😂

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago

Just about, I just know it!!

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago

You know, when you start your career with the nickname “Baldy” it just seems that your career is ill-fated…..

It brings to mind other fateful nicknames of short career pro athletes, “The fridge” “The couch” “Boz”

Last edited 1 year ago by Angelz4ever
WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 year ago

What about Will Wilson?

red floyd
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1 year ago

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Born_in_59
Member
1 year ago

Somebody can correct me if I’m wrong, but it looks like team would be as follows: C Stassi, Thaiss, 1B Drury, 2B Rengifo, SS Fletcher, 3B Rendon, LF Renfroe, CF Trout, RF Ward, DH Ohtani with Urshela, Moniak and Wade as backup. Once Walsh is back, Wade is gone.
Pitchers would be: Ohtani, Anderson, Sandoval, Detmers, Suarez as starters with a BP of Estevez, Garza, Loup, Tepera, Barria, Wantz, Ortega and Quijada.
Not knowing how much budget is left, I think the team could upgrade at second catcher and add another pitcher who could swing between starting and relieving, without breaking the bank.
Catcher could be filled by someone like Roberto Perez, who can’t hit either but is still rated a positive defender. The extra pitching spot could be filled by Rich Hill who can still give 100 innings of average quality for $2 to $3 million.

steelgolf
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

Don’t forget O’Hoppe at catcher. I’m sure he will be at spring training.

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  steelgolf

And don’t forget Wade no longer lives here

Born_in_59
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yes, I did forget.

Born_in_59
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I hadn’t forgotten O’Hoppe, but I’m assuming he and Soto both start the season in AAA.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

You probably assume correctly. I believe Soto will turn heads and be in the majors (Legitimately) by maybe mid-season.

Born_in_59
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I’d really like for you to be right on Soto. I do expect O’Hoppe to be called up before the all-star break.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

You know, some guys hit meh in MiLB and then hit in the show. It’s rare (Piazza) but it does happen.

FungoAle
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

True, maybe the Angels Soto may follow that mold. Albert was not a home run hitter in MiLB before he backed into a needle.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

by “Wade” do you mean Tyler Wade, now in the Oakland system?

Born_in_59
Member
1 year ago

Mistake about Wade, but I would think Valazquez would fill that slot but he’d still be gone when Walsh gets reactivated.

FungoAle
Legend
1 year ago

Primed for a breakout

Bob_K
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

That’s only 25. You counted Ohtani twice. With a 13 pitcher limit, there’ll be 1 more for position players, likely Squid…at least until he proves that he did nothing in the offseason to improve his approach at the plate. Or they’ll shuttle between Salt Lake & Anaheim with Squid and Adell.

Born_in_59
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Bob_K

True, but I wasn’t sure where Ohtani is going to be counted, as a pitcher or position player.

Bob_K
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

Ah, forgot about that quirk – thanks.

Rallymanatee
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

You only listed 5 starting pitchers. Last I heard, we’re still planning to use 6 (unfortunately).

Born_in_59
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Rallymanatee

Hence why I suggested picking up Rich Hill.

Turk's Teeth
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Super Member
1 year ago

Nobody asked, but would like to see Minasian trade for Amed Rosario as a one-year transition to Neto, and bring on Greinke for a year (say a $10M base with incentives). Mateo is another option, but Rosario feels like the most well-rounded upgrade.

Not convinced the team needs much more than that to contend for a WC spot.

I wouldn’t obsess on the BP – convert Silseth and let the rest of the deep Panda crew (where all the starters are likely future relievers) vie for spots. Veteran status among relievers rarely guarantees future success.

That’d be a solid six rotation and a strong infield at all spots.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Turk's Teeth

This is some good Christmas wisdom. I know some people don’t like him, but I for one would love to have ol’ Murder Face back in the rotation. He’s a hoot.

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Since nobody asked, I’ll ask. What took you so long?

Turk's Teeth
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Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Much busier life these days – had to step away from the site’s editorial circle. Just an irregular commenter now, with an irregular passion for this frustrating team.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Rosario would be a great get. But with all the SS need out there, it’s going to be competitive and going to take someone like Herget and a bonus to get him. Herget would be a big loss but seems to be the value it will take in any deal with value. We, unfortunately, don’t have the prospects in the system.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I still have concerns about the bullpen. Really, this needs to be the strongest area of the team, if you look at winning teams they have 3-4 guys who are really reliable. We don’t even have one as we speak. We have potential, but nobody who we know is nails.

I also think Greinke is done. Too risky. Simple pass on him. His walk rate is low and control is good, but he is an explosion waiting to happen. Only averages 89 mph on his fastball…Guys who used to throw 95-96 and attempt to prolong their careers with guile alone are not good bets.

Last edited 1 year ago by JackFrost
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

Well, it’s been like ten years since Greinke could break 95 so…. that’s pretty prolongy. Like Rich Hill, I’d take him as that #6 starter that gets fewer starts than the rest.

I’d also like you to tell me who the “reliable” pen arms we can or could have gotten this winter are. Apparently you want 3 or 4. Who? Cause that’s a mystery I have never been able to crack.

FungoAle
Legend
1 year ago

The GM should learn that art of trading prospects for established producers. “No, we cannot trade our Pandas!!! How dare you!” Meanwhile, back to reaching towards the bottom of the barrel.

Last edited 1 year ago by FungoAle
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  FungoAle

So…. are you saying trade prospects for established producers or not?

If so, who? Who are the guys who you just know for sure will not let you down in that bullpen? In the winter of 2021 were Loup, Iglesias and Tepera bottom of the barrel? Please fill me in. When it comes to forecasting BP performance I’m totally lost. Who would you go get? How?

Turk's Teeth
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Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Who’s saying “No, we cannot trade our Pandas!!! How dare you!” ? Seems like a strawman position.

Isn’t it a more reasonable strategy to assess the one area of depth on the farm that the team has already heavily invested in than to trade them for more expensive veterans who are no more reliable?

Tepera, Loup, Iglesias and Bradley were the very definition of “established producers” last season, and to a man they disappointed relative to their salaries, and each regressed relative to the prior year.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

Greinke has been doing it with smoke and mirrors for a while now. Eventually that comes to an end and it comes crashing down. I don’t want him on our team when that happens.

And I did not say that there were 3-4 really good guys that could have been had. What I said was that is what you need to win. I guess it is possible we have three dudes who overacheive and are really good in our pen. But that is not likely. More likely we have one guy who overachieves and is really good, two who are average and one or two that basically stink. That will not get it done.

Last edited 1 year ago by JackFrost
Turk's Teeth
Editor
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Well, every player eventually fades and retires. But control artists who have lived on guile, player knowledge and avoiding hard contact for a decade tend to outlive the average velocity-driven studs.

You seem to want guarantees of overperformance for your sixth starters – not sure why anyone would have that expectation, or why Greinke would crash harder at age 39 than, say, Silseth, Canning or C-Rod in their mid-20s.

It’s one or the other, and with Arturo willing to spend this season as he markets the club to other billionaires, a one-year bet that Greinke puts up a similar 4 FIP season to the one he delivered last season, with the reduced workload of a six-man rotation, has a downside that seems rather minimal.

Turk's Teeth
Editor
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Greinke has been effective with reduced velocity for a long time – he hasn’t had an average FB north of 90 since 2017. Yet his barrel % is still below league avg, and his EV and hard hit %s are still very much league average.

IMO, he keeps the ball in the park and avoids hard contact well enough to be a sensible risk as a backend starter on a one-year contract.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Why pay him $10 million when arguably Silseth or somebody else from our system can get you at least similar results at a much, much cheaper price ??

Last edited 1 year ago by JackFrost
FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I’m not sure why folks think Rosario is on the market. Recognize he could walk next year but pretty valueable as the Central division is Clevelands to lose. Signing Josh Bell seems to signal they want to compete. All for trading for a SS, please.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  FungoAle

I think it’s because they have Andres Gimenez, plus Rocchio, Arias, Tena and Martinez all up at the MLB level and able to play innings at SS. Literally 20% of their Top 30 prospects from last year are MLB ready and play SS. So if the Indians want to trim some money or trade for a power outfielder Rosario makes sense.

FungoAle
Legend
1 year ago

Yes, I’d go hard after Adames, Rosario or Kim in that order. Good trading prospects. This GM needs to make a statement. Renfro was a definite win for the crap he gave up. Now is the time to overpay to get better than good to very good SS.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I really don’t think he’s available, but with a year left, they’d likely consider a value trade so it will cost more than the simulator for sure.

Turk's Teeth
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Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I think any player on a value-driven mid-market club who is in his walk year is available, and Cleveland has a decent mid-infield pipeline. Why wouldn’t they be open to a conversation?

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I’m sure they are open to talking, but they are already competitive and came very close last year. Also, quite a few teams looking will probably drive it up some. While I look at us being really bad at SS, there are a few teams with more to give that want to compete and are in need too. Who knows, maybe they’ll trade him for Squid since he’s the second best defender in the league. 😂

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Would you make that trade straight up for Herget? (Tough call for me. I really think we’re bad at SS, but Herget is a valuable piece.)

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

All that is left to PTP is by way of trade for a SS and/or a Catcher. We still need a backup in CF too, not to mention another SP.

I would have liked to have signed some players that would have helped like bringing back Lorenzen and Thor, Vasquez to catch, Swanson for 24mil to a 5-year deal, Adames in a trade and rid the team of Arte sooner.

Renfroe is a good addition in RF, Anderson may work, and so overjoyed with Mary, oop’s, I mean Lamb.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Wouldn’t it have been cheaper for Cohen to just buy the A’s and Pirates then use them as a farm team?

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

Maybe, but with 3 dailies he can see his picture more often in NYC.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

Just like the Yankees used to do when the A’s were in Kansas City

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Kiner-Falefa for Adell. What do you think? He’s got a year left, and hopefully, Neto is ready.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Selling really, really low on a player who won’t be 24 until next April….

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago

Id rather trade for Joey Wendle

Maybe then a package deal including Rengifo and Adell for a stud starting pitcher or closer?

Last edited 1 year ago by Cowboy26
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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NO Senator! We NEED our team to get younger and build the farm so our roster gets cheaper! But we need all of these young players to blossom into studs within about 500 innings or they are trash. We also need to get semi-expensive MLB talent and make sure prospects get almost no consistent MLB exposure because my feelz don’t trust the young players I demand we develop. Instead, send them to the minors, again. That should fix it. This is why I just can’t let go of the 2nd round pick we lost signing Thor. Who will I not trust in 2026?

As a bonus, I can go back to my Soth era protest bitch about how our FO and manager hates giving young players a chance. Do it Perry!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I was bored. I just took a look. Know what’s crazy? Look at Jo Adell’s defensive stats. “Horrible Jo” was actually such a small sample of innings that his even smaller sample of passable defense at the end of the year has raised his over all defensive numbers to that of players I actually like such as Luis Robert, Bryan Reynolds etc.

Also something you need to ignore if you are Deamndachamp CtPG guy, these are the scouting grades for Adell in 2020..Hit: 55, Power: 60, Run: 65, Arm: 60, Field: 60, Overall: 65.

That was sooooooo long ago…. we should do all we can to trade this guy for a bullpen arm or back up CF.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
1 year ago

No power, mediocre OBP, good glove but not better than Fletcher’s… what’s the upside?

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Great defense and a left handed bat with a career ops against righties around .750 . He can platoon with fletch at SS. Should be able to pick up cheap

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Squid says hi! He’s already on the roster and doesn’t cost us anyone in a trade

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 year ago

His glove is way better than Fletch at SS, (not even close) and he’s even more versatile.

Last edited 1 year ago by HalosFanForLife
grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
1 year ago

You can say that, and it might be true, but Fletch’s defensive runs saved over a full season were better last year… https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/AL/2022-specialpos_ss-fielding.shtml

Angelstan
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Where are the Angels going to play all of these infielders if they trade Adell for a SS? The Angels need OF depth. Adell would be that. As IFs, they already have: Rendon, Fletcher (a spark who makes contact), Rengifo (who proved himself last year worthy of getting a starting shot this year), Soto (great fielder and was terrific at the plate in limited play), Drury, Urshela, Walsh, Lamb, Squid, Neto, and others. They don’t need another SS, 3B, or middle IF. They need better pitching, maybe another late bullpen arm, good health, and some luck.

A good FO also cannot foreclose all available hope for minor leaguers and young players by constantly bringing in veteran talent above them. This doesn’t help the organization and tends to cause dissension and stalled progress.

So I’d say no to any trade for a SS right now. Unless there are serious behind the scenes issues with health we don’t know about, the roster looks pretty set except maybe at catcher and pitcher. Even there, I’d like to see them go with Stassi and O’Hoppe at catcher until that is proven to be insufficient.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Angelstan

We don’t have a SS guys. To think we do is delusional.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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“Delusional” is a bit silly. We have humans who can stand between 2B and 3B. Said human will likely make the put out 96-97 out of 100 times. As apposed to 98.5. It’s not ideal, but it’s not ridiculous either. Especially if you can throw Soto or Squid in there when range and glove are at a premium that exceeds being able to hit for a couple at bats.

Again, not ideal at all, but survivable. Especially if Trout, Ohtani, Rendon, Ward, Walsh, Renfroe et all produce more runs per game than runners score because our SS is sub-par…. even more specially especial if it turns out our sub par SS is actually contributing to that run production that outpaces his crap defense. Lookin at you guys Fletch, Rengifo, Urshela.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 year ago

We have second basemen moonlighting as SS’s. It’s okay to flip-flop the other way, but in those big moments, it catches up.

Squid’s speed is impressive, but his pre-pitch preparation is atrocious, so he gives up some of his range. One game, I was in the worst seats ever, ground-level eyes behind short. But I had a great view of footwork of SS and 3B, so that’s what I decided to watch. I noticed on the first or second pitch of the game that he wasn’t ready and watched him close the rest of the game, and was mortified at how late he was on a lot of pitches. On some pitches, he looked great, but he took off a lot of pitches too. Once he gets moving – his range is eye-dropping. He’s just late a lot, so his range is an illusion. If he was on time, some of his awesome plays would look a lot easier. 1/10th of a second late can be 3-4 feet. Just my opinion. (By the way, Seager was pretty impressive in that regard.) Squid’s speed is so elite, he gets away with being lazy on pitches, but it costs him.

Last edited 1 year ago by HalosFanForLife
SchofieldsWalkoff
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1 year ago

Lyle?

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Lyle?

SchofieldsWalkoff
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Lyle Spencer – Angels reporter (in)famous for making statement about players based on anecdotes & what his eyes “saw” and not the information available for everyone to see.

HalosFanForLife
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1 year ago

I guess people can only read stats if they actually don’t know the intricacies of the game. Is there a Statcast for a player being on time? No. People see him with a +dWAR and think he can’t be better. I’m telling you he’s leaving dWAR on the field. Teams have done studies on pre-pitch preparation, and a few teams do it well. Tampa Bay is a team that does. Across the league, it’s hard for players to be on time for every pitch in 162 games, and most players take pitches off. What shocked me is here was this guy hitting under the Mendoza line that wasn’t completely dialed in on the field. Yet, he does make some beautiful plays and people are wowed. I’m just saying he could be even better, but we’d still have to deal with his bat.

Last edited 1 year ago by HalosFanForLife
SchofieldsWalkoff
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1 year ago

or you can do both and form an opinion based on the largest dataset possible while recognizing your personal evaluation may be biased by the type of player/style of game you prefer to watch.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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The facts say no.

HalosFanForLife
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1 year ago

What facts?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Squid’s defensive metrics and stats. and dWar…

HalosFanForLife
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1 year ago

Well if you’re happy at SS – we must be fine. His career dWar of 2.7 over 6 years is admittedly jaw-dropping. Maybe someday he’ll have a stat named after him. Do you think they will change the Mendoza Line to the Squid Line when he finishes below him for his career? Strikes out 1/3 of the time and has no power. But okay, great facts. His speed plays and it’s a nice weapon, but he’s a platoon defender/pinch runner at best. Great for a playoff roster, but I don’t see him on this 26-man roster. We are weak at SS. Period.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Way to go all “angry ex-girlfriend” on me. I didn’t say anything about being unhappy or happy at short. I said you’re wrong about Squid being a bad defensive shortstop. You plopped down a giant pile of coachdad bullshit about the guy who was the 2nd (3rd?) most statistically valuable defensive SS in the league last year. All I did was say you were wrong.

It’s not like I called you a pompous dumbfuck who has no clue what he’s talking about but sure loves showing it. I sure as hell didn’t say anything about Squid being able to hit. I just said you’re as wrong as nipples for eyes about Squid being a bad defensive shortstop.

“The facts say no.” That’s literally the reply that’s set your ovaries ablaze?

HalosFanForLife
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1 year ago

I’m glad you didn’t call me a pompous dumbfuck, as you should have a deep understanding of the inner workings. Especially the pompous part. Whew.

I guess he’s the answer at SS. You win. We are set at SS. (I doubt you can explain how dWAR is calculated and why dWAR is seriously flawed, so I won’t try to educate you.) Keith Hernandez had a career dWAR of 1.3. But duhhhhh, gee Tennessee, I read dWAR.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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You’re still wrong. It’s gonna be OK. You can get through this. You’re still desperately flopping around finding things no one has said to argue with, giving yourself high blood pressure and ass cancer, but being wrong about something is totally survivable. You’ll be OK if you let yourself be OK.

HalosFanForLife
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1 year ago

LOL — I have to admit – you are funny as hell.

Angelstan
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1 year ago

The only Angels team ever to win the WS didn’t have a SS either I guess. Only Eckstein. So stupid of them to trust him. Undersized, not a good enough arm. Where would they go with him?

That’s basically the argument you are making by dismissing Fletcher, Rengifo, Soto and Squid, among the others. Fletcher in particular.

HalosFanForLife
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1 year ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Eckstein didn’t take pitches off. Fletcher just isn’t a SS. I like him in the lineup, but not at SS. Go through the entire league and see where any of our guys would beat out the other guys at short and you will realize we are really weak there. Maybe, just maybe, 2 or three teams that are non-contenders. So that puts us in the bottom 10-15% basically.

Biggiswrth
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1 year ago
Reply to  Angelstan

I think it wil be Thaiss as the back up as there isn’t anywhere to put him right now and we can “season” (or slow his clock) O’Hoppe down in AAA for a month or two.

Thaiss roster spot will need production in April/May or he is DFA’d. Angels would keep him on the trade block for a team with an early injury that needs a cheap back up.

h27kim
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1 year ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Mostly agree. At least, by the numbers, we have more than enough infielders. What’s eating at people, I suspect, is that we (well, many of us) have already written off Rendon and Walsh (at least enough of their playing time) so that we are thinking Drury at 1b and Urshella at 3b. If so, we have no depth.

OF is in a somewhat similar situation. Many of us have sort of consigned Trout as “not really CF any more.”. If so, we need a “real CF.” But, again, numbers wise, we do have some depth and, theoretically, still with decent upside (even if mostly diminished by now). Among others, I am still puzzled by how Adell just became lost in the OF at the MLB level since we was considered a plus outfielder in minors who often played CF, as far as I remember. Risky, I know, but there really isn’t much room to add depth unless we cut bait and the options still available are increasingly too expensive and/or not really improvements.

Angelstan
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1 year ago
Reply to  h27kim

Noted. The team had a pure CF in Marsh. It traded him. So the FO obviously thinks otherwise. Moniak can play center. And the Angels think Ward can also (not sure why).

I get the injury issues. But they can make moves later if that happens or use what they have and see where it gets them. More pitching is a better use of assets.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

A great many actors have played Santa Claus in a great many movies, from the list of actors can you pick out which movie they played Santa Claus?

Edmund Gwen The Christmas Chronicles
Billy Bob Thorton Santa Claus the Movie
Hulk Hogan Elf
Paul Giamatti Miracle of 34th Street (1994)
David Huddleston Fred Claus
Tom Hanks A Christmas Story
Jeff Gillen Santa with Muscles
Kurt Russell Bad Santa
Richard Attenborough The Santa Claus
Ed Asner Polar Express
John Call The Nightmare before Christmas
Edward Ivory Santa Claus Conquers the Martians
Tim Allen Miracle on 34th Street (1947)

Have fun with this, will post answers later today. BTW, which one of these actors received an Academy Award for their part?

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Huh. I didnt see Mike Scioscia on that list.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

No white beard, sorry.

Dogface1956
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1 year ago

Edmund Gwen – Miracle on 34th Street (1947) Academy Award
Billy Bob Thorton – The Bad Santa
Hulk Hogan – Santa With Muscles
Paul Giamatti – Fred Claus
David Huddleston – Santa Claus The Movie
Tom Hanks – Polar Express
Jeff Gillen – A Christmas Story
Kurt Russell – The Christmas Chronicles
Richard Attenbourgh – Miracle On 34th Street (1994)
Ed Asner – Elf
John Call – Stanta Claus Conquers The Martians
Edward Ivory – The Nightmare Before Christmas
Tim Allen – The Santa Claus 1, 2 & 3

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

Which one got the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor?

red floyd
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1 year ago

Dogface already said Ed Gwynn.

Dogface1956
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1 year ago

Edmund Gwen, maybe the definitive screen Santa. He gave a very nuanced performance in Miracle On 34th Street, just the right amount of Ho Ho Ho!

Angelz4ever
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1 year ago

Fernando Romero signed to MiLB contract.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

In which round of the MLB draft was each of these pitchers taken;

Jared Weaver, John Lackey, Mike Witt, Jarrod Washburn and Frank Tanana.

Bonus Question, which one was drafted the highest?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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WTY was first round, #12 in the 2004 draft; Tanana was first round, #13 in the 1971 draft

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Horse-face was 2nd round, #68 overall in the 1999 draft; Washburn 2nd round #31 of the 1995 draft.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Bonus Answer: WTY

Dogface1956
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1 year ago

Weaver 1 – 12
Tanana 1 – 13
Washburn 2 – 31
Lackey 2 – 68
Witt 4 – 92

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

Aced it again.

Dogface1956
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1 year ago

The interweb is a great thing, only wish it was around when I was in High School and College. I would have been a ace student, instead of a Pluto style 6-year college ace.

ihearhowie3.0
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1 year ago

Kinda feel like this was a good year to sit out big game free agency. The numbers just seemed more insane than normal and I personally would not have felt like we made some transformational change if we signed Carlos Correa or Trea Turner or 2 years of Justin Verlander.

Odds are by the time we have an actual window open he’d be on the decline already and be the new Pujols/Upton anchor.

Last edited 1 year ago by ihearhowie3.0
GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

It is still strange to me that no one learned from the Pujols mistake of a long-term signing and now 13 years is common. But Arte and his insistence to sign Rendon to 7 years did it not once but twice. Signing players into their forties is just remarkedly stupid. Signing a big man like Judge to a 9-year deal at the age of 31 is not real bright either imho as when in history have non pitching big men lasted into their forties. I am inclined to agree with you that the numbers are insane.

Angelstan
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1 year ago

True. But it is the agents that demand these deals — and somehow the market responds. The mantra for years has been big deals can only be made via contracts no one smart would do. The system is broken.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Verlander and Max seem to be outliers. Maybe Arte making the choices on who to sign is the problem?

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

But Pujols was way older than Judge when he signed his 10 year deal.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

in a true mystery along with his corked bats and steroid use, but the 8 Ball knows. 👻 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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The problem with this gripe I keep seeing is that it’s not that “no one learned”. Teams have learned. Hell, look at us this off season. Teams that have learned get bitched about by their own fans constantly because they “NEEED” a top 4 shortstop or else must win season no win. What you really want is “EVERYONE” to learn so that nobody ever offers an FA more than six years again.

That’s not going to happen. CtPG guy can wish and demand that good players make free agency at age 27 and sign five year 200M contracts but it’s never gonna happen because that’s not how real life baseball is working.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

Good morning to all, and the anticipation for Christmas Eve evening and Christmas morning still is an exciting feeling even at my age. Have a great fun filled day today.