LA Angels Wednesday news Crash: Perry did something!

Good morning Angels fans, how are you today? Have some links anyway.

Angels News

Here we go again. Right after we say we will start our “If I were Perry” series for 2022, Perry does something. Welcome to the Angels, Tyler Anderson, hope you don’t listen to the pitching coach.

Because he had a Qualifying offer, the Angels will lose their second round pick and the Dodgers will gain a 4th.

It is the first multi year deal for a free agent SP for the Angels since 2012. Remember Joe Blanton?

This does mean some 40 man roster shuffling, however. Ingram and Soriano are now on the 40 man roster while Toussaint, Zastryzny, and Walters have been DFA-ed.

Angel Stadium will be reevaluated again. Hope the new owner will keep the team in Anaheim.

Around Baseball

Rizzo will stay a Yankee. Wasn’t he bad for them?

Qualifying offers are set in stone now. All rejected except Perez and Joc. So that means Judge, Trea Turner, Bogaerts, deGrom, Swanson, Rodon, Nimmo, Contreras, Bassitt, Eovaldi, and Tyler Anderson will all cost a draft pick to sign. Of course, that is if they do not stay with their own team anyway, like Rizzo.

Managers of the year were announced today. Terry Francona won in the AL.

Pretty impressive given the roster.

And in the NL, it is Buck, his 4th team he has won with and first as an NL manager.

So THAT is what he was gonna do now…

It is DFA day and a lot of interesting players are now Free Agents. Who do you like?

Rockies and Cleveland swap prospects. That is rare.

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes!

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Jeff Joiner
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19 days ago

Looks like no non te see news. I think yesterday’s deadline to set 40 man rosters made today’s non tender deadline meaningless.

Cowboy26
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19 days ago
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Last edited 19 days ago by Cowboy26
Jeff Joiner
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19 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

That explains it.

For some reason I had it in my head it was today. Pretty bad considering I linked the schedule a couple weeks ago.

Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

So you’re telling me there’s still a chance ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCFB2akLh4s

Eric_in_Portland
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19 days ago

Shohei 4th in the Cy Young voting. He’ll be 2nd in the MVP vote but that’s still pretty cool

Cowboy26
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19 days ago

But this is also cool. No other play did this: https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1593043206803181568

Last edited 19 days ago by Cowboy26
matthiasstephan
Super Member
19 days ago

It is ridiculous that someone who finishes 4th in the CY and is a finalist (top 10 minimum) for the Hank Aaron isn’t the MVP.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
18 days ago

Definitely.. crazy world thinks that 25 HR’s are more in important than 4th best pitcher.

WallyChuckChili
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19 days ago

Might be the best thing to happen to the Angels all offseason. Might…

https://www.si.com/mlb/angels/.amp/news/angels-news-la-hires-new-strength-and-conditioning-coach

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Man. Jeff Joyner screwed with my emotions. Now I keep wondering “Did we get Wendle or Farmer yet?” I check. Nope.

I think both could have strong bounce backs and I want that to be for us. What do we have, like 30M left as far as hitting our IIWPTP payroll limit? Either would be great for that and then I’d overspend to try to get a guy who can platoon at 1B and play OF a little and feel pretty good.

Why isn’t this all done yet Perry!?! Gosh!

Jeff Joiner
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19 days ago

More like $25 million left. We had $38 million before Anderson.

FungoAle
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19 days ago

Mariners trade for a legit OF, Hernandez and we’re hoping to sign Wendle. Angel baseball, catch the fever.

Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Legit would not be a a word I would use to describe him. The Law would agree with me:

Hernández has found his level as an average everyday corner outfielder, providing power and hard contact, walking once a week, and playing below-average defense in right even with a strong arm. Hernández’s breakout season in 2021 produced over 4 WAR, but he slid back to 2.8 rWAR/2.4 fWAR last year, which looks much more sustainable given his low OBPs and questionable defense.

I would much rather prefer Taylor Ward. Even with similar questionable defense concerns, Blakes’s over 2 years younger, had a higher OPS last year (.833 vs .807) and will probably make about 1/5 of the salary next season ($3.25M vs $15.0M). than Hernandez. This looks like a desperation move by Jedi trying to generate more offense.

BTW before you wine on about Wendle go check out his defensive numbers and compare him to someone like , I dont know, J. P. Crawford. Wendle plays a much much higher quality of defense with a slightly better bat. I’d take that any day of the week.

Mia
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Mia
19 days ago

Arte should just sign Judge, Correa, and Verlander and let the new guy worry about paying them and the tax.

What could go wrong?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mia

And watch, the friggin Astros still beat us and the Yankees and the Doyers….

Mia
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Mia
19 days ago

April will be a great month and then they’ll all be out for the season by May.

Mikeal1st
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18 days ago
Reply to  Mia

That would win the off season.

Cowboy26
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19 days ago

Here’s a glimpse into PTP’s ( and Alex’s) mindset for the signing.

https://twitter.com/TaylorBlakeWard/status/1593005364077035521

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

So lame. So basically Anderson is a big chicken.

2pints
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19 days ago

he only did that because he was on a one year deal…for the fifth time in a row.

Angelz4ever
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19 days ago

Okay, a story posted just 40 minutes ago claims serious Senga/Halo discussions happening.

Then again, I wasted all night 10/31 waiting for the Great Pumpkin too….

Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Source?

Marcotor
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19 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Maybe this one, timeline adds up: Angels News: LA Showing Interest in Star Japanese Pitcher – Los Angeles Angels (si.com)

Executive summary: Japanese interested in Angel team purchase. Ohtani. Add Japanese pitcher. Smooth sale.

Last edited 19 days ago by Marcotor
Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  Marcotor

OMG OMG OMG We checked in again!

YOUknowulovetheIE
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18 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Speaking of pumpkins, smashing pumpkins came out with a new album and it sucks.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

No! Move needle!

FungoAle
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19 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yes! Let’s pin our hopes on these guys. Sadly, Angels ran Rodriguez into the ground.

Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Yes The evil Arte should never have expected a mere 22 year old to pitch an outlandish 50 total innings in the 2022 season.

As a starter 8 starts 28-1/3 innings
As a Reliever 14 games 21-2/3

I’m surprised poor CRods arm didn’t just falloff right off.

FungoAle
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19 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

’22, what? The guy missed all of last year. Missed 2-years of baseball, coming into 2021 had a good spring, makes club and Joseph pitched him often in relief, multiple innings. Then the whiz bang GM makes him start some games and the guy goes out for another year. Shit-show.

Canning, he was feeble coming out of UCLA.

Last edited 19 days ago by FungoAle
Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Oh my God We actually made CRod pitch .How cruel and inhumane. WTF are pitchers for then?

Under your scenario we should release him now before he actually can deeply offend us all again with his glass body.

Its obviously time for both of these guys to step up but as depth pieces who wouldn’t want them on their roster if they can finally get on track? The cost is damn near league minimum. And their stuff ain’t bad either

matthiasstephan
Super Member
19 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I don’t see anyone pinning their hopes on Canning – we just signed additional pitching and are ‘in’ on Senga. Canning would be at best bonus depth (or trade fodder).

Angelz4ever
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19 days ago

Anderson signed w/the halos instead of the Dodgers for one simple reason.

Why play for a team that will go deep into the play-offs, but embarrassingly not win the world series when you can just play for a team that is out of the post-season before the all-star break?

(Sorry I don’t really believe that, but it is funny to just me and will fan the flames on this thread)

DowningDude
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19 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Anderson has plans on October 7 2023 and signing with the Halos gives him the best shot to be able to attend to those off-season plans. Prolly a boss fishing trip with Mike and Beckham…

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Angelz4ever

I think Shoheis mom told him to sign here.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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OK. Will Venable has been hired as the Rangers….. Associate Manager.

Eat a bag of dicks modern baseball and your bullshit new school job titles.

Angelz4ever
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19 days ago

Everyone gets a trophy.

steelgolf
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19 days ago

Assistant TO the field manager.

DowningDude
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19 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Like that dude in Fast Times … “you’re the assistant to the assistant manager at the movie theater

Twebur
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19 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I hear Damone was an all city SS for the high school team.

BannedInLA
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19 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

“It’s the attitude, Ratner. I don’t care wether she cums, stays, lays or prays”

Angelz4ever
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19 days ago

Well, the Secretary of State has a secretary, right?

Jim Atkins
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19 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Pretty sure this is under the jurisdiction of the Department of Redundancy Department.

2pints
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19 days ago

Looking at this signing in the context of the team being for sale, I’m a bit surprised they would choose now as the time to break their ten year streak of not signing any FA SP to a multiyear commitment.

Angelz4ever
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19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

Maybe Arte was faking us all out…..

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Raise your hand if you think Anderson will repeat his 2022 stats? No? OK, so we’ve got that covered, probably don’t need to be told that another 20 times.

Is Anderson getting paid like anyone expects him to repeat 2022? Nope. So it looks like the GM is in our boat. Does Anderson need to repeat his 2022 stats to be valuable? No.

is a 1.26 lifetime WHIP good? Yes. Why complain about it then? Don’t know.

Did Tyler Anderson’s ERA+ bomb in 2019, the year he needed TJS? Yes. Can I figure out why? Yes. He actually hurt the arm in 2018, the year he also started to “suck” with his 1.27 WHIP. He also, surprise surprise, wasn’t great right after TJS.

Is Anderson a shiny fabulous name that has won 200 Cy Youngs and makes me feel taller when i tell people we signed him while showing Arte’s commitment to championshit and wooing Ohtani? No. That doesn’t mean the team didn’t get better.

Did Anderson pitch a lot at Coors field? Yes. Is he there now? No.

Anderson’s big jump in effectiveness is from his change up. Are change ups easy on the arm? Yes. Is that a good thing? Yes. Is he likely to forget how to throw said change up next season? I have no reason to believe he will forget how to throw a pitch he used for 180 innings last year.

Much like Loup last year NO ONE IS EXPECTING his platform season again, nor is anyone paying him for his platform year.

What I do see is that the FO seems to have a stew boiling.

It’s actually a stew I advocated for so I can’t grind on them for trying it, even if it fails. They are getting heavily into starters that aren’t “Max Effort 98MPH fastball with insane biting slider” guys (other than Ohtani). They are going for guys who limit walks and throw strikes to get people out, who may also be able to pitch past the 4th inning. Huzzah.

Then they can follow that up with 1-2 inning arms that do throw hard and have sick breaking stuff and UCLs that are about to snap like Quijada, C Rod, Torres, Murphy, Ingram, Joyce for a huge velo off set, plus weirdos like Loup and Herget who throw very odd pitches in their mix. It’s gonna require a lot of adjustment from hitters on the other team.

It’s a plan. A plan that I can actually see instead of just “SIGN NAME MY BRAIN KNOWS MAKE HAPPY”. I like that.

steelgolf
Super Member
19 days ago

I like the signing and think he improves the starting rotation. I don’t see him turning into a pumpkin next season.

DowningDude
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19 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

The burial grounds would like a word with you

Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Yes TrAdition dictates : if crazy shit can possibly happen , Crazy shit WILL happen

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  steelgolf

He’s probably gonna be vanilla fine. 110 ERA+ and 1.28-30 WHIP. OK with me. I actually expect Sandoval and maybe Detmers to be better if all goes well.

Cowboy26
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19 days ago

Wow Gitch, I’m actually starting to like you.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

You shall be mine…..

Fansince1971
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19 days ago

We disagree and that is okay. What kind of sucks is how you automatically kind of go below the belt with anyone who disagrees with you.

To address what feels to me to be snark, I do not want a big splashy free agent whose name my brain knows. I do not want guys with Cy Youngs in the past who are signed based on past accomplishments. I dislike that strategy immensely and have stated it over and over again on this site. Big, splashy free agent signings are expensive and hurt the team in the long term unless they somehow over-perform.

My belief is that Anderson is not a good signing because he is (1) past his prime and (2) has only one good season under his belt. That is not someone I would not be committing 3 years to – even at “only” $13 million. He is a risk and I would rather the Angels have the second round draft pick than taking a chance on a guy whose upside is probably a relatively effective #3 starter and downside is an ineffective pitcher who you have to pay for 3 years.

I do not like signing guys who are just off career years. That has too much risk for a team that cannot afford risk. Teams like the Dodgers and Astros are deep enough to take such risks. The Angels are not in my opinion.

Additionally, I do not agree regarding the “stew”. I dont see how this move improves the team any more than Lorenzen improved the team – and we saw the results of that last year. I do not see how signing him is indicative of a “plan”. It seems like the same ole type of signing – high risk relatively low cost with some potential upside. If all the stars align, it works out. But that does not seem to happen in Anaheim.

My focus is all about building the Organization and the Farm. I do not think this signing advances either goal.

So – I hope in the future you can differentiate constructive disagreement from “SIGN NAME MY BRAIN KNOWS MAKE HAPPY” because I assure you that is not where I am coming from.

Last edited 19 days ago by Fansince1971
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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We disagree and that is okay. What kind of sucks is how you automatically kind of go below the belt with anyone who disagrees with you.

So – I hope in the future you can differentiate constructive disagreement from “SIGN NAME MY BRAIN KNOWS MAKE HAPPY” because I assure you that is not where I am coming from.”

You are replying to a comment… not a reply to what ever you said somewhere on this thread. I feel assured, I guess? I was assured already? I am self-assured?

We weren’t in discussion, so where you’re coming from just isn’t a factor here. If I was out to poo poo your specific thoughts I would have found them, then replied to them. But hey, feel free to have thoughts that are not my thoughts… just don’t go all Jack Frost on me.

Fansince1971
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19 days ago

I get it but it really seemed you were going after the folks who were not feeling great about the signing which includes me for the reasons I stated in detail in this thread. I think I’m pretty open minded and (hopefully) clear as to the basis for my opinions. If you disagree with me, I respect that. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we disagree.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Really? Read the comment again. I don’t mention anyone, nor do I even say “people are saying” or anything like it. Much less say anything negative about the people who I do not bring up.

Because I am massively intelligent I was pretty sure I knew what most of the issues that could be had with Anderson were, I thought about them, I pooped out said thoughts. That’s it. I basically said “these are what one could take issue with” and then asked if they really are big problems. I haven’t even made any strong case for Anderson being some kind of awesome signing, much less that any Anderson deniers should be silenced.

Now we both know that I know that most people are stupid. We also both know that I’m not the least bit uncomfortable responding to a comment someone wrote that is stupid and telling them so. So you can rest assured, if I ever intend to tell you you’re stupid you’re not going to have to work this hard to figure out I mean stupid and I mean you.

Fansince1971
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19 days ago

Ha! So let me get this straight- unless you comment on my specific post, it’s not about me or anything I’ve written and my butt doesn’t have to hurt?

2pints
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18 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

It seems to me that gitch over generalizes and puts into one voice all of the dumb things the fan community may say so he can argue against that single entity. As someone that comments here quite often, that should be more than obvious to you by now.

Fansince1971
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18 days ago
Reply to  2pints

Except maybe they aren’t so dumb sometimes. It’s just contrary opinions.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Now you’re being stupid.

See how that works?

Mikeal1st
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18 days ago

Name calling – not intelligent.
See how that works?

2002heaven
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18 days ago

Yws mazzively intelijent
LOL!!!!! 😆  hadd tew puht in bohldd letterz

Mikeal1st
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18 days ago

SMH – Name calling is not massively intelligent.
Your analysis is great, name calling makes you look simple.

Mikeal1st
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18 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I agree, great comments but below the belt too much.
And before you call me Hall Monitor again…

Last edited 18 days ago by Mikeal1st
Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
19 days ago

It’s been 24 hours since Perry’s last move. WTH is he doing!?

FungoAle
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19 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Eating a calzone, come on! Let him eat in peace.

Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
19 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Calzones are Armenian food? Who knew?

Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Hey when your Grandpa was BFF’s with Tommy Lasorda and your Dad is BFF’s with Bobby Valentine you better love calzone.

Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
19 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Noone can argue that wisdom.

FungoAle
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19 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

something i forcing that waistline to expand, po’boy? I think he tends to enjoy himself at the Big A.

BannedInLA
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19 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Damn, you beat me to it.

I was going to make some joke about a restaurant in Glendale (aka Little Armenia).

Mikeal1st
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18 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

 😅 

2pints
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19 days ago

Does anyone else sometimes hit the Z key on their keyboard trying to jump to the next new comment? Always loved that feature at HH and forget it doesn’t work here.

clover_black
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19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

speaking of HH..why is it still up at SBN?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  clover_black

Because sadness needs a home and Tootie Too needs a tight, dark humid place to jump out of.

2pints
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19 days ago

At this point HH is just an archive of stupid stuff posted by Halowood we can all go back and read from time to time to escape our current hellscape.

Jeff Joiner
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19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

Halowood! Ha ha!

Mikeal1st
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18 days ago
Reply to  2pints

Too bad, I really loved the guy who wrote for them. I think his name began with an S(?). Would love to know what happened to him.

2002heaven
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19 days ago

comment image
May have to give Eppler a pass on Jo Adell
It turns out the 2017 MLB Draft may have been the worst entire draft in recent history 😖  💩  Only Drew Rasmussen turned into somebody

Last edited 19 days ago by 2002heaven
Halos_in_DE
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19 days ago
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2002heaven
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19 days ago
Reply to  Halos_in_DE

Wrong about what?
He’s the only good player of note thus far from the 2017 MLB Draft.
Pay attention better, 2017 Draft has been awful thus far not just for us but across the board.

DowningDude
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19 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

HI!

Despite missing the 2018 season, Rasmussen was still drafted by the Milwaukee Brewers in the sixth round of the 2018 Major League Baseball draft 

BYE! Emoji emoji

2002heaven
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18 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

So that means then NOHBUDDY IS ANY GOOD FRUMM DAH 2017 DRAFT…….NISE JOB UV MAKING MYE POINTT EVEN BETTUH!!!
NEXT 80%ER!!!! 😆  😜 
Trying to nitpick to poke holes USZALLY DUZNT WERK WHICH IZ WHUT THIS KAWMENT WAZ ALL ABAWT! ALL I SAID WUZ THAT IT WASNT AS GOOD AS UTHERS LIKE THE 2016 DRAFT WHICH WAS AWHSUM (Xcept for us…LOL!!).
 💪  💪  💪  💪 

Last edited 18 days ago by 2002heaven
cookmeister
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19 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

kind of hard to judge a draft after only 5 years (especially a draft that has high school players)
Some solid names in there though, no superstars (yet) but still: Baz, Pratto, Ramos, Hall, Houck, Lange, Campusano, Sheets, Melendez, Varsho, Karinchak, Whitlock… just to name a few

2002heaven
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18 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

a lot of busts however
Kyle Wright had a breakout season and is the best thus far.
Royce Lewis, Hunter Greene who’s always a physical wreck, Alex Faedo our own guy Jo and Keston Hiura who fell off a cliff the past few seasons.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Joc Pederson took the QO and will not become an Angel but will instead serve as an incredibly expensive platoon OF for the Giants. Has anyone checked The Joker’s mom’s basement to make sure he’s OK?

You know what makes me happy? Sure, the manager of the year award was won by two old men who deserve it, but both of them are guys I think are “perfect” in that they are grizzled and stuff BUT they both seem to get along well with 25 year old Dominicans and 30 year old data analysts and deploy both really well to achieve their goals.

I also like that at least 40% of those names are guys 90% of fans had never heard of until recently instead of who ever this era’s Jeff Torborg just getting job after job.

toad2065
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19 days ago

By this era’s Jeff Torborg, I assume you mean Buck Showalter who totally embarrassed himself on national tv in the playoffs by pulling a Billy Martin-worthy move on Joe Musgrove! For some reason, the national media types love them some Buck. The guy was handed the best team money could buy, limped into the playoffs as a wildcard and somehow earns Manager of the Year. At least the AL voters got it right!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  toad2065

Dude, Buck Showalter is different because he’s the Kenny Lofton of managers. When he shows up teams start to win. He’s also different because, unlike Joe “Seething Bitch” Maddon he managed to go from “hardnosed instinct magic” manager to a guy who knows how to mix what a laptop tells him into his decisions at an advanced age. Like Dusty Baker. That’s pretty cool.

Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  toad2065

I think he was referring to Jeff Torborg the backup catcher who caught Nolan Ryan’s first no-hitter.

Marcotor
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19 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

And Koufax’s perfecto

Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  Marcotor

2 & 2 to Harvey Kuenn..

FungoAle
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19 days ago

He’ll be picking up ABs from the DH route this year. 20-30 bombs on a 1-year $19M is not too bad when you look at the other FA options. As a Giants fan, not crazy about it but it is one year.

Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
19 days ago

All we need to do now is sign Kodai Senga, Trea Turner and extend Shohei. No challenges there that I can see.

Fansince1971
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19 days ago

In my opinion the Tyler Anderson signing I was ill advised. He had a career year last year on a really good team. He is more likely to revert to his prior self, particularly on a bad baseball team with poor coaching like the Angels.

3 years and $39 million gives away all the money saved by trading away the Duracell contract. And arguably for a worse player.

Then there is the loss of a 2nd round draft pick!

Another highly questionable signing which goes to show nothing ever changes around these parts.

Last edited 19 days ago by Fansince1971
Fansince1971
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19 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’ll add that I presume he didn’t accept the QO because he knew this was his best chance to get a multi-year deal (coming off a career season). And the Angels were the suckers.

Last edited 19 days ago by Fansince1971
2pints
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19 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Dodgers were ready to give him almost $20M for one season. I think he could’ve gotten a bit more money if he’d waited, but like I said yesterday, I think he wanted to stay in SoCal and the Halos offered the best contract to keep him in the area.

Jeff Joiner
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19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

Agreed. The Dodgers are a well run team and they were willing to pay nearly $20 million for one year.

We got him three times longer at double the price. Seems like the math is pretty good there.

I fully expect him to regress from last year but at $13 million all he needs to provide is about 1.5 WAR for the contract to be justified. For perspective, Suarez put up 1.6 WAR per BB-ref in only 109 innings.

Angelz4ever
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19 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yeah….what Jeff said….

FungoAle
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19 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’m not ready to establish a ratio of WAR/AAV but as a 73-89 team, need to be shooting for players with a higher WAR than 1.5. The $13M is perfectly fine but this guy will not move the needle. Draft pick compensation to the Dodgers sucks.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  FungoAle

Ahhhh. Man, I have been waiting what feels like forever for the first “move the needle” of the Anderson era.

Beauty.

2pints
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19 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

since the Dodgers were over the luxury tax they will receive a 5th round pick from Anderson leaving. that should help take the sting out a bit I hope

Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

As much as I hate the Doyers, its not what they are going to receive than what we are giving up.

FungoAle
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19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

Oh, was not aware of that. Yeah, does help.

Fansince1971
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19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

I think he knew the likelihood of regression and took the multi year deal at the peak of his leverage

2pints
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19 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I think he could’ve done a bit better by waiting for teams to get desperate after other starters signed. But I’m just guessing, we’ll never know.

Angelz4ever
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19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

Isn’t that our time-honored path to futility every offseason?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Angelz4ever

Yes, that’s why, now that we aren’t doing that, we need to complain about it so we can maintain our CtPG ultimate bitch fanbase JuJu that can manage to take a team as hot as the early team last year and fist them into a 14 game losing streak and months of looking like broken men there after.

Hell, we jinx f***ed em so bad Jared Walsh’s heart stopped working so he could get away from us for a while.

Tyler Anderson’s the new target folks. Make sure you wish him the worst.

BannedInLA
Member
19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

To your point, LA is a rapidly degrading shithole and living in South OC is essentially paradise.

I say this as an Angeleno.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  2pints

don’t believe that at all
Who was the “Deep Throat” source who disclosed that? Can’t believe for a second that the Dodgers would be that stupid to give Tyler Anderson $20M even on a one yr deal. They have Andrew Friedman, not our front office foolish jester team who signed Thor, RenDone, Albert, Matt Harvey, Cozart, and J-Up. FS71 is right evin though he hates me!!!

2pints
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

The Dodgers offered Anderson a QO, which amounted to a one year $19.65M contract. Maybe if you weren’t so busy changing boldness in your comments you would’ve heard about it.

Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
19 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I don’t begrudge your skepticism; God knows the Halos have earned that from the faithful fanbase.

Compared to the last several FA pitcher signings that were considered as “Fliers” I think this one is reasonable with only mid-level risk. We didn’t sign/pay him to be our Ace, but a solid #3/4 guy. I think this was shrewd signing.

Fansince1971
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19 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

So here is what I see. In 7 years in the League he has a career WHIP of 1.245, ERA+ is 109 (about league average) and an ERA of 4.16. And that includes his incredible 2022 which happened to be a season just before free agency (we know that reality). In 7 seasons he has generated 12 WAR and that includes his nearly 4.5 in 2022. So, his history tells us that he can be expected to generate approximately 1 WAR per season. And all of that was age 26-32, in other words in his prime.

From 2016-2018, he was league average.

From 2019-2021, he was below League average with a stunningly bad ERA+ of 44 in 2019, 98 in 2020 and 93 in 2021.

Then he had his 163 ERA+ season last year where he was dominant.

He will be 33 this season and 36 at the end of the contract. That is a bit long in the tooth.

Jeff – I disagree that 1 year and $19 million is not a better contract for the team than 3 years and $39 million. Only being committed for 1 year is WAY better than having to pay this guy for 3 years and an extra $20 million.

From the player perspective, he did what all players dream of. He had his career season just before free agency. At his age and history, a 3 year commitment at nearly $40 million is WAY more valuable than a 1 year deal given the risk of serious regression. This was a great deal for Tyler who, if he had pitched as he did in his 6 prior seasons, might have gotten a 3 year $15 million type deal.

I believe this is a typical Angel signing where they hope the player will provide value based on 1 year of performance while ignoring the reality of the prior seasons.

If he regresses to how he pitched in 2018-2021, this will be another awful signing.

2pints
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19 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

wasn’t he a free agent before last season too? I could be wrong

Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

He was and we almost signed him right after the lockout before the Doyers swooped in. I think Perry then pivoted and signed Tepera & Bradley

2pints
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19 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

My point was mainly responding to the assertion that Anderson was only good last season because he was an impending FA. Seems like that was his situation the season prior as well, so maybe we shouldn’t be applying last season’s success to him being on a one year deal.

Fansince1971
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19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

I can buy that logic, but he is certainly parlaying his one year of success into a 3 year commitment after a series of 4 straight one year contracts. He knows he had his best possible year last season and that is why 3/39 was better to him than 1/19. He could easily regress to league average and below which would mean a big pay reduction for 2024 had he signed another 1 year deal.

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2002heaven
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18 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

See Anthony DeSclafani 12 months ago with the Giants
Coming off his 2021 success story and the Giants rolled the dice and kept him over Kevin Gausman who went to Toronto.

FungoAle
Super Member
19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

He was good last year because of the team talen and pitching staff he was dropped into. They guy has some talent but when in inserted into a rotation of Urisas, Beuhler, Kershaw and Gonsolin…seems to rub off. Andrew Heaney too.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  FungoAle

He was good because he learned a new change up.

Cowboy26
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19 days ago

Not true it was all due to the blue latrine magic dust.

FungoAle
Super Member
19 days ago

That change up is gonna be hit hard to Adell and Ward. LOL. He’ll regress.

Fansince1971
Legend
19 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yes – Dodgers signed him to a 1 year deal for $8 million.

He has had a series of 1 year deals

$2.625 million in 2019
$1.775 million in 2020
$2.50 million in 2021
$8 million in 2022

There is no doubt in my mind he was tired of the uncertainty of signing one year deals and that is why he signed the 3 year with the Angels as opposed to accepting the QO.

But this also puts his career in perspective and adds some further insight into why the 3/39 is a big commitment to a player for whom other teams were only willing to provide 1 year deals.

Its a risk and arguably a sizable risk. I can accept that its a risk that could arguably be worth taking and might work out. But how often has that happened with the Angels?

2002heaven
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Perry is a awful GM
Another awful hire since post Bill Stoneman……..AND WE ALL KNOW WHO CALLS THE SHOTS ON THOSE…..DON’T WE!!!!
have to put it that way to make it past the moderators.
He should go back to Dallas and start a commercial landscaping business with Indeed or Upwork. His 2021 MLB Draft was absurd. I want him gone already……

Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Seriously? After watching Harvey, Quintana, Bundy, Teheran or Cahill these last few years I’d take the 2020- 2021 version of Tyler Anderson in a heart beat.

Fansince1971
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19 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Thats a very low bar.

The Dodgers have an organization that gets the most out of their pitchers. The same cannot be said for the Angels.

2pints
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19 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

maybe grabbing a guy coming straight from the Dodgers experience will help? Less time to forget the good coaching he had.

Fansince1971
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19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

Maybe. In the last 5+ years, I have not seen a player come to the Angels and not substantially regress. Maybe Tyler will be an exception. I hope so but dont count on it.

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Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Then maybe you need to open your eyes then . Martin Maldonado, Andrelton Simmons, Blake Parker, Hansel Robles, Brian Goodwin, Tommy La Stella,Max Stassi, Raisel Iglesias Dylan Bundy, Alex Cobb, Noah Syndergard & Michael Lorenzen all have a good to great seasons for us when they were first acquired.

The problem isn’t that all players regress when they sign with the Angels, the problem is that there are too many of them that do.

FungoAle
Super Member
19 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Lorenzen and Syndergaard underperformed to their salary.

Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I do not think that is true for Lorenzen but you are right about Thor.

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
19 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

You completely ignore the Coors Field effect from his early years and the fact that his potential career year has an actual explanation – pitching tweaks by the Dodgers. Also, the fact the Dodgers gave him a QO suggests the Dodgers believe the improvements from the tweaks are repeatable. Even with some regression, this looks like a decent signing to kick off the off-season.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  AnAngelsFan

He’s gonna regress some. He’s getting paid like a guy who will regress to a #3 starter. Cool.

Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Actually his numbers at Coors are not that bad. You should be more concerned about his career numbers at the big A .They are pretty horrendous but then again before last year our batters owned him.

FungoAle
Super Member
19 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’ll already did my bitching yesterday but agree with everything here.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Oh. Mah. Gawd! THE SECOND ROUND PICK! And for (insert name of realistic FA signing here)! This team is doomed!

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2GA2Join
Trusted Member
19 days ago

Well, draft picks are how we build a homegrown team up, unless you want to depend entirely on international signings.
Everyone around here is always talking about how we need to develop our own homegrown players and not think we can just field a team of free agents.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2GA2Join

I always talk about how we need to grow our farm. And I also don’t feel the need to shit myself after giving up a 2 round pick (ooo ooo and 500K) to sign an MLB starter. We have other draft picks. We also have our 1st round pick. We will either do a good or a bad job in the draft and that will determine if the farm gets built. That round 2 pick doesn’t change shit.

h27kim
Trusted Member
19 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

He won’t be a difference maker. Really more of a depth move with a significant gamble mixed in, I think.

I think it’s highly likely that Anderson will not put up the eye popping numbers. There is a good danger that he will revert to the fairly marginal player that he was before 2022. But, viewed by itself, we are signing a guy with a lot of potential upside for, at most, middle of rotation money and that does not seem all that bad.

Is there a bigger plan? Who knows. If there are more signings, we’ll see. But there is not much to be said about this for now other than it looks OK, but it won’t change things a great deal.

BannedInLA
Member
19 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I don’t view this as a 39mil signing, but rather a 13mil signing since we are evaluating roster/budget on a year-to-year basis.

He adds solid, inning eater depth for a 6 man rotation that probably requires 8-9 viable options to get thru a typical season.

This signing should not preclude the addition of solid additions elsewhere IMO.

2002heaven
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19 days ago

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Yep, 19th rd players taken in the 2016 MLB draft (We could’ve had Shane Bieber and Tony Gonsolin both that year). A THROW IN………YET AGAIN….. 💩  😡  😢 

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2pints
Trusted Member
19 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I remember back in 2016 after the draft you said loud and clear that we really missed out by not drafting this guy….

2002heaven
Trusted Member
19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

That’s Tucker Davidson. Who already sucks with US!!!
This was a total salary dump to unload Raisel Iglesias
Good Gawd get this guy (Perry) the hell out of our front office PLZ!!!
 😡  😠 

Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
19 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I’m sensing some anger in the room….

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Angelz4ever

I know. Why don’t people just love this Tootie Too guy?

2pints
Trusted Member
19 days ago

seriously, he’s been right about everything that was a question 5 years ago. He’s a genius

Cowboy26
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19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

Im not so sure hes even been right about that.

2pints
Trusted Member
19 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

well, he’s as right as one can be when they post a picture of a player and mention the year and round he was drafted. He gets those details right…I think.

red floyd
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18 days ago

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Jeff Joiner
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19 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

The salary dump was certainly at Arte’s request. Perry was sent out there with no leverage.

Had Arte been willing to eat a little of Thor’s or Iggy’s contracts Perry would have gotten actual talent back.

No GM would have gotten much more back out of pure salary dumps. We need Arte out of the front office.

Cowboy26
Legend
19 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

And we should also stop signing free agents to long term deals only to salary dump them 4 months later.

red floyd
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Wasn’t Thor a 1 year deal?

2pints
Trusted Member
19 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

well let my confusion be yet another sign to you that posting a picture of a random player with absolutely no info on who he is is stupid and you should stop doing it

2002heaven
Trusted Member
19 days ago
Reply to  2pints

We’ll the fact that you don’t know who he is underscores my point.
IF HE WAS ANY GOOD YOU’D KNOW WHO HE IS WITHOUT HIS NAME UNDER HIS PICTURE!!!

Cowboy26
Legend
19 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

So that means you aren’t any good.

Got it.

2pints
Trusted Member
19 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

There are literally dozens of good MLB players I wouldn’t be able to identify in a lineup if you paid me.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

The Joker…. edging all day everyday. Forcing Angels fans to look at him in the mirror and realize he’s stupid.

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GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
19 days ago

Last Year didn’t Perry sign Thor early also? I don’t know but looks like a pattern here anyway.

Hey 😃 Good morning, all. OK, I slept on this Anderson deal. Working on first cup of Joe as I slept in on a 15-degree morning. Problem was before coffee had to go out and pick up trash can and garbage from a bear giving me trouble. Oh well, it happens.

Now back to this Anderson signing. I still don’t get it. Hope it works out though. But if this was the beginning of a busy Winter then good. If this was a move to either show the team and Ohtani in particular that the team is serious about winning, then what a joke.

Quandary, do the Halos stick with what we have at SS or make a move for a big name?

I believe we need to make a deal for a quality outfielder along with a RH hitting 1B. There is a deal on the Free Agent Market for a Catcher that did not play for the Cubs.

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