LA Angels Monday News Crash: Donnie Baseball

Don Mattingly will be out of a job when the season ends.

The Pirates claimed Miguel Andujar off waivers from the Yankees. Clayton Kershaw seems to be thinking about playing in 2023 notwithstanding the retirement rumors. Jake Lamb cleared waivers and elected free agency.

The Rays will soon activate Tyler Glasnow from the injured list. Freddy Peralta is back from the 15 day injured list. The Rays outrighted Dusten Knight after he cleared waivers.

The fan who has Albert Pujols 700th home run ball is keeping it.

A couple of guys got themselves ejected yesterday during the national anthem. That may be a new record.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Mia
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Mia
2 months ago

Did Pujols ever win player of the week when he was with us?

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Yes but only by the AARP

RexFregosi
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2 months ago
Reply to  Mia

AL Player of Month June 2014
One AL Player of the Week in 2012

that’s it – this list is so sad. He has over 50 MLB Awards – just two from the AL

https://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/awards.php?p=pujolal01

Mia
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Mia
2 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

240 million sure doesn’t buy much these days.

RexFregosi
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2 months ago
Reply to  Mia

It bought a bunch of GIDPs – a helluva deal on that!

steelgolf
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2 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

He leads in the 2 for 1 Specials!!!!

Mia
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Mia
2 months ago
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2002heaven
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2 months ago

Livan Soto……….yet another flash in the pan flavor of the week.
Another gutty little under talented underdog guy that this organization cranks out because of it’s QUANTITY OVER QUALITY modus operandi (Andrew Wantz over Tony Gonsolin and Brandon Woodruff). Even their first and second round picks suck and either wash out or become career utility or middle relievers………
 💩  💩  😖  😢 

Last edited 2 months ago by 2002heaven
Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

“QUANTITY OVER QUALITY modus operandi WTF does that even mean? You realize the amateur draft is restricted to 20 rounds and only to your assigned total pool of slotted bonuses, right? So where does the quantity claim even come from if each team is restricted to the same group of draft picks ?

Last edited 2 months ago by Cowboy26
2002heaven
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2 months ago
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YoocanstihlsiynafterdahfraftlykeJeredWalshanddMikePiazza…….Wonder if that guy still believes this is a playoff team?

Last edited 2 months ago by 2002heaven
Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Oh so the Angels are signing many more UDFAs as other MLB teams? Source??

2002heaven
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2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

They don’t sign any doofus
Where’s your source, Ron Johnson?

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

If they don’t sign any UDFAs doesn’t that pretty much defeat your own argument then Einstein?

Last edited 2 months ago by Cowboy26
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

It sometimes makes me sad reading stupid people try to trade barbs with a normal person. I mean it. It’s depressing. Like when I first read CS Lewis’ The Last Battle as a boy and the big dumb bear dies but he doesn’t understand…. man that bummed me out.

Tootie is Battle Bear. Having to read him “slingin hard truth” and “play the dozens to 13” with so much confidence and gusto is “HoDor hold the door” bleak.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago

Mattingly won’t be coming here. Neither will Girardi. In fact, we’ll see more front office types leave than come over the next few months.

The team is for sale. The new owners will want to install their own front office. That front office will want to install its own management team.

In short, very few people currently employed by the Angels will still be employed here in a year or so. And based on the team’s current record, that is probably justified.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

The real question is, who is even out there, even guys who aren’t contractually available, that we’d really be excited to get? That’s how dated and stale the Maddon move was. How many “doin it alone punk rock field genius” managers are even around now? I mean employed, not around bitching to old man sports writers about nerds etc.

The FO and scouting seems to be where it’s at. The manager can be any guy who can deliver the info to all the various egos in his clubhouse and look good in an ugly sweatshirt from Fanatics doing it.

THIS may actually mean that we see a lot of “system” managers. Guys who come up in a teams FO, go coach and manage some in the minors, and if he does well, graduates to manage those same players at the MLB level.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago

There aren’t many. Donnie Baseball and Joe Girardi are the only two that come to mind.

Both are exactly the type Arte usually covets and would try to lure here. But anybody signing here is doing so with an extremely high likelihood of being fired by the new owners/pobo/gm.

Maybe Arte does pull out a rabbit and signs a guy to a 5 year backloaded deal, leaving the new owner to either pay him or eat the contract.

But really I’d expect Perry and Nevin to be in place next year waiting for the gallows.

2002heaven
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2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I know this might be horrible for you, but I agree!

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Uh nobody cares.

2002heaven
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2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

uhparently yoo dous utherwize yoo woodn’t have commented……. 😆  😜 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

He still doesn’t care.

ihearhowie3.0
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2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

My guess is Montgomery gets promoted, Nevin let go.

h27kim
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2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Not in the near term, but I imagine that the new ownership will likely want to bring in “established baseball talent” (if they are serious baseball people that is, which is hardly guaranteed), ie the names we heard of, at least as far as FO is concerned. I am curious who would actually sign on if that is the case

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  h27kim

Once the new group is in place plenty of people will sign.

Until then people will stay away.

Eric_in_Portland
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2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

if there *is* a sale. I’ll believe it when it happens.

AnAngelsFan
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2 months ago

I’ve shifted firmly into the keep the ball camp, from both an economics and ethical standpoint.

First, the ethics. Baseball is a business because of the fans. It is not a business where baseball player’s individual performances generate tangible value. The value of a baseball player’s skill is entirely dependent on the existence of fans. Thus, from an ethical standpoint, I don’t think the ball rightly belongs to Pujols or Judge, it belongs to the fans. Thus, I argue Pujols or Judge keeping the ball instead of donating it to a museum for the fans is just as unethical as the person in the stands keeping the ball. If we don’t criticize players for keeping the ball, we shouldn’t criticize fans for making the same choice.

Further, a fan is far less likely to catch a home run ball than a player is to hit one. Thus, I argue the ball may have greater sentimental value to a fan, who may only catch one in his lifetime, then to a player who hit 700 in a career or 60+ in a season.

As for economics, Pujols’ ball is probably worth $100,000 while Judge’s 62 would be worth an estimated 2.5 million. (Source). That would be more than a year’s worth of salary for much of the country, and it’s still a nice 50% increase for a family making $200,000.

I ask, what would the players do if they were given the choice between a lower salary and “doing the right thing”. Most of them choose money over fans. Pujols, for example, turned down roughly 9 years / 200 million to stay in St. Louis for a ~20% increase in salary to go to Anaheim. Since Pujols chose money over fans, why should a fan be expected to turn down a potentially much large economic gain for Pujols?

Similary, Judge turned down ~$40 million/year to stay with the Yankees. In doing so, Judge showed a potential 25% – 50% increase in pay is worth more to him than Yankee fans. So, again, why should someone who catches Judge’s potentially historic ball turn down $2.5 million out of one-sided loyalty to Judge?

I might give Jered Weaver or Mike Trout their historic balls, because they showed loyalty to their fans, but that’s the exception, not the rule.

Note, I’m not saying baseball players are bad people for putting money over sentiment when it comes to contract decisions. Certainly the owners put more importance on money than the fans and players all the time. I’m just arguing fans shouldn’t be expected to put sentiment over money when neither the owners nor players do.

GrandpaBaseball
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2 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Percentage numbers off a little, but I get the point. I agree with your outlook on this. Though I was not aware that Judge turned down $0 million per season contract, the Yankees should hold firm. The players are all about the money as are the owners, so as a fan I sometimes think I wish there were a way we could unionize and keep perspective and prices in check.

2GA2Join
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2 months ago

Judge was wise to turn down the $0 million contract.

Yours truly,
Wiseguy

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I get that argument. If Pujols was to put a hundred grand into my kid’s 529 it wouldn’t change a thing for Albert but would really benefit my kid.

That said, I’m fortunate enough to be able to provide for my kid and that HR was Albert’s accomplishment not mine. I’d give Albert the ball. But I’d insist on going to the clubhouse and personally delivering it. I’d also want some pictures and stuff signed by Albert, Goldy, Yadier, and the gang.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’d offer to sell it…. to the pitcher who gave up the HR, or the pitcher he hit the most dingerz off of.

Eric_in_Portland
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2 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I’d give it to the Hall of Fame on condition they kick out Big Pill Poppy

SC_Halo
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2 months ago

Donnie Baseball? or pass?

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

That will take about a week to get over.

Last edited 2 months ago by Cowboy26
GrandpaBaseball
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2 months ago
Reply to  SC_Halo

Pass, I am getting used to what we have, and no manager is going to win without a lot of help and that is not in the future as the club is for sale.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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2 months ago
Reply to  SC_Halo

Hard pass.

rosstrade
Trusted Member
2 months ago

I enjoy watching the success of recent AA call-up, Livan Soto.

He came out of nowhere.

He reminds me of Maicer Izturis, another solid player, a utility infielder, like Soto from Venezuela who I really enjoyed watching when he played for the Halos a few years back.
I hope he can keep building on his recent success…..

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  rosstrade

I knew he was a defensive wiz… didn’t think he’d hit the way he has, even in a small sample. But yah, if he can even manage a .260 BA he’ll be pretty cool.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
2 months ago

Can’t ever go wrong with defense and hitting from the SS position and we may just have struck gold. Even if he is a Izturis, that works out great for us too. It does feel good that we are showing a whole lotta love in our system for the SS position and it does look like we may not have to go after another Braves SS this off season, well at least maybe.

Cowboy26
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2 months ago

Are we convinced that Soto’s defense is that good? In a SSS, his range factors are below league average and hes already at -2 DRS in only 67 innings.

I like the bat potential but if the glove aint all that we’re just reliving the past. Just sayin’

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Yeah, that’ll smooth out. He’s been solid to good at both SS and 2B since he got into our system. His MLB stats need a lot more chances before they suss out.

Cowboy26
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2 months ago

Squid’s at +12 DRS in 900 innings this year so me thinks thats good.(confirmed by my Lylin’ eyes too) I’m a just little jaded with some these so called defensive specialists like Iggy last year where he was a league worst -22 DRS in 992 innings for us.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The glove played by all accounts in AA and was his calling card when getting signed here.

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yeah but Lyle Spencer never endorsed him.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago

Agreed. Definitely a very small sample size but….

He doesn’t look overwhelmed or lost at the plate a la Squid, Mayfield, etc.

There’s enough video from AA that pitchers should have an idea how to pitch to him.

That said, Soto should be ticketed to AAA next year as depth not counted on to be our starting SS.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Oh yeah. Starts in MiLB for sure next year. I’m just surprised he’s hitting at all given that he wasn’t smoking AA pitchers.

Angelstan
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2 months ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Yes. Soto looks like he’s better offensively than Squid and really good defensively also. Hopefully the Angels won’t make odd decisions as to this. You cannot have guys hitting below .200 on the roster.

Marcotor
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2 months ago
Reply to  rosstrade

He can’t be good at all, Eppler signed him (after the Atlanta fiasco). And we all know, Eppler was evil incarnate, driven to ruin the Angels franchise.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Marcotor

Eppler was just a skin suit that Arte put on when he wanted to play GM. Same with PTP. What’s wild is Arte is just a skin suit that Andrew puts on when he wants to play owner instead of just being the wellspring of evil.

So, when you see PTP, what you are really seeing is like a Turduckin of nefarious ego driven baseball decision making and lack of transparency while not caring about winning or trembling with remorse when things are laid squarely at its feet.

But a POBO, with his vastly different skill set than a mere GM, can put a stop to this golem.

Marcotor
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2 months ago

MOAR POBO!!!!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Marcotor

NARR! MOAR PIGEON!

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  rosstrade

without the switch hitting capabilities.

red floyd
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2 months ago

Completely OT. The clue for 1 Across on today’s LA Fishwrap crossword was “Symbol on an Angels baseball cap” (4 letters).

RexFregosi
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2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

B-I-G-A

halofansince1978
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2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

H-A-L-O

red floyd
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2 months ago

Correct answer, according to the puzzle, but the others are fun as hell, too!

Designerguy
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2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

F-A-I-L

Twebur
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2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

S-H-I-T

Last edited 2 months ago by Twebur
SC_Halo
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2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

You guys always deliver!!! LOL!!

MarineLayer
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2 months ago

Boo hoo, Gramps is getting to keep his ball. He still has his $240 million of Arturo’s money in exchange for a whole lot of nothing.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

I feel about Pujols the way I do about people who shit in a windowless public bathroom that opens on a bunch of offices… but to his credit he wasn’t mad about the guy keeping the 700 ball, which is cool. I would want to keep it, at least for a while, and enjoy it. Seemed like Pooh understood that too and didn’t apply the pressure to get the ball himself or “give it to everyone” by turning it over to the MLB.

Designerguy
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2 months ago

Wishing all of our CTPG Jewish friends and their families a happy Rosh Hashanah.

jefeRey14x
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2 months ago
Reply to  Designerguy

L’chaim!

red floyd
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2 months ago
Reply to  Designerguy

Shana Tova to you as well.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  red floyd

GET WRIT IN THE BOOK BABY!

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
2 months ago

Trouty hits another dingle run HR, Angels win puts them farther back in the lotto race. Nothing to see here folks, move along please.

Fansince1971
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2 months ago

Dingle run HRs are usually saved for St Pat’s Day!

MarineLayer
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2 months ago

I’m happy for the win. I don’t think our “brain Trust” could take advantage of a pick anyway, probably just draft another sore-armed relief pitcher.

Marcotor
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2 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

That’s always been my take on the comments here: Tank! Tank! Tank!

Then “the FO couldn’t pick a good player, our FO sucks. If they did pick someone good, he would fail and do better somewhere else, since our development system sucks because (insert current GM name)”.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I’m expecting the new overlords to be managing the draft.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
2 months ago

I like watching Trout have a good day (HR, 2 Doubles). Also, I want him to finish top 5 in the MVP race, and the more he hits in the next 9 days, the more he moves up the WAR board (the SLG, OPS, OPS+ are all top 3 already, if he has enough plate appearances, and he is second in HRs).

(I also think Ohtani is in the Cy conversation, with Cease and Verlander).

Eric_in_Portland
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2 months ago

Trout has 464 plate appearances now and would need 502 to qualify. We have 9 games left. If he plays in all of them (I forget…didn’t Nevin say he would?) then he’d have to get 4 appearances in each plus 2 extras somewhere.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
2 months ago

Adding another W/C team didn’t really do anything to make things more exciting now did it?

2002heaven
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2 months ago

Sure it does!!!
Now we get to see our former GM break the Mariner’s playoff drought.

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

****assuming they don’t cough up a 4 game lead with 10 to play.

steelgolf
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2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

They sure coughed one up yesterday! 😆🤏🤏🤏🤏🤏

Eric_in_Portland
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2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Philadelphia 1964 comes to mind.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
2 months ago

Or Angels 1995

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Pick your poison. Its a choice between Gene Mauch or Gene Mauch’s pitching coach.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
2 months ago

Sosh-Brad-Joe-Phil-Don?

Last edited 2 months ago by GrandpaBaseball
Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
2 months ago

Yes, the CtPG “Jeopardy! Daily Double”

The answer is: “what names are on the reservation at the all-you-can-eat Italian Restaurant buffet?”

MarineLayer
Super Member
2 months ago

Mike Ford?

red floyd
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2 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Better to have him than Mike Fiat or Mike Yugo.

Last edited 2 months ago by red floyd
Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Exactly.

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

I’d rather have Joe Isuzu.

Eric_in_Portland
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2 months ago

Italian is the key. Sonny DiChiara.