LA Angels Tuesday News Crash:

The Angels are no longer listening to offers for Shohei Ohtani. Zach Neto got a single and drew a walk in his debut with the Tri-City Dust Devils.

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The Astros will acquire Trey Mancini from the Orioles. Outfielder Jose Siri went to the Rays as part of the three team deal. The Astros also acquired catcher Christian Vasquez pending a physical. The Mariners claimed outfielder Travis Jankowski off waivers from the Mets. They designated left hander Danny Young for assignment. The Mariners also reached a minor league deal with Jonathan Villar.

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The Yankees acquired Frankie Montas and Lou Trivino from the Athletics. They also traded their #7 prospect to the Cubs for reliever Scott Effross. The Marlins reinstated left hander Jesus Luzardo from the 60 day injured list and designated Jake Fishman for assignment. The Brewers traded Josh Hader to the Padres in exchange for Padres closer Taylor Rogers, Dinelson Lamet and a couple of prospects. Joe Musgrove signed a five year $100 Million extension with the Padres. The Royals acquired left hander Anthony Misiewicz from Seattle for cash considerations. The Reds will trade Tommy Pham to somebody. It turned out to be the Red Sox. The Braves signed Austin Riley to a ten year extension worth $212 Million. Kris Bryant is on the ten day injured list with plantar fasciitis. The White Sox are trading catcher Reese McGuire to the Red Sox for left handed reliever Jake Diekman. The Diamondbacks traded right hander Luke Weaver to the Royals for infielder Emmanuel Rivera.

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smithy610
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Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago

Marsh piece is up. We can break down that trade there.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Its swapping a player with known downsides out for another player with lots of hypothetical upside.

The siren song of baseball: the lure of the prospect.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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23rd round selection in the 2018 draft

Mia
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Mia
1 month ago

Lol wait wut

2GA2Join
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1 month ago

I hope this is part of some bigger moves, because we needed to be trading away short term players with bigger salaries, not young players/prospects with small salaries!!

2GA2Join
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1 month ago

Wait what!?!?

nishiogawakun
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1 month ago

Marsh to Phillies?! Didn’t see that happening! I will honestly miss him.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  nishiogawakun

Getting Logan O Hoppe for him is a pretty good move though.

nishiogawakun
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1 month ago

I have no idea, but the reaction to a few in the know on the interwebs seems to be that it was a good trade for us. I did like Marsh’s attitude and drive though.

FungoAle
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1 month ago

I’m honestly not up to speed on Logan. Spread the porn.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Prospects will break your heart.

FungoAle
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1 month ago

Any teams calling the Angels on our best hitter, Rengifo?

Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago

Thor and Iggy make a lot of money. Blue Jays would likely want to send a decent contract back our way.

Yusei Kikuchi might be that contract. Not a good pitcher, but there are worse back of the rotation options; especially in a six man rotation that limits his appearances.

That would likely net us a mid level prospect, save the team $6 million for the next two years, and $16 million in year three.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Approved

Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Per the sim, which has been pretty good this year:

Thor + Iggy + $5 million = Kikuchi and Santiago Espinal who would help shore up the infield. League average bat, can play second or third, short in a real pinch, has

nishiogawakun
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1 month ago

If we don’t at least flip Noah for a signed jersey of someone I’ll pretty ticked.

JakeTaylor
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1 month ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

Yep, I’d even be happy if they got cash or a PTBNL! Just trade him for something! He ain’t gonna re-sign with this clown show next season.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor

Yeah, I think he gets dealt, seems to be too much smoke right now. Even better if we can add Iggy to the trade to clear salary.

Omahalo22
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1 month ago

The halos do not entertain trade deadlines. What is this trade deadline you speak of?

smithy610
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1 month ago

Thor, do you know something we don’t…

https://twitter.com/Noahsyndergaard/status/1554539055714406400

nishiogawakun
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1 month ago

Oh Perrrrryyyy, whatcha doing?

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

Eating a calzone

smithy610
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1 month ago

The Blue Jays get their reliever:

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1554522576319299584

This probably means they’re no longer looking at Raisel. I wonder if they’re still looking at Thor.

smithy610
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Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

I’d love to be rid of Iggy’s salary. We have far more pressing needs than a closer and bullpen help is the one thing I’m confident the farm can provide next year.

We’re talking $16 million per year for the next three years. That’s a solid everyday player or rotation piece.

smithy610
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Who are you pegging to be ready for closer next year?

I thought Perry signing Iggy was a great move. I thought it filled a need, he’s a proven commodity, etc. But Iggy is not performing well right now, and a closer is a luxury for this kind of team. So if we can get anything in return for him, even a salary dump, that would help.

Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

I’m not as sold on the closer role as many. I liked having Iggy back there as a hammer because it allowed the rest of the bullpen to be used according to match ups and situations.

As far as next year, I don’t know. I do know reliever performance is mercurial so it wouldn’t surprise me if Loup and/or Tepera are studs again.

It wouldn’t surprise me if they both suck, either.

And my well documented fan crush on Luke Murphy has only grown as he’s crushed AA this year.

Also, Silseth as a long reliever next year looks like a given. He’d be filthy one time through the order a couple nights a week.

benjiface
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Closer is not the position to have a diamond whilst the rest of the team is coal. I agree. Look what the Braves got from their Kimbrel trade, for example.

Oski_Bear
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1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

Ben Joyce

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Right on. Even if we need to supply a chunk of change.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

Throw in Tepera too to seal the deal.

Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago

We missed a chance with Hosmer. Could’ve snagged him and a needed piece for pretty minimal cost.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

“Where’s Perry”?

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ihearhowie3.0
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1 month ago

Reagins at the Winter Meetings energy

fyasko51
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

If Hosmer had a no trade clause, what will make him want to come to Anaheim if he rejected the Nationals? The Angels are no better than the Nationals.

AnAngelsFan
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1 month ago
Reply to  fyasko51

He could’ve stayed in Southern California and avoided the prospect of being traded to a worse team not on his list.

Eric_in_Portland
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1 month ago

Gallo to the Dodgers???

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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They’ll fix him

smithy610
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1 month ago

They’ll get that hitting coach who fixed Chris Taylor.

Joey Gallo – WS MVP

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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For the Dodgers #15 prospect – which is probably like us trading Bush

matthiasstephan
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1 month ago

I would not trade Bush (or anything much really) for Gallo at this point. Defensive substitute?

smithy610
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1 month ago

Remember when TX had Jurickson Profar, Joey Gallo, Nomar Mazara and Willie Calhoun, and everyone was like, just wait a few years – TX will be a perennial championship contender with this core?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  smithy610

Neftali Feliz…. Mike Olt…. that Ogando guy with another fetus growing out his face…. Justin Smoak… derek Holland…. the Rangers have had many “Look Out!” systems lately

benjiface
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1 month ago

Fetus out of his face??? Bwahahaha. Oh my. Ogando was not great to look upon

Jayman28
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1 month ago
Reply to  benjiface

He kind of looked like Boomhauer lol

nishiogawakun
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1 month ago

Lol. Love to see the Dodgers pull a Vernon Wells after missing out on Soto.

steelgolf
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1 month ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

Yeah, I don’t know why they would have an interest in Gallo.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Hosmer to Red Sox

AnAngelsFan
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1 month ago

Poor Hosmer. I’m sure he was desperate to finish the year and get his 10/5 rights to finish his career in San Diego.

Boston will be just as miserable as D.C.

steelgolf
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1 month ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Yep, it maybe a half step above DC lifestyle wise, but still I would think he would rather be in San Diego.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  AnAngelsFan

He clearly left too many teams off his no trade list.

AnAngelsFan
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1 month ago

And honestly, anyone should be able to predict that the BoSox are a possible trade candidate to unload a large contract.

Considering that, maybe he doesn’t actually mind Boston.

JackFrost
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1 month ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Yep. Boston is a last place team.

They have a better chance at being good next season than DC does however.

rosstrade
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1 month ago

The Padres gave up a haul for Soto.

We could have gotten something similar for Sho.

Not sure what Perry may do before the trade deadline today; but let’s say he doesn’t do much a la Bill Stoneman. Is this really such a bad outcome?

Ohtani said something interesting recently after the Halos collapsed this season. He said, he still believes in this team. The team played great earlier in the season when everyone was healthy, the bullpen was cranking, and we were getting more consistent hitting. He said the team as constructed can produce at a high level again.

What he said the team needed to get back on track was, “momentum.”

A spark.

Healthy players.

Consistent play.

The starting pitching has been solid, the bullpen, on paper, should be lights out, there are just a few missing pieces to solidify the middle infield and to shore up offensive production that could help the team replicate the start of the season.

2002heaven
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1 month ago
Reply to  rosstrade

do you really believe all this?

rosstrade
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1 month ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Actually, I am giving you Ohtani’s opinion about the team.

Not my opinion.

But, my opinion is: I agree with Ohtani. Our starting pitching has been good, better than good. For a recent 6 games stretch the Angels starting pitchers had the lowest ERA in MLB (Yes, I know the bullpen lost most of those games…).

Earlier in the season, we all thought this team was going to make the playoffs.

Even Perry M.

Then, the bottom fell out.

Weaknesses were exposed.

A few tweaks here and there, and this team could be competitive….

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  rosstrade

This can be said about 75% of teams. I do honestly think we have a solid shot at extending Ohtani if we are willing to PPPPAAAAYYYY. I don’t think that huge a contract is the type of move the Doyers will make, and just based on having known a bunch of Japanese people, I don’t think any other city has the same appeal as LA for him. Maybe Seattle, but that’s a distant second.

Total educated guess on my part, but if the money situation is similar, and he thinks they can become a winner at some point over the life of the contract, and he likes it here he could sign.

Or he’ll just become a Met.

matthiasstephan
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1 month ago

I think if he wanted to play in NY, he would have done it when he first came here.

LA (and the Angels in particular) has the attitude he likes – as does Trout, and Thor, and Rendon. This is their vibe, whatever you want to say about their injuries, they are not complaining about the clubhouse, or fighting amongst themselves.

fyasko51
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1 month ago

Its easy money here in Anaheim. You can get over paid to not produce and everything will be ok. You get chewed up by the NY media and fans. No pressure here to perform. If you suck in Anaheim, its just another Moreno special.

Last edited 1 month ago by fyasko51
smithy610
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1 month ago

I think if he wanted to play in NY, he would have done it when he first came here.

I think so. If Ohtani was really hellbent on this becoming legendary status thing, NY would have been the place to be. Bright Lights, Big City.

Or he was sort of scared that in case he doesn’t come out guns ablazing in his first year, NY will chew him and spit him out and he will never quite recover.

So he chose a “safer” place, and the “safer” team in LA.

matthiasstephan
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1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

I don’t see it as ‘safer’ – I see as playing with a different attitude, with a different focus, different lifestyle.

Less the in your face sports journalists (plenty of those in Japan), but the crazy fame which is much more toned down in Anaheim. Gets to have a private life – which I think he values.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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My point was more that, to the Japanese, Los Angeles is the most important, and coolest, city in America and it has a huge Japanese population comparatively…… that has appeal for a Japanese guy playing baseball.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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As he’s established himself in MLB, I expect his preferences have changed.

matthiasstephan
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1 month ago

Trout’s didn’t. Weaver’s didn’t. Not everyone wants that.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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…and Weaver gave Arte a home town discount.

yes, everyone is different

AnAngelsFan
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1 month ago

I doubt that, but his perception of the Angels might have. I think Ohtani wanted and wants to be on a winning team that will let him pitch and DH while minimizing the travel distance to Japan.

When he first came to the league, Eppler sold him on the future of the Angels and what they could do for them. He also didn’t have a lot of options. Realistically, it was the Angels or Seattle that had the best hopes of meeting Ohtani’s goal.

With the DH in the NL, Ohtani’s options have increased and his confidence in the Angels pushing to win has almost certainly substantially decreased. Trout isn’t as young, Rendon didn’t work out, Marsh/Adell are looking average at best, and the team routinely leaves large holes unfilled from season to season.

rosstrade
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1 month ago

I hope you’re right. I agree with you.

Ohtani didn’t sign with the Dodgers because they wouldn’t make him a two-way player. I’m not convinced Ohtani wants to go there, that ship has sailed.

benjiface
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1 month ago

Moreno determined to continue to fail the way he has failed over the past decade. Signing and retaining big names and eschewing all else in the system/team. What a giant doofus

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  benjiface

What happened that’s got CtPG guy bitching the same bitch this time? What did we do? What are we eschewing (fantastic word)? What did I miss?

benjiface
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1 month ago

Mostly just an excuse to use that word. I was referring to his determination to keep Ohtani in the MLBTR article.

Should have just read: Moreno doomed to repeat past failures by continuing to make the same mistakes over and over again!

rosstrade
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1 month ago
Reply to  benjiface

I would have said “Moreno keeps chewing over the same mistakes over and over again….”

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  benjiface

Yah. Unless Arte actually really intends to jump payroll by a ton (and Ohtani intends to sign here) then all we’re doing is digging our hole deeper.

I eschew the shit out of this.

rosstrade
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1 month ago

I prefer the word, chewing…..

Rallymanatee
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1 month ago
Reply to  rosstrade

I prefer masticating

aces666high
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1 month ago

We just like it when you use the same bitch to complain about the usual bitching that goes on around here.

You know, the same bitchy circle of life.

And eschew is definitely and underrated word.

AnAngelsFan
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1 month ago
Reply to  aces666high

We should probably eschew its further use, so it doesn’t lose its luster by becoming commonplace.

ihearhowie3.0
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1 month ago

Hosmer holding up the Soto deal and he has a no-trade to WSH.

Get involved, swap Walsh to the Nationals, have the Padres give us a better than we deserve prospect with Hosmer out of desperation to get it across the finish line to fulfill Jeff’s smart trade suggestion.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Approved

ihearhowie3.0
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1 month ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Yeah nevermind sounds like its a done deal with or without him. Hostage ransom trade scenario is no longer needed.

JackFrost
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1 month ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Hard no on trading Walsh.

clover_black
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1 month ago
Reply to  JackFrost

lol

JackFrost
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1 month ago
Reply to  clover_black

You guys are a hard lot — give up on a player after one down year.

JakeTaylor
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1 month ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Hosmer no longer included in the deal.

steelgolf
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1 month ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

If you were Hosmer, would you rather play home games, and live in San Diego or in DC? I would nix that trade in a heartbeat.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Or do you want to play for the team that just landed prospects, meaning winning is a ways away, or the team that just traded for Soto and Bell, extended Musgrove, and seems to be going all in to win the WS (a team you have been playing for for years, and is on the cusp of something).

I know, tough call.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

I mean lets see the return but trading Marsh and keeping Adell would actually make me LOL.

I’m open minded to anything though,

smithy610
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1 month ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

I would rather keep both of them, and offload Ward, if the FO thinks an OF logjam needs to be cleared up. But I wouldn’t do that either considering I’m anticipating both Trout and Rendon to share some DH duties next year, and Ward can play the OF and 3B. I’m also anticipating Trout moving to LF. I trust Marsh in CF more than Adell.

Anyway, offloading one of Marsh or Adell doesn’t make sense if the goal is to keep young, cost-controlled players to offset any potential looming Ohtani extension. Unless Perry thinks that trading one of them can get him a good prospect in return, and he sticks with Trout/Ward/Adell in CF and Rengifo spells Rendon in 3B, while providing other infield depth.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

The fact Jose Rojas, Tyler Wade and Jo Adell get as many opportunities as they do suggests we have the opposite of a logjam. Marsh is really valuable cheap depth, especially with Trout’s back.

To move him they’d need to know they’re getting a major league outfielder elsewhere (for Iglesias?)

smithy610
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

The fact Jose Rojas, Tyler Wade and Jo Adell get as many opportunities as they do suggests we have the opposite of a logjam

Going into the season, the plan for the everyday starters in OF were Trout, Marsh, Ward, with Adell as the 4th OF. Perry and Maddon liked what they saw in Ward that they were confident enough to let Upton go.

The Ward injury at the start affected that depth. Adell didn’t hit as they had hoped we would. Marsh was doing well in LF at the start of the season.

Injuries are a bitch, to any team. That’s why the team had paraded those scrubs. Had the FO predicted that they would use Rojas/Sierra/Wade, and whoever else in the OF for a significant period of time, would they have let go of Upton? Maybe not.

So maybe logjam is not the right word to use, but the FO knew who they want as their everyday players in the OF, and it didn’t pan out the way they thought it would.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

Upton was done. If we are talking about talent assessment, cutting him was the good move. He hit .125 for Seattle over just 34 games.

Lagares was a better option (and he was NOT a good option).

What we shouldn’t have done is hope that Villar (who had similarly bad stats at the beginning of the year) would help fill a hole. I guess worth a try when you are down to your 4th best option, but it didn’t work any better.

smithy610
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1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

*he sticks with Trout/Ward/Adell in OF

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