What Should We Do at 3B?

In a dream come true for many, Rendon’s hurt again. Oh, wait. Someone has to play third base. It looks like that will be Jack Mayfield and Matt Duffy. oh nnnnnooooooo!

OK all you real humans of baseball. So 1st question. Why did we sign Rendon? For the answer, look at the 3B the Angels had had the few seasons before we signed him. Then go ahead and take a look at the 3B who were due to become FAs in say the 2 years after 2019.  Then look at our farm at the time.

The answers you seek are there if you look. 

No. Hurr dee durr shurd farm 3B bur den and ulsah git hurrrr dumb! Is not an answer. Neither is cherry picking some rando scrapper from the ocean of failure that you were equally likely to pick in Dec 2019.

Want to know why we have Jack Mayfield and Matt Duffy? Well, the answer can be found if you look at who can replace Rendon via trade. First, here are those fellows’ stats…

Jack Mayfield and Matt Duffy…. Two living men who play third base.

First. The guys we can probably get without trading a pile of talent. Go ahead and take a look at their Brefs. And beware, if they look like they may be a hitting upgrade, look at the defense…. or WAR.

Harold Castro. Tigers

Colin Moran, Reds

Garret Hampson, CO

Ramon Urias, Balt

Next. The salary dumps of varying value. The Mariners will probably want a fair amount for Eugenio Suarez. They don’t have a ready replacement, they are in division, etc. But they could stand to shed his contract. The Reds will gladly trade us Mike Moustakas. In a perfect world maybe we can get a AAAA OF and an arm like Luis Cessa off them if we trade prospects and take his contract.

Next comes the semi-good players. The trouble with these guys is they will cost us and we will have Rendon coming back in six months. This is a real life problem that real life baseball people have to deal with. How much do you give up to replace a guy who will be returning…. Like the Braves with their outfielders last year. 

Also, how much do these guys improve the team, and what would you give up for that? This is literally what WAR was invented for. Look at what we have, what is available, and decide what that’s worth. 

Patrick Wisdom, Cubs

Maikel Franco, Nats

Ryan McMahon, CO

Brandon Drury, Reds

Josh Rojas, AZ

Brian Anderson, MIA

I left out fantastic options like Chris Owings and Matt Davidson…. If you think those guys are a better option than Mayfield stop sniffing glue.

It’s also, sadly, probably necessary to mention that no, we are probably not trading for a hot young pre-arb player like Jazz Chisholm unless it’s part of a general IF move… in which case we still have MayDuff at third probably. So no, unicorn fans, we probably won’t trade for Jazz Chisholm…. Or Austin Riley…. Or any other IF you see at the All Star game.

So, who’s the killer option that’s not gonna cost us an arm and an all star but is better than Mayfield/Duffy? The straws and shouldas are there…. grasp away.

And that’s why we have Mayfield and Duffy.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Halo71
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14 days ago

You do nothing. This season is over. Just wait for Rendon to come back.

Twebur
Super Member
14 days ago

Good write up……next up SS.

FungoAle
Super Member
14 days ago

I would recommend to stay away from pricey acquisitions as Rendon will be coming back next season. You mention that and agree. No Andujar or Drury.

Anderson would be clearly be my top guy if he was healthy. Not sure his status. His teammates Berti and Joey Wendle are interesting to me as well. I’d avoid the Rockies and if we wanted an offensive impact,, Franco but he is not a great all around player. I’d say those Marlins or just let Duffy take over and Fletch as backup if needed. Duffy’s a bat skills are decent enough. By keeping Duffy there, we shift the focus at short, second, and a 4th OF.

2002heaven
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14 days ago

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how about a 1yr OLIGARCH?

Last edited 14 days ago by 2002heaven
Charles Sutton
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Super Member
14 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

He’s retired and says he means to stay that way.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
14 days ago

Thanks for laying out the options. As far as your question about replacing a guy who is back in six months, I think versatility is key here.

Guys who can play multiple positions need to be considered first: Rojas, Anderson, Wisdom basically in that order.

Each immediately upgrades 3B and pushes Wade or Rengifo off the roster in the future. That’s a win now and later.

Jeff Joiner
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Super Member
14 days ago

Keep in mind Fletcher can also cover third. What we need is quality infielders of some sort.

Booting Mayfield and Wade for Fletcher and Rojas, no matter where we play them, takes two automatic outs and turns them into league average hitters. Huge boost.

When Rendon comes back, Rojas takes over as bench option #1 and our bench is better.

And it’s not like we’ve seen anything to think Rendon will ever play a full season here.

2002heaven
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14 days ago

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damm we whiffed again 😡  💩 
Good Gawd we never get our head outta of our asses!!

Last edited 14 days ago by 2002heaven
Fregosi66
Member
15 days ago

What to do about 3rd base? There is absolutely nothing you can do, can’t make chicken salad out of…well, you know the rest. For the last Dozen years or so The Angeles have been saddled with long expensive contracts that just don’t work out. This is not just a GM problem this is an organizational issue from top to bottom and I really don’t see a quick fix for this long term dilemma. In my opinion it’s time to bite the bullet and build from within, and that’s a long road I know and owner Arte is to worried about keeping up with big blue to show the patience it will require. Best to just stand pat and hope that some of the young bloods can come through at the highest level.

Cowboy26
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15 days ago
Reply to  Fregosi66

We need to repipe the whole house and I know just the guy.

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
15 days ago

You know, if the Angels could get positive value in a prospect swap with the Reds by taking on Moustakas contract, that might not be bad. Moose is a no-average power hitter. If he could hit 5 HRs for the Angels that might actually win a game or two. By comparison, Duffy hitting singles doesn’t help at all when there is nobody on the team to drive him in.

I wouldn’t pay the Reds for Moose, but if the Reds will pay to dump his salary then it would be worth a gander to see how a change of scenery affects Moose.

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Member
15 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Moose was just never really all that good. More hype than production. 3 useful seasons in a pretty long career. Much rather have Drury who appears to be on the way up. Even if this year is a fluke for him at least we could ride that wave.

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
15 days ago

Is Moose good? No. Is he better than Duffy/Mayfield? Maybe. Would Drury be better? Yes. Would the Reds be much less willing to trade Drury and demand an exorbitant price? Yes.

Drury also runs into the problem that next year you’ll theoretically have Walsh, Drury, Rendon, and Ohtani to fill 1B/3B/DH. Moose’s contract is short enough the Angels could drop him next year. If your plan is to just dump Rendon and replace him permanently with Drury, that isn’t going to happen. If your plan is to have Drury play 2B and Fletcher SS, that trades current problems for new (well, other current) problems.

AnAngelsFan
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15 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Ooops – missed that Drury is a FA in 2003. That would be a better choice, but probably with a high cost.

Cowboy26
Legend
15 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Before everyone gets all orgasmic about Drury I suggest you go look at his career Home/Road splits. He looks like just another creation of the Great American and even worse than Jesse Winker.

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

His Road OPS is .723 with 6 of his 14 jacks coming away from GA.. not a complete disaster. His road splits are leverage metrics you use to negotiate and not overpay in the deal but not a deal breaker IMO.

Cowboy26
Legend
14 days ago

Career Splits. Not just 2022.

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Member
14 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Huh? Your argument was that his 2022 has ben inflated by Great American Ball Park. This is his first year playing there.

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Member
15 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Yea I’d do Drury 3B, Fletch SS, Duffy 2B

Wade: Util

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Member
15 days ago

I don’t think its that wide spread… but consensus isn’t always a bad thing

Fansince1971
Legend
14 days ago

“consensus isn’t always a bad thing”

Unless you have a terrible farm system.

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Member
15 days ago

I picked up Brandon Drury in FB when Rendon got hurt the 1st time and he’s help lead me to first place. Perhaps the Angels should do the same. The price should be reasonable and the dude is consistently hitting lasers and piss missiles with solid and versatile defense that we could use all over.

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Member
14 days ago

I don’t see the price being too steep. The Dude has been solid to underwhelming his entire career and is a FA next year. 2.5 months of good play shouldn’t spike his value that much. That is probably what will get the CtPG Gm’s fired up when we inevitably DON’T acquire him. The price should be minimal and something even our meager farm can accommodate. The Reds will likely have quite a few options though to your point.

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Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
15 days ago

re: Friese. Yeah, I’d take 104 or 109 OPS+ (his two seasons with us). Our infielders: Squid, 41, Rengifo 73, Wade 54, Duffy 76, Mayfield 44, Fletch (remember him?) 38.

And hey, Rendon, 103. Drury is at 123 so he’d cost us. Nice low salary for this year but a free agent for 2023, which would work if Rendon comes back.

Fansince1971
Legend
15 days ago

Too logical and unemotional an analysis. Also it has no gut feelings or overreaction. Has no place on CTPG.

SScott
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

This is why I try to caveat my suggestions with the fact that I fully know that I would be a horrible MLB GM. I’m a 42 year fan of the Angels and my heart and desire for them to win trumps my logical and unemotional side. haha

tanana40
Trusted Member
15 days ago

I have wondered about Joey Wendle of Miami. He was acquired by Miami in a trade and is not a free agent until 2024. He is currently injured.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wendljo01.shtml

DowningDude
Super Member
15 days ago

What should we do?
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matthiasstephan
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Well, Panik is a FA.

(probably not what you meant)

MarineLayer
Super Member
15 days ago

The problem here is the Rendon overhang. We still owe him a ton of money for four more years and there’s no guarantee he will ever perform yet we have to act as if he will.

My first choice would be the rid ourselves of this contract. Since no would take it, why use resources now to cause a logjam next year, or pay much for a temp fix

I would suggest muddling by with the likes of Duffy or rind a cheap 1 year bandaid and instead focus our attention and limited resources on improving the middle to pair with Fletcher when he returns.

Fumid346
Newbie
15 days ago

Angels whiffed on Kaleb Cowart. He would have been the long term solution but never worked out

halofansince1978
Trusted Member
15 days ago

Play Mayfield in for the rest of the season and see what he can do with couple hundred at bats.

55yearsangelsfan
Member
14 days ago

Playing Mayfield regularly sounds good. See what he can do with consistent playing time. We can always reconsider near the trade deadline.

Twebur
Super Member
14 days ago

Jack Meh’field…..havent we all seen enough.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

No because PLAY DEH KIDZ!!!! mantra surfaces every year about this time, like our scrub MiLB players are all future MVP’s and Cy’s

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