LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Ugh, Arte…

Good morning Angels fans, how are you today? Nice win last night huh? Have some links to celebrate!

Angels News

The Angels won last night in a battle of the bullpens. Everyone got a hit, most had 2. Good to see the offense alive even if it is against a team that lost 19 straight.

Arte Moreno is really a disgrace. Here is a rather seething and swear word heavy video on him. Seriously, he does not hold back and goes over the failings Arte has had.

But why is that relevant? It is because he is still in the news. The Angels have been defying subpoena. Come on, stop making this worse!

On a lighter note, Ohtani is great, no doubt, but his season at the plate is still not as good as Trout. I am not complaining of course, as having the best non Trout hitting season in Angels history AND being an Ace is way more impressive.

OBP does wonders

Speaking of, here, look at Ohtani in High School!

Around Baseball

The youngest Molina bro is staying another year in St. Louis. Really, Jose was better.

Baltimore’s 19 game losing streak is the worst in MLB since 2005 KC. Really need to extend that to 21…

MLB.com’s farm system rankings are updated. Angels at 24th.

Bassitt has a medical update to his hit to the head. Pitching helmets, would that be the future?

MLB may change the baseball. Again. But this time, with the input of players? Just use the Japanese ball!

The Playoffs are coming for MLB. Here is how the schedules stack up.

Why are the Angels on here?
Padres, good luck…

The LLWS is happening now and California, repped by Torrance, has been doing well.

Padres have fired their pitching coach. Yeah, how does he keep getting work? Throw more sliders is not a be all end all.

Anything I missed? Post below for more upvotes!

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2002heaven
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1 month ago

Gavin Weir ( S Dakota ) just no hit the Torrance team at the LLWS.
He’s only 12 yrs old and throws high 80’s and low 90’s!!!!!
Wonder if a Scott Boras sighting was in place?

Last edited 1 month ago by 2002heaven
2pints
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1 month ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Yet another failure by the Halos scouts. Can’t believe they didn’t sign him out of elementary school.

Halo71
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1 month ago
Reply to  2pints

Excuse me ma’am, can you please tell me what time recess is?

2pints
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1 month ago
Reply to  Halo71

My mom brought the orange slices

red floyd
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1 month ago
Reply to  2pints

Allow me to channel my inner 2002

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2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  2pints

Still seething for two and half years?
Was this any kind of slam against our team? Did this post in anyway criticize our owner or previous GM? This is just crazy bad even for you…….

2pints
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Pretty funny that when I reply to your comment you think it’s because of a comment from years ago that until yesterday I forgot about until you reminded me, when in reality my response was formed out of your steady comments about how awful the Halo scouting is.

I’m the one seething? I told you to fuck off over 2 years ago. Get over it dude. Let it stay in the past and know that anything I say to you in the present day is based off you today, not then. Honestly, you’re coming off kind of weird. Even more so than usual since it’s directed at me and not the Halos.

2002heaven
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1 month ago
Reply to  2pints

Yes…..of course I believe you.

2pints
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1 month ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Like I said, weird.

H.T. Ennis
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Super Member
1 month ago

Detmers and Warren to injured list without a designation, possibly COVID

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Los Angeles Angels placed RHP Bundy on the 10-day injured list. Right shoulder strain.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

More like the phantom “blister” that Cowboy mentioned.

Jeff Joiner
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Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

MLBTR is saying they are going to the Covid list, although no word about an actual positive test.

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago

Reading the article about MLB getting pitchers input into a possible new ball (again) that has some sort of “pre-tackiness” on the cover that would be legal, and the first question that comes to mind is: “What or whom influenced MLB to look into creating a ball with a tacky cover for grip vs. the old method of a ball with the mud?” Could it be that an organization, who may have just inked a 300+ million dollar contract with a pitcher who is suddenly struggling because of the foreign substance checks, put pressure on Manfred to help protect their huge investment?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  steelgolf

Is he struggling yet? I’m so bored of reading comments to that effect, looking him up, and seeing he has a WHIP under one…. it’s a let down.

Not to pick on just you, but does anyone around here actually look stuff up before they type it?

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago

His last couple of outings have been fine, but his first few after the crackdown were atrocious. Why would MLB just start experimenting with a pre tacky ball when Manfred is all about speeding up the game and adding stupid Manfred rules? He passes down an edict to enforce “ No sticky stuff” , then turns around and starts experimenting with balls doctored with sticky stuff?

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 month ago

From here on the think the Halos win 13 more games. That is as optimistic as I can get. But wins aside, this team has been fun to watch every night and I will be here at the end of the season God willing. Go Angels.

PS, Marsh is going to be a great player and he is fun to watch.

Fansince1971
Super Member
1 month ago

I’ll stand by my 84 wins prediction. I also like Marsh a lot!

Jeff Joiner
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Super Member
1 month ago

September is going to be brutal. Losing Sandoval will hurt too. 13 is a decent guess. We have 36 games left and 26 of them are against teams that are 10 games or more above .500.

What could push the total higher is SD. They are a train wreck right now.

Fansince1971
Super Member
1 month ago

That video on Moreno is a pseudo-journalist hack job. I definitely am critical of the guy in certain areas but painting him to be evil is pretty over the top. This was likely some internet poster who had way too much time on his hands. Real journalism has little room for that click-bait stuff.

The Angels trying to ‘avoid’ a subpoena is all handled by the lawyers – not Arte. There may be legitimate objections to the scope of the subpoena. It’s just lawyer stuff and should not be used as emphasis for that hack job video.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Urinating Tree is satire. He can make Tom Brady look bad. I am still not ant-Moreno but when you combine bad luck and bad decisions Arte is the Biltmore buffet brunch for that guy. Just laugh at it cause it’s the truth exaggerated and it’s funny. It won’t hurt anything.

Fansince1971
Super Member
1 month ago

I didn’t realize that it was satire as I have never seen anything done by that guy before. In that light, it is funny. I could go on and on about the things that I dislike about Artie Moreno, his poor ownership decisions, the lack of real Baseball Organization etc. etc. But he is not evil unless it’s humor.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 month ago

If it’s about Arte, then I guess I better just bite my tongue and pay heed to what my late Mom told me. If you don’t have something nice to say, then don’t say anything at all.. 😠 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

I didn’t click the link cause of work, but if that video is the Urinating Tree video it was only a matter of time before he flamed us. I was shocked he hadn’t done it long before now. We have to be one of the most target rich teams for his stuff and he’s pretty funny.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
1 month ago

so we’ve got 7 games against the Rangers. That’s good. And these two more vs Baltimore. The other 26 might be a problem.

Still, I’m enjoying 2021. It’s a full season, for one thing. Ohtani is about ready to get hot again. Joe Maddon is doing a great job. We’ve moaned about the pitching and the injuries. And we’re still playing (nearly) .500 ball. And maybe, if we don’t screw it up, we’ll be above .500 when we leave Baltimore.

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago

Hope for a speedy recovery for Bassitt. If I were him, I would come back pitching with a hockey type helmet with a cage in front. You can still see just fine, but it gives you a layer of protection.

Cowboy26
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steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

3rd base until Rendon returns?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  steelgolf

Does he play 3rd? I know he plays 2B.

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago

Saw a report that he plays 2nd and 3rd.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago

27 games throughout his career at 3rd.
103 2nd
63 SS
5 at first

I say buy him an outfield glove for Christmas…Try to create a Super Sub.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Twebur

Eh, why not? Tiz the season to try stuff.

rosstrade
Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Would be great to see MIkey Stefanic get called up. Why not? Enjoying Captain Jack but giving Stefanic a shot would give us something more to cheer about.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Maybe in the September call-ups, just a week away?

Cowboy26
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1 month ago

It would appear that Elvis is in the building.

https://twitter.com/Jared_Tims/status/1430389364480110598

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Let’s get a look at all of our young starters. Then we will have a sense of how much we need to pay/trade for a good rotation next year (or if we can sign better FAs at SS, Catcher, pay Raisel, extend Ohtani).

eyespy
Super Member
1 month ago

Extending Ohtani needs to happen this offseason.

We can not afford him to learn anymore English, I’m not joking here, and learn what is really going on. That, and his mother will start to gain ground on influencing him any day now.

She will not put up with any more of the Angels shenanigans involving her baby.

Any team will let Shohei do anything he wants from this day forward, and probably be better managing his schedule too.

Cowboy26
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  eyespy

So we should be negotiating directly with Mama-san?

eyespy
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Mama-san is derogatory. She is Okasan, Okasan, or Hahauwe.

Before is the magic word, and her word would be final, so no, you won’t be able to negotiate with her.

El_Duderino
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1 month ago
Reply to  eyespy

Do you know personally about her, or is this just the stereotype? Honestly curious.

eyespy
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  El_Duderino

I lived there for 20 years, my wife is Japanese, and I am just going off of past and current experiences.

They take Mama-san as an ignorant gutter term.

FungoAle
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  eyespy

Kanajo

eyespy
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

That’s girlfriend

JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  eyespy

That would hurt us in 2022. Wait until Upton is off the books and then look into it… There is really no rush here.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  JackFrost

if Ohtani is a free agent for 2023 then we’ll need to have a deal before his current contract ends. Upton comes off the books….when Ohtani does!

Or something like that. Arb eligible and lord only knows what he’ll get in arb. 40+ HRs, sub 3 ERA. Could be $40mil.

Last edited 1 month ago by Eric_in_Portland
matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  JackFrost

It depends on how we negotiate it. Sign the contract, build in the modest raise for next year (while Upton is on the books) and then escalate – the signing bonus can compensate for the reduced salary (like Trout’s early deal).

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

I’d love to do this if we can still sign moar pitching… and a SS and back up C.

El_Duderino
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Backup C we have Thaiss and even Ward.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  El_Duderino

Do we? Are they better at C than Suzuki? I can see them playing the position in a pinch, but until they are back in form at C, I would think we need someone paired with Stassi in 2022.

El_Duderino
Trusted Member
1 month ago

I was being silly, just trying to make light of those guys’ weird predicament. Which only sort of intersects with what the team actually needs (like usual).

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  JackFrost

But right now, because he doesn’t understand English, and neither does his agent or any of his other handlers, he isn’t aware of the shenanigans being done to him. Also, for some reason, his mom is going to gain more influence over him, as is the case when any man stops being 27 and turns 28.

We need to extend him right now, while we pay Upton, so that the same people demanding we do this can then throw a tantrum when we don’t sign enough pitching this winter. Cause if the payroll isn’t 250M Arte is a fascist!

eyespy
Super Member
1 month ago

Ass. Come out and just reply to me.

Mister make things up and just cause trouble.

You really do need to grow up, and quit just posting nonsense like you know every God damn thing.

My comment was sincere and it’s way I think they should do, and why they should do it. I do have experience in situations like this, and the comment comes from my past experiences.

Honestly, you need to be the person you say you are.

Last edited 1 month ago by eyespy
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  eyespy

OK. I’ll keep it simple and reply directly to your wank.

I think your comment re Ohtani is a reach. You’re not the only person in this exchange with experience with Japanese people or even sleeping next to them long term.

I find you’re contention that Ohtani is oblivious of the org’s obvious short fallings because he’s a Japanese farm boy and that we need to hurry up and sign him before his mom chimes in either silly or a little f*** up. I think this anger you’re showing is just more of your not really being able to handle people who don’t agree with you. It’s probably because you’re so strong and so smart.

I act like I know everything because I obviously know everything, accept for all the times when I say “I don’t know much about this…” or what ever. I’m sorry if this confuses you. Come to think of it, I KNOW it confuses you. I’m also sorry that the idea anyone may think they are above you, even if they’re usually kidding, eats at you so much, but I also just don’t really care, because I’m better than you.

I like how you accuse me of making stuff up every time you pull some cack handed idea out of your head, with nothing to back it up but more of your own head cheese, and I don’t agree with you. Any time anyone asks you for facts or sources you shit the bed. It’s darling. Bless your heart.

While I may change my mind if someone tells me something I didn’t know (it happens) I have never wavered in the person I am. I’ve never felt like I have to. For example, I’ve told you I don’t like you before. I still don’t. I’m not the least bit uncomfortable with it. You keep saying I change my mind all the time just to troll and I’ve asked you for examples. I’m still waiting.

Why do you keep dropping terms like “grow up”, “be better” and “be the person you are” when you have nothing else to go to? Do you sell yoga studio memberships or something? Work for Gwyneth at Goop? It’s limp and manipulative.

And finally, I replied to Jack’s reply to you with a reference to the “thinking” you pooped out because that’s what he was replying to. See, humans in a group, or a thread, use triangular communication, otherwise we come off like Muppets. The day I consciously try to somehow “dodge” replying to your intimidating wit, wisdom and grammar skills is the day I eat a gun.

I know. Should have been a fan post.

eyespy
Super Member
1 month ago

I concede you win.

The first thought I have when I wake up in the morning, and the last thought I have before I go to sleep is always the same.

I have so far been lucky, and successful in life. Personal goals have been met. Now it’s time to help others with their life goals.

All of the experiences I have had so far are a part of my life they have built me and made me the person I am today.

I have no more worries. I have supported my family, and continue to support my children’s families. All of my children are outstanding citizens, and successful in their lives.

I have no need to continue working, but I am very good at what I do, because of my life experiences, and continue to work and continue being very successful at what I do. If I choose to do something else, again, I will also be successful at that. I do what I want to do.

I have made friends and enemies from both sides of a coin. I have had influence in things the World participates in, and still answer questions from these experiences. I, so far, have had a good life.

You win, and it sucks, I know.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  eyespy

I don’t understand what I have won or why it sucks.

As for the rest of that comment. Good on you, glad life’s working out OK.

rosstrade
Member
1 month ago
Reply to  eyespy

That’s a good point. I think Shohei being Japanese feels an obligation towards Arte Moreno for sighing him. The Japanese call it, “Giri.” However, if Ohtani gets some insight into how poorly Arte runs his team, he might want to bail. I’m not a big Arte Moreno fan. We’ve had one of the greatest players in baseball in Mike Trout and only one playoff series in 10 years. This says it all. Moreno is more interested in making money than the fans, his community, the players, or his employees. Come on, calling the Angels the “Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim” for marketing purposes, what a joke. We all know the Angels are in Anaheim, Orange County, not LA. I think there is a greater chance that Ohtani stays with the Angels because he is a high quality human being who values loyalty, unlike Arte Moreno. But, the longer Ohtani stays unsigned and sees the ugly side of Angels ownership, the greater chance he bails to sign with a team that values quality baseball and putting a great team on the field.

2pints
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  rosstrade

“If Ohtani gets some insight into how poorly Arte runs his team”

Do people think Ohtani is slow or oblivious to the goings on around him? He’s been on the Halos for a few years now. Do you not think he has an agent who has a team of people working in all facets of sports, such as business, marketing, sponsorships, etc.? Please, give the guy some credit. He is quiet and humble, but he’s not an imbecile oblivious to everything around him.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  eyespy

I believe you’ve hit on something. A lot of truth in your fear of Shohei learning the truth. Because we want to keep him, that means we are hoping for a “Lost in Translation” type ignorance by him.

He may not fully see how bad Arte truly is. May have to much respect for his elders. That is what his culture teaches him.

If he leaves because of Arte………..wow.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Twebur

If he’s gonna leave because of Arte it’s gonna happen already. WTF is up with this site and the weird personality projections we give baseball people? Ohtani is 27, not 7. He’s Japanese, not mentally handicapped. He’s also not alone. He has “people”. I think he’s aware of everything that say Saint Fletch or Alex Cobb is aware of. If it really pisses him off then he’ll move on. If the over all situation makes him happy, and the money is right, he’ll stay. His defaulting to being polite and respectful doesn’t change any of that.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago

Point taken….specifically, he might interpret the news reports differently than say Cobb or Fletcher (I’m sure they all learn about most of Arts shit as we do) subtle differences, cultural differences. But your right, he’s not a child and has people.

Wanting him to sign another contract with us, hope his decision isn’t negatively influenced by the shit eater, that’s all. Or maybe he doesn’t give a shit about Arte’s shit, and he knows Arte loves big ticket players and will take the cash regardless of shit eating Arte, Sho could be a greedy dick, we don’t know. Or, as you say he could want to move on.

And don’t forget we live in a sports world today where college athletes pick programs because of the newest alt uniform, or if the game they attended the school won.
80% of NBA players are more interested in their Brands than the game itself. Interesting to see what a 27 year old from Japan thinks, certainly different than the average Joe American.

Last edited 1 month ago by Twebur
rosstrade
Member
1 month ago

“Weird personality projections ???”

Yes, the fact that Ohtani is Japanese and from a small, traditional farming town, Oshu in Iwate perfecture, is most definitely going to play a role in his deciding whether to extend with the Angels or not. Ohtani is a very traditional, high-character kind of guy. His giving his Home Run Derby money, $150,000, to the Angels front office and training staff is an example of that. Ohtani is the kind of guy who’ll take less money to be in the right organization and situation. Saying that he knows exactly what Cobb or Fletch knows because he has “people” is irrelevant. My gut feel, and my hope, is that Ohtani will extend with the Angels. Teams that can lure him away will be teams with solid baseball tradition and history, such as the Yankee where Hideki Matsui played. Or a team with strong ties to Japan and Ichiro, Ohtani’s favorite player – the Mariners – who Ohtani would see as a challenge to get them into the World Series for the first time.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  rosstrade

He already took way less money to play for the Angels – rather than waiting, what, 2 years for a big payday.

Then he chose the Angels over bigger name clubs that could have marketed him differently (for bigger paydays).

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 month ago

Ohtani stays with the Angels unless someone higher up the ladder than Perry screws up.

rosstrade
Member
1 month ago

Absolutely, good points. I heard one of the big reasons he signed with the Angels was Mike Trout. He wanted to play with the best.

eyespy
Super Member
1 month ago

Why are so offended by anyone’s opinion?

Sometimes you should just move on to another subject, or comment.

No specifically asked for you to chime in, and no one requested your toxic input.

2pints
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  eyespy

I reacted the same was as Gitch to the comments portraying Ohtani as some child in the dark about reality. People here are acting like Ohtani has no idea of where he is or what is going on around him and are fearful for the day he sees whats happening. Give Ohtani some credit, he’s an intelligent human being not to mention a grown man.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
1 month ago

plus he knows plenty English.

2pints
Trusted Member
1 month ago

I should’ve kept reading before making my comment. Spot on.

rosstrade
Member
1 month ago

Makes good sense. For me personally, I’m ok with C-Rod, Ohtani, Cobb, and Sandy as the base for the starters. With Suarez a possibility. Canning, Detmers, and Barria in the mix as well. Is Arte really going to pay for a great starter who is better than what we have right now? Or, is he going to give another one year deal for a reclamation project as we’ve been doing for the last few years? Frankly, if we can get one solid mid-rotation starter and put more effort into rebuilding the bullpen, I’d be happy.

FungoAle
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  rosstrade

I really think a solid top of the rotation horse is needed but good with the arms you laid out. For me, the Canning, Detmers, should be packaged up with others in a deal to land a solid arm. What failing franchises would not jump at cost controlled pitchers such as this.

El_Duderino
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Do we know if there are any rotation horses available in 2022?

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  El_Duderino

Depends on one’s definition of rotation horse. There are no Super Star (Cole) pitchers under 30 coming in unless some kind of spectacular trade takes place.

El_Duderino
Trusted Member
1 month ago

That’s what I was afraid of.

On a side note it seems like the old way of “sign the best SP free agent in the offseason” doesn’t really work well anymore.

Last edited 1 month ago by El_Duderino
matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Who do you trade 6 years of Detmers and many years of Canning for? Which starter out there is available that is worth trading our viable, young cost-controlled starters?

I am not against a trade, but curious what one would be willing to trade the farm for?

toad2065
Member
1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

No such thing as a “solid” arm! Just ask the Padres. Every free agent pitcher is a crapshoot and it is foolish to think otherwise. We can’t afford to shop in that aisle.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I would definitely be on board with packaging Canning and Detmers. Even though Detmers admitedly has alot of room to grow he is not a power pitcher, and thus in my book is a relatively low ceiling player. For all the people arguing about his fastball being good, the last outing I was seeing 92 mph after 92 mph after 92 mph. Though he obviously can throw a little bid harder he may not feel comfortable trying to consistently throw 94-95. You just can’t pitch that way, throwing full effort and power on each pitch….

So, what we are likely looking at is a guy who lives off his curveball (which does appear to be pretty good) and slider and uses the fastball to set up those other pitches. This is just not the type of guy who will be a top of the rotation dominant guy. I say look to trade him soon before the book is out on him.

El_Duderino
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  JackFrost

To my eyes Detmers profiles a lot like a sturdier Andrew Heaney but with put-away curve instead of a put-away slider.

I agree with you that his 92-94 mph fastball doesn’t appear to be anything special. I won’t write him off yet, but eye test looks to me like back-end starter.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  El_Duderino

Yeah, the best you can hope for with him is a # 4 or #5 starter.

But those guys are a dime a dozen to be honest… I would rather try to develop Barria or Marte and give them those starts. At least there you’ve got some legit upside to become something pretty good.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  JackFrost

It’s not impossible at all for him to be better than a #4. Lefties with his curve and slider don’t have to throw 94 all the time. Power arms aren’t all there is too it either. Kershaw’s not a power arm. Blyleven, Cuellar, Zito, Kluber…. I wouldn’t mind trading him for a really good starter, but I also wouldn’t write the book on him 100 innings into his total pro career.

rosstrade
Member
1 month ago

Good points…. Some of my favorite pitchers who were effective were not flame throwers. Greg Maddox, Tommy John (even after the surgery), Rick Honeycutt, Tom Glavine, Warren Spahn, Don Sutton. Frank Tanana after the surgery….

red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Don’t forget WTY

JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Lol. Most of that list are Hall of Famers. Of course anyone can Cherry Pick a handful of dudes who break the mold.

I am talking about what consistently works at the MLB level. There will always be some exceptions.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago

Kershaw is not a power arm now, but he sure the hell was when he came up and for the first half of his career at least.
That despite the fact he also had a fantastic curveball.

Blyleven is a Hall of Famer and had one of the best curveballs ever. Don’t think Detmers is in his league or anyone expects him to be anywhere near as good as Blyleven or even Zito. Zito btw could throw 94 consistently to make his curve that much more effective…

2pints
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I don’t know much about SP aging and adding velocity. Is that something that typically happens with a starter? Detmers is 22 years old, would it be unfathomable to add velocity as he approaches his prime years? Or is 92 MPH pretty much what we should expect for his career?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  rosstrade

I think that Arte will sign the best pitcher he can get to come here, as has been the case the last 3 years. The market itself is pretty thin.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

That shirt sure looks like something “the” Elvis would have worn.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Elvis ENTERS the Angels building…………and immediately placed on the IL.

trAdition

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member

I enjoy watching Marsh hit – his approach is very smooth. The three hits to left field last night were beautiful.

eyespy
Super Member
1 month ago

When on, that is one sweet swing

rosstrade
Member
1 month ago

Love Marsh’s approach and calmness on the field. He makes it look easy

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  rosstrade

The approach reminds me of Carew.

James
Trusted Member
1 month ago

The Arte video is a must watch. You don’t really realize what a disaster this organization has been until it’s all put together in a video like that.

Cowboy26
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  James

With no playoff wins in 12 years I would think it’s been pretty obvious.

eyespy
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  James

Been saying this for seasons, but get countered every time with, “where’s da proof”

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  James

it is a 12 minute synopsis of our gripes here for years.

Arte spends money, but he does so foolishly and also scrimps where he shouldn’t. He’s the boss, the team is not successful, it is on him.

toad2065
Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

No, he’s not the boss. He’s the owner. He made a mistake when he chose Scoscia over Dipoto. Eppler was a poor choice unless you were planning to operate like the MF Yankees he came from. I personally think Minasian is a good choice and applaud his early moves. I think he has the franchise on the right track for the first time since Stoneman left.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  toad2065

Arte’s at a crossroads with Minasian and the guys he’s brought in. He was a good hire, I think, and his first draft was a great sign, but we need to see if Arte allows expanded scouting, development investment, more international player signings and scouting. I want an owner who sees that we haven’t had a third baseman in 5 years and signs Rendon. But I want that same owner to spend on a nice fat farm too.

FungoAle
Super Member
1 month ago

It’s a little odd that Minasian has not gotten the word out to the media on how he has reshaped the departments you’re mentioning. Seems like a good thing to do to instill confidence that the organization might be headed in the right direction. But maybe, it’s all a smoke screen and nothing has really changed. I would think Perry should get the word out to cover for his horrible FA acquisitions.

Cowboy26
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  toad2065

Did Arte really make a mistake on choosing Scioscia over Dipoto?

Roberto Baldoquin over Mickey Hatcher? Dipoto would have fired Scioscia so he can hire BFF Scott Servais to be our manager? At least then Scotty wouldn’t have been able to screw up our farm system anymore than he did.

But Why is it even a binary choice? I probably would have fired both Sosh and the Jedi if I had my way.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

It’s so weird. He worries about money, and then spends it on stuff with high risks and diminishing returns. You’d think if he was cheap he’d just build a model like the A’s or Rays, but with the money to retain guys like Trout, Ohtani and Fletcher who are home grown money makers. Best of both worlds. But no, he’s still penny wise and pound foolish to a large extent.

But hey, the world is full of people buying crypto and Tesla stock instead of mid-cap value ETFs too.

El_Duderino
Trusted Member
1 month ago

It’s only weird because us fans all seem to be assuming Arte doesn’t care more overall about making money than putting together an actual winning team.

Now, I don’t really know what’s in his head, but his actions show that he is fucking phenomenal at the former and terrible at the latter.

2pints
Trusted Member
1 month ago

I think Arte’s flaw when it comes to the recent big signings was that he earmarked money for a big signing of a pitcher, then when the pitcher went elsewhere he diverted to the most expensive hitter out there instead of spreading the huge chunk of money around or saving it for the next offseason.

He offered Greinke a huge contract, lost him to the Dodgers so put that money towards Hamilton. Same situation with Cole/Rendon. He’s like a guy that really wants to buy a private jet, but when the dealership he went to is all out he just buys a helicopter off the lot instead and then is handcuffed on how far his new ride can transport him.

eyespy
Super Member
1 month ago

And here we go

Federal prosecutors say Angels are defying subpoena in Tyler Skaggs case
By Gus Garcia-Roberts

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/08/23/tyler-skaggs-death-angels-federal-subpoena/

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  eyespy

John has this linked above

eyespy
Super Member
1 month ago

I looked, and looked again. Missed it.

Sorry John for steppin’ on your toes

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  eyespy

What’s the difference between a good lawyer and a bad lawyer?

A bad lawyer can let a case drag out for several years. A good lawyer can make it last even longer.

Arte can afford very good lawyers.

eyespy
Super Member
1 month ago

And he will not complain when paying for them with a bottomless pit budget.

He will not let anyone get HIS money without earning it.

Cowboy26
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  eyespy

Except Albert Pujols, Josh Hamilton, Vernon Wells……

eyespy
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Al earned all but the last season, and it killed Arte a bit.

Hamilton is one reason we are where we are today. “I don’t want to hear any more about illicit substances … keep that in the clubhouse.”

Vernon got Side Salad taken off the menu. Didn’t Mr. Wells end up getting traded and get some of that sweet sweet money back into Arte’s wallet?

If you have a contract with the Halos, you need to fulfill it to earn it, that is all. No one rides for free, and keeps Mr. Moreno happy.

rosstrade
Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

So many bad signings…

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Gary Matthews Jr., Matt Harvey, Cody Allen…

red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

The Dipoto Four

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  red floyd

“The Unfantastic Four”

eyespy
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

GMJ, maybe. The rest do t have what Arte is looking for

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  eyespy

If the MLB has these docs can’t the Feds just get them from there? I am a legal ignoramus but why drag this out if you’re Arte? The suit isn’t going away and if you win it by dragging it out you look like crap. If there’s damning stuff in these docs you’re screwed. Why drag it out. If they are harmless then hand them over and get on with it. Again, I know next to nothing about how this works, but I assume that at some point the Angels will have to explain how they investigated this and there’s no changing how that was done now, so why the hold up?

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Angels have the worst chance of making the playoffs and the hardest schedule yet to come? That sounds about right.

I predict a 79-83 final standing. If Trout comes back, I’ll give them 80-82.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I’m holding with my between .480 to .500 winning percentage prediction this year.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Trout only good for one game?

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Over the course of 2-3 weeks against strong opponents after a lengthy injury? Yes.

ihearhowie3.0
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Sell the teeeeeeaaaammm

rosstrade
Member
1 month ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Absolutely, but Arte won’t sell as long as he’s making money. And, can make more money with a stadium development deal where he gets a big slice of the pie…

FungoAle
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

We could end up with an even more clueless owner. But okay, worth a coin flip, need to do something.

red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I hear Jeff Loria is looking for a team…

[ducks and runs]

It’s a JOKE, people!!!!!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member

Loved the rant about Arte Moreno. L-O-V-E-D it!!!!!

JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago

I love this guys delivery, “Drink yourself silly as Trout rots away.”

Lmao.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

Yeah, I was gonna say, his Steelers and Pirates videos are friggin great.