LA Angels Monday News Crash: A Weekend for Young Pitchers

The Angels are, once again, under .500. One wonders if the reason GM Perry Minasian didn’t move Raisel Iglesias or Alex Cobb at the trade deadline is because he believes they will be extension candidates. Obviously, Andrew Heaney and Tony Watson were traded away.

The big news of the weekend was the debut of Reid Detmers.

At the Olympics in Japan, a columnist asks local workers how they feel about Shohei Ohtani. The results will not shock anyone.

The Angels ended up signing 19 of 20 draftees. Only 20th round pick Marcelo Perez out of TCU did not sign.

Related to the draft, the Mets do not sign Kumar Rocker before the Sunday deadline. (He was available for the Angels to select.) After reviewing Rocker’s medicals, the Mets felt that it was not taking a risk on the young righty. As Rocker did not participate in MLB’s pre-draft medical checkups, the Mets were not required to make an offer to Rocker to receive the #11 slot in the 2021 MLB Draft.

If you need a quick recap of what went down at the Trade Deadline, SI provides one, including winners and losers.

The Angels check in at #19 on MLB.com’s power rankings. Seems about right.

Former Cubs are having a blast on their new teams thus far:

At the time of publishing, this Olympic quarterfinal game will be underway, and by the time most of you read this, this game will be over. But Masahiro Tanaka vs. Shane Baz is always worth highlighting.

And of course, Shohei Ohtani made the team of the month.

Title Image from Angels Twitter

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Mia
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Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  Brent

Not in the lineup 🙁

Last edited 1 year ago by Mia
Fansince1971
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1 year ago

So CRod and Adell are up. That’s great!

Fansince1971
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1 year ago

Okay CRod announced. Still no lineup. 10 min to gametime. Maybe we will get a surprise. . .

Last edited 1 year ago by Fansince1971
Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

I don’t see any transactions yet. If CRod and Jo are up then somebody’s down. Unless they’ve got a waiver and can have 28

Jim Atkins
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1 year ago

I am really curious why they recalled Wong and sent him back down the next day. Arte has stock in Delta Air Lines and gets a deal on tickets?

eyespy
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

All the mile are added to the company card(my employer does this)

FungoAle
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1 year ago

I knew that toss by Thaiss was his doom. Wong in the minors has a nice ring to it.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Awesome! That must have been the delay…..

Wait – just saw the new lineup. No Adell.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Because of Arte’s narcissism he likes to be the only one who knows if Adell is actually playing. I lay this squarely at his feet.

eyespy
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1 year ago

Day²Day

Fansince1971
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1 year ago

Less than 2 hours and no lineup. Feel something is up.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

All of our players got massages from the training staff today. All of our players are hurt, but they’ll be fine, back real soon.

eyespy
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1 year ago

Nothing horrible

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  eyespy

They all just tweeked it. Just a little tender.

FungoAle
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1 year ago

Callaway doing the massaging

Angels2020Champs
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1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Ohtani was originally penciled in for Sunday, then today, now when?

Happy for CRod and these young pitchers getting opportunities

Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago

according to Joe, either the last game vs Texas or maybe one of the Dodgers games in the Latrine. I put it through google translate and it came back “Ohtani will not pitch again in 2021”

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago

At this point, let him pitch in the Latrine. Anything to hopefully keep them in the one game wild card is a win.

Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I think that’s the idea, so we get his bat too

eyespy
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1 year ago

Needed to translate what Joe says. Try it with Arte next, then Trump.

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

The future is now!

Jim Atkins
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1 year ago

I’d kind of like us to sign Trevor Story in the offseason, he’s an upgrade over Churches. Although I can deal with the SS situation as it is now for another season or so. I would like to have been a fly on the wall in the Rockies GM’s office re the rationale for not trading two months of a player that’s leaving anyway and basically doing absolutely nothing to improve an incredibly mediocre team.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

The Athletic is reporting that several GMs said the Rockies demands were too high.

Story is having a down year on both sides of the ball. Have to wonder if the elbow injury is still bothering him. That would explain the lack of velo on this throws from short. I’d bet he bounces back next year with some health and mental clarity.

If I’m the Angels I definitely get aggressive on pitching early. There are so many SS that even the third tier (Semien, Simba) aren’t that bad.

2pints
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

I disagree. Story seems like the exact kind of guy that Arte will throw big money at and then his performance will crater after he has a decent first season. I base this on nothing except the team’s history signing free agents.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  2pints

We’ve heard this Story here before. Many times

Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago

was it wise to send Detmers out vs Oakland? I don’t know if it really matters but I see the Skanks are having HeanDog make his first start for them today vs Baltimore.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago

Was kind of wondering the same thing. From what I gather he made it to Anaheim on Saturday. Better to get the start and nerves out of the way or better to wait for a softer opponent?

WallyChuckChili
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1 year ago

D-Cell is MLB Reliever of the Month!
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Fansince1971
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1 year ago

Sign him for 2 to 3 years please.

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Careful, relievers don’t age well, QO offer for 1-year and turn it over to Bachman Turner Overdrive

Fansince1971
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1 year ago

Still no Angels lineup posted

Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Game is in three hours

Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

or, like in Spinal Tap, he can’t find the right door to the field.

matthiasstephan
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1 year ago

Did he catch the right BART train?

eyespy
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1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

He needs help riding BART to Angels Stadium

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

These things take time…..deciding where to hit 5, possibly 6 .200 hitting auto outs in a MLB lineup is difficult. I personally would draw names from a hat, but even that has become difficult in today’s game, with everyone keeping a sticky-note-pad and other sticky stuff inside them.

Last edited 1 year ago by Twebur
Fansince1971
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1 year ago

Japan came back to win 7-6. What does that remind you of?

Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

don’t mention 7-6. I have no idea what you mean. I don’t remember any 7-6 game in team history or Witt starting the 9th.

Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago

I think the White Sox are an interesting team to study. After 7 straight seasons of being terrible they made some moves in 2020 and immediately got a wild card spot and now are well ahead in the AL Central. How’d they do it? With a payroll less than ours, too. Guess I’ll have to do some research.

62-100, 72-89, 35-25, 62-44. That’s a pretty good progression.

h27kim
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1 year ago

They traded a lot of good players (or rather, players who were good with them in some cases). If you are rebuilding, you gotta be ruthless, I think.

2pints
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1 year ago
Reply to  h27kim

They traded Chris Sale. How would us Halos fans feel if our team had a SP like Sale and then traded him away, only to watch him help the other sox win the WS? This blog would be a bloodbath.

benjiface
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1 year ago

Uniform pictured above should be our primary digs ^^^ 🔥

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Among the MLB leaders in runs next year will make it easier on a young pitching staff.
The Angels pounding the shit out of the opposition’s pitcher every night makes our pitching staff confident and strong like bull. It sucks pitching for us right now, you know they ain’t scoring any runs for you’s and you’d better be near perfect.

Last edited 1 year ago by Twebur
Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Unless it prevents you from signing other needed talent.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

A two win pitcher replacing Q or Bundy has a lot more value to us than a 2 win hitter replacing Iglesias.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Iglesias has been worth exactly 0.0 WAR. he’s not good.

Quintana and Bundy have both each been worth -0.6 because they are horrid. If kept in the rotation longer they would be crossing -1 by now.

My thinking is Marcus Stroman (on track for 2 WAR or more this year) replacing Bundy is a net 3 win difference. Ideally that also reduces the appearances of a Cishek type.

Trevor Story is on track to be worth 2 WAR this year. That would be a net of a 2 WAR difference.

eyespy
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1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Yes. Renny brings up the comment counts and other things

matthiasstephan
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1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

How expensive is a 2-win pitcher? Know any that only make 3M a year (like Iglesias)?

matthiasstephan
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1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

He has been, and had 1.6 fWAR in a shortened 2020 season (0.8 now in 2021). (Same as Corey Seager).

Most players that make 3M though don’t produce that much value, and those that do are young with contracts.

I guess the ? is though, what cost is associated with a 2-win pitcher vs a 2-win position player. Story (per Jeff’s comment) will command 20M.

Mike Minor is pitching 2.0 fWAR and commanding 4M. Cesar Hernandez is also at 2.0 fWAR and is paid 6M. I bet, if we looked at everyone, there would be little correlation between price and performance – people get hurt, lose their way, or overperform or breakout – all the time (especially pitching). Lindor is under 2.0 WAR

eyespy
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1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

I found Arte’s a mole

Last edited 1 year ago by eyespy
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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He’s a mole? That’s one very successful mole that Arte is. Bet he has an amazing story we can all get behind.

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

I’d go like a Brandon Crawford or Galvis. Probably some others. Affordable, cheap 1-yr deal. No need to lock oursleves into a 3-5 year deal when we have SS in the pipeline.

2pints
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1 year ago

After reading the news on Rocker I expected to log in this morning and see all the commenters that were bashing Perry for having passed on Rocker to be here admitting that they were wrong (cough2002heavencough) while also giving credit to Perry for signing 19 of the 20 draft picks. But I don’t see that. Maybe they’re late sleepers, I’ll check back later.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  2pints

Don’t hold your breath…..

benjiface
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1 year ago
Reply to  2pints

Speaking of, what will happen to Rocker? Will he go back to school or sign in the Independent league?

I don’t know the rules on such things

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  benjiface

He (Boras) already stated he was not returning to school.

2pints
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1 year ago

Right. I think his plan is to just stay in shape until next year’s draft. I read that Luke Hochever did the same thing several years ago, then was drafted #1 overall, so there’s some precedence that it can work out for him. If I remember correctly Hochever was also a Boras client, although I may be mixing up the various articles I’ve read on it.

eyespy
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1 year ago
Reply to  2pints

Another Boras guy sat for awhile before signing.
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Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  2pints

Their emotions have transferred to something else they have not fully thought about. They are raging over something equally as poorly thought through. They have forgotten all about their Rocker position.

DowningDude
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1 year ago
Reply to  2pints

Admittedly I wasnt exactly thrilled when I heard bachmanns name called with Kumar Rocker available. I bet 90% were enraged.

After reading some reviews and Turk’s post I softened. It happened within a few hours of the draft.

There was really only One poster who kept beating the rocker drum – many many times. Saying Bachmann was injury prone and projecting to be a reliever. It got pretty nauseating. In his defense he posted a full blown apology and owned his wrongness a few days ago – you missed this apology evidently. This guy is off the hook in my book. He atoned.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

It might take awhile, but eventually the sun will come out and burn off that haze.

MarineLayer
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1 year ago
Reply to  2pints

Happy to admit I was wrong about that. Still think Minisian is not very good at his job.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago

With Trout and Rendon likely out for the rest of the season, why not bring up some AAA guys? What’s the downside? This team is not getting a playoff spot so it would be fun to see.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

In some cases it may mean $ as to the start of starting time on the roster maybe. If Adell brought up and fails miserably again then trading value drops. But to Arte it maybe the look of rebuilding. But it is time to see what we have collected and find out how they look.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I think we’re past the service time $$$ concern point of the season.

ihearhowie3.0
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Outside of Adell who are you thinking? Marsh and Detmers are already up and Rodriguez is probably due at some point soon. Thaiss is here. Ward is hurt.

I’m not sure who the fun prospect is we’re missing out on. Adell wasn’t all that fun to watch last season and if they think his defense or plate discipline is better served developing down there, they are probably correct.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Stepahn. Jack Stefanavicxzyz.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago

Jack Stefan!

That’s who I was thinking about and Adell along with CRod.

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Like Schebler, Jay and Rengifo? Just kidding.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

That would be a fast no.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

The Goal stays the same, to have a .500 record by the end of the season. So here we go, beat a losing team and we will go over .500. Seems about right that we play Texas and keep the routine moving along little Doggies.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

It looks like C Rod was scratched from his last start in Alburcracky over the weekend. Is he hurt again or is he tonights starter in Arlington?

Also anyone know what happened to Jose Rojas? he was optioned to SL a couple of weeks ago and has vaporized into the ether since. The best that i can tell he’s not on the Minor League 7 day IL.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Wow. Interesting. Maybe he starts tonight?

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

July 21, 2021Salt Lake Bees placed 3B Jose Rojas on the 7-day injured list.

Last seen at Dr Nick Riviera office waiting room……….TJS?

red floyd
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

I swear, I think Dr. Nick really IS our team physician…

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Search for a new trainer for 2022……a promotion from AA. 100% certain he’s better than what we have.
https://twitter.com/trashpandas/status/1421621051889442816?s=20

Charles Sutton
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

That guy looks like he can’t even figure out where he is.

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

He’s focused….thinking deeply about injury prevention and healing.

benjiface
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1 year ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Still best athletic trainer/medical staff person in the organization even if what Charles says is true

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

So he’s perfect for the Angels.

WallyChuckChili
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Heard he wins every staring contest he’s in

eyespy
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Dr Nick would never perform such a simple procedure.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
1 year ago

Cobb has said he’d be open to an extension so it seems likely IMO. There needs to be some kind of veteran down there who enjoys Maddon’s style.

Going into the offseason with

Ohtani
Cobb
Detmers
Sandoval

Is a good place to start. Barria/Suarez/Canning as depth. Then go make a trade or two.

halofansince1978
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1 year ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Detmers has a ways to go before he is a Major League pitcher.

Does he have the same gopher ball problem we’ve seen before?

His Major League debut, nerves, small sample, yada yada yada.

Both home run pitches were waist high low nineties and grooved.

He has loads of talent but he’s not ready just like Canning wasn’t.

Lets hope this forever Milb issue doesn’t repeat with our new guys.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
1 year ago

Agree to disagree. Not only is he a more effective piece than someone like Suarez, but his development into a hopeful top of the roation type guy pretty much has to happen at the major league level now. Inferior competition in AA does nothing to make him better and AAA Salt Lake isn’t exactly where we develop pitchers.

AnAngelsFan
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1 year ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

I don’t see how you can include Detmers as a rotation piece after only one start, especially when that start was bad.

The Angels are going into the offseason with Ohtani + Sandoval. They should try to extend Cobb and sign one more high quality starter to give them 4. Then invite 1-3 backend starters or reclamation projects to spring training and let them + Barria/Suarez/Canning/Detmers/C-Rod battle it out for slots 5 and 6.

ihearhowie3.0
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1 year ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Because you don’t trade Andrew Heaney and keep other competitive pieces like Iglesias if you think Detmers isn’t a rotation replacement.

Anyone overreacting to his first big league start in the negative direction should get their head checked. We didn’t send him down to High A after he had a shaky first outing in AA.

halofansince1978
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1 year ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

We traded Heaney because he needed his head checked.

AnAngelsFan
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1 year ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

I didn’t say Detmers should be sent down because of one shaky start. I said, at this time, he shouldn’t be considered among the group of pitchers that will have to compete for a job in spring training rather than among those considered locks for the rotation.

Iglesias has nothing to do with the decision to promote Detmers. Heaney was going to be a free agent and the Angels got an offer for him worth taking. With Heaney gone, it’s worth giving Detmers a shot, regardless of whether Iglesias is still on the team or not.

That said, I do think the Angels will try to extend Iglesias. I believe I saw somewhere he was offered for trade. The fact that he is still on the team means the Angels didn’t get an offer that exceeded the value of the exclusive contract negotiating period that comes with not trading him.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Seems like every year now we’ve said one starter via trade and one via free agency.

If the Angels and Marlins were to complete the Marsh/Meyer swap we could conceivably have Ohtani, Meyer, Detmers, Sandoval, Canning, Barria locked down.

Obviously you want depth and that’s a lot of youth so you bring in Stroman to be an anchor, maybe Cobb if the price is right. That leaves two of Meyer, Detmers, Sandoval, Canning in the minors for depth.

Ohtani, Stroman, Sandoval, Cobb, with a battle royale for the last spot. Barria will be out of options so he’s either last starter or swing man.

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Suarez is on the phone….questioning your Canning pick.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Knew I was missing a name. Does Suarez have options left? We need two or three decent guys with options, for sure.

So my mulligan:

Ohtani, Stroman, Sandoval, Cobb as locks.

Barria, Suarez, Canning, Detmers battling for the last two rotation spots with Barria going to the bullpen if he loses out.

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Not sure about options..
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Rookie Status: Exceeded rookie limits during 2019 season
2021 Contract Status: Pre-Arb Eligible
Service Time (01/2021): 0.160 •  Arb Eligible: 2023 •   Free Agent: 2027

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Ok. I know we got a miracle with Barria this year. He’s definitely out of options after 2021.

Honestly I like Barria better as a starter. I think his mediocre fastball can work to start off the game. But if he follows up a guy who throws 95, his 91 MPH fastball will be very hittable.

halofansince1978
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1 year ago

Team USA up 6-3 over Japan top 6th.

halofansince1978
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1 year ago

Japan came from behind to walk it off in the 10th

Team USA must now win every game to stay in it.

Brent
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1 year ago

Just gotta turn the page.

MH252525
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1 year ago
Reply to  Brent

Besides April games…. I mean the earlier ones in the Olympics don’t really matter. Just have to tip your cap to Japan. Also we are on the phone right now to see what Jeff Mathis is up to.