LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Touching Base

You’d think touching all four bases in the correct order is the easy part of a home run. Ke’Bryan Hayes missed first base and had his homer taken away from him.  Bobby Witt Jr. also supposedly missed home plate in his home run trot.  This one is not so clear cut. 

Injury Related Links

Tony Gonsolin is back off the 60 day injured list

Joey Votto is back off the ten day injured list.

Now Ian Kennedy is on the injured list with a mild hamstring strain.

Our old buddy Joe Smith is on the injured list with right elbow soreness.

Non-Injury Related Links   

Albert Pujols ranks pretty high on the list of outs above average (for the defense while he is batting).  Shocking, I know. 

The old “take your base on a strikeout” trick.  It might have worked if the umpire was Doug Eddings. 

I think the first round goes to the helmet.  Watch those other guys very carefully not laughing. 

Uh oh!  Another formerly injured pitcher showcase is in the works.  This time it’s Brad Peacock.

As might be expected, MLB and the MLBPA consider the lawsuit about the All-Star Game being moved to be frivolous.  

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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eyespy
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8 days ago

Kansas Shitty is kicking some A’ss

Cowboy26
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8 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

Tonite’s AL West scores:

KC Beats the A’ss 6-1
The Chowds beat the Cheaters 12-8
And Jerry’s Kids were beaten by the Kitty Cats 8-3

Are we better off if we don’t play?

Jim Atkins
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8 days ago

Diamondbacks fired their hitting coach and asst hitting coach today. I think we have a good shot at another sweep. Dunk a ball in the pool, Shohei!

angelslogic
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8 days ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

What do you mean? Perry will probably hire them tomorrow.

2002heaven
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8 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

There’s nothing on them.
How much was their signing bonuses for? If theyre any good then they’ll cost more.
Only guy I’ve known about is Jordyn Adams

Twebur
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8 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven
Cowboy26
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8 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Whats disconcerting is that most all these guys are rehabbing injuries. If you add the also injured Kyren Paris & Brandon Marsh damn near all of our young positional talent is hurt and not really progressing.

Twebur
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8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Not playing last year couldn’t have helped..sounds like injuries are the norm for all levels this year.

2002heaven
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7 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

2019……mmm
Nah, we all know who was GM during that time……no thanks!! 😖 

Cowboy26
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8 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Their signing bonuses? Hey 2002, WTF does that even mean?

matthiasstephan
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8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Well, if they were signed for 8M then they are destined for greatness. That is our track record, right?

WallyChuckChili
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8 days ago

But then we’d be out on Vlad Jr.

matthiasstephan
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8 days ago

As long as we sign Trout Jr. Can we lock him up now?

Cowboy26
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7 days ago

Can BAT Pitch?

matthiasstephan
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7 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The son of the GOAT? He can do anything!

2002heaven
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7 days ago

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And then there’s teams like us ( owner doesn’t wanna win! ) 😫  💩 

2002heaven
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7 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Slot money like for this kid David Vassay ( Dodger Talk 570AM ) was talking about on Thursday night tearing it up for Rancho Cucamonga on the Dodger’s A league team. When was the last time we had a top Latin prospect under Arte’s watch since he’s been owner?  😥  😡  👎 

eyespy
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8 days ago
Reply to  Twebur
Cowboy26
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8 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

The whole album? All 3 discs?

Twebur
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8 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

what about the young, speedy, athletic OF than can run……

https://youtu.be/tK20knA3bRY

Jeff Joiner
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8 days ago
Reply to  Brent

Wow.

GrandpaBaseball
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8 days ago
Reply to  Brent

Eye Doctor $2500.00, Baseball on e-bay $50.00.

red floyd
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8 days ago
Reply to  Brent

They showed the dude during the broadcast.

eyespy
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8 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

I seen the guy standing and smiling, but didn’t know the context

2002heaven
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7 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

What, who?
Our 3B when we’re losing 9-1 in the 7th inning? 😆 

steelgolf
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8 days ago
Reply to  Brent

What part of the stadium is that?

Angels2020Champs
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8 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Don julio club

steelgolf
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8 days ago

I thought so. I think the usher raising his hat is a golfing buddy of mine.

steelgolf
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8 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Verified, it was my friend. He said the guy had some blood coming from his eye and needed some medical attention.

eyespy
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8 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

thought he might have starting a pool

Cowboy26
Super Member
8 days ago

Actually that’s the diamond club concourse circa Aisle 116. The Don Julio Club is the box area above that. Its the old press box that cheap Arte moved all of the writers out of so he sell those as “Luxury Boxes”

steelgolf
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8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Arte makes more money off that area AND takes a shot at the Lyle Spencer’s of the world. Can’t say I blame him.

max
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max
8 days ago
Reply to  Brent

At least he dint die

angelslogic
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8 days ago

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Fansince1971
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9 days ago

Can you imagine the comments on this site if an Angel player hit a HR and then was called out for missing 1B?!

Here’s a question for the site – say there was 1 out and bases loaded and a player hit a Grand Slam but misses first base on the homerun trot and is called out. Do the other three runners score? Or do they have to return to their bases?

Angels2020Champs
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9 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

As long as the the “home run” hitter doesn’t pass another runner, those runs will count.

Fansince1971
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8 days ago

So scoring would be an out with 3 RBIs?

And since the ‘homerun’ ball was actually an out, would the runners on base have to tag-up for their runs to count?

Angels2020Champs
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8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Doesn’t the other team have to throw and touch first base (in this case) to get the out?
They scored the pirates play a fly out to the pitcher 🤷🏼‍♂️

eyespy
Super Member
8 days ago

Yes. Keep your mouth shut ubtill the runner leaves the field of play(heads towards the dugout) Get the ball to the pitcher on the mound, toss to first base, player tags bad, “YER’OUT!” is called.

AnAngelsFan
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8 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

On an inside the park home run (or any other live ball) you have to get the ball to the bag and appeal, but a home run over the fence is a dead ball.

In that situation, you wait until the runner heads to the dug out after touching home plate so that the runner has “abandoned his efforts” to run the bases.

eyespy
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8 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

They still appeal. The umpire won’t make a call until they do.

H.T. Ennis
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8 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

How do you appeal if it’s a walk-off, though?

AnAngelsFan
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8 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Well, the box score calls it pitcher to 1st baseman for the out, so they did appeal when the umpire called the play over and gave the pitcher a new ball. I guess on a walk off you ask the umpire for a new ball so you can appeal.

I watched both broadcasts to see what happened, but neither show it. In fact, the Dodgers announcers hilariously had no clue what was happening and were shocked by the out call after the challenge.

The pirates broadcasters weren’t entirely 100% sure, but mentioned the appeal and seemed to suggest it was likely a challenge to touching first on grounds that nobody would waste a challenging reviewing the home run call.

AnAngelsFan
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8 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Found it. Rule 5.09(c)(2), if play ends the half-inning (like a walk-off), the appeal must be made before the defensive team leaves the field.

Also, interestingly, on a dead ball (like an over-the-fence home run), a player may not return to touch a missed base after touching the next one in order. So once Hayes touched second base there was no going back.

Rule 5.09(c)(2) Comment: PLAY—(A) Batter hits ball out of park or ground rule double and misses first base (ball is dead)—he may return to first base to correct his mistake before he touches second but if he touches second he may not return to first and if defensive team appeals he is declared out at first.

H.T. Ennis
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8 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Thanks. But it seems like teams who are walked off on just give up and “walk off”

Obviously this is a one-in-a-thousand-ish case, but still interesting

eyespy
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8 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

They always pay attention, it is someones job, and this doesn’t happen hardly ever.

eyespy
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8 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Looked for it, like a GA, and I never knew that second part. Mahalo A++Fan

eyespy
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8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

No, treat it as a regular home run. The batter became a runner when he committed the infraction.

The play was appealed after the fourth runner plated. Only that runner was affected during this play.

Cowboy26
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8 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

So its a tie ball game and he starts the next half inning as the runner on second base? Got it.

eyespy
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8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

ManBearFred???

eyespy
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8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Runners, as long as they touch all of the bases, score. Dumb ass batter is out. The defence only appeals the individual runner.

Fansince1971
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8 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

Okay. So here’s another hypothetical 😃

Bases loaded, 2 outs. Batter hits one over the fence but fails to touch 1B registering the 3rd out. What happens to the other base runners?

Angels2020Champs
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8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

They all score and when the opposing team challenges the hitter touching 1st base by throwing to and tagging up at 1st themselves, they are out. All the runs scored prior to the out being called, runs count

AnAngelsFan
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8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The batter must reach first base safely or no runs score, so with 2 outs, if the batter doesn’t touch first on a grand slam, 0 runs score. If, however, the batter fails to touch second or third, any runs that scored before the batter was called out would count.

Fansince1971
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8 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

So Grandslam that scores no runs?

AnAngelsFan
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8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

No grand slam. You have to touch all 4 bases to get a HR and you have to touch first to get a hit. The batter-runner is just plain out.

Fansince1971
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8 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I get that – but are you saying that with 2 outs and bases loaded, a ball hit over the fence scores no runs if the batter misses first base? Ie instead of 4 runs, no runs score?

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yes, because no runs can score on a play unless 1) the batter reaches first base safely and 2) there is no force play resulting in the 3rd out. If the batter misses 2nd, 3rd or home, the runs can score, but if he misses first, the runs are wiped away.

This is in the comment to rule 5.08 from the official rules:

APPROVED RULING: Two out, bases full, batter hits home run over fence. Batter, on appeal, is declared out for missing first base. Three outs. No run counts.

Also, here’s a great resource for umpire questions: http://www.stevetheump.com/scoring_runs.htm#:~:text=Though%20this%20is%20a%20tag,place%20after%20the%20missed%20base.

Last edited 8 days ago by AnAngelsFan
Fansince1971
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8 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Great info. Thank you. That’s pretty amazing- can you imagine?

Fleckstein
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8 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

The first base/homer equivalent of “Merkle’s Boner”

eyespy
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8 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

WoW, thanks again

MarineLayer
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9 days ago

Hayes missing first base on the HR that wasn’t a HR is such a fantastic failure of epic proportions. Right up there with the Jose Canseco fly ball off his head that became a HR. The cosmic balance has finally evened up, and it’s one of the many reasons I love baseball so much.

Last edited 9 days ago by MarineLayer
eyespy
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8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Jo “Hey, I did it twice.”

GrandpaBaseball
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9 days ago

Have you ever tried something and worked hard with it to improve it and it works to perfection? As time moves along the accolades keep coming and then one it is producing must less, but you are stubborn and feel since it has always worked you are just in a slump.

Anthony Rendon maybe experiencing that as currently his swing is a mess. Every now and then his swing get lucky and good things happen, but not often enough and my thought as watching him closely this season is that changing his approach a bit.

We have referred to his starting stance as “Droopy Drawers” or Poopy Draws” ( We are a class act here are we not). Then he will switch to a “normal” stance and then swing. But watch closely to two things taking place. First is he is slow on the fastball to converting from one stance to the other and thus a very late swing and miss. Even in the times his second stance is on time he misses the ball by quite a bit with his swing and chases very bad pitches as he is reacting to slowly. Now middle in or middle low he will hurt you, but middle high and all away especially low he just can’t handle right now. My approach as a coach wood be to just start in a normal type stance and you will have more time to recognize the pitch and be able to adjust your swing with your hands to make contact.

MarineLayer
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9 days ago

For whatever reason it is, I’m glad you’ve pointed out just how awful our latest huge contract has been. Regardless of the reason (I’ve heard slow recovery from an injury), he needs to return to the IL or at least dropped to the bottom of the lineup, as he has become quite a rally killer.

For the life of me, I can’t understand why we keep paying huge money for the success of players on other teams while in their prime, while we get the “droopy drawers” end of their career at huge money.

Fansince1971
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Disagree with the concept of putting Rendon back on IL. Rendon is an asset for his defense alone. He is a stud at 3B. He will figure out his timing on his swing but needs to be playing every day to do that.

Last edited 8 days ago by Fansince1971
GrandpaBaseball
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8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Is he not performing well right now in the field because of said injuries? His top notch fielding has of late been very ordinary. Balls hit to him he is fine with but to his left he can’t get to and to his right his is no Brooks either. I will accept the fact he has been injured and this is stifling his play and hitting. But we really need to drop him down the line up until he is back to normal.

eyespy
Super Member
8 days ago

He’s not that hurt, lingering(?), to go on the IL. He needs someone to kick him in his bigboote.

Fansince1971
Super Member
8 days ago

Rendon’s timing is slightly off. He has a hybrid slide/toe tap stride that requires a fair amount of timing. That stride timing is slightly off right now – probably due to two stints on the IL and maybe some nagging pain. If he were a young player developing a swing, I agree that it might be worth tinkering. But this is a hitter that has routinely proven himself to be elite when his timing is on. I have said this over and over, I am not worried about Rendon. He will work hard to get that timing back and when he does, he will once again return to elite hitter status.

H.T. Ennis
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8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Maybe we should so fans don’t start hating him for 1/3 a season of performance. I’m a little upset for the guy at the moment

FungoAle
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8 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

*THIS*. I have no issue with Rendon, happy he is on the team.

eyespy
Super Member
8 days ago

He would not listen to you.

Tony’s poopy pants stance “is him”. He does it for no other reason than “for him”.

There is no way it goes away unless Ted Frickin’ Williams Head tells him in person to wipe it clean and change that act.

He had listened to someone, and started that level swing a week ago, but now he is back to that wrist action uppercut. Roll over or pop-up, I didn’t miss those when they traveled up North.

He seems to transition his body well from droop to load, but his hands stay too low, and are at a bad position stuck between his hips and the bottom of his ribs and he gets funky rotaion on the ball. Weak with limited control. He can either top the ball, uppercut the ball, or get lucky with the ball on a weak grounder that gets through the infield someway.

He is enjoying his hair, you should to.

tommyshalo
Trusted Member
8 days ago

I am also worried, but seems that there are some better things happening.

Anthony Rendon in June

.310/.355/.414
117 wRC+
3 2B
2 BB
3 SO#Angels

— Jared Tims (@Jared_Tims) June 9, 2021

Simba
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8 days ago
Reply to  tommyshalo

Including last night’s game, now 4 2Bs and 11 rbis in 8 games of June.

AnAngelsFan
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8 days ago
Reply to  Simba

I don’t care how nice you try to dress it up, it is a cold hard fact that Rendon has been worse at the plate than Upton in June.

Simba
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8 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

J Up .360, 4 HRs, 8 rbis.

So “Yay” for both of them???

H.T. Ennis
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8 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I mean…this is like saying that X is a worse baseball player than Mike Trout.

AnAngelsFan
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8 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Yes, it is exactly like saying that, which is why I thought the joke would be obvious.

H.T. Ennis
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8 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Sorry! =) I’m sticking to my guns.

In context, not obvious =)

AnAngelsFan
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7 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Considering there are several comments that thought I was being serious, I must agree the evidence indicates it wasn’t obvious.

I’ll take it as a sign that I might have a better poker face than I thought.

Fansince1971
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

This is not a valid point in my opinion. Since Rendon joined the Halos he has been far superior to Upton. In the short sample size you reference, Upton has been better. But such commentary and comparisons require large samples.

Cowboy26
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8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

No legs = No power. But I’d rather have a legless Anthony Rendon than the return of Zack Cozart

matthiasstephan
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8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

So, a legless 3B or a shoulderless SS?

eyespy
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8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I cheer for the now and chastise whenever I have the feels to.

eyespy
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

JUp is #1. #1’s always perform as top, that is why they are number one.

GrandpaBaseball
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Good Morning, How about our Angels? 7-3 in last ten, 6-1 in last 7 and the pen is holding it together until they don’t.

On a down note is our defense as it rates first with the most errors. But Wong made a sensational play in RF again but the sensational belong to of all people, JUp for a butt slide an reach back catch.

The underdog I am pulling for the most right now is Taylor Ward who gives his all every night but seems to hit the ball at someone. When he and Fletch get it going it is going to be firework down at the bottom.

Cowboy26
Super Member
8 days ago

He also can’t track a fly ball

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