A’s @ Angels 05/22/2021 Gamethread

It’s a new day.

A’s Lineup: Canha 7, Chapman 5, Laureano 8, Olson 3, Pinder DH, Lowrie 4, Piscotty 9, Andrus 6, Garcia 2. Bassitt 1.

Angels Lineup: Iglesias 6, Ohtani DH, Rendon 5, Walsh 3, Upton 7, Rojas 9, Lagares 8, Suzuki 2, Fletcher 4. Sandoval 1.

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LAAFan
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4 months ago

Have the paper bags started showing up at the Big A yet?

ihearhowie3.0
Trusted Member
4 months ago

It really does feel pointless. Can you imagine if the Dodgers or Yankees were this bad in a year they were trying to win and the beat writers not hammering them every day?

Blow it up or sell the team.

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

As I was so eloquently reminded by Jed york as a 49ers fan, you don’t fire owners (after he said everyone was accountable in the organization).

I understand the want to blow it up but that basically means trading away Shohei and Trout (otherwise known as the only players available to purchase merch from in the team stores) so I don’t see that happening.

I guess we have to embrace the suck and enjoy the occasional personal or team success.

Cowboy26
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

You can’t get beat up if the team has no beat writers. The decision by the Times, the Register (SC News group), The Athletic and other publications to no longer dedicate a full time journalist to this team should be enough of an indictment especially when considering the Angels have not one but 2 generational players.

For an advertising man, maybe the threat of becoming completely irrelevant will be too much to bear and he’ll finally unload this team.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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4 months ago

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MikeSalmon
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4 months ago

Quote from Maddon after tonight’s loss, the 9th in 12 games. We have the worst ERA and defense. Apparently Iglesias forgot how to play SS when he got traded to us, and yet, note the discerning, deeply penetrating analysis of manager Maddon here:

“It’s frustrating, no question it is,” manager Joe Maddon said of the recent skid. “But I’ve been around it before. To me, these guys need to see and feel my support. They need to see my consistency in order for us to come out the other side, and that’s my overarching game plan when I walk in the door every day.
“I can’t fault their work and their energy. I’m watching it. I see it.”

So: Just “see” his support, consistency and game plan. He, in turn, “sees” their work and energy.

Glad we got that straightened out! I imagine the players physically “see” Joe, but they’re not looking for the support (where is it? hidden?), consistency (under his cap? take off yer cap, Joe!), and game plan (nail it to the bulletin board, Joe, they might “see: it there?).

What is “see” a metaphor for here?

(Quotes from Mike DiGiovanna’s article about the game at the LA Times)

Last edited 4 months ago by MikeSalmon
Senator_John_Blutarsky
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4 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

Our 2021 Los Angeles Angels….

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Fansince1971
Super Member
4 months ago

Honestly I’m tired of it. In the 70s and 80s at least we knew what we were getting. Years like ‘79 and ‘86 were special and unexpected. The rest of the time we were mediocre and we lived with it.

That was then, this is now. This team is maddening as it continues to get worse with the best player in baseball and Ohtani, Rendon not to mention Fletch and Walsh. This team should be decent but it’s terrible.

I keep coming to the same conclusion. It’s not working. It hasn’t been working. I don’t see how it’s going to change. The only conclusion I reach is to blow it up.so we suck for a few years. It can’t be any worse than this.

LAAFan
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4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The rest of the team (minus C-Rod) is AAA quality. 20 holes on a 26 man team.

Fansince1971
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4 months ago
Reply to  LAAFan

Exactly. I hate the idea of rebuilding. But what are the choices? We have given this experiment 6 seasons. Nothing changes. Time to pull the ripcord in my opinion.

LAAFan
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4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Ohtani hitting bombs into McCovey Cove will be fun I guess.

Fleckstein
Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

1987-2001 were pretty rough years, and 1995 maddening. I still don’t think the ball thrown in from the bullpen in the one-game playoff was the correct one in the disastrous 7th inning.

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Fleckstein

We only scored one runs in that ‘95 tie breaker. We werent winning regardless

Fansince1971
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Fleckstein

1987-2001 were rough – that’s a 14 year span.

So go back 14 years and we are in 2007. That was a great team as was 2008 and 2009. Then we had some additional decent years leading to 2014 – a team that should have gone deep in the playoffs.

Bottom line – we were very spoiled from 2002 through 2014. So it’s ‘only’ been 7 years of suck. We may be in the middle of a suckage cycle.

Fansince1971
Super Member
5 months ago

Dodgers have not lost since they signed Pujols. This has really been an awful stretch of years to be an Angel fan.

steelgolf
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Usually how it works when your team is built around pitching and not “best athlete available”.

Fansince1971
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Agree. That pitching staff is the subject of my jealousy.

MarineLayer
Trusted Member
5 months ago

As a fan since ‘61, I have a no trade clause but wish I didn’t. I’ve never felt as hopeless as a fan until this year. There is nothing that is going to turn this around. Ever. Adding contemptible Hunter Strickland to the mix is the cherry on top.

Fansince1971
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

That’s what I’m saying. In the modern game if you are stuck in the middle it never changes. It’s time to blow it up and then rebuild with a 5 year plan. Top 5 draft picks for a few years. Rebuild the farm. Start over.

eyespy
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Ha-Ha. Rebuild the team, it’s funny because Arte owns the team

Twebur
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Stick it out with us, Angel fans unite, honor that no trade clause, you earned it.

“Never Gonna Give You Up” -Rick Astley

But, no trade clauses are dropped all the time.

Cause I’m free to do what I want any old time
And I’m free to be who I choose any old time
I say love me, hold me
Love me, hold me
‘Cause I’m free. -The Soup Dragons

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

The Soup Dragons!!??? How old are you?

Twebur
Super Member
4 months ago

Old enough to know both the Rolling Stones and the Soup Dragons.

Old enough to know we will be much, much older before this shitty team is worth getting excited about. Old enough to know this is actually one of the worst teams in baseball. Old enough to know that it’s bad enough that Trout being traded is very likely in the coming years.

Old enough to know The Soup Dragons version of that song is better.

Angels2020Champs
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5 months ago

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Twebur
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4 months ago

Fatty.

bradllee424
Trusted Member
5 months ago

Okay, out for the night. Can’t wait for Mondays off day. Get a break from watching this garbage.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
5 months ago

tonight feels like one of those nights where we don’t get a postgame thread.

bradllee424
Trusted Member
5 months ago

Is it possible this team can’t just forfeit the rest of the games and start moving on to next season? Really would help with not having to watch this on a nightly basis knowing what the outcome is going to be before the game starts.

LAAFan
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5 months ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Because next season is going to be the same story.

Angels2020Champs
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5 months ago
Reply to  LAAFan

trAdition

bradllee424
Trusted Member
5 months ago
Reply to  LAAFan

Depends. If Moreno likes not having any fans in the stands then he can just continue his shitty ways. Fans need to stop supporting this team. Also, if you want to sign a petition to oust Moreno please do. Go to change.org. Get enough signatures to at least show him we are sick of him.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  bradllee424

I could be wrong. I could always be wrong. But I think if Arte started losing money his reaction wouldn’t be to spend to put a better team on the field. It would be to shed salaries, leaving us with an even worse situation…a Pittsburgh type of thing.

LAAFan
Trusted Member
5 months ago

I feel like he’d sign a shiny new toy, pat himself on the back and go back to his cave.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  LAAFan

The only plausible option is for Arte to buy the Diamondbacks to stay close to his beloved Arizona. To enable that, he’d need to sell the Angels. Other than that, he not going anywhere.

eyespy
Super Member
4 months ago

He will never lose money. He may go as far to break even, but he will never lose money. That is why he has the blackouts. All that TV money gold he collects on a regular basis.

eyespy
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  bradllee424

It is something to do. They will come. He may even raise the ticket prices on his resales, just like the travel industry is doing now. Charge more for less.

People feel they were trapped and that is their right to go and travel to do things. People just need to do things.

MH252525
Trusted Member
5 months ago

At least I bet on the A’s tonight, and also parlayed it with the Dodgers going against Kazmir pitching for the first time since 2016. Can’t believe the Dodgers were only moderate favorites.

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  MH252525

What’s that mean to those that hate losing money more than winning it?

FungoAle
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  MH252525

Nice, love a winning parlay. Kazmir was decent today.

MH252525
Trusted Member
5 months ago

Also the thing about Upton. World class athlete, can’t be bothered to become even a decent defensive OF. Should have avoided a player like that like the plague. No desire to actually win games, just get personal stats.

AllenB
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5 months ago
Reply to  MH252525

And he’s not even doing that. He’s got Pujols numbers.

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  AllenB

In salary and lack of production? Not that distinguished a list in halo history unfortunately

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  MH252525

But his brother was drafted blank blank by Tampa bay in blank Ot whatever crap they put on the scoreboard when upton is up

steelgolf
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  MH252525

And yet, he is still a better option than Nava/Gentry, Ibanez, etc

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
5 months ago

Philly G!!!!

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
5 months ago

Our closer (of games ended batting in bottom 9th)

angelslogic
Super Member
5 months ago

Iglesias, Rendon, Walsh, and Upton are 0-15. Not a winning formula.

MH252525
Trusted Member
5 months ago

Upton is basically just a slightly worse hitting Pujols that is an even worse defender. Yea he’s owed one more year, is that the only thing making the Angels hold on to him at this point?

clover_black
Member
5 months ago
Reply to  MH252525

Prob a great clubhouse guy

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  clover_black

The best I’ve heard

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  clover_black

I think he is, actually. I was very impressed by him after Skaggs passed away. Heaney, too.

eyespy
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  MH252525

Yes. Only allowed to pay only so much to non members of the team. Dropping JUp would put us way over that threshold. JUp will need to earn his keep.

Christie2002
Member
5 months ago

The sad thing is…I really do love this team. It’s been a part of my life for my WHOLE life. We DO have talent..but something is seriously wrong…ownership is killing it…does not care about outcomes. I will always be an Angels fan…ALWAYS…even when being critical of them.

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Christie2002

We don’t have a lot of talent my man

Christie2002
Member
5 months ago

You see things your way and I’ll see them my way…

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Christie2002

Christie, I think you’re right about Arte and not caring about the outcomes. Sure, he’d like to win but his financial way.

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Christie2002

Maybe I’d just like an expansion of what you see as talent past trout, Ohtani and Walsh

eyespy
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Christie2002

The bottom line babe, that is the goal in business and in life, and this is 100% business

Christie2002
Member
5 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

“babe”?

eyespy
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Christie2002

Buis talk. Sorry if I offended you, but probably not

Christie2002
Member
5 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

Just a bit taken aback by it, that’s all. Yes, it is a business. But running it this poorly eventually leads to more losses (monetary)…as fans like me chose to not go to the park, buy merchandise, etc…

eyespy
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Christie2002

The thing with the merch is. Arte gets the same take to matter what is bought. Angels gear, dats money. New Your Yankees baseball gear, dats money. Plus he never has to give a discount to the other teams gear to liquidate unpopular names from the inventory.

Cowboy26
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Christie2002

Ruth? CHP?

bradllee424
Trusted Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Christie2002

We all need to be critical of them right now. This team needs to know that fans will not stand for this type of player every single season. I have been a fan since 1982 and the last 10 years have been extremely hard to watch.

Christie2002
Member
5 months ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Fully agree. I did not say to not be angry or critical of them. There have been very few “fun” years as an Angels fan.

bradllee424
Trusted Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Christie2002

Before I die, I would like to see another repeat of the 2000’s. Those were fun years.

Christie2002
Member
5 months ago
Reply to  bradllee424

The way April started, I felt we could see another 2002 season…and then Trout got injured and the wheels fell off and rolled away.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Christie2002

it all went bad with the snowout vs KC or, this year, the covid-out vs Minnesota

Christie2002
Member
5 months ago

Yes, that is when things turned…plus the injuries coming after that rainy game in Florida against Blue Jays…then we went to KC…

bradllee424
Trusted Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Christie2002

Can’t have your best player go out and expect to win.

Christie2002
Member
5 months ago
Reply to  bradllee424

With the money spent on some of these guys…? A team has to find a way and a will to win even when the best player goes out. As was mentioned earlier in the thread…”these guys are mentally defeated”…it’s evident in their body language throughout the game. If they’re just there for the money, then it says a lot about them…the fans deserve better…but Arte has made it his hallmark that he is willing to pay big bucks for no return…Wells, Wilson, Hamilton, Pujols, Upton… and many more. So we keep getting more of the same.

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
5 months ago

More comment more comments what’s next after trusted member?!?

eyespy
Super Member
5 months ago

You are not allowed to ask such questions nave

clover_black
Member
5 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

Is this a caste system here?

eyespy
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  clover_black

I shouldn’t even reply to you, only single named member but yes. and where is your pittance?

clover_black
Member
5 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

I demand to be forever a “newbie” .. “member” is cramping my style

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
5 months ago

fun Strickland stat: by giving up a run in an inning and a third tonight Strickland lowered his Angels ERA from 7.71 to 7.36.

Fansince1971
Super Member
5 months ago

Another pitcher who comes here and sucks.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I hope the deal really was for cash and not a ptbnl.

FungoAle
Super Member
5 months ago

Should have traded Noe Ramirez for him. Twice in the same year…

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
5 months ago

JpUjols uP right now