LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Bad Q

Good morning Angels fans? How do you feel today? That bad huh? Well, have some links anyway.

Angels News

The Angels lost to the Rangers yesterday. The nerve. Q was bad again, the offense didn’t do much, and the ump sucked.

Jack Mayfield was claimed off waivers. The infielder went from Houston to Atlanta to Anaheim to Seattle. All in a few months. Long road trip for him.

Fangraphs gush about Ohtani again. Yay! Also other stuff.

Around Baseball

Hector Rondon retires. The reliever spent 8 years in the majors but couldn’t get anything this season.

Another retirement. This time reliver Jerry Blevins.Was great vs leftys. Could have used him.

Trade time. NYY traded Mike Tauchman to the Giants for Wandy Peralta. Not earth shattering or anything.

The youngest Molina brother is on the 10 day IL. He had caught a ton of innings but has a foot strain.

Luis Robert goes on the IL for flu like symptoms. Might be precautionary or that is a really bad flu.

Dodgers place two more players on the IL. Angels get healthy and everyone else gets injured.

Yonder Alonso joins MLB Network. Right from playing to TV work, wow.

Hate the new extra innings rule? Well Manfred made the pioneer league decide games with a home run derby. Yep. Man hates baseball and needs to be stopped.

Fangraphs analyze how the new ball has impacted things.

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes.

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rspencer
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18 days ago

I’m not putting this forth as an excuse for last night or for the Angels’ general underperformance, but I am constantly annoyed with just how bad the ball/strike calls have been on a consistent basis this season. Was it Ron Kulpa last night? He was consistently calling low outside balls as strikes for us, but not nearly as often for Texas. I remember at least once that it forced Fletcher to swing at such a ball for strike 3, because it was in the same place as the ball out of the zone called for strike 2.

H.T. Ennis
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18 days ago
Reply to  rspencer

Kulpa was terrible, and he was probably only the third-worst or so game last night.

https://twitter.com/UmpScorecards/status/1387410413545877514

State of umpiring is in shambles right now. This is not a dig at umpires, because I know how hard it is. Just a comment on the fact that there is a huge gap between what the fans think umpiring quality should be and what it is right now.

JackFrost
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18 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Not sure it is as “hard” as you are saying. It is hard to be perfect. But we are not asking for perfection, only consistency.

We want a low outside pitch to be called a strike for BOTH SIDES if you’re going to call it at all. Just fairness, I think that is all most of us want.

If you talk to the players themselves they say the same thing. If a HP Ump has a wide strike zone they just want it to be wide for both teams. But this is usually not what is happening.

Last edited 18 days ago by JackFrost
H.T. Ennis
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18 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Genuine question: so Kulpa missed one pitch in his established strike zone, per the graphic. Consistency higher than league average. Were you fine with last night’s zone?

JackFrost
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18 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

To be honest, I did not watch on TV but followed with mlb.com Gameday.

What I saw there (it is sometimes good to “watch” a game this way because you become more aware of how really bad a lot of these ball/strike calls are) confirmed what rspencer was saying. Fletcher, Pujols, etc. Alot of our guys had balls called strikes against them and then immediately started swinging out of the zone, which is natural.

To answer your question, it was noticeably bad.

Last edited 18 days ago by JackFrost
JackFrost
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18 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Also, not sure what “established strike zone” means. How long does it take to “establish” the K zone. While this is happening do we forgive the “mistakes” re: the traditional zone?

To me it looked like he missed more than one call. For sure.

Last edited 18 days ago by JackFrost
H.T. Ennis
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18 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

the smallest polygonal area that can contain all of the pitches that were called a strike”

he expanded the zone and didn’t call anything a ball inside what he established. that’s consistency.

and that kind of consistency sucked af.

So no, consistency is not and should not be all that we ask for from umpires.

JackFrost
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18 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Good point. We don’t want them to be consistently bad (even though it might be consistent, lol!).

Ideally, they would make calls that are in accordance with the knees to armpits zone (traditional). Seems that is not happening. The width of the zone however seems to be more problematic than the height.

Last edited 18 days ago by JackFrost
rspencer
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17 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Jack and H.T., thanks for your sensible and highly informative responses.

JackFrost
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18 days ago
Reply to  rspencer

Your complaint is legit. It is not an excuse. What you say about hitters expanding their zone and swinging at bad pitches after a ball has been called a strike is absolutely true and a good observation on your part.

In fact, most pitchers are smart enough to notice a pattern when the HP ump gives them those gifts and they keep pitching outside the zone,just outside the edges of the K Zone KNOWING they’ll get the call. That is a HUGE advantage.

Last edited 18 days ago by JackFrost
Jeff Joiner
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18 days ago

Maddon says Pena is ready but holding him down is a baseball decision.

Is Maddon seeing the same Claudio we are?

Mia
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Mia
18 days ago

Stassi is back tonight with Cobb on the hill, let’s get that series W!

Twebur
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18 days ago
Reply to  Mia

2 of 3….and repeat.
With shitty pitching like we have, it will be hard to get on many winning streaks.

losangel
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18 days ago

Cool chart of all time Angel position player WAR leaders.

https://twitter.com/BetweenTheNums/status/1387147276792078340?s=20

benjiface
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18 days ago
Reply to  losangel

This is awesome. Thanks for sharing.

Jeff Joiner
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18 days ago
Reply to  losangel

That is awesome. Thanks for sharing it.

FungoAle
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18 days ago
Reply to  losangel

Better than the Kentucky Derby, was waiting for the guy Trout to round the 4th turn and blow away the field. But he actually lapped everyone. MIKE “Fing” TROUT!

Last edited 18 days ago by FungoAle
rspencer
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18 days ago
Reply to  losangel

It’s so nice to see the names of so many of my favorite players pass by, especially Albie Pearson, the number one reason I became an Angels fan instead of a Dodgers fan. And watching Fregosi stay at number two position is really nice, as he is the number two reason I root for the Angels today. I still remember how ANGRY I was when they traded Fregosi away, although I did get over that pretty quickly.

red floyd
Super Member
18 days ago

And now, completely unrelated to baseball…

RIP to Major Gen. Michael Collins. Collins was the command module pilot on Apollo 11, among his many other achievements.

All of my childhood heroes are passing.

Cowboy26
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18 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

Buzz is still buzzing

Mia
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Mia
18 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

And hopefully still punching flat-earthers.

rspencer
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

I have always considered Collins to have been the bravest member of the Apollo 11 crew, because he was faced with the possible decision to leave the other two behind if something went wrong. And his daughter was a big part of the soap All My Children back when I was watching it as a youngster, which I got a big kick out of.

Twebur
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18 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

What a life and truly a great American.

WallyChuckChili
Trusted Member
18 days ago

To be fair to Q, the Angels haven’t shutout anyone this year and 1 run production isn’t going to win a game for the Angels. If Q gets the 9 runs the Angels pit on the board the day before, we win. Q went 5 innings giving up 1 run in his April 21st start vs Texas. For an Angel that is a Quality Start. I don’t think Q is trash just yet. He needs runs support, something we all knew our pitching would need from our Offense 1st team

steelgolf
Trusted Member
18 days ago

Ya gotta plate them lobsters.

Jeff Joiner
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Super Member
18 days ago

Year after year after year we sign a guy thinking he’ll be 180 innings of meh just to see him implode and suck. Why? Because we have none of those guys on our farm.

People talk about the Dodgers payroll but Buehler, Kershaw, Gonsolin, Urias, and May all came up through their minor league system. Meanwhile the Angels are signing the likes of Teheran and Q.

Fansince1971
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Exactly! The closest (and it’s not even close) example for the Angels is Chris Rodriguez.

2002 does not happen without Lackey and Francisco Rodriguez.

And the crazy thing is the Dodgers have done it mostly without top-10 draft picks.
That’s what a baseball organization does for a team.

The Angels remain a marketing-first organization not a baseball-first. By comparison a team like the Dodgers has invested heavily in player evaluation and development which results in Bueler, Urias, May, Kershaw etc.

The comparison results in the conclusion that there is no comparison. See links below:

https://www.mlb.com/angels/team/front-office

https://www.mlb.com/dodgers/team/front-office

Last edited 18 days ago by Fansince1971
Cowboy26
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18 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Uh you forgot Troy Percival, Brendan Donnelly (Minor league Free agent in 2001) Scott Schoeneweis, Scot Shields, Ramon Ortiz & staff ace Jarrod Washburn. All home grown pitchers that made up an integral part of a World Series Champion pitching staff.

Compare that to 2021’s Homegrown Griffin Canning, Shohei Ohtani, Chris Rodriguez (Possibly Reid Detmers) . Even with Shohei thats no contest. So basically we’re screwed.

Fansince1971
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yep! I did the readers digest version.

Jeff Joiner
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Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Add elite player development to large market/budget and you get the monster that is the current Dodgers.

The Angels have to fill so many holes each year that they can’t fill them all with elite talent. The Dodgers needed one pitcher, so they got the best out there. We needed 2 starters, an entirely new bullpen, a short stop, a catcher and a right fielder. So we got meh pretty much across the board.

Fansince1971
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Correct. It starts with the organization which includes player development. Look at Adell’s defense. Need I say more?

Last edited 18 days ago by Fansince1971
GrandpaBaseball
Trusted Member
18 days ago

Good Morning, new day and last night is behind us. Well Q was behind a Mia Q (Question), why not give Sandoval Quintana’s next start. Why Not? Q is just another mess of course, just like Teheran or Harvey or Cahil. Sandoval (Sandoval = Sandy) can use the work and the results may remain the same but but the experience is very valuable. I think pitching Sandy is a great idea.

toad2065
Member
18 days ago

I have to disagree Grandpa. In my mind, Canning, Rodriguez, Sandoval should all be ticketed for regular AAA duty. They all have major league “stuff” but having been rushed in desperation to the bigs, they haven’t learned to pitch! This is how you “develop” major leaguers.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Trusted Member

What the hell is a “Slozak”? One of the creatures from “Land of the Lost”? Q sure made the guy look like Ty Cobb (no relation to our Cobb).

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JackFrost
Trusted Member
18 days ago

Yeah!!! Love it. Those guys were so funny. They moved slower than turtles, didn’t carry weapons, and were not in the least bit scary, and yet they were supposed to pose some sort of threat…

But isn’t it spelled “Sleestak” or “Sleestack. ??

Last edited 18 days ago by JackFrost
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