In further minor league destruction, the Staten Island Yankees have ceased operations and are suing the Yankees and Major League Baseball for making false promises.
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Zach Rymer predicts that the Angels will trade for Sean Newcomb at the winter meetings. Here are a bunch of projected payroll savings because of the non-tenders. The Angels are at $8.1 Million. Joe Gatto signed with the Rangers. It’s a Major League deal, so he doesn’t have to worry about Minor League destruction. These are some non-tendered players who might help out the Angels.
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Kim Ng will compete with Perry Minasian for those bullpen arms out there. Right handed reliever John Gant signed a deal with the Cardinals, thereby avoiding arbitration. Mark Kotsay is the new third base coach for Oakland. The Dodgers acquired Corey Knebel from the Brewers for a player to be named later or cash. The Mariners agreed to a minor league deal with Sam Travis. Thomas Eshelman cleared waivers and elected free agency. The Twins and Taylor Rogers avoided arbitration by signing a deal. Right hander Joe Ross reached a one year deal with the Nationals. Indians reliever Cam Hill has wrist surgery after a car accident. Chad Pinder and Burch Smith signed with the Athletics, avoiding arbitration.
Eight ball says “No Fing way” to the signing of Bauer. To much is still uncertain in regards to the 2021 season and the COVID-19 issues. MLB may not start until June 1st with Spring Training. With that said some team(s) will go 30mil per with Bauer, they can’t help themselves by trying to lay off. It will be cool to see what we come up with. So where does Puig play now?……….
That Angels Twitter thing was started by a guy who runs an IG fan page. And then it took off
We signed now Ex-Ray’s pitcher not SNELL!!!
Yeah… Jake Faria
Yippee?
JAKE FARIA! We did it! Now all Callaway has to do is make it 2017 again! Is EASY!
Angels Twitter got #BauerToAnaheim trending on Twitter overnight.
I’m getting flashbacks to the 72 hours we freaked out before Cole signed in NY.
Either the breadcrumbs lead to something, or it’s all a massive troll job. 🤷🏻♀️
My guess is:
The Angels have been in contact with Bauer and have offered a significant deal, but one that is not quite what Bauer and his agent want.
Bauer and his agent are both trying to rile up the Angels’ fan base to clamor for him, so that they are putting pressure on Arte/Minasian to sweeten their deal and give him what he wants and sign his deal.
At first I just assumed it was trolling, but the consistency of their messages (both Bauer and his agent), to me, suggest that there is something going on.
That is a damn fine theory there, my friend.
I mean I am sure there are multiple offers from multiple teams. But we know Arte’s style – he likes to go hard and do more of a “take it or leave it” type of deal, wanting a quick resolution. So it would make sense, to me, that there is probably a proposal and counter-proposal of some kind, with a short time frame of acceptance, and Bauer’s camp is trying to put some pressure on Arte instead.
Or, of course, it could just be Bauer and his agent messing around and trying to have some other team bid more heavily, with the Angels not involved in the picture at all. I could see that too.
They will use The Angels interest to leverage more money/ years from The Mets or Yankees. There is a new rivalry brewing in Mew York and Mr Cohen is set for a money pissing contest with the Steinbrenner family.
That does seem all the more likely
The Yankees are reportedly aiming to go below the luxury tax and actually have some financial issues. I don’t think Bauer is going to the Yankees.
To the Mets, maybe, but I see the Mets as more likely to sign Springer, Realmuto, and perhaps some other middle tier options, as their rotation is fairly strong already.
Try as I might, I just can’t see Arte at $35+ AAV for Bauer, who is not as good as Cole, when we need probably two SP and three RP. Not my money, and he did get a nice land financing deal from my employer, so DO IT CHEAP ARTE.
No one should pay Bauer 35mil AAV. Bauer’s career line falls more along the Zack Wheeler / Patrick Corbin caliber of pitcher, not Cole.
Those two averaged around 22-25mil AAV. I would go 25-27mil AAV for Bauer, but nothing beyond that. If some other team wants to offer more, then let them have him.
Fair enough, MLBTR predicts $32mil AAV (LAD), still too much.
Yeah, I’d pass at that level, too. As I said, I’d do 25-27mil AAV, but if someone else wants to exceed that, then they can go for it.
Plausible. Bauer is savvier with social media than most ppl and no reason he shouldn’t take it’s advantage to gain a bargaining leverage.
What happens when you throw a 1000mph fastball? A lot, apparently.
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1335335264022097923
Even better. What happens when you throw a baseball at 90% of the speed of light.
https://what-if.xkcd.com/1/
tossers
Trout catches up to that. Guaranteed.
Homer just right of dead center.
Off of Adell’s glove?
Before or after it bounces of Canseco’s head?
Lil’Davie fouls it off, now 0-2, and then walks
Figured this was coming……
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30451357/mlb-sues-insurance-providers-cites-billions-losses-related-covd-19
I knew this was the plan. Not surprised they waited until a vaccine was on the horizon. Now they won’t have to share any of the money with anyone, and we will never know the amount.
Be mindful. Stay poor. Stay bored. Stay isolated. Stay miserable. Stay safe. Don’t fight it. Why should the MLB get out of all this “fifteen days to flatten the curve” fun? Who will they sue when no one has the money to go to any games until 2023, or only online retailers are left to purchase ads at games, or inflation makes it so a hot dog’s real cost is ten times what it was in 2019? We’ve all got a bowl of bullets to chew on, MLB will probably have to bite theirs too.
I’d love to see some updated IIWPM posts by our revered writers now that we have a SS and have non-tendered multiple guys
Readership is slow in the weekends so it probably won’t happen until next week. I can update my draft over the weekend and at least one other staff writer is researching his article. There will be more articles coming out, never fear.
I wanted to redo mine the moment I published it. Can’t believe I backed off my long term Adell/Manning trade at the last minute.
Mulligan, Mulligan!
Lmao
You must listen to alot of radio
The Braves have excess starting pitching and Minasian knows their staff well. Newcomb’s value is low right now. I wonder if the Braves would want to sell low on him.
FWIW Jim Bowden at The Athletic has us trading Marsh and Detmers for Snell. He claims Detmers has front of the rotation possibility.
The Braves were the first place I thought he would shop.
If Detmers can be that good, and can be ready for the 2022 rotation, then I don’t make that trade. And I like Snell.
Bowden said Detmers can be front of the line but needs 3 years of development.
We’ll need him then, too. Snell would probably be gone by then. This bird in the hand is worth two in the bush stuff can bring some tough decisions.
The general consensus is he’s wrong on both counts. Detmers is considered a mid rotation guy possibly as early as this year.
You lost me at “Bowden said”
Are you saying you’d rather have Detmers than Snell ?
That’s crazy.
Or maybe you value Marsh a lot?
I think he’s saying if Detmers is a frontline starter, keep him. Thing is Bowden is the one saying Detmers is frontline, not the scouting reports.
There’s a big IF in my comment.
Trade simulator grades it 47.4 Rays (Detmers 11.2, Marsh 36.2), 52.4 Angels, good trade for us if you take it with a grain of salt.
If Detmers is mid-rotation, comp to Heaney, ready by 2022, let’s try this estimate (your results may vary):
Detmers annual WAR ~1
Marsh annual WAR ~2 (Charlie Blackmon comp or better)
Snell has one year of 7.1 WAR, four of low-mid 1’s, so how about an annual WAR of 3 to account for his prime?
Factor in salaries, and sustainability, and I still keep the two unless my mandate from Arte is to win it all within 3 years.
That said, I think the Pads get him, but I’d love to have him if Perry can build a pitching pipeline.
Agreed. Heaney and possibly Bundy need replacing next year and Detmers is the guy to do that replacing.
I would not be excited to see Detmers go either (among other things he’s a left-handed arm), but you have to look at our specific situation, not just a trade simulator or collective postulated WAR.
We NEED top notch SP NOW. Not in two years and not next year, but now. If that means we have to give up a potentially good young arm I think we have to do it. The needs of the team and the way we are currently constructed demand it.
Also; not sure how you are seeing Marsh as a Charlie Blackmon level player. I think that is more than a little optimistic to think that he can be that good.
I’m always optimistic, until reality sets in. If you don’t like the Blackmon comp, I can give you 2019 Brian Goodwin, 2.2 WAR. If Marsh can’t match that, then I don’t know how he’s MLB prospect #73. Hoping that the Rays would accept someone(s) other than Detmers or Chris Rodriguez. I’m generally wary of trading with Tampa or Cleveland, and if they like, say, Marsh, then I believe they see a good ballplayer, probably at the least a 2 annual WAR.
…and sign Bauer. That would be a good start. Will Detmer become a Snell? Possibly, but we cannot just wait this stuff out. Perry has been given direction, acquire established arms and get to the post season, now.
That sign Bauer part is the key to me. Snell isn’t enough to get this team where it needs to be. That trade in isolation, makes the Angels not good enough now and not good enough later.
On the other hand, if the Angels also follow Bowden’s proposal and get Bauer at 5/135, then the trade makes sense, because Bauer/Snell/Bundy should be competitive.
Should be competitive? Ha. That would be awesome.
Of course that is like a dream and not likely to happen. I would be satisfied with one of those two big arms. Of course that does not mean I would not want both.
Bauer gets an AAV of at least $37m
And he has us trading Adell to Miami for another young pitcher. Essentially bringing in 3 starters.
Interesting. Pablo Lopez? Alcantara? Hernandez? All live arms, the last one was shut down last year due to arm issues.
He posits Jo Adell for Braxton Garrett and Monte Harrison.
All in all, we’d have Bauer, Snell, Bundy, Garret, Canning, Heaney, and whatever we get from Ohtani as our starting core. And pretty much no farm.
No farm is a big reason I disagree with nearly all of Bowden’s opinions
I don’t think you can put Braxton Garrett in the starting rotation. He should be starting the season in AA.
Ok. I honestly don’t know much about Garrett. I know the trade didn’t make sense to me when I read it. If we trade Adell we need to get a piece to help now.
How many pitchers seem like they have front end stuff when they’re still 3 years away? A lot.
Just a quick thanks to JeffJoiner for yesterday’s article; a nice recap of those particular players.
Jeff hit a stand-up triple with that article. Casali please so Trevor can continue to throw to him.. Looks like the Met’s have a crush on McCann.
Thanks folks, much appreciated.
I added names as they came out over the week and had Knebel on there until I saw the Dodgers snagged him. Great risk/reward for LA.
Adam Ottaviano’s name has come up in trade rumors. This is his last year under contract and he’s owed $9m by NYY. Seems to have had an unlucky year in 2020 (small sample of 18 IP but only 66% strand rate, 12.5% HR/FB, & .375 BABIP) but is generally a high leverage guy who gets tons of Ks. I’ve always liked him and would definitely be interested in seeing what the asking price is.
I’ve have always liked him too but that was 3-years ago when he was throwing for the Rockies. I’d probably lean towards the FAs first though than to trade with the MFY.
Honestly I think I’d prefer Ottaviano @ 1yr/$9m than most top FA RPs at their projected contracts.
Here is another “If I Were Perry Minasian” article from Dylonbindistan.
Late night Bauer tweet.
https://twitter.com/BauerOutage/status/1334769242927812609?s=20
I came here to say the same thing as soon as I saw it on my bleacher report app. I knew his free agency would be wild, but making shout out posts to different team fan bases is even more wild than I thought.
Hard to know if he wants to sign with us or if he just wants a booty call.
Well, he is no Bobby Grich.
Is this a boomer joke i’m too millennial to understand?
In comments to the Bobby Grich article last week, we boomers were discussing what a player he was (and not in the baseball sense).
Beat me to it LOL. Check the post with 10 comments. DG’s story…
This article
Ah. I’m sure the same could be said for most of these guys.
He wants Arte’s booty.
Arrrrrrrrrrte’s booty.
Ye saucy wench! ‘Tis the plank ye’ll be a-walkin’ fer sure!
He trolls with the best of them.
Yessir.
Bleacher report lol
Simply masterful. The guy deserves a job in player marketing when he can’t pitch anymore.
Commissioner of Baseball.
My dog would be a better commissioner of baseball than Mighty Manfred. Then again. so would your average concrete block.
“Rob” would probably be the perfect nickname for him if it wasn’t his name.
Bauer as MLB Commisioner would be nothing short of the most amazing thing ever.
I still kind of want W as commish.
Late night Del Taco run with Tony?
Wow.
I think I’m truly the only angel fan not waiting by the phone for Bauer.
I’m just not thrilled for a guy whos career ERA is over 4 with steamer ERA and FIP projections also over 4
Yeah. At this point, I just want pitching. I don’t give a shit who.
The return of the Dipoto Four
“A tip of the cap to red floyd for making the decisions easy again” Soth
Sadly, terrifyingly, the Derpo 4 actually had fairly strong track records. Blanton was a schmo and Hanson was a rebound candidate but still has a career ERA+ over 100. But they were just filler. If we signed two guys with Madson & Burnett’s numbers tonight, plus Joe Smith a year later, I would be stoked.
That is until the indian burial ground took it’s ten lbs of flesh.
So try. It’s not the players, or management that are the problem, it’s where the team plays at home.
We always do good, not Seattle good, during spring training
The Overlook Hotel was also on ancient Indian burial ground! 😮
Red Rum👆, neat
Nah, just because he’s the only girl at the dance with most of his teeth and no kids doesn’t mean we should all rush to marry him. Unless he can pitch like he did in 2020 for the next three seasons he’s not worth the 35M a year someone is likely to throw at him to me. Sure, signing him would show some fans that Arte is supurrserious about being championish and show he has has finally realized that pitcher is a position in baseball, but those same complaints would rise again, as would bitching about “big splashes”, as soon as Bauer has his first season with a 4.25+ ERA which he is totally capable of doing.
While signing or trades may bring in a good arm at some point there’s just no getting around that fact that we will probably need to develop a couple pitchers before we have a really good rotation and if we win a World series it will be when Trout’s in his early thirties, which will mean his window closed, so it won’t really count as winning a World Series.
Bitter sadness forevah.
I’m with you. I know he’s worked tirelessly to improve every facet of his game. I think we’ve seen the result of that work over a handful of 2020 games. Even if he’s going to replicate it for 3-4 years we need more.
Getting him and having the bullpen blow his games and 2 other guys in the rotation who get shelled doesn’t appeal to me.
also 1-4 in the post season too.
Don’t like his social views here in So-Cal even though he went to UCLA. How would Curt Schilling be viewed if he was playing today in 2020? I’d rather have Jeff Luhnow than Trevor Bauer anydaye. Trevor is a sc*mb*g, he shood syne a deel with the Bauston Red Sockx todaye and getit over with.