LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Goins, Goins, Gone

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BannedInLA

1 month ago

Trout’s 10 Day IL stint has now reached 20 days.

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milehigh

1 month ago

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He’s a starter on the AL squad ASG, IIRC. I’d be surprised if he plays much in CF before then. No reason to risk re-injury before then. Not for this org and this season.

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Terry

1 month ago

Reply to milehigh

He’s being paid over $30 million a season. Even if the team is 0-91, if he’s healthy, he has a contractual duty to play, if he is in the line up.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

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See, he had super human baseball abilities. Then he got his contract and he got a super human ability to take injuries that “should be OK in a few days” or “the team’s just gonna rest for a couple games and see how things go” and turn them into three to six month absences.

It’s like he’s high up in the SEIU or something. He’s an injury artist.

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toad2065

1 month ago

Detroit let Woo-suck Go. Woo-suck Go go to Twins. I say go Woo-suck Go! Sorry, but someone had to do it. 🤗

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Eric_in_Portland

1 month ago

Josh Lowe in CF today. Still no Trout. I was thinking the other day about past CFs. Gary Pettis, one of my favorites, had no power but we had enough elsewhere. Devon White hit some HRs and was, as I remember, pretty good in the OF. My point here is that we can call up Nelson Rada, maybe next year (if there’s a season) if we’re balanced with some power and decent fielding.

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Terry

1 month ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

Devon and Gary would steal bases also.

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Terry

1 month ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

If Trout can’t or won’t play this week on the road trip, why would he be playing in the all star exhibition game?

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

Los Angeles Angels
First pick: No. 12
Bonus pool: $11,755,400

One big question: The Angels will take another quick-moving college player in the first round, right?

I have to act as if they will keep doing this until they don’t, but there is a line of thinking that recently fired general manager Perry Minasian was behind this draft strategy, so they could change course this season. There has been a strong return from the Angels taking prep pitchers later as overslot options in recent drafts, so I’d expect that to continue. At the 12th pick, they’re looking mostly at college players as the best options most likely available, so I think that’s likely to be their selection, but not necessarily the quickest mover per se. Cameron Flukey, Ryder Helfrick, Justin Lebron, Derek Curiel and Chris Hacopian all make sense.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/49278693/2026-mlb-draft-guide-one-big-question-intel-white-sox-rays-twins-giants-pirates

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Eric_in_Portland

1 month ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I’m glad that Perry is gone. I’m expecting Flukey. I imagine that if Perry were still here he’d have a target and if that player was gone he’d be flummoxed. I just wanted to type flummoxed. I don’t know if I ever had before. Anyway, Or maybe Perry’s strategy has been to multiply his pick by 3 then add 6 and then see who;s ranked there. So if he were picking at #2 he’d end up with the 12th rated guy. At 12, like this year, that’d be…3×12=36+6…the 42nd guy. Anyway, glad he’s gone.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

Flummoxed is awesome.

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

6. Reid Detmers, LHP, Los Angeles Angels
Chance of being traded: 20%
Rest-of-season impact: High
Years of control: Two more years after 2026

The buzz: Detmers has the fourth-most strikeouts in the big leagues behind Misiorowski, Cristopher Sanchez and Dylan Cease, isn’t walking hitters or giving up home runs, and is a metric darling on top of that. Complement all that with an additional two years of club control on top of the season and his value has skyrocketed this year, giving the Angels a genuine opportunity to start a long-needed rebuild the proper way. Of course, it’s the Angels, so executives are skeptical that it will happen.

The Angels also fired GM Perry Minasian at the end of June and replaced him with former Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak, so how much leeway owner Arte Moreno will give Mozeliak to potentially deal Detmers and others with multiple years of club control remains unclear at the moment.

The scouting report: Because it’s the Angels, after taking Detmers with the 10th pick in the 2020 draft and seeming to be on the verge of becoming a strong third-starter type, they moved him to the bullpen for a year in 2025 only to just put him right back where he was in the rotation in 2024. The knock earlier in Detmers’ career was that his breaking stuff wasn’t crisp enough. But to his credit, he has steadily improved the velo/movement of his slider over the years while moving his softer curveball to be more of a sometimes pitch and adding velo to his now plus fastball.

Best fits: Cubs, Padres, A’s, Mets, Cardinals, Orioles, Diamondbacks, Braves, White Sox, Rays, Nationals, Blue Jays.

16. Jose Soriano, RHP, Los Angeles Angels
Chance of being traded: 20%
Rest-of-season impact: Moderate
Years of control: Two more years after 2026

The buzz: Since starting the season by giving up one run in his first 37⅔ innings, Soriano has posted an ERA approaching 5.00. The stuff still really plays, and plenty of organizations believe they can help work out the control kinks that can plague Soriano. Add to that the two years of control and the same pitching-hungry organizations that want Detmers — contenders and teams that intend to contend in the coming years — will be interested in Soriano.

The scouting report: Since the time he entered pro ball in 2016, Soriano was more prospect than finished product until 2024 or 2025, including being a Rule 5 draft pick (and returned!) in 2021. Since late April, he has been roughly that third-/fourth-starter type that he has been in the big leagues. He’s ranked this high because of the flashes, the years of control and the plus stuff grades from scouts and analysts on his pitches. A savvy pitching development team could realize tens of millions in value from acquiring Soriano and unlocking results that match the stuff/potential/flashes.

Best fits: Cubs, Padres, A’s, Mets, Cardinals, Orioles, Diamondbacks, Braves, White Sox, Rays, Nationals, Blue Jays.

28. Jo Adell, RF, Los Angeles Angels

52. Sam Bachman, RHP, Los Angeles Angels

54. Ryan Zeferjahn, RHP, Los Angeles Angels

66. Jorge Soler, OF, Los Angeles Angels

67. Chase Silseth, RHP, Los Angeles Angels

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/49082474/ranking-mlb-trade-deadline-candidates-top-100-skubal-chapman-peralta-arraez

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

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If Moseliak trades Soriano, Adell, Neto and Detmers…. just pulls out the gas can and sets the hovel on fire for the insurance pay out and then walks away at the end of the year…. he will be my hero. That would be a baller move.

If he trades someone to the Braves, Yankees, Cardinals, Rays or Phillies for a prospect or two and a post 1st round draft pick like #32 I’ll name someone’s kid after him.

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

Baseball America put out their midseason farm rankings…

23. Los Angeles Angels
Preseason Ranking: 28
Top 100 Prospects: RHP Tyler Bremner (No. 35)

Strength of the System: Positive Momentum. The Angels have generally had one of the thinnest farm systems in baseball in the 2020s, in part because their best prospects sped to the majors—whether they were ready or not. The Angels have been more deliberate and conventional in their development plans recently, and it’s paying off in a growing pack of intriguing pitchers with a few potential everyday position prospects (like Hayden Alvarez and Juan Flores) sprouting up, as well. Denzer Guzman’s improvements have provided another boost.
System

Weakness: Position Prospects. The improvements from Alvarez and Guzman are encouraging, but the Angels remain thin on hitting prospects, especially those who have power and defensive value. The trade deadline and the draft could help improve this.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-farm-system-midseason-talent-rankings-for-july-2026/

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I cannot stress it enough — trading Detmers and Soriano should be seen as mission critical to the health and well being of this organization. The farm is improving and there is a clear avenue to making it better. This deadline has to be the biggest inflection point we’ve faced since holding onto Ohtani with 1.5 years of control.

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HalosFanForLife

1 month ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I so agree. They’ve already lost value on Soriano. Everyone thumbed their nose when I suggested Soriano for Made. Now – Made is now up 30+ over him on BTV. We are losing both these guys in a few years – and if they become someone we want – we can pick them up at market in Free Agency. I don’t think the Brewers would sell Made – they like to develop their guys – but it was fun to play with the ideas. I was infatuated with Neto and wanted him extended early – looking like a good move by Perry not doing that one. I’m so pivoted on Neto, I’m good if we move him too.

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milehigh

1 month ago

Baseball manufacturing is a thing again.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7412773/2026/07/01/mlb-baseballs-drag-rate-home-runs-the-windup/?source=athletic_thewindup_newsletter&campaign=18824408&userId=27252571

Long video but interesting.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?src=Linkfire&lId=77e1c35f-73c3-4e4d-8e90-7c710a4253c0&cId=d3d58fd7-4c47-11e6-9fd0-066c3e7a8751&v=KLykjsUB8yQ&feature=youtu.be

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

Meckler should be our leadoff hitter. Right?

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Angelz4ever

1 month ago

Reply to MarineLayer

That seems logical, so, no not gonna happen.

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Terry

1 month ago

Reply to MarineLayer

The Angels have such a poorly constructed roster that Meckler would be the logical player to bat lead off, unless there is someone in the minors. Neto’s k rate is so horrible, it mostly eliminates any benefits from him being lead off.

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FungoAle

1 month ago

Reply to Terry

Precisely. A nice little story but if this is the future, we are F’d.

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

While we’re on the subject of getting better, what should we do about Neto? Dropping him down the lineup is obvious. Moving him off SS to a less demanding position would also help. I’d prefer Peraza or Guzman there.

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milehigh

1 month ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Neto’s brain has been the problem this year, for me anyway. Not sure a less demanding position would help, but maybe throwing Cracker Jacks in the stadium would help.

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TrojanBoiler

1 month ago

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I can’t help but assume he is the single biggest example of collateral damage from Dirt Suzuki’s “leadership”

I think Neto needs a ball buster like Washington. Someone to keep his ego in check and hold him accountable for making mistakes. Dirt definitely doesn’t do either of those things, and I think Zach’s regression is a direct result of piss poor leadership.

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PedroCerrano

1 month ago

Reply to TrojanBoiler

Whatever it is, it doesn’t speak well of Neto’s mental toughness and/or self awareness. At a certain point, you need to look in the mirror and own your shit.

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2pints

1 month ago

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Right, its hard for me to blame Suzuki for Neto taking a step back when Neto is in his 4th MLB season. He’s not a rookie fresh out of college, he’s a grown man, so any blame for his play should land squarely on his shoulders.

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TrojanBoiler

1 month ago

Reply to 2pints

For sure! I am not trying to give Neto a pass or say he isn’t in charge of his own development.

But it doesn’t change the reality that people respond to leadership differently, and some need more motivation/direction than others. That’s half the reason why we have coaches, CEOs, managers, therapists, etc.

Suzuki’s job is to get the best out of his players and he doesn’t do that.

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

I predict that whoever Moz picks at #12 will instantly be ranked above who Minasian picked at #2 with a year of time in our minor league system.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to MarineLayer

I think the new pick slides in at 2 or 3 on the prospect lists. Rada and Bremner should stay at the top.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

It’s been what? 40 innings? How long are we supposed to wait before we declare that Bremner is a total bust?

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

If you want to make yourself upset check out the stats of Bremner, Anderson, and Hernandez.

Passing on Seth Hernandez will forever be unforgivable considering he pitched in our own backyard and everything about him screamed immediate star. We had one of the best prospects of a generation fall into our lap and Perry said “Nah, we good”

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

Reply to Pineapple12

It was so obvious. Minasian was such a fool.

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FungoAle

1 month ago

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While I was fixated on Hernandez last year, I was not watching too much of Kade Anderson. What a start to both their careers. in a hitters league, players are batting .160 of Kade with a strikeout to walk ratio of 10-1, WHIP is 0.69. He’s doing this in AA ball which is a stepping stone to the big leagues for talented players. Turks pick last year to go No. 2 last year.

Seth is performing well, High A a little more challenging but still doing very well and racking up K’s. 2-years less experience than Kade.

Both should have very bright futures.

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

Reply to FungoAle

Agreed. Minasian pick seems very murky to me. I predict he will have a Bachman-like career, with a little Joyce mixed in (remember him?).

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

Reply to FungoAle

Kade has been unbelievable in AA producing true video game numbers. In terms of pure stuff, I liken Seth to Skenes, Strasbourg, Clemens, guys like that. I love Bremner (mainly bc UCSB lol), but passing on both was crazyyyy

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to FungoAle

Kade Anderson was an absolute stud last season. I also like the Arnold kid out of FSU.

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Charles Sutton

1 month ago

John Mozeliak discusses trade deadline and draft plans.

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Roy Hobbs

1 month ago

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So it appears that when Mozeliak mentions resources, he’s talking about Arte’s money and the market they play in. Meanwhile, Arte has been pleading poverty. Not sure where they go from here.

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Charles Sutton

1 month ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

The draft is our only hope. He basically confirmed he is not allowed to trade anybody that anybody else would want.

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

Reply to Charles Sutton

Let’s hope not. Nobody he could trade is make or break.

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

Reply to Charles Sutton

I would love someone to overpay for Detmers who will never be able to ace but could give us a few top pieces.

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

Reply to Charles Sutton

Actions speak louder than words. I’ll judge Mozeliak on the moves Arte allows him to make, his words mean absolute nothing

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Roy Hobbs

1 month ago

Reply to Pineapple12

That’s kind of where we’re at.

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milehigh

1 month ago

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Key word is Arte. I won’t judge anyone but Arte when he has the last say.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

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I think we’ll know early in 2027 if anything has changed.

Mozeliak has the leverage here with the 6 month contract. He is clearly feeling Arte out.

Mo will present a plan and budget for the baseball operations department. If Arte agrees and actually funds it I’m sure Mo stays on as a POBO or consultant and hires the people he wants.

If Arte does anything less than Mozeliak wants, Mo walks. The dude is already rich, already retired, and already won plenty. The Angels need him a lot more than he needs the Angels.

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

That makes sense but we don’t have the luxury of time here with an impending lockout looming. Detmers, Soriano and Adell have to be moved at the deadline.

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toad2065

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I have to disagree, Jeff. Mo is obviously in love with the idea of shining on a bigger stage than he ever had in St. Louis. Guys at this level are usually much more interested in the non-financial rewards. Yes, he will walk away if he doesn’t like Arte’s reaction to his plan, but he has no real leverage to force Arte to change his ways.

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milehigh

1 month ago

Reply to toad2065

Real leverage? Probably not. But Mo has the pedigree (and I think Molly, too) to tell Arte that if he doesn’t listen to the best advice he has received in the last ten years then any hope for a legacy will officially be flushed down the toilet for the world to see. Legacy is all that Arte has left. The next six months is all that Arte has left to rescue anything resembling a positive ending.

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Roy Hobbs

1 month ago

Reply to milehigh

Sad, and sounds overly dramatic, but ultimately, I believe it is a true statement. The new GM will likely be here 5-6 years and if the wrong choice is made and things generally don’t change, the club will continue to look like it does and it will permanently become the Colorado Rockies until it is sold.

The last time Arte was considering selling, he said there were individuals who wanted to invest so there is money available if he is willing to go that route and get a shot in the arm so to speak.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Arte turns 80 next month. If a new GM is in place 4-6 years there is a very good chance this is Arte’s last GM hire.

Perhaps he realizes that.

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Roy Hobbs

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Exactly

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to toad2065

Over the next six months:

A new GM will be hired on a multi year contract
New assistant GMs will be brought in.
New scouting and analytic people will be brought in.
Most likely a new field manager will be named.

If those people are not to Mozeliak’s liking and he does not feel the ability to shine is possible, he has an out. He can simply walk away.

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WallyChuckChili

1 month ago

Wade Meckler got more All-Star votes than Jo Adell and Taylor Ward.

https://www.justbaseball.com/mlb/why-did-angels-wade-meckler-get-so-many-all-star-votes/

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steelgolf

1 month ago

Reply to WallyChuckChili

My one man crusade !!!!! Meckler should have been The Angels representative to the All Star game.

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Roy Hobbs

1 month ago

Reply to WallyChuckChili

Meckler does everything except hit for power. He should be the current lead off hitter and you could do worse than have Rada and Meckler hitting 1-2 followed by Trout. Get a real clean up hitter and let Neto hit 6th. If they were to get a RF and 1B next season who could hit 4th and 5th, they could have a deep lineup with Neto 6th and Guzman 7th, followed by the catcher and Peraza. With their starting pitching and a rebuilt pen, they would be very competitive. That’s my hopium take.

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

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I generally like this.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

the only issue there is Rada and Meckler are both lefties. But yes it would help with contact rate and OBP.

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Roy Hobbs

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I had forgotten Rada was a lefty.

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WallyChuckChili

1 month ago

Braves will re-sign Carrasco by the days end. Bad luck for Lucchesi, his Angels ride may be over. Perry’s not here to re-sign him.

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Terry

1 month ago

Angels W/L in 2025 with Trout: 55-75
Without Trout: 17-15
In 2026 with Trout: 30-45
Without Trout: 6-10, including current losing streak.
Combined: ’25 and ’26:
With Trout: 85- 120
Without Trout: 23-25.
At time Trout went on IL on 6/18 this season, he was mired in a 5 for 41 slump.
I don’t disagree Trout may be the Angels best player but the team is terrible with him or without him, arguably “better” when he is not in line up, but terrible either way.
I’ve always been a Trout fan, he is a hall of famer. But the team is what it is. Trout’s presence in the line up does not make a positive difference in the w/l column. One can argue that his obp is excellent, that is true. And that he he still hits homers and scores runs, also true. But, at this stage, he has become very prone to extended batting slumps and sporadic power outputs. Fact, of his home run total this season, 7 of his 18 homers were consolidated in 7 games. Thus, 11 homers spread over the other 69 games he played. His k rate is ghastly. With Neto and Trout at top of line up this season, they have combined for over 200k’s. Ugh. Its not like they are bringing stolen base prowess to the top of the line up. Those days are long gone for Trout. His defense is a liability, as Mark Langston was saying on the radio broadcast during last Sunday’s game: the Angel outfielders (referring to Trout and Adell (as they have been the full timers) play much too deep, all season, and “it’s killed the Angels pitchers who have had way too many bloop hits fall in in front of them (outfielders)”
The Angels have no choice but to play Trout, if anything, his contract demands such.

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Terry

1 month ago

Reply to Terry

Correction: Trout has 17 homers this season, not 18 as I stated.

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YOUknowulovetheIE

1 month ago

Reply to Terry

He’s at 2.8 WAR now and can easily hit 5 before the season is over. That wouldn’t be a bad year.

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toad2065

1 month ago

Reply to YOUknowulovetheIE

If you buy into the idea that WAR = Wins.

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Roy Hobbs

1 month ago

Reply to Terry

The irony, based on Trouts performance, that they should be better with him but aren’t. Hard to figure why. Possibly just an anomaly because he is still their best player by a long shot.

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

I know Bill James rejects this, but he’s never been a clutch player so his stats largely amass where they’re not needed. And his K rate really kills his value, as his outs are also non-productive. It’s balanced by how great he was at the beginning of his career, and what an exceptionally nice guy he is, which no longer helps us on the field.

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Terry

1 month ago

Reply to MarineLayer

I agree.

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FungoAle

1 month ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Trout’s recency bias is alive and well. Mike has a career batting average with runners in scoring position of .300+. We tend to only recall the last attempt to get a hit.

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FungoAle

1 month ago

Reply to Terry

Accurate data but I do not think it is straightforward to draw a conclusion the Angels are better without Trout. W/L data points to this but what is driving that outcome. Yeah, they suck either way.

It might be worth a look to determine how the other 8-guys in the lineup produced when Mike was available and playing. Mike gets on base at a higher percentage than anyone else. That right there tells me, Angels have a better chance to win with the leader in OBP penciled in the lineup.

Mike doesn’t pitch of course so bad pitching outings could very well influence W/L more than one hitter in the lineup.

Anyway, I think it’s just too difficult to say the Angels are better w/o Trout playing, my suspicion is that the other 8 guys are underperforming and are subpar. For those of us that have followed Trout, we can recall when he would go in those unconscious hitting streaks, 7-10 days carrying the team. No longer does that but he is still their most productive player.

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