Arte will sign one big FA this offseason to appease his new manager. Tucker or Bellinger. We know Arte won’t give out more than 3-year contracts. That could bring in Gallen l, maybe Cease but not Valdez.
Arenado trade if Japanese 3rd base FA Murakami signs elsewhere.
Pujols is tight with Nolan and would present the Angels with their 1st major leauge glove at the hot corner in decades. Heefo needs to go away. Keep an eye on Goldy too. Note: I’m not advocating for either.
There are some reports that Arte has chosen Pooholes and it’s just a matter of agreeing on the contract. I thought it was Perry’s “most important” choice of the offseason. I think the real dynamics are Arte chooses and Perry accepts.
This would be one of the stupidest hirings as a manager. And therefore we should expect that is exactly who will be the manager next season.
I seriously doubt it. People who know what they are doing just don’t hire someone to manage their team with virtually zero coaching or managing experience. We might as well be hiring Trout to be a player/manager since we’re already paying him as well. I’d actually rather have Tim Salmon manage and Mark Langston as our pitching coach. Actually, we could do a lot worse than having Salmon as our hitting coach and Langston as our pitching coach based on their observations and comments when they broadcast. And maybe Buck Showalter as our manager. Still have Perry’s roster but at least we would have smart professional people managing it.
SF Giants was a rumor. Certainly a better situation if it were to occur. But recognize that Arte and Albert have a strong connection. Will he wear his No. 5 while managing? Flashbacks of GIDPs if I see him come out of the dugout..
Little bit of Jerry-fatigue for me as well in addition to the players. Took Jerry what…10-years to get beyond a WC game? A lot of sunshine blown up his skirt today.
He executed a complete rebuild – exactly what everyone wants the Angels to do – which meant being non-competitive for a couple of years. His farm system peaked at #1 in 2022 (it was #28 when he inherited it) and his teams are seeing the dividends of that.
Beyond the rebuild years, he’s built 85-90 win teams in seven seasons, has a healthy career W-L record across both the Angels and the Mariners, and has had a winning club every year since the pandemic short season.
The playoffs are up to the players and field coaches. Even loaded teams lose in playoff short series – just ask the Yankees. Jerry did his job, the players need to hold up their end.
i remember his days here. The power struggle was with Scioscia who told him to stay in his lane (Arte just picked a side).
his best draft choice was ? Newcomb? Middleton?
his best team was here, with Scioscia and using Arte’s money (to sign Pujols, Hamilton, and Wilson? Brilliant ). He did deserve better in 2014 but he just quit mid season in 2015 is a bad look.
10 years? It doesn’t pass the boy genius sniff test.
meh. it’s easy to pick a side when it’s (insert human being) vs. Arte but Jerry is a pretty mediocre GM.
85-90 win teams in 7 of 10 tries? In a division with resurgent Texas teams? 4th in payroll almost every year behind Houston, Anaheim and Texas?
Emerging out of the team’s rebuild, when Seattle won 90 games in 2021, their total payroll was $84M to the Angels’ $184M. Over the last decade, their average payroll position is 16th, in a small market with a middling TV contract.
All versus an Angels team that hasn’t sniffed .500 once in those 10 tries, despite a bigger total payroll than Seattle each year?
That’s quite a curve you’re grading on, Rex.
You’re seriously complaining about his Angels drafts when Arte’s penchant for signing FAs under the strictest CBA in history robbed the team of first and second round selections, as if any GM could succeed in drafting when their first selection is #114, like 2012. As a draft obsessive, I have to say: that’s an insanely high standard to hold any GM to.
He only had two first rounders in four tries with the Angels – Newcomb and Ward. Ward exceeded everyone’s expectations (drafted at #26), and Newcomb (at #15) was the top guy on my board, and the key piece in the Andrelton Simmons trade, which netted the Angels 20 WAR. Who cares how the Braves developed Newcomb – not Dipoto’s problem – but it was a very sensible pick, viewed as high value among other GMs, and foreshadowed what he’d do with Seattle later.
So why focus on the Angels drafts, where he lacked early round selections? He took one of the worst farms in baseball and turned it into the top-ranked farm by 2022 per BA. With Seattle he’s been viewed as one of the best draft-and-develop GMs in the sport – rightfully – building baseball’s best homegrown pitching pipeline by far. Drafting Kirby, Gilbert, Woo, Miller – alongside franchise pieces like Raleigh and Rodriguez. Almost always drafting behind the Angels, who did little to nothing over the same period. (Jerry even grabbed my top guy, Kade Anderson, this year.)
I love you Rex, but couldn’t disagree with you more on these points. I don’t think they reflect industry consensus, the perspectives of other front offices, and certainly not my view. I think they’re pretty unique to disgruntled Angels fans, alas. Producing winning teams almost every year despite a comprehensive rebuild, middling payroll and draft position seems like what an excellent GM does.
So some of his 89 and 90 win teams fell short of the playoffs in the final week of the regular season? Pshaw – the Angels could be so lucky.
Actually, the players aren’t as douchey as they used to be. Seager et al really used to get under my skin.
Jerry has actually done a hell of a job and while I HATE that the Mariners are doing well, it’s another proof that Arte should be renamed “fARTE pants” or ARTE Chokes.
I find them largely inoffensive, but not fun or exciting like, say, the A’s are.
My Dipoto-stanning is completely a head-over-heart thing. Like: how would I want the ideal Angels GM to operate? Dipoto’s close to that. I watch the Mariners farm kids a lot, and covet that system frequently.
But the Mariners aren’t a team I’m hot or cold on either way. This year’s group just seems more balanced and competently built than any other in a while.
Eppler did two good things: recruited Ohtani and executed the Simmons trade. But his drafts were often terrible (Adams! Thaiss! Will Wilson!) and he did little else of note in free agency, and his teams reflected that.
Dipoto was saddled with Hamilton and Pujols as well, but still produced a 98 win team, all despite having the 30th ranked farm in the MiLB by 2012, once Trout graduated.
Wilson’s contract was up in 2016, so that was hardly an albatross that Eppler had to bear. I still like that free agent acquisition, btw – $15M/yr for a #2 for 5 years was a market-typical contract, hardly an overpay. But pitchers get injured, and sometime underperform their salaries as a result.
It was a far more rational contract than Pujols the same year. And while Arte was committing to Pujols in a separate room, Dipoto was signing the Wilson contract. We know that Hamilton and Pujols were all Arte – he led the negotiations for both personally. But Dipoto’s focus was always pitching (unsurprising as a former pitcher), but never had the rope to run with that he would in Seattle.
Here’s my take on Jerry. I will never really get over his walking out mid season. But I think we can all appreciate the message he was sending….ie that this was and is a sick organization and he needed to get the f out. I’d like to follow a similar path. I wish we had more insight as to what caused him to leave but I’m guessing it was a whole lot of frustration built up by non-baseball people in the upper echelon of the Org.
Jerry was responsible for Ward who is a very solid major leaguer. He also was responsible for 2014. Overall he was a very decent GM who then took it to the next level in Seattle.
Congratulations Jerry. This must be very sweet for you b
Dipoto was pretty open about why he quit. He was trying to deliver more analytics and scouting reports to his players, pitchers in particular, and felt Scioscia and his support coaches were blocking and filtering that info. He felt that after delivering a 98 win team the year before, he had earned the right to have more influence on the flow of information from the front office to the players, and Scioscia was not on board. He took the case to Arte, and Arte sided with Scioscia, so Jerry quit.
It’s not a puzzle – it’s pretty transparent. Arte intervened in free agency and drafting, and Dipoto inevitably couldn’t even control the things he should be able to control. He ultimately went to an organization where ownership gave him more agency over field management and roster construction, and Seattle was much improved by that
If you still can’t get over him leaving, then you’re simply siding with Arte…to this day. It’s just the worst case of Stockholm Syndrome among fanbases really, and it continues to plague so many. As awful as this owner has been, the overwhelming majority of Angels fans still side with Moreno on this matter. I saw it happening on Halos Heaven within days of Jerry leaving – shocked me then, still shocks me now.
Jerry was 100% right – he was trying to take the organization in the *right* direction, but fans would still rather him be loyal, weak and wrong. Sorry, just bizarre to me that folks wanted him to be Mike’s and Arte’s bitch – as if that would make it all better.
Meanwhile, I think the exact opposite. Leaving mid-season because he refused to STFU and just take a 7-figure paycheck is the strong, courageous move. He had enough self-confidence that, though there are only 30 of those jobs in the world, and he’s putting himself at risk by voluntarily leaving one, he felt he would find new work.
And he was viewed as so talented and valuable that he had multiple options in the end, and was hired by a division rival in six months flat. And he was the opposite of weak in his next position too – after winning 89 games, he secured permission from ownership to tear the team down to the studs and commence a complete rebuild, which he executed in two years flat. That takes guts – not remotely weak.
Yep – Boston hired him a month after he left the Angels. They were arguably the most sophisticated analytics operation in the sport at the time, and created an advisory position for him.
Look, I know it’s galling for Angels fans to respect their ex, but Dipoto was the one that got a way and did well for themselves. Everything he was trying to do for the Angels were the right things, and he applied that vision to remake a division rival with a focus on two principles especially: you can’t have enough good pitching, and player development based on scouting, ops innovation and analytics is what good, efficient teams are built on.
That’s the opposite of what Arte believes, so, when it comes to due respect and organizational philosophy, I’m Team Jerry until the old man dies or sells.
I accept your arguments and think that they are a legitimate way of looking at the situation. You express them forcefully and convincingly.
I think it’s also legitimate to say that walking out on a team in the middle of the season is abandoning ship. It was a petulant, emotionally charged reaction. He could have easily waited until the end of the season and then left and had the same situation with regard to new jobs available.
Either way you look at it, Arte clearly feels a field manager is of more importance than a GM. Another huge mistake by Arte which reveals his own and his stooges’ fundamental lack of baseball knowledge.
Fair enough, but I think it might be stretching things to suggest it was just some sudden emotional (“petulant”) reaction, as opposed to years-long frictions among Scioscia, Dipoto and Moreno. Those were frequently reported, and both Scioscia and Dipoto were on the hot seat going into 2014, after the team underperformed the previous year.
Could be just as likely that Dipoto had floated leaving previously, but figured things would change after he delivered the best record in the MLB in ’14. When it became clear that things were going nowhere, he left. But he actually did stick around for the draft, which was arguably the most important thing for him to be present for.
I also recall the insider on Halos Heaven talking about Jerry at Thanksgiving … anyone else remember that story? Damn, he sure seemed like a petulant bastitch.
Good for him. Took a bottom three farm in mid-market Seattle and turned it into a top three farm in three years flat. Built an impressive pitching pipeline that just doesn’t quit. Made some gutsy trades at the deadline that paid off. Took the Mariners to the ALCS for the first time in 24 years. All after taking the Angels to an MLB-best win total in his last full year with the club.
It’s been full-blown garbage since that 98 win Dipoto team, but a pitching and analytics obsessed GM? Not loyal enough, sayeth the fanbase. Needed more humility they said, needed to take a knee and play out his contract.
I know I’m in the extreme minority in the Angels fanbase, but from that day forward, it’s always been Arte vs Jerry to me. Jerry was the model of an independent thinking GM, fighting to win, not to ‘contend’. We’ve had almost a dozen years of full-tilt Arte since Jerry rage quit, but fans dig a compliant GM.
The fanbase wanted loyalty to Arte, and oh did they bray and bray. The baseball gods heard and delivered, and they continue to.
Arte forever. Semper fi. If curses exist, the fans begged for this one.
And amazingly enough most of the posters here want a GM now, in the mold of Jedi, at least with regard to standing up to Arte, but then criticize Jedi for doing so. Jedi also had the challenge of not hiring his own manager so Scioscia didn’t really work for Jedi, he worked for Arte. Scioscia was essentially insubordinate.
Sosh had WAAY too much power. Everyone here knows how angry I was about Arte’s stubborn refusal to get rid of Scioscia when he was clearly holding us back from reaching our potential ….. I have said many times this team should have won 3 World Series between 2001-2010. Scioscia was the reason we didn’t. We should have had a Red Sox like run, and we were in a position to do that… Those were wasted years and chances we will never get back as a franchise.
All that said, there were some good things Scioscia brought to the organization, like discipline, focus, and an intolerance for loafing, goofing around etc… I don’t think guys like Moncada and Rengifo would have survived under Sosh.
This is a complex issue.. where the GM role ends and where the Manager begins varies alot depending upon who you ask. Scioscia was an old school guy, and as such, though there were things he did really well, he was also closed-minded and limited in alot of ways… This became clear when his shit stopped working for like 6 or 7 years..
Perhaps if he had been more open to the analytics stuff he would have managed to get to or even win the World Series more than the single time in 18 years.. And that with some of the best talent in MLB.
I never had an issue with JeDi while he was a GM with the Angels but he quit, mid-year. Took the ez way out. F-him. Having said that, better GM than the previous two angels have hired but still don’t like Jerry.
Dipoto also fired Mickey Hatcher, which the fanbase looooved, because hitting was in the toilet, but that created serious tension with Scioscia, because Hatcher was his guy, just like Carpino was Arte’s. It was an old boy group growing stale and mediocre, visibly so, and it needed disruption, but Arte didn’t want disruption, and still doesn’t.
Some predictions with Albert coming on as manage:
Arte will sign one big FA this offseason to appease his new manager. Tucker or Bellinger. We know Arte won’t give out more than 3-year contracts. That could bring in Gallen l, maybe Cease but not Valdez.
Arenado trade if Japanese 3rd base FA Murakami signs elsewhere.
Perry’s last year. Albert is not a Perry guy.
Heefo is a better hitter than Arenado right now. That would be a horrible trade.
Pujols is tight with Nolan and would present the Angels with their 1st major leauge glove at the hot corner in decades. Heefo needs to go away. Keep an eye on Goldy too. Note: I’m not advocating for either.
There are some reports that Arte has chosen Pooholes and it’s just a matter of agreeing on the contract. I thought it was Perry’s “most important” choice of the offseason. I think the real dynamics are Arte chooses and Perry accepts.
This would be one of the stupidest hirings as a manager. And therefore we should expect that is exactly who will be the manager next season.
Ay dios mio!
So we will get new coaches?
I’m on board!
Al should be stipulating Arte sign Framber and Gallen first before he signs.
Our only hope is that Pujols is using Arte as leverage to sign elsewhere to manage. Rumors he has other suitors??
I had that thought very briefly then discarded it …. nobody is as stupid as Arte in that they would seriously consider hiring Albert as manager.
My thoughts exactly.
I seriously doubt it. People who know what they are doing just don’t hire someone to manage their team with virtually zero coaching or managing experience. We might as well be hiring Trout to be a player/manager since we’re already paying him as well. I’d actually rather have Tim Salmon manage and Mark Langston as our pitching coach. Actually, we could do a lot worse than having Salmon as our hitting coach and Langston as our pitching coach based on their observations and comments when they broadcast. And maybe Buck Showalter as our manager. Still have Perry’s roster but at least we would have smart professional people managing it.
SF Giants was a rumor. Certainly a better situation if it were to occur. But recognize that Arte and Albert have a strong connection. Will he wear his No. 5 while managing? Flashbacks of GIDPs if I see him come out of the dugout..
He should be using it as leverage to sign four FAs who are all under 33.
Showalter as bench coach would be nice
Just to be clear, my hate of the Mariners has nothing to do with Jerry.
It has to do with the players on the team, a little bit the fans, and most importantly our history with them.
Little bit of Jerry-fatigue for me as well in addition to the players. Took Jerry what…10-years to get beyond a WC game? A lot of sunshine blown up his skirt today.
He executed a complete rebuild – exactly what everyone wants the Angels to do – which meant being non-competitive for a couple of years. His farm system peaked at #1 in 2022 (it was #28 when he inherited it) and his teams are seeing the dividends of that.
Beyond the rebuild years, he’s built 85-90 win teams in seven seasons, has a healthy career W-L record across both the Angels and the Mariners, and has had a winning club every year since the pandemic short season.
The playoffs are up to the players and field coaches. Even loaded teams lose in playoff short series – just ask the Yankees. Jerry did his job, the players need to hold up their end.
He deserves the sunshine.
10 years. One other playoff appearance?
i remember his days here. The power struggle was with Scioscia who told him to stay in his lane (Arte just picked a side).
his best draft choice was ? Newcomb? Middleton?
his best team was here, with Scioscia and using Arte’s money (to sign Pujols, Hamilton, and Wilson? Brilliant ). He did deserve better in 2014 but he just quit mid season in 2015 is a bad look.
10 years? It doesn’t pass the boy genius sniff test.
meh. it’s easy to pick a side when it’s (insert human being) vs. Arte but Jerry is a pretty mediocre GM.
85-90 win teams in 7 of 10 tries? In a division with resurgent Texas teams? 4th in payroll almost every year behind Houston, Anaheim and Texas?
Emerging out of the team’s rebuild, when Seattle won 90 games in 2021, their total payroll was $84M to the Angels’ $184M. Over the last decade, their average payroll position is 16th, in a small market with a middling TV contract.
All versus an Angels team that hasn’t sniffed .500 once in those 10 tries, despite a bigger total payroll than Seattle each year?
That’s quite a curve you’re grading on, Rex.
You’re seriously complaining about his Angels drafts when Arte’s penchant for signing FAs under the strictest CBA in history robbed the team of first and second round selections, as if any GM could succeed in drafting when their first selection is #114, like 2012. As a draft obsessive, I have to say: that’s an insanely high standard to hold any GM to.
He only had two first rounders in four tries with the Angels – Newcomb and Ward. Ward exceeded everyone’s expectations (drafted at #26), and Newcomb (at #15) was the top guy on my board, and the key piece in the Andrelton Simmons trade, which netted the Angels 20 WAR. Who cares how the Braves developed Newcomb – not Dipoto’s problem – but it was a very sensible pick, viewed as high value among other GMs, and foreshadowed what he’d do with Seattle later.
So why focus on the Angels drafts, where he lacked early round selections? He took one of the worst farms in baseball and turned it into the top-ranked farm by 2022 per BA. With Seattle he’s been viewed as one of the best draft-and-develop GMs in the sport – rightfully – building baseball’s best homegrown pitching pipeline by far. Drafting Kirby, Gilbert, Woo, Miller – alongside franchise pieces like Raleigh and Rodriguez. Almost always drafting behind the Angels, who did little to nothing over the same period. (Jerry even grabbed my top guy, Kade Anderson, this year.)
I love you Rex, but couldn’t disagree with you more on these points. I don’t think they reflect industry consensus, the perspectives of other front offices, and certainly not my view. I think they’re pretty unique to disgruntled Angels fans, alas. Producing winning teams almost every year despite a comprehensive rebuild, middling payroll and draft position seems like what an excellent GM does.
So some of his 89 and 90 win teams fell short of the playoffs in the final week of the regular season? Pshaw – the Angels could be so lucky.
Scott Servais?
Alot of things …. Servais, Jesse Winker, the stuff that happened in 2014 and such… Weaver did not like the M’s very much either. Neither do I.
Forgot that nozzle, but yeah!!!
he never was in uniform with the Angels, so that’s probably why.
Actually, the players aren’t as douchey as they used to be. Seager et al really used to get under my skin.
Jerry has actually done a hell of a job and while I HATE that the Mariners are doing well, it’s another proof that Arte should be renamed “fARTE pants” or ARTE Chokes.
I find them largely inoffensive, but not fun or exciting like, say, the A’s are.
My Dipoto-stanning is completely a head-over-heart thing. Like: how would I want the ideal Angels GM to operate? Dipoto’s close to that. I watch the Mariners farm kids a lot, and covet that system frequently.
But the Mariners aren’t a team I’m hot or cold on either way. This year’s group just seems more balanced and competently built than any other in a while.
Billy Ep, who inherited tens of million tied up to Wilson, Pujols, Hamilton and baseball’s worst farm system, has seen has Jerry’s GM work 😂
what he did here and taking ten years to win a series in Seattle just isn’t impressive
Eppler did two good things: recruited Ohtani and executed the Simmons trade. But his drafts were often terrible (Adams! Thaiss! Will Wilson!) and he did little else of note in free agency, and his teams reflected that.
Dipoto was saddled with Hamilton and Pujols as well, but still produced a 98 win team, all despite having the 30th ranked farm in the MiLB by 2012, once Trout graduated.
Wilson’s contract was up in 2016, so that was hardly an albatross that Eppler had to bear. I still like that free agent acquisition, btw – $15M/yr for a #2 for 5 years was a market-typical contract, hardly an overpay. But pitchers get injured, and sometime underperform their salaries as a result.
It was a far more rational contract than Pujols the same year. And while Arte was committing to Pujols in a separate room, Dipoto was signing the Wilson contract. We know that Hamilton and Pujols were all Arte – he led the negotiations for both personally. But Dipoto’s focus was always pitching (unsurprising as a former pitcher), but never had the rope to run with that he would in Seattle.
One thing every says is Mr Teeth would be an excellent GM, and my sense is it would easily take you a lot less than 10 years to win a playoff series.
Well, you strongly disagree with my judgment, and how I view a model GM to operate, so that’s an intriguing (and confounding) observation, Rex. 🙂
Jerry was right.
Arte has done nothing but (continue to) hire “yes men” since Jedi left.
I’m very happy to see Jerry have success, especially within the division, knowing it’s happening right in Arte’s grill.
Sammy says this morning Ramon Martinez is Big Al’s pitching coach
Was Ramon already coaching for him? Have not heard from him in years.
Here’s my take on Jerry. I will never really get over his walking out mid season. But I think we can all appreciate the message he was sending….ie that this was and is a sick organization and he needed to get the f out. I’d like to follow a similar path. I wish we had more insight as to what caused him to leave but I’m guessing it was a whole lot of frustration built up by non-baseball people in the upper echelon of the Org.
Jerry was responsible for Ward who is a very solid major leaguer. He also was responsible for 2014. Overall he was a very decent GM who then took it to the next level in Seattle.
Congratulations Jerry. This must be very sweet for you b
Dipoto was pretty open about why he quit. He was trying to deliver more analytics and scouting reports to his players, pitchers in particular, and felt Scioscia and his support coaches were blocking and filtering that info. He felt that after delivering a 98 win team the year before, he had earned the right to have more influence on the flow of information from the front office to the players, and Scioscia was not on board. He took the case to Arte, and Arte sided with Scioscia, so Jerry quit.
It’s not a puzzle – it’s pretty transparent. Arte intervened in free agency and drafting, and Dipoto inevitably couldn’t even control the things he should be able to control. He ultimately went to an organization where ownership gave him more agency over field management and roster construction, and Seattle was much improved by that
If you still can’t get over him leaving, then you’re simply siding with Arte…to this day. It’s just the worst case of Stockholm Syndrome among fanbases really, and it continues to plague so many. As awful as this owner has been, the overwhelming majority of Angels fans still side with Moreno on this matter. I saw it happening on Halos Heaven within days of Jerry leaving – shocked me then, still shocks me now.
Jerry was 100% right – he was trying to take the organization in the *right* direction, but fans would still rather him be loyal, weak and wrong. Sorry, just bizarre to me that folks wanted him to be Mike’s and Arte’s bitch – as if that would make it all better.
I felt and feel his leaving mid season was very weak. Had he left after the season was over I would have had zero issue for the reasons you discuss.
Meanwhile, I think the exact opposite. Leaving mid-season because he refused to STFU and just take a 7-figure paycheck is the strong, courageous move. He had enough self-confidence that, though there are only 30 of those jobs in the world, and he’s putting himself at risk by voluntarily leaving one, he felt he would find new work.
And he was viewed as so talented and valuable that he had multiple options in the end, and was hired by a division rival in six months flat. And he was the opposite of weak in his next position too – after winning 89 games, he secured permission from ownership to tear the team down to the studs and commence a complete rebuild, which he executed in two years flat. That takes guts – not remotely weak.
Didn’t the Red Sox immediately pick him up for a short spell after the walkout? Showed he had talent, for sure.
Yep – Boston hired him a month after he left the Angels. They were arguably the most sophisticated analytics operation in the sport at the time, and created an advisory position for him.
Look, I know it’s galling for Angels fans to respect their ex, but Dipoto was the one that got a way and did well for themselves. Everything he was trying to do for the Angels were the right things, and he applied that vision to remake a division rival with a focus on two principles especially: you can’t have enough good pitching, and player development based on scouting, ops innovation and analytics is what good, efficient teams are built on.
That’s the opposite of what Arte believes, so, when it comes to due respect and organizational philosophy, I’m Team Jerry until the old man dies or sells.
I accept your arguments and think that they are a legitimate way of looking at the situation. You express them forcefully and convincingly.
I think it’s also legitimate to say that walking out on a team in the middle of the season is abandoning ship. It was a petulant, emotionally charged reaction. He could have easily waited until the end of the season and then left and had the same situation with regard to new jobs available.
Either way you look at it, Arte clearly feels a field manager is of more importance than a GM. Another huge mistake by Arte which reveals his own and his stooges’ fundamental lack of baseball knowledge.
Fair enough, but I think it might be stretching things to suggest it was just some sudden emotional (“petulant”) reaction, as opposed to years-long frictions among Scioscia, Dipoto and Moreno. Those were frequently reported, and both Scioscia and Dipoto were on the hot seat going into 2014, after the team underperformed the previous year.
Could be just as likely that Dipoto had floated leaving previously, but figured things would change after he delivered the best record in the MLB in ’14. When it became clear that things were going nowhere, he left. But he actually did stick around for the draft, which was arguably the most important thing for him to be present for.
I also recall the insider on Halos Heaven talking about Jerry at Thanksgiving … anyone else remember that story? Damn, he sure seemed like a petulant bastitch.
now I’m nostalgic for JeDi
The guy is pretty dang good at GM’ing.
Good for him. Took a bottom three farm in mid-market Seattle and turned it into a top three farm in three years flat. Built an impressive pitching pipeline that just doesn’t quit. Made some gutsy trades at the deadline that paid off. Took the Mariners to the ALCS for the first time in 24 years. All after taking the Angels to an MLB-best win total in his last full year with the club.
It’s been full-blown garbage since that 98 win Dipoto team, but a pitching and analytics obsessed GM? Not loyal enough, sayeth the fanbase. Needed more humility they said, needed to take a knee and play out his contract.
I know I’m in the extreme minority in the Angels fanbase, but from that day forward, it’s always been Arte vs Jerry to me. Jerry was the model of an independent thinking GM, fighting to win, not to ‘contend’. We’ve had almost a dozen years of full-tilt Arte since Jerry rage quit, but fans dig a compliant GM.
The fanbase wanted loyalty to Arte, and oh did they bray and bray. The baseball gods heard and delivered, and they continue to.
Arte forever. Semper fi. If curses exist, the fans begged for this one.
And amazingly enough most of the posters here want a GM now, in the mold of Jedi, at least with regard to standing up to Arte, but then criticize Jedi for doing so. Jedi also had the challenge of not hiring his own manager so Scioscia didn’t really work for Jedi, he worked for Arte. Scioscia was essentially insubordinate.
Sosh had WAAY too much power. Everyone here knows how angry I was about Arte’s stubborn refusal to get rid of Scioscia when he was clearly holding us back from reaching our potential ….. I have said many times this team should have won 3 World Series between 2001-2010. Scioscia was the reason we didn’t. We should have had a Red Sox like run, and we were in a position to do that… Those were wasted years and chances we will never get back as a franchise.
All that said, there were some good things Scioscia brought to the organization, like discipline, focus, and an intolerance for loafing, goofing around etc… I don’t think guys like Moncada and Rengifo would have survived under Sosh.
I agree
Jerry has trying to usurp the dugout though
This is a complex issue.. where the GM role ends and where the Manager begins varies alot depending upon who you ask. Scioscia was an old school guy, and as such, though there were things he did really well, he was also closed-minded and limited in alot of ways… This became clear when his shit stopped working for like 6 or 7 years..
Perhaps if he had been more open to the analytics stuff he would have managed to get to or even win the World Series more than the single time in 18 years.. And that with some of the best talent in MLB.
I never had an issue with JeDi while he was a GM with the Angels but he quit, mid-year. Took the ez way out. F-him. Having said that, better GM than the previous two angels have hired but still don’t like Jerry.
Fair enough.
How is leaving guaranteed money on the table and reentering the job market with no clear next position the “ez way out”?
Sorry, we agree on a lot, but that’s some tortured logic there.
Dipoto also fired Mickey Hatcher, which the fanbase looooved, because hitting was in the toilet, but that created serious tension with Scioscia, because Hatcher was his guy, just like Carpino was Arte’s. It was an old boy group growing stale and mediocre, visibly so, and it needed disruption, but Arte didn’t want disruption, and still doesn’t.
But firing Hatcher was the right move.
Insert the Dumb and Dumber “love bathtub” image of Soth & Mickey Hacker below here … (I can’t find the darn thing no matter how hard I try!)
Always respected Polanco. Solid journeyman.
BTW, I just want to go on record that Ron Washington and Ray Montgomery are among my top 19 of the last Halo Skippers this millennium.
(Facetious ray off)
Let’s hear what Big Popi and A-Rood have to say about this one
Can’t say they didn’t earn it.
Fuckin’ A.
Absolutely incredible game.
CF fucked that up, fundamentals failure
Mariners have the edge with the remaining arms. If Flaherty goes back out, could be doom.
To put these great catcher’s throws in perspective, it’s 42 yards from home to 2b. From a football team’s 20 yard line to the opponents 38.
Dingier with a freaking laser throw
This is like the name of the car rental company in Planes, Trains and Automobiles.
This is one of the top handful of playoff games of my life.
The 2 best I barely remember (Hack Morris game 7 and 1986 game 6).
Games 6 & 7 WS ‘02
10/10/05 I was at game 5 ANA v NYY.
2018 Game 3 WS thriller, 18-innings. Dodgers -Red Sox.
https://x.com/MLBONFOX/status/1976848329746399673
Wicked with of the north is a Mariners fan.
Tte first comment is great:
She was 21 when this game started.
Ha ha.
missed that. Damn, that’s comedy gold!
You can attest, my name is NOT Mike Miggins:
“Wicked witch of the Pacific Northwest”
Can attest indeed.
No shit. Won the internet tonight, that one.
She looks like a cross between Caitlyn Jenner and Count Dracula !