Speaking of the Angels taking Bremner at No. 2, to say that nobody saw it coming would be understating it.
Though it was always likely that Bremner would go somewhere in the first round, anyone who mocked him at No. 2 overall would have been at risk of being, well, mocked. He only entered Sunday as MLB Pipeline’s No. 18 draft prospect.
To be clear, Bremner is absolutely worth rooting for. He is also undeniably talented, and the Angels think there’s more to him than meets the eye.
“We’ve been following Tyler for years,” said scouting director Tim McIlvaine to MLB.com’s Rhett Bollinger. “We really like Tyler’s changeup. We think it’s a pitch that, whenever he’s in trouble, he can go to that changeup. He can get outs with that. We like his fastball a lot at 98 mph, and he’s six-foot-[two] and he’s going to put on more weight. There’s a lot you can dream on.”
The catch is that Bremner is going to be a two-pitch pitcher until he develops a breaking ball that he can count on. Some starters can pull that off, but it generally takes three solid pitches to avoid ending up in a bullpen.
This was a reach, in other words, and one that cost the Angels a shot at the best pitcher in the draft class. And they didn’t exactly make up for it with their next three picks, none of which was a major steal.
The argument that Jedi can’t draft is not credible. He again ran circles around Perry.
I really want to hear the Perry defenders out there – and you know who you are – spin this into something positive. This was a draft that the Angels needed to get at least two above average MLB regulars from, and the argument can be made that they didn’t even get one above average MLB talent.
As for Bremner signing below slot as being the reason for his selection, I’m calling bullshit. Anderson signed below slot and he has more upside than Bremner.
I haven’t even begun to dissect taking a reliever at #47…..and I don’t care how hard the kid throws.
The draft was NOT dictated by Arte. The team will spend its entire draft budget allocation, Arte can’t penny-pinch here and force an outcome. Perry owns these selections – every bit of it. Drafting at #2 is “rare air” that the team may not see again for years given the CBA structure. Perry completely fucked it up.
Well this thread is like a black cloud on a rainy day in a funeral home with some early B-Side stuff from The Cure playing in the background.
Which of these 4 is closest to making an MLB appearance?
Honestly, from what I was told by scouts this summer, we have an about average scouting staff now. I seriously doubt the “arte won’t draft Boras guys” thing too. Unfortunately I think this draft was all Perry just doing something he has in his head. I actually like Bremner. But after that Salwiski is an OK pick and use of saved draft cap, but not at pick 3, and the other two guys? WTF man? You can do that type of shit after lunch tomorrow. The guys we left out there… hell, even if you were hell bent on going all pitching for these rounds, you still could have done so much better. Huge turd of a first day.
I was wait and see on the PTP front but he screwed the pooch here.
Hell, if they wanted to go all pitching, they would have gone Kade Anderson, Anthony Eyanson, Mason Morris and Jack Bauer… and what a Day One that would have been!
Agree 100%. Potentially transformative. So why didn’t they do something like that? Is it money? I mean it has to be right?!
Nah, watch. I bet they spend their whole bonus pool regardless.
I wasn’t clear – I meant are they saving money for later round picks? While I get that strategy sometimes – it has to be flexible when really good talent is available in earlier rounds.
Do you trust these imbeciles to select “good talent”?
Does drafting under-talent at #2 to have a little more money to take a flyer on a high school kid in round #10 really make more sense for the Angels? Hell, if I’m the Dodgers with a deep farm system – taking those risks makes more sense. The Angels with a low rated farm system – not so much.
Exactly. The draft is not the same as signing free agents or extending current contracts. The “Scrooge McDuck” perspective that Arte forced signing lesser talents to save money holds no water when it comes to the draft.
1st off thank you Turk for all the information. It has to be painful to put in all this time to scout these players and to watch what is in my mind the worst organization in North America sports just piss away a prime opportunity to get better. Until Angels fans stop showing up to home games nothing is going to change with this poverty organization.
Thanks. Yes , it’s painful, but part of the reason I do it is to familiarize myself with new generations of talent regardless of what the Angels do. So it has its own rewards.
Then do it. Don’t show up.
Once Trout retires (or else is traded), we don’t plan to go as often.
It’s fun to watch Trout, even if the prime years are gone. Sometimes, it’s frustrating.
Dos or 2 or to or too, tu, no matter how you see today’s draft we have two new relief pitchers, hmm, why? PTP is just a kid trying hard to play with baseball cards and hoping the other guys like him. What a Dick Weed. 😠
I’ve been saying this all this time. He is an intern with no one to report to. He’s even worse at his job than I previously thought.
Tony Reagins-esque really.
There is no spin for this day 1. For a team with the #2 pick and lots of opportunity, this is among the worst draft day ones I have ever seen from a sheer missed opportunity standpoint. I am absolutely blown away by the missed opportunity with the worst farm in baseball.
Even if can stomach the Bremner pick or at least try to spin it, the rest of the day is just mystifying to me. There was no drafting to fill need despite numerous opportunities to do so.
Was this money driven? Was this the result of mediocre scouting and poor preparation? Who knows.
The reality though is that this Org continues to be bottom three at best. But we have fireworks Saturday and bobble head giveaways! This is just a sick, shitty Organization.
The Perry draft room has “one weird trick” – drafting relievers who they hope they can develop as starters, and they repeat the move again and again, outside of a below slot first rounder they hope to rush to the MLB club.
No attempt at class diversification, no attempt to inject positional talent at multiple levels for the farm.
It’s bizarrely obtuse, and there’s been little attempt to adjust midstream. If you’re going to be contrarian, you have to hit your marks, and outside of the first round, they’ve missed them consistently (Bachman and Moore are TBD).
You think Bachman is tbd? It’s been 4 years, he was a huge red flag reliever risk when he was drafted and guess what. He is at best a major league reliever. What an absolute depressing day
I think Bachman is a reliever, yes.
It’s a bizarre strategy with no proven record of success whatsoever with any team. It’s one thing if you have a great farm system and you try to think outside the box. But the Angels farm is awful with holes everywhere. How they don’t draft to fill areas of need under such circumstances is totally beyond me. I am just speechless. Wasted opportunity is too kind to describe this draft.
Turk – don’t forget drafting a starter (Detmers) in the top 10 to end up with a reliever.
I think you got it, it’s all three. Money, failure to invest in proper scouting, and piss-poor preparation. It’s sad, really. The road to mediocrity goes thru Anaheim and will for the near future. Invest in a big splash (who may r may not sink to the bottom) from time to time to calm the honks, rinse, repeat. Distract with jumping monkeys for the youngsters, bobbleheads, and racing dots.
The money issues are driving the picks. The Halos go for below slot guys so they can make more alleged value picks later. FWIW, fans complained about Schanuel and various other higher picks before. Neto, Schanuel, Moore etc. look ok to date.
For the last year, Bremer was reviewed as a top college arm. He was heavily scouted. His results may not have been ideal. But he has real stuff, and they likely know a ton about him.
The second guy Shores has talent. He might be a diamond in the rough.
The high school guy I cannot comment on. But saving money was clearly part of this all. Let’s hope round four results in some quality.
It’s not the draft they had so much as the draft they could have had. I get the narrative and spin on Bremner. I’ll wait and see on that pick. The rest of them were garbage compared to what was available and what could have filled areas of need.
Look at who was available when these picks were made. Hell – Shore is a reliever with a 5 ERA in college! That’s the problem.
It’s impossible to polish a turd and sell it as a diamond.
Just came in and turned the computer on. I couldn’t hardly wait to see Anderson-Holliday-Hernandez name at the second draft pick, Let’s see if I got this right, M’s landed Anderson, Rockies landed Holiday, and we have the second pick and take last year’s college stud pitcher from medium sized school and then I said to GrandmaBaseball-beam me up Scotty as we flew by planet earth. Ok,Ok, I’ll wake up in the morning to see that life imitates Alice in Wonderland. Tantrum, “WTF is Perry thinking”. We have a gaping hole at third base do we not and we could use a pitcher to lead us to the playoffs, oh, someone like Anderson or Hernandez become a CYA winner and the f ing Pirates score. Perry is on heavy medication or drugs but again goes with slot shit money with second pick in the draft. At least Holiday and Hernandez are in the National League-oh, wait, now days we play everyone, jeez I now will here I don’t know anything about college players, and you’d be right as I didn’t care for last year’s pick either and now see promise.
GAPING HOLE AT THIRD BASE! Spot on!
Don’t worry we’re gonna sign Alex Bregman this off season
Serious question here; A few years back there was the all pitchers draft.
Yeah, our rotation is a ‘bit’ better (or incrementally better?). And now more bullpen pitchers drafted.Wasn’t Bachman being drafted in the first round clear that he would likely be a bullpen pitcher as well?
I simply don’t understand how this is possible. is this all on Perry, and is Perry the best we can get as there might be better options out there but no one wants to be involved with Arte? Long question but any info is appreciated.
None of the pitchers drafted in that 2021 draft are in the rotation, so it has little bearing on whether the Angels’ current rotation is a ‘bit’ better or not. It was a failed draft class.
Thanks Turk. Would you say the entire class (mlb) was a weak draft, or just the Angels?
I’m not Turk but Boston, Orioles and Pirates seemed like they had a great draft based on who they picked
No surprise. I don’t know if it’s our scouting or Perry, or a combination of both of them. I do remember the scout who drafted Trout was fired a few years later iirc. Doesn’t make much sense to say the least.
Good ole Eddie Bane. He and his scouts were fired by Tony Reagins and the last 15 years has been the legacy. Angels went from being one of the best minor league systems to one of if not the worst.
Go back and look at the 2021 first round . It was a shit burger draft
You might have answered my question.
Pirates’ haul is pretty speculative though – could bust across the board. But it makes some sense for the state of their system, and they’re good at developing pitching.
Baltimore and Boston rocked it.
A’ss weren’t bad either. Twins pretty good…. Rays were good.
Should have mentioned the Twins – that was one of my favorite classes.
A’s didn’t have many picks, but got two first founders with what they had.
Average draft class, a little weak at the top, but deep in talent.
The Angels’ haul is probably bottom three or four to me. It’s a weak, weak group.
Baltimore had the best Day One and it’s not close – they had a ton of extra picks, but didn’t waste any of them. Four top 50 guys, lots of diversification.
I love the Boston draft a lot. Seattle and Colorado had drafts I really like. KC and the Dodgers have intriguing classes.
Miami had a bat-first draft that would have benefitted the Angels system quite a bit. And St Louis took the players that I thought a (smarter version of) Perry would take.
There is a black hole death valley at 3b, nothing in the minors to fill it. These stiffs the Angels are rolling out there are pathetic. The one thing that is never forgivable is lack of hustle, and its on display with parts of this team. Was hoping the 3b and quality bat would be addressed with this draft. No such luck.
Lack of focus…. lack of seriousness. Both Rengifo and Moncada are clowns. Probably why other teams have discarded Moncada…yeah, he has the power skill, but first and foremost you have to be able to make the easy play at 3b…. The every day play.
If you mess that up we can’t keep you. It hurts the team too damn much. Just get me somebody who can field the position.
Listening to the radio broadcast today, it was obvious Mark Langston was so aggrevated at Moncada. He mentioned the failure to make the play four times. The Diamondback announcers said regarding the play “99% of single A players make that play.” Moncada was pulled from the game a couple of innings later. The Halos need an ass kicker as a manager.
The way he flips the ball across the diamond at times is hot dogging, too lazy to set his feet and use is arm
The guy is a hot dog… undisciplined. No way Bochy would have that guy on the roster.
And there is a reason the Rangers are the best fielding team in the Bigs. It is about focus and discipline. And it starts with the Manager !!
Yep. That was unforgivable. These are basic fundamentals that you learn in Little League…. Like, “Okay Yoan, just get in front of the ball…” You block the ball with your body etc…
So true that 99% of single A 3b make that play. It cost us the game… the whole inning unraveled because of that. Can’t put him out there… BTW, also made a lazy lame-ass throw that pulled Schanny off the bag and put the runner on first….
This guy is pathetic.
Based on my boards + BPA, alternative draft:
2: Kade Anderson
47: Quentin Young (my board) or Devin Taylor (BPA)
79: Taitn Gray (my board) or Anthony Eyanson (BPA)
105: Gavin Turley (my board) or Mason Neville (BPA)
Brutal to see that if I had been in the draft room, I could have had all of my first or second choices in each round.
(I suspect I would have gone Quentin, Eyanson btw, as it’d be too tempting to get two LSU rotation pieces over two boom/bust bats.)
And just to make the hard decisions here, and call between BPA and my fetish picks, I’d go:
Anderson, Young, Eyanson, Turley
Now we can grade my homework in 3-5 years.
Mine was the same except Alex Lodise where you have Young
I look at the contact data and just worry Lodise is a utility guy that struggles to hit at AA and above.
Young is every bit as hit tool challenged, but the ceiling is much much higher.
I just figure if I’m going high probability with Anderson, I can go upside risky with my #2.
Ok, I said I’d wait until all the Day One picks were in until I passed judgement.
Judgement:
This is a shitty little draft that consistently evaded BPA, upside and systemic needs.
Two of the four Day One selections were relievers I (somewhat sardonically) said Perry would pick, combined with a young developmental arm that is as far away as TGA and Jordon.
Not an upside bat along them.
Bremner will make the MLB club in 1-2 years and half the fanbase will be calling Perry a genius, because of course they will.
It is what it is.
It could have been a good draft, until they chose Chase Shores. This guy will get crushed by MLB hitters unless a pitching Svengali can work a miracle. Slawinski is an okay long term project, maybe 2029 or 2030 if all goes well. No bats with a farm that has not many bats. Yeeesh.
Swawinski should be a Day Two round #11 guy with their bonus pool.
They passed up mid-rotation now arms for that.
And then took another reliever, with suspect stuff, because “velocity”.
https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/draft/nate-snead-805422
Our farm has no bats, not not many.
I’ve gotta lie down now. See you guys in the morning
Welp. Pitching Chaos. Still an option.
what time is round 4 tomorrow?
whoa! 8:30 am!! Set up fine for the East Coast.
I expect a report when I log in
At I don’t Care Anymore O’Clock. Pen arms available all day.
Perry drafted those first 4 picks like we are still in the last season of Troutani.
Weird. Bremner will pan out tho because Gaucho
Why spend years developing when you can fast track them in under one year?
Five years in and Perry has clearly rubber-stamped his draft strategy. This is who he is and how he sees player development.
I think it’s also influenced at the top by Arte. Almost guarantee he’s told them no Boras clients which probably f’ed us tonight.
I don’t mind fast-tracking guys, per se.
2 relievers in the top 100? That’s not it
so, on day one of the draft, if I’d been GM we’d have Kade Anderson, Alex Lodise, Anthony Eyanson, and Gavin Turley. And if any one of you had been GM your list would be just as good and I think all of ours would be better than what we have. And the two shakin’ my head picks are Shores and Snead. Bremner, Slawinski, we could be ok there.
I asked a guy that works for a pro team in analytics where Baseball America would rank if you just drafted their top available player, and he said 10th. Like literally the Angels would likely be far better at drafting if Arte went super cheap and just bought a draft preview issue of Baseball America.
That would have injected so much life into the farm. Replenish with some plus prospects. Although instead of either Lodise or Eyanson, I’ll take Quentin Young there.
But either way, aside from Bremner, this draft was just crapshoot.
Turley at 105 and JQI at 109 would’ve been perfect.
So many other things would have been perfect. Bremner’s not even a problem. Slawiski’s not bad either. But WTF? Just pulling em out my ass…. Lodise and then Turley…. plug them in there, I’m happy enough.
Shores and Snead? How did we NOT draft Doyle?
of course we have to sign Slawinski. If he, for some reason, decides to go to A&M then we’re left with Bremner for day 1.
Yeah. Snead. Bullpen arm. fastball. Hurray. Fk.
A guy who throws but if he doesn’t locate it he gets crushed. Sound familiar?
2025 MLB Draft Thread
After all the waiting and predictions, the draft is here. Rounds 1-3 will take place tonight with the remaining 17 rounds going down tomorrow.
Here is the draft order for you to follow. The Angels pick four times – at 2, 47, 79 and 105 – tonight. Tomorrow will be picks 109, 140, 169 and the second pick in every subsequent round.
The Angels bonus pool is $16,656,400. Those funds are to cover the signing bonuses for their first 10 selections. Players selected after the 10th round can be signed for up to $150,000 without it impacting the salary pool. Any amount over $150,000 to a player drafted after the 10th round will be deducted from the bonus pool.
The Angels make exceed their bonus pool by 10% before incurring any penalties by MLB, so the team essentially has an extra $1,555,640 they can spend to try to lure young talent.
Turk’s Board
TT here – here’s a digested version of many of the names discussed in my various 2025 MLB Draft installments. You can basically read this as a sample of players I’m personally interested in – four to a round – ranked roughly left to right. Guys I think are solid value (and plausibly available) for each round.
You don’t have to view each column as a “package”, but I do aim for some positional diversification here, and try to create bat-heavy draft classes that still incorporate some pitching – roughly a 2:1 ratio.
Some of these names will go much earlier, or much later than suggested. That’s just the nature of stock picking in the draft. This is also not meant to be comprehensive of all the players I like in the draft. There are a lot of guys in the supplemental rounds (eg, Alex Lodise, Anthony Eyanson, Mason Neville, etc) that I just don’t think will plausibly be available in Round Two, for example.
Note too that there is very little prep pitching here. I simply don’t know who is available or affordable after the first round, so am punting a bit until Day Two, until we can basically say – these guys’ bonus demands weren’t met, maybe the Angels will get one on an overslot deal in rounds 11-12.
So that’s what the Rd 11-12 section is here – just complete guesses on the sorts of players who might fall, given current rankings and college commitments. I pair one interesting highschooler with one interesting senior sign / collegiate in each case. No predictions – just examples of potential 11-15 guys where bonus pool savings might be allocated.
Note that JoJo Parker in the fourth position in Round One is a special case. The Angels have definitely been heavily scouting him, but I like him chiefly if (1) he comes at a steep discount, and (2) the Angels reallocate that savings to other prepsters, like his twin brother Jacob, and power upside guys like Taitn Gray or Josiah Hartshorn. If the team goes young in this draft, don’t make it a one-off, make it a movement.
Have fun everyone!