LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Touki T

Touki Toussaint cleared waivers and was outrighted to Salt Lake City.

Dylan Cease and Hunter Greene are both on the injured list. So is Evan Phillips of the Dodgers. The Orioles acquired Luis F. Castillo from the Mariners for cash. The Orioles will also sign Cuban left-hander Naykel Cruz. The Mets signed Colin Poche to a minor league deal.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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LanaBanana
Super Member
2 minutes ago

Anyone going to be at the game tonight?

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
25 minutes ago

I wonder if Washington will give Paris the day off today, now that he seems to be getting back on track. Would be classic Wash logic.

MarineLayer
Super Member
38 minutes ago

Detmers has given up 12 runs in 1/3 of an inning. How is it possible to be so terrible?

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
27 minutes ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

It’s actually Jose Suarez in a Reid Detmers suit

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
24 minutes ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Well, we fixed everything by getting rid of Suarez. It was an unlivable atrocity having him in Spring Training, but the pain is over now and CtPG Guy can share his story of survival with his girlies over a box of pink wine.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
22 minutes ago

We should all buy ourselves shirts, like cancer survivors

Twebur
Legend
1 hour ago

Got a good look at Los Angeles Angels 18 yr old Joswa Lugo, I had been told he could be the best prospect in the ACL this year. That is a big statement but I didnt see anything to disagree with. In 13 AB’s so far hes batting .385 with a .923 OPS. 2024 Mid season DSL All Star.

https://x.com/JEspinoza1634/status/1920531603971076364

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 hour ago

I still don’t expect much in 2025, but I will certainly enjoy when we win.

Go Halos!!

Twebur
Legend
2 hours ago

The Detroit Tigers join all of baseball in mourning the passing of Chet Lemon. While he was a World Series Champion and All-Star on the field, perhaps his biggest impact came off of it. That includes creating the Chet Lemon Foundation and dedicating much of his post-playing

https://x.com/tigers/status/1920547159792828599

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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23 minutes ago
Reply to  Twebur

This bummed me out. when I was really little I liked Chet Lemon a lot… likely because of his name.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
10 minutes ago

Chet Lemon was a great name to say when imitating John Ramsey, the original Angels public address announcer who also did the Dodgers, Lakers, Kings, Rams, Raiders, and USC Trojans.  🙂 

I once had a boss who played minor league baseball with Lemon, who went by “Chester” back then.

Twebur
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2 hours ago

Intriguing young righty in the Arizona Complex League for the Los Angeles Angels Ubaldo Soto. Dont read into Tues boxscore, Sox had 23 yr old Colson Montgomery and 25 yr old Bryce Willits top 3 in the order. 3.2IP 4H 2ER 2BB 5K’s 56 pitches, good pitch mix, mid 90’s FB.

https://x.com/JEspinoza1634/status/1920544360015212599

Angelz4ever
Super Member
2 hours ago

It is nice to be on the other side of the “Avoid the sweep” cheer.

Go Halos!

Turk's Teeth
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Super Member
3 hours ago

The Athletic (Keith Law) also dropped their first mock draft of the season within 24 hrs of MLB Pipeline’s. Law had the Angels with the same pick as Callis did: Liam Doyle.

Everyone thinks the Angels will take a college player and attempt to move him quickly to the big leagues, as they did with Zach Neto and Nolan Schanuel and seemed set to do with Christian Moore before he had some contact issues in Double A. There’s been more smoke around them taking one of the two college lefties, as both appear likely to be able to throw in the big-league bullpen in the second half of this season, if the Angels wanted them to do so. All that said, they’ve been heavy on Hernandez recently too.

At least there’s a little hope there in that last sentence – Law suggests they’re in on Doyle, Arnold and Hernandez. That’s two of my top four.

If they did go Hernandez, it would be quite the departure for this draft room. They’ve tended to go prep on Day Two with overslot deals in the #11-12 range. But even more, despite SoCal being one of the nation’s hot spots for baseball talent (especially prep), the Angels have only made two draft selections from California in the past four drafts (and both from NorCal).

Last edited 3 hours ago by Turk's Teeth
cookmeister
Trusted Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

The Moore sentence kind of makes me laugh. He would have been brought up if he didn’t get hurt last year, not the contact issues

I’m all for Hernandez, you sold me on that. He has way better feel/command that most prepsters and could conceivably move “quickly”

I wonder about your thoughts on Jace. He has obviously fallen off the rankings a bit after being at the top going into the season. His big question marks were k% and contact iirc, and last I saw he has improved in both areas. I’m curious as to why he has dropped so much considering he has improved in the questionable areas. Is it just that guys have jumped over him, or is it that he hasn’t taken off MORE than people wanted him to
?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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19 minutes ago
Reply to  cookmeister

He had a slow start. I think if he crushes pitchers to end the season he’ll sneak upwards. He also still has a lot of swing and miss….

Turk's Teeth
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16 minutes ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Jace hasn’t really consistently improved, for one thing. Three weeks ago, he had driven his average up to .315, and was making progress in chase / contact metrics. Since then, and coinciding with more head-to-head top 25 play, his batting average has dropped 40 pts, and his K% is up near 22% again.

There are a number of Power Four hitters available – also CF, also left-handed power-over-hit types – in the top five rounds.

Like, why would a team rrisk a first round selection on Jace (122 wRC+, 15 HRs, .318 ISO) over someone like Mason Neville (171 wRC+, 24 HRs, .500 ISO)?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I would sure like to see the halos get a big college bat in the draft. Impact hitters may move up slower, but we gotta get a few power threats coming up from the farm.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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18 minutes ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

The good news, if they take a pitcher #2 there are some nice college hitters that’ll still be there at #47.

Pineapple12
Super Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

it’s weird, all I was able to read was they’ve been heavy on Hernandez recently too.

Assuming Holliday goes #1, we can’t select Hernandez quick enough

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 hour ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s nice to have pick #2.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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20 minutes ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Man. I really hope they don’t take a guy they’d generally select at ten (Doyle) with the #2 pick. Doyle’s fine I guess. But this is the chance to really swing for the fences baby!

Turk's Teeth
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Super Member
10 minutes ago

The rankings really don’t bother me in this draft. There aren’t clear-cut stars in the first round, so the separation between #1 and #10 is not that great.

One of the guys I’m most hyped on, Witherspoon, is ranked #8-12 in most rankings (though he went #5 in today’s mock draft at The Athletic).

But what bothers me with Doyle are the same red flags that scouts laid on Bachman: serious relief risk, concerns about the effortful delivery, future injury, and a fastball dominance that doesn’t speak to how the secondaries will eventually play in pro ball.

The downside on guys like Witherspoon and Arnold is #4 starter with some hittability concerns. The downside on Doyle is single-inning reliever who is injured as much as he is healthy.

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 minutes ago

Make every day a Holliday!

Give me Seth, or give me death!

MarineLayer
Super Member
3 hours ago

Pirates fire their manager, Texas fires their hitting coach, but both Washingtons still remain.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
2 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

That dang George is still around. Yikes

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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17 minutes ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Eh. It’s not that big a deal really.

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
3 hours ago

Suppose Perry trades Tyler Anderson for that comp pick several people on this site want, who replaces him in the rotation? The team may want to stretch Detmers out before handing him the spot while Aldegheri, Eder and Dana are already on the 40-man roster (as is Silseth, but I’d like him to find his control before they call him up again). So, who gets the call?

Turk's Teeth
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Super Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

Detmers first, with Dana in reserve feels like the best approach.

I’d try Aldegheri, then Klassen, after that. It’d be preferable to let Klassen work things out for May and June in AA, I think.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

the problem is, what team is really going to need Anderson for the rotation? The only one I could MAYBE see is the dodgers because of their injuries, and we know ARTE doesn’t like to deal with them usually. I can’t really see any of the other teams needing a rotation piece, but things could change.

I’d say Jansen would be more likely

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  cookmeister

I don’t know about that. Most teams don’t have 5 starters with ERAs below 3. Just about any team could use him, especially for a back of rotation boost.

Even if his ERA gets closer to 3.5 it’s probably still an upgrade for most team’s 4th or 5th starter.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

just not sure that 2 months of a late 30s SP to be a 5th starter is worth a comp pick to those other teams.
Dodgers: yes, and they have 2 picks
Yanks: could see it, if injuries happen too
Mets: SP are best in baseball right now, and they would aim a lot higher than Anderson
Twins: nope
Marlins: nope
Rays: nope
Tigers: doubtful
Red Sox: doubtful, would aim much higher
Mariners: nope

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Boston gave up 4 prospects last year for 37 year old reliver Luis Garcia. Anderson, if he stays sub-3.5 ERA, should be worth more than that.

I don’t know about getting a comp pick necessarily or how those are valued by teams, but there’s no way Anderson doesn’t have trade value.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
1 hour ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

not saying he doesnt have value, but Dodgers got theirs for Lux, who I’d imagine his age and contract had much more value than Anderson.

we will see for sure. That’s why I think Jansen actually could be better suited for that pick, as contenders always need high leverage relievers for the home stretch and playoffs

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 hour ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

The question is timing-The Phillies, Dodgers and Yankees all have very good blue chip OFers chomping on the bit @ AAA that are blocked-Also the Dodgers have a high average IFer at A/AA and a Catcher/LFer that are also blocked.

If Perry can negotiate for an impact player, though he has done an admirable job flipping a few players at the deadline in the past.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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5 minutes ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Yeah. I want the comp pick, but if Perry skips trading for the comp pick in favor of a good hitter at AA that’s likely better for us.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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7 minutes ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Forgot where I read it but comp picks are mid-value. A farms top 10 prospect is more valuable to a team. Guys who have already developed trump a high pick who can become Bachman. But they value a comp pick more than say their #15 prospect etc.

That’s the general general idea….

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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10 minutes ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Oh… didn’t realize we were just talking comp pick teams. It would have to be a team that wants to get really burly for the title chase. For example, the Yankees will load up to try matching the Doyers.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  cookmeister

The Yankees are hurting SP wise, one more goes down they may trade that held down OFer they have @ AAA.

For that matter, the same sitch with with the Blew Crue.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

yanks and dodgers would be the only ones that could make sense

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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12 minutes ago
Reply to  cookmeister

The Cubs. The Orioles. The Brewers. The A’ss. The Astros. The Padres. The D-backs. The Mets. The Yankees. The Phillies. All need more rotation quality if they want to compete. Hell, the Tigers may want him if they are “all in”.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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16 minutes ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

It will either be Detmers or it will be a retread off the streets. It will be ugly… but progress.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
3 hours ago

The Rockies might be worse than last years white sox. 6-29 for the moment, losing 9-0 right now in the 4th inning. On pace to win 27 games.

tanana40
Super Member
2 hours ago

Let’s see how we play against them which I don’t think is until September.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
1 hour ago
Reply to  tanana40

The dreaded September series vs the worst team!

Angelz4ever
Super Member
5 hours ago

I saw something bad in Adell’s ABs. On his left foot lift, he moves it back towards his body, so he is basically swinging against (Some of) his own body weight in motion.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Angelz4ever

Now all you have to do is get him to stop that shit…. and stop swinging at pitches outside the strike zone.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
2 hours ago

Yeah, that too….

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Twebur

Yah. Pirates board’s all hot and bothered. NOW the team’s hitters will actually decide to hit the ball damn it!

Angelz4ever
Super Member
5 hours ago
Reply to  Twebur

Derek Shelton became the first major league manager to be fired in 2025, as the Pittsburgh Pirates opted to go in a different direction Thursday.”

Oh yeah, that direction is going to sooooo change immediately-Let’s see, not spending money to retain talent, being an AAAA team, developing talent for other teams, brutally bad trades, yeah, that losing record is on the manager’s shoulders alright.

Jim Atkins
Super Member
4 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

This was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw the headline. Taking the fall for a craptastic owner. Takes talent to be worst than Arte. Or the bozo that owns the Rockies.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

I don’t know which school of ownership is worse for fans:

“Moneyball” (AKA spend no money): Pittsburgh, ChiSox, Colorado

Spend inconsistently and unwisely: Angels, Padres, Mariners, Nationals, Indians Guardians, Twins, Blue Jays (That Guerrero contract-Wow!)

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Angelz4ever

Let’s not forget “competing” by keeping Bubba Chandler in AAA to control his FA clock.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
2 hours ago

#KRISBRYANT

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 hours ago

I’m hoping that that we see Detmers sent down to get stretched out to start. It may be a fools errand but, they should give it one more attempt.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  BannedInLA

This is a good idea. It’s not a fools errand because he sucks AND he looks despondent on the mound. They can give him a “chin up” speech. Tell him they’ll likely need him in the rotation after trades. Send him to the minors with a hard drive full of video and a bunch if goals. Tell him they are gonna lengthen him out and he needs to get some issues fixed while he does it. Tell him he’s still in the plan this year, just go get longer and get your shit strait. Hell, send him to Tempe to work for a week if he needs the lab, then to a team.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
5 hours ago

One of the top near term priorities for the organization should be to get him fixed and make him a starter.

FungoAle
Legend
6 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Angels should get his name out there on the trade market. He is being misused and organizations with solid pitching development could easily fix him. It’s just not happening here. His stuff is better than most on this team.

Twebur
Legend
5 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Doubt he’s easily fixed. He might be a guy that equal blame is given for his lack of development. Obviously he’s an Angel, we don’t develop, but I sense he has some issues that have limited his potential, as you said “His stuff is better than most on this team”. His two out, 2 strike, 1st inning, 0-2 counts that end up as walks, and other meltdowns, are his MO and in his DNA. Can’t blame everything on our various managers, GM’s, pitching coaches for his lake of consistency. Big portions falls on his shoulders.

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
5 hours ago
Reply to  Twebur

Looks like it didn’t take much for Canning.

Twebur
Legend
5 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

I’ll lay a modest amount in my Ippei/Betts.com account that things even out some…it’s May 8th. He had good stretches with us too… IMHO

FungoAle
Legend
5 hours ago
Reply to  Twebur

Just look at Canning, escaping from Anaheim was such a good thing for him. Simple pitch mix has made improvements. Philosophy changes. Will it last for Griff? I don’t know but if he was here, we would not be seeing that kind of output. Agree? We got a DH for a viable arm. Detmers had success in 22-23, in 24, he got away from what worked. Still paying the price. I really do want to see him get added to a good org.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Idk about a new philosophy, he needs a new location. How many coaches has he had just being on the angels? 4? All 4 can’t fix him?

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
2 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Agree and agree.

RexFregosi
Super Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

another moniker for the home of the Derby is Lousyville, KY.

It’s is where Detmers and Adell come from.

Maybe we shouldn’t get any more players from Lousyville.

Turk's Teeth
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Super Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Sooo many of the Angels’ top draft selections come from that same region of TN/KY and southern OH. Bachman, Joyce, Moore, Murphy, Olejnik, Detmers, Adell. There and in TX/OK.

Gotta think the purging of regional scouts and cross-checkers during the pandemic left the Angels’ national coverage very gappy, with 2-3 scouts from the Appalachian and TX/OK regions having disproportionate voice in drafting.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Man. the god’s are hating the Reds right now. First they have no McClain…. he comes back just in time for Noelvi Marte to get hurt…. now Hunter Greene is out…. snake bit. I wonder how Arte managed to make this happen…..

Angelz4ever
Super Member
5 hours ago

Arte would be over paying Joey Votto to play 1B at league age 44.

Last edited 5 hours ago by Angelz4ever
Twebur
Legend
7 hours ago

Is it time to start moving some guys…Heef has been in country a long time. Other teams are active, see what we can get.

Wash confirmed that he pulled Rengifo because he lost track of the outs.

https://x.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1920338577751191601

Pineapple12
Super Member
6 hours ago
Reply to  Twebur

Rengifo, Ward, Adell, Detmers.

These are all Eppler’s guys. I’m a fan of 3/4 of them, but we are getting to the point where moving on is best for us (other than maybe Detmers).

Neto, O’Hoppe, Schanuel, Paris are our present and future. Further down the line Moore, Rada

Last edited 6 hours ago by Pineapple12
FungoAle
Legend
6 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Paris was Eppler and Ward was Dipoto

Pineapple12
Super Member
5 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Good call on Ward, can’t believe I forgot the infamous JeDi high five.

Paris is also Eppler but I gave him a pass

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Twebur

If we can get what we want, which is either a comp pick or 50 grade prospect in a deal I’d trade any of our guys at any point to do it. I think a lot of teams had to see who they have, see if internal options fix problems, etc. But if I were a Platypus I would be trading dudes in April if teams wanted them.

Twebur
Legend
6 hours ago

One good thing about Neto, O’hop and I’ll be nice and throw Schanuel on that list….I don’t think any of them are effected or infected by “The Heef” and his lackadaisical play and effort.

FungoAle
Legend
6 hours ago

Platt has yet to make that kind of move. Pre-deadline deals in an attempt to add more prospect depth. Unfortunately he thinks the team can compete.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  FungoAle

I don’t think there were many teams willing to give us what we want in April whether Perry wanted to trade or not. We could offer Ward in April but I doubt anyone’s giving us anything at that point.

FungoAle
Legend
5 hours ago

Agree, April is a bit early but one would hope the GM is working today to offload Anderson, Beefo, Ward and Detmers with the intention of expanding the prospect base vs, going for the 2025 pennant. At the deadline, dump Jansen, Soler and Moncada. Commit to it Perry. Prey on the contenders when a they suffer significant injury setbacks.

toad2065
Trusted Member
5 hours ago
Reply to  Twebur

Dumb rookie mistake! Oh, wait…

steelgolf
Legend
5 hours ago
Reply to  Twebur

Rengifo, physically talented, 10 cent head.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
5 hours ago
Reply to  Twebur

As much as I have been incredibly unimpressed with Washington’s game management this year, I do appreciate his willingness to immediately bench guys for brain fart mistakes.

DowningDude
Legend
7 hours ago

Ole Shoey

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
8 hours ago

Hoping Paris is waking up a little. He has a hit in 4 of the last 5 games and is 5 for 16 with a 2B, a HR, 2 BBs, and 3 RBIs.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I noticed in the first Blue Jays game, he is managing to keep his head on the ball more. I saw it on a foul ball and an out…. but it was a good sign and he’s certainly looking like he’s getting hits again.

Come on THE KIDZ!

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
5 hours ago

Paris becoming even a league average starter would be such a huge boost. Neto and O’Hop is a good start but add a third legitimate young player and by golly that’s 50% better.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

If, at season’s end, Paris & Nolan look like solid roster spots I’ll be stoked.

The pitching…. sheesh…. gotta see if ANY of these kids want a job. Anyone still wondering why a team that is trying to rebuild keeps arms like Anderson, Hendricks and Koochie on the roster? Cause you’ll always need someone whose hair isn’t on fire on the staff.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
3 hours ago

 😂 

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
8 hours ago

I turned it off after 8. Boy was I surprised when I woke up this morning.

toad2065
Trusted Member
5 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

That’ll teach you, Roy! 😊 

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