LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Blue Jay Win

The Blue Jays are moving on to the ALCS with their 5-2 victory over the Yankees. Now that they have POBO Paul Toboni, the Nationals are cleaning house. Zack Rosenthal, the Rockies Assistant GM, has resigned.

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MarineLayer
Legend
1 day ago

The Angels need to learn from the Brewers’ and Blue Jays’ approach of not striking out as much.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
1 day ago

MFY’s lost. Great Season!
I think that’s 16 in a row!

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 day ago

Tonight’s in-flight movie will be “A bridge too far” starring Clayton Kershaw and Dave Roberts.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 day ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

A little sad actually. Kershaw got lucky the inning before with a couple defensive gems and a baserunning miscue. Running him back out there ended up being cruel since he could have otherwise been viewed as a kind of folk hero.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Lets GO PHILLIES! NahDoyers!

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 day ago

8 of the top 12 payrolls made the postseason with the Mets just missing. Of the other 4 teams in the playoffs, the Mariners were 16, the Tigers were 17, the Brewers were 23, and the Guardians were 25. Atlanta at 8, the Angels at 13, and the orioles at 15 got the least bang for their buck as they were the only teams in the top 15 that were not fighting for a playoff spot. The other 12 teams in the top 15 were all in the hunt in September. Maybe Atlanta wasn’t the right organization to hire a GM from.

Budget isn’t so much our problem, we need to hire someone from an organization that knows how to draft and develop players so we can pair that with a decent payroll. If Arte could field a team that could be competing for the post season almost every year and make it every other year he would be back to drawing 3M plus and make plenty of money to pay the bills.

Kevin
Trusted Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

The Guardians seem to know how to take lesser payrolls and do more with them. Brewers have tapped into something also.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
1 day ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I’m starting to break down the hard math on the playoff teams. First segment is in tomorrow’s links. I hadn’t looked at payroll, but this is good and I will likely borrow this and give you credit in another post.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Payroll is kind of funny because it depends on where you look and what’s included. I just looked at one list but the teams move around a little depending on what’s being counted. Total obligations vs current 26 man roster vs ? etc. but they’re pretty close. The bottom line though is that of the 12 teams that made the post season, only 4 were outside of the top 12 with most of those in the top 15 who did not make the post season being in the hunt until near the end. There are outliers, but they are the exception. The odds go way down if you are not in the top 12-15. And the Angels are in the top 15, so the problem is not the payroll, it’s how it’s being spent. You just have to have enough inexpensive players from your system to offset the cost of the players you supplement with unless you are the Mets, the Dodgers, the Yankees or the Phillies. Interestingly, the Mets and Yankees are out, and one of the Dodgers or Phillies will be. But the Jays are 5th in payroll.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

The thing is, this stuff just sort of balances out. I mean, top 15 means top half. It is very hard to have a team with a fair number if guys who are even well into arbitration and not crack the top half of payroll in the game. Most of the teams that fall below it are below it because they are stripped down. As they get good players and start paying them, even in arb, the payroll goes up. Ad a couple FAs and poof, you are top 15 at least. A team like the White Sox will bounce around this line a lot over a decade.

We should be under it now….

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 day ago

Perhaps with some teams, but most of the teams in the top 10 will likely be there over the long haul and there will be movement in some cases as you state. Some teams like Tampa, Oakland, and the Pirates will never be there.

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Fansince1971
Legend
1 day ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Budget is in fact our problem because two of the highest paid players in baseball (Trout and Rendon) are producing nothing. Because Arte has a budget (albeit the 13th highest) these two contracts have blocked the ability to do much from a Free Agency standpoint.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

So he’s willing to spend, he just makes poor decisions on how to spend it.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 day ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Yes and those two contracts have hamstrung the team given Arte’s strict budget. I am not saying Arte should spend like a drunken sailor. I am also not saying that Arte is cheap. But given those two contracts are producing approximately 1 WAR (for $80m) there is an argument that if Arte really wants to be “competitive” he should look at that Trout/Rendon money as a sunken cost and increase the budget by that amount (i.e. $80m) as though those contract do not exist (since they are not producing any value).

It is the same for a business that made a big investment four years ago in some technology and that suddenly finds it is not competitive since that technology is no longer productive. If it will take five more years to pay off or write off that old technology – does that business just keep the same budget until the old technology expense is paid off and then invest in new technology? I would argue that is a poor business practice since those years of having old and non-productive technology puts the business behind and maybe renders it irrelevant. Proper business practice in such a situation is to write off the old debt and invest in new technology to become more productive – even if that requires borrowing capital to do so.

That is why Arte’s strict budgetary measures are bad business. It is NOT because his budget is unreasonable or cheap under normal circumstances. It IS because 40% of the budget is taken up by old and unproductive technology and under those specific business circumstances, the budget should go significantly up^ essentially writing off and ignoring the non-productive debt.

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Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I don’t disagree, but unlike the business, he can’t write it off. So I’m not sure where that extra 80M dollars comes from. I guess he could if the Angels lose money. he would also be penalized for going over the cap, but possibly only one year as a lot comes off after 2026. They really need 3 more Netos to help offset the cost.

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Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
1 day ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The problem is this is a recurring problem for Arte.

Matthews Jr., Wells, Hamilton, Pujols, Rendon…there’s an endless baton of horrible contracts that hamstring the team.

I still say you make the Mike Trout gamble 100 times out of 100. But you can add that contract to the mix.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 day ago

**** the Yankees!!!

WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 day ago

2 more wins! Give me 2 more wins Gump!

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steelgolf
Legend
1 day ago

It would be awesome to see the Phillies take down the billion dollar boys in blue.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Indeed!!

BannedInLA
Super Member
1 day ago

Can’t pin the loss on Aaron Judge this year. He batted .500.

I read some comments by Trout a few days ago talking about his strong finish, mechanical fix to his swing and the desire to cut down on the 32% K rate in 2025 (versus a career K rate of 23%). He also wants to further rehab the knee so that he can play OF next year.

I hope they nix the idea of him being anything other than DH. What’s the point? Trout appears to still have 30+ homer power if he gets enough plate appearances. I realize we have resources tied up in the other DH but, that dude stinks. They should cut bait on him and eat the money.

Last edited 1 day ago by BannedInLA
steelgolf
Legend
1 day ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I didn’t understand the Soler move when they made it. He does nothing to help this team go anywhere except tread water in last place. It is is very doubtful Yrout’s knee will rehab enough to become a full time outfielder.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  steelgolf

Just Perry doing Perry things.

MarineLayer
Legend
1 day ago

Or being played by his old boss, the sucker at the poker table who doesn’t know he’s the sucker.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  steelgolf

The assumption was that he would DH. Because it gets in the way of a good complaint we forget that it was a MAJOR CRISIS getting Trout to move to RF, much less left, where he should play, MUCH LESS DH. The team was weak AF as far as power goes in 2024. Soler was meant to DH and add some pop along with Moncada’s pop at 3B.

Try to think back to March of 2025 and imagine this board on the day that PTP announces Trout’s gonna primarily DH. It would have been a surprise. Hell, even now they have to play like Trout’s still an OF even if he looked like he couldn’t play RF in a rec league last year and the challenge of it all broke him at the plate.

That’s why we have Soler and it makes sense. If you got his average season at DH it was a minor plus. But he fell prey to Angels Fan Bitch Magic and didn’t have a normal season.

steelgolf
Legend
1 day ago

Or, he fell prey to The Angels hitting philosophy. And I believe that The Angels have top tier philosophyzerers in their coaching department.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
1 day ago
Reply to  steelgolf

He also went on the IL twice with back problems. His swing on outside pitches was atrocious to watch.

At the time of the trade most of us were fine with it. The Angels DH’s in 2024 were among the worst in the league. Soler was going to make them slightly above average for 2 years at minimal prospect cost.

If his back is healthy and he has a normal Soler year, he’ll be worth the roster spot.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Unpossible. Pay him to go away.

Not sure if CtPG Guy realizes how fking disgusting it is to demand that their dad who they hate pay millions of dollars every year so that they can have eight hours of schadenfreude and not have to see “that guy” on lists anymore. It makes sense if you need that roster spot so that a difference maker can take it and put the team in the play offs or something. Otherwise it’s totally Karen and the other fan bases I mix with mock us for it all the time.

If Soler’s healthy he’ll be a slightly above average DH who is likely blocked by Trout most of the time. He will likely get a start in the outfield every blue moon and we can all cry about it. When Trout gets hurt we’ll be glad he’s here cause at least he has some pop. Zomz depth!

FungoAle
Legend
1 day ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Being ditched by two former teams on consecutive years, here comes Perry Minasian snd jumped at acquiring him. Tragic.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 day ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Trout really wants to believe he is still relevant. He is such a nice guy I would hope it to be true. Problem is that all the words and hope don’t make up for time and the impact of injuries.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’m ambivalent regarding this topic. If Trout wants to play the OF, let Trout play the outfield. If Trout wants to increase his stolen base counts, so be it. If Trout wants to use a “Barbie” plastic bat when facing Skubal, let him.

The reality is that “what Trout does” doesn’t matter in the overall scheme of things. We had peak Trout and peak Ohtani and couldn’t fight our way out of a wet paper bag. If Trout gets injured, it’s not like he’s the linchpin to our championship hopes. If he forgets how to hit ML pitching, so be it. If he’s on IR, it opens a roster spot for some young kids to sow his oats.

This franchise has so many problems that “should Trout play in the field” doesn’t even register in the top 50 priority issues that require attention.

Fuck it. Let Trout be Trout.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 day ago

Well put. I agree with you. In the great scheme of things it is a nothing burger.

MarineLayer
Legend
1 day ago

It literally doesn’t matter what he or anybody else does in this putrid organization. He might as well be the opening day pitcher if he wants.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Has anyone ever bothered to actually get a count of how many games we had OHTANI at full strength and pitching with Trout uninjured on the roster at the same time? Like how many 162 game seasons in total was that really? 3? 2.5?

JackFrost
Legend
1 day ago

Well stated …

FungoAle
Legend
1 day ago

Those two peaks never lined up, sadly

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  FungoAle

It was the last 3 years that Shohei was excelling, and Trout was out most of that time.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Trout should make friends with being a DH. Rehab isn’t likely to cure the wear and tear.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

That’s part of that hard decision making the needs to be done. They need to get better defensively. Trout needs to DH and Soler needs to be traded even if you pay some of his salary. How much of Trout’s salary would you have to pay to trade him?

Last edited 1 day ago by Roy Hobbs
PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Guessing at least half and perhaps all but $10MM-15MM a year. His resume is great but it has been three years since he produced any notable WAR. That is in a pure salary dump with nothing coming back.

BannedInLA
Super Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Exactly. He should endeavor to Edgar Martinez or Big Poppi.

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