LA Angels Thursday News Crash: High Voltage

When we talk about the highs and lows of the Angels organization, we are seeing a little bit of both this week. There is, of course all that “meaningful” September baseball. Then again, the “highs” being discussed in the Skaggs trial have to be some of the lowest lows for the club in recent memory.

Now On to the News:

On the good news front, Reid Detmers won’t be needing elbow surgery.

Guardians designated hitter David Fry got hit in the face by a 99 MPH fastball from Tarik Skubal on Tuesday. Fry spent the night in the hospital. In a related note, The Blue Jays designated Alek Manoah for assignment.

Paul Toboni will be the new head of baseball operations for the Nationals. Nobody knows what his title will be. I’m sure it will be real flash.

The Brewers designated Bruce Zimmerman for assignment after having him pitch a one game spot start. The Dodgers are activating Roki Sasaki and he will pitch out of their bullpen.

Left-hander Brandon Walter of the Astros had UCL reconstruction surgery. I guess he’s out for a while.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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bobblanton
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4 hours ago

O/U 16 k’s

Angels2020Champs
Legend
8 hours ago

What would our headline be?

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DowningDude
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7 hours ago

Ours will be authored by Glum Little Sam Blum.

Angels2020Champs
Legend
7 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I’d read it!

bobblanton
Trusted Member
9 hours ago

Do you think this whole unfinished business was just a cover and he couldn’t sell the team because of a 1.2 billion dollar lawsuit and that once this trial is over whether they settle which I think would be smart of the Angels or it goes to full trial that Arte will finally sell so he can get full price

DowningDude
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9 hours ago
Reply to  bobblanton

There’s a growing number of us seeing it exactly that way.

At the conclusion of the trial, Arte hands the pink slip over to Mrs Skaggs. Arte rides off in the sunset on a sad donkey.

Marcotor
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9 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Great. Jackie Autry 2.0

Angels2020Champs
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9 hours ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Followed by Disney/periwinkle 2.0?

milehigh
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7 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

FWIW, which is nothing, I’ll take the road that Arte still won’t sell regardless of how this trial is settled. He won’t want to end his tenure this way. He will continue believing he knows how to turn this around if it kills us all.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DowningDude

That’s what we need. The mom and the wife who had no fking clue Skaggs had a drug problem, if you believe them, much less where/how he was getting drugs will do a great job running the team. Mrs Skaggs hot yoga instructor may actually be worse than Carpino…

DowningDude
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7 hours ago

🤣

Dogface1956
Trusted Member
7 hours ago

I have to agree with you on that, I have been scratching my head trying to figure out how the mom and wife did not know that he had a drug problem and just why the Angels are to blame for everything. As much as it hate Artie and I would love to see him sell the team, I just don’t see how the team is accountable for one or more of it’s employee’s have drug problems unless the Angels team doctors were actually supplying the drugs in question.

steelgolf
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4 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

His insurance company should be the ones who will be on the hook for any possible settlement.

Fansince1971
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9 hours ago
Reply to  bobblanton

It’s what I am hoping for. Case ends, Arte sells. Please oh please!!

Eric_in_Portland
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7 hours ago
Reply to  bobblanton

I believe the Angels should have done something to help Skaggs but maybe they have as much right to sue the Skaggs family which surely knew about the problem too. Seriously, I don’t think either should sue.

FungoAle
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10 hours ago

Reds avoided the sweep, making things more itnteresting

Turk's Teeth
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10 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

D-Backs deflating at the worst possible moment. Looking like Mets v Reds, and the former has a very tough assignment today.

Meanwhile, friggin’ Tigers may just let wretched Houston in through the window after all.

FungoAle
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10 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Tough pill for Detroit to swallow, they need this one tonight. Will the Angels bring their A-game for their series against the Astros? Or will we toss out AA-AAA players?

Turk's Teeth
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10 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

They’ll likely toss out the same lineup they’ve been tossing out for the past week.

Or, in summary:

…”toss out AA-AAA players.”

Phil
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7 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Angels will get swept by the Astros, who could fill their roster with AAA, AA, A players, and still beat the Angels.

DowningDude
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4 hours ago
Reply to  Phil

The Astros’ rookie ball club could school our guys.

Phil
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

D-Backs inability to score in the 10th yesterday, with bases loaded and 1 out, killed them.

I was rooting for them to beat the Dodgers!

Terry
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11 hours ago

Weird statistic:

In 148 games this season, Adell has scored 61 runs. Of those 61, he drove himself in 36 times with homers. Which means he has only scored 25 runs in 148 games, non home runs. Seems almost impossible.

FungoAle
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11 hours ago
Reply to  Terry

Symbolic of the swing-4-the-fence team mentality

RexFregosi
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11 hours ago
Reply to  Terry

Newman.

Fansince1971
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12 hours ago

So looking at the last 8 seasons and throwing out the high (80-82 in 2018) and the low (63-99 in 2024) – this team averages around 73 wins and 89 losses per season. The team is on that exact path this year which means that it is basically the EXACT SAME season after season. So, the narrative that the team has improved this season really does not work. The average over time tells the story and it is staying steady.

steelgolf
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12 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yep, pack fodder. This is why I like to say that 2016 has been a long, long, long year.

Terry
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11 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

It’s feel like the movie Groundhog Day every Angels season. Pretty much same amount of wins and crappy September records.

Turk's Teeth
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11 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Was making this exact point about four weeks back to preemptively counter the inevitable Perry PR spin that the team has made considerable progress since 2024 (the absolute lowpoint in franchise history).

Or, as I’ll call it: The Drunk Arsonist’s Excuse – “yes, honey, I burned down our four bedroom along with both of our commuter cars, but look at the impressive ADU I built you this year!”.

At that time, including 2024, the Angels had averaged 74 wins in the post-Dipoto era, and excluding last year’s anomalous nadir season, 76 wins. But it looks like this season they’ll settle a bit shy of average into that 72-73 range that is the statistical mode of post-Dipoto mediocrity – same as 2019, 2022 and 2023.

Yes – no progress in the long view. But that won’t stop drunk arsonists from claiming Master made them do it, and asking for a kiss on the cheek for fortitude, because everyone is still breathing.

FungoAle
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10 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Eppler had a .469 winning percentage Perry has a .442 win percentage. When Eppler was let go, the Angels made a statement that Billy Bones was let go because the Angels are used to winning.

Born_in_59
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10 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Doesn’t seem to be the case now.

DowningDude
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9 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Score a point for consistency!

Phil
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Angels have similar losing seasons because they don’t have the guts to make tough decisions to trade or release a player.

Example #1: by Jose Suarez’s 5th yr, he had (-) 1.0 WAR. They should’ve released him that year. Instead, Angels kept him for an entire 6th year, where he produced a (-0.6) WAR.

Example #2: by Rengifo’s 5th year, he went from 2.4 WAR in 2022, to 1.9 WAR in 2023.
Angels continue to keep him despite his WAR dipping since 2022, to a 0.5 WAR in 2025.

When you keep players who have sub-standard performance, that means other players must produce ABOVE their typical stats, just to average out that sub-standard play.

And, in the end, you get an average season (in the Angels case: “……this team averages 73 wins and 89 losses per season………..EXACT SAME season after season….”).

And this is why the Angels keep losing season after season.
4-5 years is enough time to extrapolate whether a player will do well or not.

There is no shame in dropping Suarez or Rengifo in their 5th year, and then seeing them go to the Hall of Fame while playing for another team.

Boston had Babe Ruth, and traded him.
Washington had Bryce Harper, Juan Soto
Pittsburgh had Barry Bonds

So, in this offseason, if Angels get some great options for Jo Adell, trade him.
I’d rather we have 4-5 above-average players, than 1 excellent player.

If we trade Adell, and he goes to Hall of Fame while playing for another team, so be it. But, at least, we could get a 3B, RF, LF, C.

Btw, the only way Adell goes to the Hall of Fame is if he does what I do: buy a ticket.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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1 hour ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

When they were hovering around .500 they did look like an improved team. All these games in September where it’s all aaa pitchers and hitters, shouldn’t count.

RexFregosi
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13 hours ago

Sammy at the trial from The Athletic Skaggs-Angels trial: Key details and developments from the first weekBy NYT Sammy
Sept. 24, 2025Updated 9:12 pm MST
SANTA ANA, Calif. — Court adjourned Wednesday in the first week of the long-anticipated civil trial brought by the family of Tyler Skaggs against the Los Angeles Angels.
Tyler Skaggs was a former Angels pitcher who died on July 1, 2019, after ingesting a fentanyl pill provided by former Angels communications director Eric Kay, who was later sentenced to 22 years in federal prison.
It was a largely successful week for the Skaggs family’s attorneys, who had a win on Monday when they argued the Angels should not be allowed to re-litigate the criminal case against Kay. That 2022 guilty verdict, and its findings, will stand in the civil case.
As a result of that victory, the Skaggs side’s lawyer, Rusty Hardin, said they withdrew their subpoena to depose Kay in the case. However, Angels attorney Todd Theodora said in court that Kay might still testify, and they’re hoping to depose him on Oct. 2.
The two sides spent the last two days arguing important motions in front of Orange County Superior Court judge H. Shaina Colover, all related to excluding potential evidence and arguments that the jury might see or hear.
On Tuesday, the Angels acknowledged they’re funding Kay’s post-conviction legal defense. However, to try and get that barred as evidence, Angels lawyers argued that using it would then open the door to them re-litigating the case against Kay. That’s because Angels executives could then be asked why they were funding his defense.
On Wednesday, Skaggs family lawyers revealed that deposition testimony showed Kay had a past sexual relationship with an unnamed Angels intern, and hired sex workers during spring training. They argued it should be fair game to present as evidence, since they alleged it showed a pattern of Angels executives neglecting to punish Kay for conduct against team policy.
There were many more motions argued throughout the first week of this case. Here’s some of what we learned.
More details about Mike TroutEarlier this week, The Athletic reported, citing court filings, that Angels superstar Mike Trout had offered to pay for Kay’s drug rehabilitation in 2018. Four witnesses also testified that they’d heard of Kay eating a pimple off of Mike Trout’s back in exchange for money.
In court on Wednesday, more information was shared on the nexus between these two details. Skaggs attorney Daniel Dutko said that former Angels clubhouse attendant Kris Constanti testified in his deposition that he approached Trout about paying Kay for his antics, and asked him, “You know what he’s using that money for.
“Trout (then) understood that it was for drugs,” Dutko said. “Mike Trout testified that he immediately stopped paying him for any of those antics.”
These arguments were in response to a defense motion trying to exclude any mention of the “horseplay” involving Kay, Trout and other players. Their argument was that it was more prejudicial than probative — a legal term to indicate that potential evidence doesn’t have enough value to outweigh the risk of negatively prejudicing the jury.
Skaggs lawyers argued that it showed the Angels allowed Kay leeway to act unprofessionally without punishment or termination, which they believe was part of a pattern. The judge ultimately said that testimony would not be excluded.
Mentions on past drug use by Skaggs and KayBoth sides have filed motions to exclude mentions of past drug use by key figures in this case. The Skaggs side argued, unsuccessfully, that any mention of Skaggs’ drug use prior to joining the Angels in 2014 was irrelevant.
The Angels said that Skaggs’ documented Percocet addiction in 2013, when he was with the Arizona Diamondbacks, was relevant because it showed his history of drug use, and that it extended to another MLB organization. The judge sided with the Angels, agreeing that it was relevant to their defense.
The Angels also argued that Kay’s use of opioids, as prescribed by Angels team doctor Craig Milhouse from 2009-13, shouldn’t be used as evidence. The judge has not yet ruled on that.
The Skaggs side made clear their belief that Milhouse was, and remains, a team employee of the Angels, citing his profile in the Angels media guide and office inside Angel Stadium. The Angels said he works as an independent contractor. Kay’s prescription history, listed in court filings, shows Milhouse prescribed Kay the opioid Hydrocodone 15 times between 2009 and 2013, for what Dutko said was listed as tooth and back pain.
Damages the Skaggs side is seeking
For much of the pre-trial process, it appeared the Skaggs family was seeking $210 million, according to court filings. However, on the first day of court, Theodora said the number was actually $1 billion.
In the statement of damages provided to The Athletic by the Angels, when all of the general damages ($400 million), special damages ($385.03 million) and punitive damages ($400 million) are totaled, it comes out to slightly below $1.2 billion.
Hardin denied that the family was seeking that amount.
It should be noted that the statement of damages is a slightly arbitrary number at this point in the proceedings. The jury can ultimately award more or less money than what the plaintiff requests.
In California civil cases, juries can find comparative fault when awarding damages, meaning defendants might only be found responsible for a certain percentage. At this point, it is far too early to know exactly what’s at stake financially in this trial.
Court’s schedule comes into focusThe two sides will have three more days in court — Sept. 29-Oct. 1 — before jury selection begins on Oct. 6. The judge said she expects that to take three days, with opening statements likely beginning on Oct. 10.
Next week will be reserved for any remaining motions, as well as going over witness lists and potential evidence exhibits and coming up with jury instructions.
The judge also blocked out 25 days for the trial, meaning it would extend for about two months, into the first week of December, potentially taking the week of Thanksgiving off to avoid potential conflicts for the jury.

Fansince1971
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12 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

The employee versus independent contractor issue is an important one and is controlled by many factors in California. Basically, the issue comes down to whether the team had any control over Milhouse’s schedule or actions. It could come down to something as minute as whether Milhouse used a cellphone provided by the Angels or an Angels’ computer. The employee versus independent contractor issue in California is a frequent battle and is usually lost by the employer – i.e. usually individuals are found to be employees except when they are truly and completely independent (supply their own phone, computer, insurance etc. and have complete independence re work hours and when they do or do not want to show up). Calling an individual an “independent contractor” in a contract or other document is not dispositive – the State and Courts look at the underlying facts, responsibilities and the issue of control.

If Milhouse is an employee then the Angels are liable for his actions or omissions during the course and scope of his employment (Respondent Superior).

If Milhouse is an Independent Contractor, the Angels are unlikely to be liable for his actions or omissions.

So, this is a big issue and will be hotly contested.

Last edited 12 hours ago by Fansince1971
Angels2020Champs
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11 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The case against the angels is clearly being laid out.

I’m also interested in the case against Skagg’s (2013 Percocet, texts from wife asking him to not party hard, I’m sure friends/teammates testimony with immunity could be compelling, etc). Any thoughts here ‘71/rex or anyone else… you’ve just been hired (as a contractor!) by the angels.

Angels2020Champs
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9 hours ago

Carli Skaggs said she didn’t know the extent of her husband’s drug use and would have tried to do more to prevent it had she known. She said he felt pressure to stay healthy and continue his major league career.

On cross examination, Molfetta asked Carli Skaggs about a text she sent to her husband that told him don’t get drunk and fall asleep, and a subsequent text after no response in which she wrote, “You have a drinking problem, I’m about to tell Tom Taylor,” referring to the Angels’ traveling secretary.

“You’re asking about a text that I sent out of anger saying something that wasn’t true that my husband couldn’t respond to because he was dead,” Carli Skaggs responded.

Obvi sad. Just unsure how you can dodge the question. If you’re so mad at someone, you tell them something meant to evoke a feeling, not completely fabricate something. The fact Carli knew who to contact with the angels is tellling, of what, I’m not sure.

Is this an all or nothing verdict? Can the % of liability be awarded?

YOUknowulovetheIE
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1 hour ago

I could tell skaggs had something going on. It didn’t matter if it was a cool night on the road on a hot day game, he would sweat sooo bad.

steelgolf
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12 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

They would never have me on that jury. The Skaggs family attorney trying to keep Skaggs previous drug abuse records from Arizona, out of the proceedings, but want all records/evidence of Kay’s drug abuse and others on the team. Yeah, I’m not buying that his family didn’t know he had a drug problem. He had an opportunity to go to rehab, paid for by Mike Trout, and chose not to. Yeah, I would probably weight it at 80% to 85% Skaggs own fault.

AnAngelsFan
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10 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

You’re nicer than me. Skaggs knowingly took illegal drugs for recreational purposes. That’s nobody’s fault but his own. This wasn’t a case where he thought he would lose his job if he refused to party with his boss or where he asked Kay for tylenol for a headache and was given pills laced with drugs.

Kay rightly suffers criminal penalties for dealing illegal drugs, but nobody should have civil liability except for Skaggs.

Fansince1971
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9 hours ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

If you knew someone was suicidal and you gave him a gun with bullets with which he shot himself, could you see where there might be civil liability?

That is an extreme example but supplying the drugs to a known drug addict who takes the drugs and dies is not to far away on the continuum from the original hypothetical.

Also – our tort system allows for both Skaggs and Kay/Angels to share responsibility and Skaggs family to still recover. It’s called comparative fault. A jury will determine the amount of fault to Skaggs and all other parties and the recovery will be reduced by the amount on Skaggs.

As an example say the jury decides the family damages are $100m.

If 60% of the fault is put on Skaggs and 40% on Kay/Angels – the family would recover $40m.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

It’s only not far away if said drug addict declares that he’d sure like to overdose.

Angels2020Champs
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7 hours ago

Skaggs not only bought his own illegal drugs from multiple sources, he paid for others to partake (aka enabled) and also supplied others with drugs. For years. Very odd with my own morals/ethics that the family of someone like that could end up with a billion dollars.

Fansince1971
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7 hours ago

That kind of money won’t happen. I’m guessing all in any verdict, once reduced by Skaggs comparative fault, will be in the $30m-$40m range and largely (if not entirely) paid by insurance.

Angels2020Champs
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

That actually sounds fair.

Jeff Joiner
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10 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I’m confident it was Kay who had the opportunity to go to rehab on Trout’s dime. Instead he ultimately went to rehab on the Angels dime.

The purpose of that information is to prove that Angels key personnel knew of Kay’s drug problems.

Jeff Joiner
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13 hours ago

Geraldo Perdomo is a solid shortstop with a really good bat, yet he’s only 0.3 fWAR above Ohtani as a position player with nearly identical plate appearances.

That’s incredible value from a DH.

Terry
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13 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

EXCELLENT summary Fregosi. Fascinating and sad reading. So Angels players knew Skaggs had a drug problem: team employees knew it and aided and abetted it, did anyone, ever, force the issue about getting Skaggs profesional help? If so how?

RexFregosi
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13 hours ago
Reply to  Terry

To be clear, I just copy and paste the articles. I don’t write them. It’s our boy Sammy that writes them

RexFregosi
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13 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Perdomo, man.
If you’re wondered how they survived losing Burns, then trading away Naylor and Suarez, he is the one big reason.

Last week i mentioned the usual suspects Carrol, Marte, Gallen, but it’s Perdomo, the superstar know one knows

Fansince1971
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15 hours ago

What Aaron Judge has done in his age 30-33 seasons is truly remarkable. He just seems to keep getting better.

His numbers and production in his 30s remind me of a mid-20s Trout.

I predict he will surpass Trout in total WAR by the end of this decade. He will pass Trout in HR by middle next season. And Trout had about a 6 year head start.

Last edited 15 hours ago by Fansince1971
BannedInLA
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14 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Perhaps. Though I would remind you that athletes can drop off suddenly and unexpectedly. Exhibit A is what became of Trout once the calendar struck 2021.

Last edited 14 hours ago by BannedInLA
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  BannedInLA

As soon as he had to carry that huge contract around it just broke him.

Jeff Joiner
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13 hours ago

We often talked about Trout’s build resembling a strong safety or running back. Concerns about running around with that bulk were brushed aside early in his career but proved to be true.

AnAngelsFan
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10 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

No way to prove it, but I can’t help but wonder if Trout would have had a better career if he had stayed a ~30 HR guy instead of trying to bulk up to be a 40+ HR guy.

Roy Hobbs
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12 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I am always suspicious of players who become something entirely different at 30. It isn’t normal. Judge was good before 30 but nothing close to 30 and after.

Born_in_59
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12 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

After going through the steroid era, I can’t blame you for that. However, Judge is a big, strong fellow and batted ball details show that starting during his age 30 season he hit more fly balls over line drives and more to the pull side than opposite field. I also recall that Mike Schmidt claimed he didn’t really figure out hitting until he was 30, so it might have taken Judge a while too.

Turk's Teeth
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11 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I think that 6 year head start is important to grok though. And especially because Trout started his MLB career at age 19, while Judge started his at 24.

Trout didn’t really start breaking down until his ninth full season, and he maintained a wRC+ of 160 or better for a dozen years. If he had begun his MLB career at 24, we’d hypothetically be experiencing his real breakdown years at age 37-38, which would be…well…fully predictable to everyone.

I think this is the consequence of very accelerated development. Not “the candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long”, but rather the age curve was just aggressively pushed left in Trout’s case, and it’s a lot to expect more than a dozen years of hyper-elite performance from any player.

If Judge follows Trout’s curve, we’ll likely see some more time spent off-field due to injuries in the next 1-2 seasons, and then more substantial decline in both WAR and rate stats come 2028.

Jeff Joiner
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15 hours ago

Would be nice to see Houston miss the post season. I’ve been rooting for Seattle since the trade deadline.

If the Mets could also miss out on the fun, I’d be really happy. Not often I root against Pittsburgh but I really wanted the Reds to pull that one out last night.

CAoldskoll
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15 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

It’s great to see the underdogs like the Reds, Dbacks, and Guardians fight to get in. What sucks is that they did zero at the trade deadline and two weren’t planning on contending. All of them have shallow hitting lineups. Hated Doyers can cakewalk over all three in the postseason.

Jeff Joiner
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13 hours ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

Short series baseball is crazy. Look at the Angels vs. the Dodgers and Red Sox this season.

My hope is the Dodgers bullpen funk continues into October and costs them big time.

GrandpaBaseball
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10 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Go Brewers. 😃 

Born_in_59
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16 hours ago

While thinking about Schanuel’s future development, I realized that Brian Downing didn’t start out as a power hitter either. Did Brian just bulk up after 30 or did he change his hitting to drive the ball more?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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13 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

He bulked up over a long weekend…

Angelz4ever
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17 hours ago

My nomination for the Halos 2025 Derp award goes to……?

Christian Moore for checking up on a two out pop fly.

Oh boy…..

DowningDude
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17 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Should have been CRACK – SPRINT … but hey – we won! Woo hoo and stuff!

RexFregosi
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17 hours ago

i didn’t realize till last night how well Shohei would fit in the 2025 Angels offense.
2025 Strikeouts:
Ward 173
Trout 175
Shohei 183
Cal 180
Schwarber 189
Wood leads MLB at 215

BANDWAGON WARNING
As you depart the Angels 2025, be careful hopping on another team’s bandwagon- it carries GREAT risk.
The last two Wednesdays in the desert have just been grueling for the Dbacks – two extra inning losses in games they should have won. Ugh.

Dodgers bullpen 🤣🤣🤣
Astros playoffs 😂😂😂

Mike needs to clarify certain admissions requirements at Trout National. Hint: There’s only a couple MLB pitchers he’s faced since August that will be receiving invitations 😉

FungoAle
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17 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Sucks that the Dbacks lost that game last night. Not over but need a mini-hit streak. Mets finish up in Miami but no team is a pushover. Ask the Reds.

RexFregosi
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16 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Dbacks play a last home day game against LA, then travel to PETCO for the weekend. Too bad those two SoCal teams couldn’t have figured out the division by now and are still fighting for it.

BannedInLA
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14 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Shohei also has 53 bombs and is batting .280 or whatever.

He’s also pitching well, albeit in relatively short starting stints.

Angelz4ever
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13 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

If we had a guy like that we’d be in the playoffs…..

steelgolf
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18 hours ago

Didn’t look like a big cried at the game last night. I know Tuesday night’s game was a sparse crowd.

RexFregosi
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17 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

The big cried was at the Dbacks game ☹️

DowningDude
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17 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

The crying was Tuesday night. My win % when attending is putrid this year. Woof.

Dogface1956
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17 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

There’s no crying in baseball.

milehigh
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16 hours ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

Is crying in the stands ok? Asking for a friend.

WallyChuckChili
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14 hours ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

There is after Tanana and Ryan

steelgolf
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17 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Ugggh, crowd. Damn phone .

Jeff Joiner
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15 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Very sparse crowd last night. Made for a relaxing evening with a friend.

GrandpaBaseball
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19 hours ago

Congrads to the M’s in winning the division, but more important was in not allowing the Asstros’ to win it. BYW, Cal for MVP, what a year for a catcher.

RexFregosi
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17 hours ago

Judge easily deserves the MVP, but Trout lost two to “storied year” and Shohei lost one to Judge himself because “storied year”

if Judge loses? karma

steelgolf
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17 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I would vote Cal over Judge for MVP. He is just having a far better season while playing a more difficult position.

RexFregosi
Super Member
17 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Statistics say Judge easily
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/AL/2025-batting-leaders.shtml

it depends how much credit you give for playing Catcher and some bonus points for 60 hr and a division title. Judge also has 51 HR and maybe a division title too.

RexFregosi
Super Member
16 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

What makes it easy to differentiate – the two are basically the same hitter- big slugger.

you don’t have to compare a pitcher or another type of hitter against them.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Judge is a high-average big slugger, Cal is a low-mid average, big slugger.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Let’s see Judge play at catcher for even just 100 games. Why do the Yankees hit so many HRs at home, maybe it’s because between the Manfred Ball and the short fences it makes the new Yankee stadium a HR Park. This season the MVP is a catcher doing what should be impossible for a catcher to accomplish.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
9 hours ago

“Manfred Ball and short fences”. Can you explain why, according to statcast Angel Stadoum has given up the exact same number of HR (208) as Yankee Stadium? (Comerica is there at 208 as well) And the leader is right up the road, in Elysian Park with 254.

Last edited 9 hours ago by Marcotor
steelgolf
Legend
16 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I also add weight to the fact that his team bounced The Astros from first in the division.

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Judge is also leading MLB in batting average and has for basically the entire season.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
14 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Cal is involved in every pitch of his team in a game. Judge may not touch a ball in the Outfield for a couple innings.

Turk's Teeth
Editor
Super Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

With fWAR, it’s much closer – only half a win separates him. That’s because fWAR values Raleigh’s positional/defensive value more than bWAR.

So it really comes down to how each voter values positional contribution and defense.

Judge hasn’t produced positive defensive value per Def in five seasons (though OAA is a touch more charitable), whereas Raleigh’s defensive value is plus or elite according to most holistic defense metrics (though his blocking specifically is inconsistent).

Judge is a far more complete hitter than Raleigh, but arguably, Raleigh is a more complete player than Judge.

I don’t think it’s as clearcut as Judge-bulls are making it. Look at the historical stats – it’s very, very hard to do what Raleigh’s doing as a catcher.

MarineLayer
Legend
13 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I think it’s Cal and it’s not even close. 60HRs at catcher.

RexFregosi
Super Member
12 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

It’s a good “story “ but Judge has out hit him every which way except HR.

since the Angels got ripped off of three MVPs the last decade because of “story” and not best statistics, I want Judge to win.

RexFregosi
Super Member
17 hours ago

Seattle remains my least favorite team. but at least half the reason was contempt for Scottie which I think I got from Scioscia. Jerry bugs me because he quit, and they are division rivals after all. And 1995. Anyone but them.

DowningDude
Legend
17 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Tuesday night there were two Mariners fans dressed up in their aqua garb – in Anaheim. Disgusting.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Say it ain’t so DD, those dang M’s fans showing up in our home stadium dressed like that. When we play in Seattle, one fourth of the fans wear RED Angel gear and well, it was only two you know…

FungoAle
Legend
16 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Same. I also remember the punk Kyle Seager.

red floyd
Legend
13 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

“Corey’s Brother”?

Marcotor
Trusted Member
9 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Just to help you feel old, that game was 30 years ago next week.

Langston, flat on his back near the plate, staring at the dome.

Two 9-game losing streaks the last month of the season.

Kids named Salmon, Edmonds and early-season callup Anderson in the outfield gave the honks hope for a bright future.

And who can forget Angel legends Jorge Fabregas, Damon Easley, and of course the super-gritty Spike Owen. The legendary Angels of 1995 managed 78 wins…

Angels2020Champs
Legend
9 hours ago
Reply to  Marcotor

In 144 games. Lee Smith and Rex Hudler were the big FA acquisitions before that shortened season.

DowningDude
Legend
3 hours ago

Good call. That translates to an 88 win season across 162 games. Can’t believe they had TWO 9 game losing streaks in August / September – started by Gary DiSarcina’s injury. Ugh. I attended EVERY GAME that summer. Club level half season seats. Traumatizing.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
19 hours ago

Reid will be back in ’26 and pick up sticks, maybe he will be ready to be the “number one guy” and throw another no hitter, all I have to do is dream.

steelgolf
Legend
18 hours ago

Reid will unfortunately deal with more “elbow inflammations” next year. Sure, resting it now is good, but the causation is not being addressed.

RexFregosi
Super Member
17 hours ago

I can’t see them building him up to be a starter in 2026 now.

I hope they bring back Jansen too now.

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
16 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I wouldn’t mind them signing Jansen for next year, with maybe an option to ensure he gets an opportunity for 500 saves, but that money might be better spent elsewhere, like a couple of starting pitchers to go with Kikuchi, Soriano and maybe Detmers. Of course, I wouldn’t mind if they signed Chafin for next year too.

FungoAle
Legend
15 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Kenley…The Big Twitch . I’m good for a team friendly contract in 2026.

Last edited 15 hours ago by FungoAle
Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
16 hours ago

Detmers success in the cowpen has been due to not throwing his change-up. He’s only pitching an inning or two at the most, so he can get away with a limited arsonal by going max effort on every pitch.

As a starter, his velocity will decrease (to go more innings) and his going to need three strong pitches…..that he’s yet to show.

He should stick as a RP.

FungoAle
Legend
15 hours ago

Maybe but there have been deep dives into his pitch mix differences from 2022-2023 vs 2024. 2024 he shied away from sliders and pitched backwards. I’m think it is early to pigeon hole him in as a bullpen guy. Let’s see how he does and hoping the pitching coach stays out of his headspace.

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