LA Angels Monday News Crash: Rose Garden – Crashing the Pearly Gates

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Eric_in_Portland

16 days ago

Portland stadium almost closer to reality.

Which is not really. They’ve now got a drawing of what it might look like.

https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2025/03/first-look-renderings-show-vision-for-mlb-stadium-in-portland.html

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Turk's Teeth

16 days ago

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Came here expressly to seek you out and get your take on the new renderings.

Still skeptical of momentum though? The mayor and the business alliance seem to be pretty full-throated in their support. I love that location.

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Eric_in_Portland

16 days ago

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I’ll believe it when I see there’s money to make it happen. Anyway, if you look at the top rendering you’ll see people walking. That’s a pedestrian/bicycle only bridge so I could park on one side of the Willamette and just walk across to the park.It’s easier to see lower down in the article.There’s no question if a team comes here I’ll be in attendance a lot. It’s not very far from where I live.

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RexFregosi

15 days ago

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From what I see, this is as promising as it’s ever been. If the government and people provide a stadium, Manfred and MLB would love to meet you.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 days ago

Gotta love the owners and MLBPA. Heading into a season, let’s announce that we don’t really see the point in talking to each other about major issues facing the sport that require a bunch of wrangling and haggling. Nope. We’re just gonna let the whole season go by, kick off a lock out, and then start arguing. It’ll be great.

I just bought my first MLB ticket since THE LAST stupid fking lock out right after Covid. Here’s to another few years of not giving the MLB my money after this next gem.

We need a fan strike. Like some weekend in May, early so both sides can see it, feel it, and think on it, where everyone who gives a crap just doesn’t watch games, live or on TV. Maybe do that a couple times over the season. If it were organized online and got publicity maybe it would scare these clowns into strapping on their big boy pants and trying to not piss us all off.

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Angels2020Champs

16 days ago

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We get it, your dad never loved you and neither does Ohtani’s mom. Manfred & Arte took turns kicking your dog and CtPG guy is doing his best to get underneath that thicc skin of yours… this bad fan juju you speak of is just not way any real fan would go about it /s

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 days ago

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Let me guess. You’ve been working on this zinger for days. Holy shit were you ready. Maverick’s got missle lock and Goose is whispering “fire” in his hot little ears. This was the first comment of mine you saw. So you just tried to jam this on here like a chimp with a brain injury…. make banana fit into shot glass! Sure, defend CtPG Guy, this is America and you have the unsoothable right to be but hurt, but shit man, do it after one of my six million comments about CtPG Guy…. or at least one of my 12 million repetitive comments about stale topics.

Manfred just came out with his gem about a lock out a few minutes before I commented on it.

Sigh. Subjective context is hard for some folks isn’t it CoCo?

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Mikeal1st

15 days ago

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Two groups, MLPA and MLB owners can’t get together, and there will be some sort of lockout/strike, so your solution is to get a third group of people that are less organized to go on strike? If your plan is going to work, the obvious first step is to talk CtPG guy into agreeing with you.

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Eric_in_Portland

16 days ago

so about this Rose thing, wouldn’t “reinstatement” tell other players they can gamble and eventually be let back in? Or would it work only for those with 4,000+ hits?

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Mikeal1st

16 days ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

Over 4000 hits and dead?

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

16 days ago

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Over 4000 hits, dead, and bad haircut?

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red floyd

16 days ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

I keep saying… When Rose played, baseball had only one inviolable rule, and it was figuratively carved in stone above every clubhouse door:

THOU SHALT NOT BET UPON BASEBALL, LEST THEE BE BANNED FOR ALL ETERNITY

Rose knew the rule. He knew the consequences. He broke it anyway. Screw him.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 days ago

Stupid Brewers doing stupid Brewer things…. such a stupid FO.

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cookmeister

16 days ago

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stupid Brewers FO putting a team together that makes the playoffs almost every season. What a buncha bums

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 days ago

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losers.

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SchofieldsWalkoff

16 days ago

I didn’t see this posted last week, sorry if 2x posting.

“Schanuel said he did drills in which he alternated swinging with a heavier than usual bat and a lighter than usual bat. The overweight bat builds strength, and then the underweight bat develops speed”

If he can get his slugging into the low to mid 400s paired with his elite eye, they may have a borderline all-star on their hands.

https://www.whittierdailynews.com/2025/02/26/angels-nolan-schanuel-looks-for-more-power-with-improved-bat-speed/

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 days ago

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Unpossible. No way this can work out. Wasted pick. Stupid Perry. Hee haw.

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milehigh

16 days ago

Reply to SchofieldsWalkoff

I think Nolan’s slugging could improve if he improves his barrel rate. Nolan’s rate is about 3% and MLB average per Baseball Savant is 7.4%. I’d be happy if he got to 5.5% or even 6%. A better launch angle than 10 degrees might help, too.

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Jeff Joiner

16 days ago

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Nice. I think his slow bat speed is related to his approach, but with a little more pop he’d be a really nice player.

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Cowboy26

16 days ago

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Well so far none of these offseason drills seem to be working

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SchofieldsWalkoff

15 days ago

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You’ve got swing data?

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admkir

16 days ago

No politics should not be here. The pardon and petition are seperate and only the baseball issue should be discussed as inn the petition

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RexFregosi

16 days ago

Minor league camp starts today in Scottsdale. Why I know?
After a disappointing FOY Stakes,
i flew back from Miami last night and about 10 young DR kids were on the flight. One of them had on a nice red Angels Nike sweatshirt on, so I thought they were our guys. Another one of them sat next to me, it was Alexander Ramirez. I think my first question to him was if he knew Juan Flores. Of course, I proceeded to show him a bunch of photos of camp 2025 and all his boys there. I stopped after 100 pictures from day 1 😂 Halfway through the flight I thought that I did have pics of him too and pulled up the pictures from the AZL game from August 2021. Yep 😝 With limited Spanish and English between us, there wasn’t a bunch of conversation but he did say the plan was for him to go to ARK. I also asked if he’d seen Albert in the DR. Nope, just once in Angel camp last year.

Really nice kid. He’s a big RF bat. He’s been in the organization awhile (2019?) and keeps moving up. The good Lord knows we need a homegrown RF that can mash.
Alexander Ramirez, August 2021
https://flic.kr/p/2mj9ddY

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Jeff Joiner

16 days ago

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That’s an awesome story. Thanks for sharing it.

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admkir

16 days ago

Where’s the Shoeless Joe petition?

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Mikeal1st

16 days ago

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I would let him in before Rose.

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admkir

16 days ago

Reply to Mikeal1st

Yep and Joe doesn’t need a pardon

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Cowboy26

16 days ago

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Its time.

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MarineLayer

16 days ago

The cover picture is a reminder of why this team is still bad — a horrible owner and his messenger boy.

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milehigh

16 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

There have been several messenger boys. There is one common denominator.

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RexFregosi

16 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

That picture definitely tells the story of Arte ain’t spending.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

16 days ago

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The luxury tax boundary is a hard cap for Arte.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 days ago

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Wait…. we want Arte spending now?

Ladies, we need to make up our minds. Do we hate Arte because he pisses money away or do we hate Arte because he won’t piss money away?

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

16 days ago

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You had me at “hate Arte“.

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RexFregosi

16 days ago

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Give the money to his kids?
Nah

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 days ago

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Better Rally Girls…

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Mikeal1st

16 days ago

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Spending on the farms?… yes.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 days ago

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Has he not spent more on the farms?

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 days ago

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Cool story.

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toad2065

16 days ago

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Did Mr. Minasian kick your dog or something? Get a new routine!

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 days ago

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Some guys NEED to shit on a distant target to feel alive. Same shit. Same target. Again and again and again.

“I’m not a piece of shit! Rendon, he’s a piece of shit! Everybody hates him, they just aren’t saying so! I’m not stupid. Perry is stupid! It’s not that I’m an asshole, it’s that assholes are in charge! Assholes like Arte!”

It’s why I constantly bag on Bob Ross’s shitty paintings and stupid hair. Fk that guy.

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Twebur

16 days ago

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The Angels don’t suck every year…….. we have happy accidents!

-Arte

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Twebur

16 days ago

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We need a Fall Guy, someone to blame…. I hold Bob Ross responsible for my “paint thinner huffing habit” from my youth.

PTP = Meh ++
Arte = Evil Devil Owner….but, possibly improving?

Interesting documentary on Netflix about Bob Ross. Bad owner owns his brand.

https://youtu.be/J6JuA4qNU30?si=zuXwfgVwjlY-nWU3

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halofansince1978

16 days ago

Today’s Lineups

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/rockies-vs-angels/2025/03/03/779156/preview

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RexFregosi

16 days ago

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New starting CF.

TA^2

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milehigh

16 days ago

Should we be concerned about the state of the offense more than the pitching at this stage of ST? Or is it to early to think our offense might be not ready to start the season.

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Jeff Joiner

16 days ago

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I’ve been more worried about the offense this year and beyond than pitching for a while now.

I’m also a bit concerned about the defense, which will impact that pitching.

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Twebur

16 days ago

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I’m also ~~a bit~~ very, very, very concerned about the defense, which will impact that pitching.

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RexFregosi

16 days ago

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very, very, ~~very~~ Moniak starting in CF is a green shoot

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Twebur

16 days ago

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Laying a hefty sum of Ippei Bucks that they finish in the bottom 1/3 in offense in 2025. To much of the lineup is either, young and still trying to figure things out, often injured, or struggled offensively for the past several years.
Ward, Rengifo, Trout isn’t nearly enough…. We’ll need some extra Love/JuJu from the Baseball Gods to be league average.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 days ago

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If the “young but not kids” players ALL take steps forward our offense will be middle of the pack. If Ward/Rengifo finally get traded we will be worse. If Trout is 900 OPS we’ll be a little better. If some new kid like Kavadas or Moore blows up. A little better. Newman will likely keep the deep dark hole that is a Lopez from happening and Travis will make catcher stronger.

So, all in all, with some fails and some huzzas, I am hoping for a solid meh instead of last year’s milk steak.

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RexFregosi

16 days ago

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Ward, Rengifo, Trout isn’t nearly enough

That’s why Soler is here. He looks good and I’m feeling better about him every day and I’m saying he will hit some HRs. 😁

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RexFregosi

16 days ago

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Only one thing I worry about in ST 2025 is MNT’s health.

if he’s good to go on Opening Day, we have a shot.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

16 days ago

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I’m concerned about it all…..

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SchofieldsWalkoff

16 days ago

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Too early. Starters are getting inconsistent playing time and only 2 at bats when they are playing.

If it continues to be this anaemic over the last 2 weeks of camp then I’ll may start worrying. Even then I probably won’t worry too much. Mr Salmon taught me to wait till May before freaking out.

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Mikeal1st

16 days ago

As a kid, my heroes were my dad, Pete Rose, Superman, and the Six Million Dollar Man. Only one of them ever let me down—and he did it in a way that cut deep, right at the heart of one of my greatest childhood loves: baseball.

The rules exist for a reason, and the consequences are severe because this game means too much to let anyone compromise its integrity. That’s why Rose should never be pardoned. He gambled on the game, and if that kind of breach is forgiven, the game loses its meaning.

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RexFregosi

16 days ago

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Whatever hero-dom I thought about Peter in the 1960s and 70s was definitely heavily mitigated by him crashing into Fosse in the All Star game.

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Angelz4ever

16 days ago

A humorous sidenote:

Reportedly during the off-season and right up to the Bregman’s signing, the BoSox told Devers that they were not going to sign either Bregman or that other big name 3B (I forgot his name). So, I imagine Devers has trust issues now with his employer.

The current fragility of many athlete’s egos (Male and female) is just so disappointing.

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Jeff Joiner

16 days ago

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Arenado? There were lots of rumors the Sux were going to trade for him.

Ultimately Devers was told by the previous front office they would keep him at third. That front office is gone because the team didn’t win enough, partly due to Devers horrible defense at third.

When those of us in the real world see a management change we know things are going to change for the rank and file. Devers has a fully guaranteed contract, unlike us. He definitely comes across as a baby here.

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Angelz4ever

16 days ago

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Thanks Jeff, I had a brain cramp……..Arenado.

Me thinks if the BoSox stumble out of the gate, they will trade Devers as his refusal to move to 1B is troubling. They could get quite the hall and most if not all of his salary to be removed as well.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

16 days ago

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Let this be the guide:

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grichmanpoorman

16 days ago

Interesting stat line from non roster invitee Shaun Anderson yesterday… 6 Ks in two innings. Anyone know anything about him? Appears to be another career casualty of the pandemic shutdown… good minor league career numbers but never regained developmental momentum after 2020. https://www.mlb.com/player/shaun-anderson-641312?stats=career-r-pitching-minors&year=2025

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Cowboy26

16 days ago

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Shaun of the not quite dead has had horrible platoon splits even in the minors ( Lefties have destroyed him) . His MLB 1.4 HR/9 are not as bad as I initially thought but still concerning . What’s interesting he was never a huge strike out guy in the minors (8.1 K/9) or majors (6.9 K/9) Maybe he added a new pitch to his arsenal that also effective against lefties? That was pretty impressive yesterday save for the solo dinger.

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grichmanpoorman

16 days ago

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Like, gets hit hard by lefties? Yeah that’s a problem. Interesting long-relief candidate tho.

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RexFregosi

16 days ago

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I’d see him on the mound in camp and the first thought, it was Dana. But on getting a closer look, and it was Dana, but with his face aged about 15 years.

he looks ok for sure so far.

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Cowboy26

16 days ago

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Is that mane more like Thor or Mullet man Dillon Peters?

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Angelz4ever

16 days ago

Just to clarify, I am also considering pardoning Pete Rose.

Of course, I am talking ’bout his damn Page Boy haircut in the 80s.

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steelgolf

16 days ago

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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 And I thought that was an unpardonable offense.

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ErSTAN

16 days ago

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🤣🤣🤣 I’ve told my dad I’ve thought about filing a retroactive DCFS report for the bowl cut they made me rock for all of elementary school. The bowl cut and pro wings (payless) shoes got me bullied mercilessly. Deservedly so.

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Angelz4ever

16 days ago

Reply to ErSTAN

I was sentenced to get most of my shoes from Buster Brown.

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ErSTAN

16 days ago

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It sucked to be poor and white while attended a LAUSD school in the 90s. My “otherness” was amplified by the pro wings and FOB bowl cut…😑

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red floyd

16 days ago

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Kinneys here.

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Twebur

16 days ago

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I had one…..my wife said it looked like my mother used a 8.5-11 piece of paper to give me a haircut.

Foot-ware, Thom McAn…. Until I became a bad ass Young Buck, then nothing but Nike’s, Vans and OP.

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ErSTAN

16 days ago

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Hahahaha. I take my three year old for lineups religiously now. No bowl cut trauma for you Jr.

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YOUknowulovetheIE

16 days ago

Reply to ErSTAN

I grew up poor, but no way was my mom getting me shoes from payless, she despised that place.

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ErSTAN

16 days ago

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Good mom. My parents were Scottish immigrants so I don’t think they understood the social suicide they were subjecting me too. Rocking the Payless kicks added exponentially to my FOBishness (fresh off the boat). I eventually got a pair of Jordans but they were from Footlocker Outlet. Gave me a wee bit of respite from humiliation.

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YOUknowulovetheIE

16 days ago

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I was a kid in the 90’s as well. Chucks and knock off skate shoes here, haha. I got old enough and started making money in my apts, finally got some vans in 8th grade which I cherished just like your jordans. Good times man.

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ErSTAN

16 days ago

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Right on. I still wear chucks and vans today. Airwalks cool as well, but always felt like a poser because I didn’t skate.

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Jeff Joiner

16 days ago

So you get to commit tax fraud/evasion if you’re a good ball player?

Also, the evidence of how Rose managed games in which he didn’t bet tells you all you need to know.

There used to be consequences for breaking rules and laws.

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Angelz4ever

16 days ago

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LOL, apparently so. The hubris involved in that situation is appalling. MLB can take unilateral action according to their rules and guidelines regardless of convictions (Rose was convicted, though on gambling) or the courts. Of course, if Rose was an entertainer, he would’ve been deified by now (Capote for example).

God knows, there are plenty of MLB players that should be convicted of fraud (Rendone, J. Hamilton, etc.).

I agree with how he managed as he burned up his BP like every game was Game 7 of the WS.

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ihearhowie3.0

16 days ago

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Absent POTUS involvement MLB wouldn’t be considering this whatsoever. They’re terrified of this DGAF version of him

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Jeff Joiner

16 days ago

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There’s always been talk of MLB putting Rose in after he died. If anything the orange one is jumping on a talking point he knows resonates with his white boomer base.

Pardoning him for actual criminal convictions does not mean MLB has to do anything.

And now let’s not let the political slant get in the way of the baseball talk about Rose. His tax evasion convictions are not what is keeping him out of the Hall.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 days ago

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Nah. Trumps just weighing in cause he has to weigh in on every damn thing. There’s a ton of pressure to get the hit king into the Hall. On the one hand, it’s weird that he’s not in there. On the other, he was a true asshole. Just like Ty Cobb, Enos Slaughter and Babe Ruth. Just like steroids, Pete’s just the guy that got caught. So I kinda don’t care. If he gets banned forever then old man grumble puss can be happy. If he gets in then Rose fans are happy. Baseball itself, as well as the writers, have always been assholes. So I’ve always had to like the sport and ignore half the people involved.

With Rose, I actually think the young teen girlfriend is more of an issue for me.

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Mikeal1st

16 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Ty Cobb, Enos Slaughter and Babe Ruth bet on baseball?

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 days ago

Reply to Mikeal1st

Is that what you read? My brother helps kids with reading issues. I could hook you up.

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red floyd

16 days ago

Reply to Mikeal1st

Cobb was a racist asshole.
Don’t know enough about Slaughter.
I always thought Ruth was a decent guy, but a drunkard. But the decent guy stuff may just have been good PR.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 days ago

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Slaughter made Ty Cobb look like Medger Evers.

Ruth had good PR. He also killed a girl driving drunk. He was also a Bonds level egomaniac.

I’ve never cared. Their job is to be incredible at baseball. They can go home and drink themselves to death alone with their crap thoughts and angry shits all they want once I have no further use for them. Same with today’s players. Ultra-jocks are rarely ultra-good people, even if they do a bunch of front facing community work. I’m not really sure it’s fair for us to expect them to be.

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Twebur

16 days ago

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Kirby Puckett seemed like a nice guy. Hell, OJ Jay was a nice guy. Until we found out he wasn’t.

Back in the day before social media, the media kept most shit to themselves. Babe was supposedly banging chicks on the train in- between play cards with the beat writers.

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16 days ago

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

16 days ago

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After the last few months, it no longer matters what crime you’ve been convicted of. Being pardoned by executive fiat is no longer an exclusive club.

Let’em all in the HOF – the cheaters, beaters, liars, and thieves. It no longer matters.

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halofansince1978

16 days ago

It’s about time Charlie Hustle gets some respect for what he did on the field.

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Jeff Joiner

16 days ago

Reply to halofansince1978

I think his playing career has always been respected but his gambling, tax evasion, and banging 15 year old girls isn’t.

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Angelz4ever

16 days ago

Reply to halofansince1978

I feel he should’ve been elected into the HoF, but banned from official MLB stuff. What he did was appalling and I can 100% assure you that gambling was a much bigger thing back in those days and there was absolutely no wiggle room concerning gambling or betting on baseball. Until, I believe the early or mid 90’s, no MiLB or MLB players were allowed to even walk into a licensed Casino. That’s why Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle were blackballed by MLB for years, as they advertised for a few Casinos, until the rule change.

I can tell you this, if you are young and living on a relatively tight budget and realize you cannot go to a local Casino that has a $1 or $2 all-you-can-eat buffet-That’s pressure! 🙄

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Cowboy26

16 days ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

Relative to his HOF candidacy , I would rely on the veterans committee of his peers. They would know him better than anyone if he was a scumbag I doubt they would want him to join them in Cooperstown.

It seems like the his contemporaries including Nolan Ryan (he was featured extensively in Facing Nolan) seemed to like and respect him. I know many already inducted weren’t choir boys but if he was truly that respected as a player the Veterans should have the decision to let him in.

Now if they would just stop screwing around and finally let Bobby Grich in…

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milehigh

16 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

I like the idea of veterans committee deciding. May be good for veterans to decide on the Ped users, too. If the Ped users completely come clean on their usage, dates, how long, etc.
And get Grich in.

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Marcotor

16 days ago

Reply to milehigh

Will it be OK for the PED deniers who continue to deny then come clean for a large fee to go into the HOF? Just wonderin’

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Jeff Joiner

16 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

I like this idea and putting a note that Rose was inducted posthumously due to his gambling ban.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

16 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Yeah. IF the vets committee puts him in, fine, but make his issues part of the display.

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Cowboy26

16 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Curious what HOFers Barry Larkin, Tony Perez & Dave Parker have to say. They all played under Manager Rose some in the case of Larkin played with Rose for multiple seasons even when Pete was a player coach. They would have witnessed some questionable managerial decisions based upon Rose’s betting patterns.

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Jeff Joiner

16 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

I wish I could find the Cincy Enquirer piece I’ve linked so many times. The writer looked at Rose’s bookie’s ledgers and compared the games Rose bet vs. those he didn’t.

The good pitchers didn’t throw in the games Rose didn’t bet and they got to stay in long enough to endure some damage. When Rose bet, neither was the case.

It was true he only bet on his team to win, but there were a lot of games he didn’t bet that he didn’t seem nearly as interested in winning.

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milehigh

16 days ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

While I think the current state of sports gambling totally is wrong for sports and may be deadly for a coach or player someday, I don’t have sympathy for Rose and his non-entry into the HoF. He knew what he was doing and flipped his middle finger to baseball.

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RexFregosi

16 days ago

Reply to halofansince1978

He has the all time MLB hits record.
my take is I’d rather have that than fanfare, such as the HOF.

I’d say the same about Barry.

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Marcotor

16 days ago

Reply to halofansince1978

I think his on-field accomplishments were and have always been respected. He was truly breathtaking to watch play a game.

His “hey, my shit don’t stink! and those rules? Ha! Those don’t apply to ME” attitude is what kept him out. If he had been leading, and offered an insincere and phony “apology for what I have done” he might have found a way into the HOF.

Pete DOUBLED DOWN denying he ever bet on baseball, and continued to whine about the HOF like a little girl who din’t get a pony. Then when he finally came clean (for a fee) he continued to whine about it.

Now, he is completely dead. A breathtaking, great player who broke the rules. THE rule.

Period.

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