The Angels top 10 prospects list is really about two prospects deep. Prospects are graded on a scale between 20 and 80 and only Caden Dana (55) and Nelson Rada (50) are rated as above average. After that, the ratings quickly fall to 45 and 40. Here is a how the top 10 looks today.
To make this exercise simple, I will stick with the MLB Pipeline ratings I’ve referenced above.
On Sunday the Angels have the 8th overall pick in the MLB Draft. In looking at MLB’s prospect rankings, each of the top 10 have a rating of 60. So as long as the Angels don’t over think it, the team should have a new #1 prospect next Sunday evening.
Granted, prospect rankings vary from list to list and drafts are unpredictable. Even if the Angels go for Trey Yesavage or James Tibbs III, who are rated 12 and 13 by MLB, they’d still add a 55 grade prospect who would at least equal our current #1. Tibbs is rated higher on other lists and is a very realistic possibility.
So, hello new #1 or #1A and goodbye current #10 Walbert Urena. But the improvement shouldn’t stop there.
Taylor Ward is an obvious trade piece and while the simulator isn’t perfect, it has gotten better and is a good tool. What type of prospects might Ward bring? At best likely a 55 grader or a 50 and more. Take a look at this.
In this case, Harrington is a 50 grade prospect while both Cheng and Forrester are graded at 45. In short, if the Angels completed this trade all three of these names would be on our new top 10 list. For perspective, Forrester is rated #17 in the Pirates system with the same prospect rating of 45 as our third rated prospect.
Or the Angels could shoot higher and concentrate Ward’s value into a player likely to top our prospect list. Asking the Pirates for just 55 grade Anthony Solomento and a throw in or netting AJ Smith-Shawver from the Braves.
Luis Rengifo also carries a solid trade value. Nearly equal to Ward’s. Here’s how to add a 55 grade prospect and a couple of lotter tickets for Rengifo.
And again, the so called “throw in” pieces of McCabe and Hackenberg are rated at 45, a value equal to our current #3 rated prospect. McCabe’s grade is low primarily because he’s a first baseman, but he’s a switch hitting first baseman who tore up the AFL. Hackenberg has a solid 4 pitch mix but nothing overwhelming. Likely a back end rotation piece, but would easily land inside our top 5 pitching prospects and could be fairly quick to MLB.
Even guys like Carlos Esteves and Tyler Anderson should be able to bring back some 45 grade or higher prospects; especially if Arte eats a little salary. Although Arte has paid plenty of guys to sit on the couch or play for other teams, he hasn’t yet shown a propensity for eating contracts in order to obtain better talent.
This is a slight overpay by KC but if Arte sent a couple hundred grand the sim would say it is even. Charles is a 45 grade prospect and great overall athlete. He needs to learn to lay off the breaking balls, but for half a season of Esteves, you do this deal every chance you get. The upside is huge.
This is a very practical roadmap to revamping our top 10 prospect list. Without proposing anything outlandish, we’ve acquired a new #1 and #2 along with multiple pieces currently on par with our current #1. Beyond that we’ve acquired 5 prospects that are considered on par with our #3 guy.
Simply put, in two weeks time our top 4 under this scenario would go: draft pick, Ritchie, Harrington, Dana,all with grades 50 or higher. For perspective, the Braves currently have a top 8 that are 50 and higher (would be 7 after this trade) while the Dodgers boast a robust dozen.
Spots 6-10 would be comprised mostly of the new guys with 45 grades. Likely the list would go Cheng, Rada, McCabe, Charles, Hackenberg, Forrester but perhaps Kent takes one of the last two spots.
That is 7 fresh new faces out of 10. Every one of the top 10 is rated 45 or higher. Guys who were in the top 10 with 40 grades are now in the mid teens. That is how a rebuild starts. We’d still be a long way from where we need to be, but the Angels would have the beginnings of a future with more promise.
Super Dana with the mixed performance today.
https://x.com/TaylorBlakeWard/status/1812227040969712038
I’m sure our 1b is bemused by his fellow 2023 college graduate draftees who are playing today being labeled as ‘prospects’
Doyers shat away a huge lead in the bottom of the 9th up 9-4!!
Ha! Good times! 11-9 Tigers! Gio “I broke my hip” Urshela with the walk off
Dodgers had sacks full, 1 out, in the 10th, GIDP, then the Gio walkoff
Reading these comments…. and years of past comments…. I am curious, and it may be a good off season topic, how magical and unicorn is it to get a new owner?
I mean, really. What teams have sold. Where were they when they sold? Who was already in the org? How long did it take Newownerz to build a play off team? How does it compare to teams with owners we think of as shit?
The Orioles make me wonder this. Angelos is a hated owner now dead. But he just died. Do people realize just how long, and how many failed “great farms” have gone by in Baltimore before this was all built under “hated owner” who then died?
My knowledge of this stuff’s pretty cursory. So I’d imagine CtPG Guy is damn near ignorant.
The Reds have flourished since flushing of Schott 25 years ago
They’re celebrating so much in Cincy this century, with all the titles and such.
The problem with your comment however is they won their last WS when Margie was their owner.
yep.
Marge 1, Arte 0
Chasm
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Doakes&Schott.mp3 – Boxer Michael Doakes and former Cincinnati Reds owner Marge Schott insist they’re competent, while sounding… something less.
We should ask Mariner Fan how it goes – they’re always getting new owners
But the same GM for the last 9 years that has amounted to 2 playoff wins but of course 2 more playoff wins than this moribund franchise.
Attrition of the losers.
The magical unicorn new owner?
I would be interested in the history behind ownership and ownership change. It actually is worthy of book form. “The History of Sports Ownership” or “Secret Mojo Behind Owning a Winning Sports Franchise” if it doesn’t exist already.
But, in the chapter of what “not” to do when you own a team, Art Moreno is the classic example. We know all the things he’s deficient at doing, and what it takes to have a successful MLB franchise. His only positive attribute is willing to shell out a top 10 payroll almost every year, and that is very noble. It’s the only thing that has kept him from being run out of the city of Anaheim on a rail. After his initial takeover of a successful team from 2004 to 2009 had ran its course, his bad habits in running a franchise has got us to where we are now. I’ve said this before, he got lucky with free agency right away, had a talented farm system and he thought he could do that same thing going forward. He thought he had the magic touch. He thought he was special, shit didn’t stink and this wasn’t that hard. Screw the groundwork and base of a successful franchise, I’ll just do this.
I think today’s new generation owner types are much more strategic in implementing a winning plan, whatever that is. The back in the day “mom and Pop” ownership are in the dark ages, never to return. Obviously, professional franchises are worth billions of dollars now, you have a different breed of human that buys these teams, younger and smarter techy and information savvy. To put it simply, a man like Art, today’s Art Moreno, 0% chance that he would/could buy the Angels.
Bottom line if he doesn’t sell, worst case scenario nothing will change, best case it takes another decade to have a well built franchise, and probably still behind the likes of the Braves and Doyers, other well run teams.
If he sells, whoever buys the team, we will see a rededication to what it takes to at least have a chance to win. Draft and develop talent, we will see a new stadium, more modern team facilities. Become no less than league average in scouting and development. We will be done living in the dark ages. It will be a Disneyland experience, compared to the times we live in, a shitty Ohio state fair.
Sell Arte Sell. And he is evil.
One gasp of hope is Steinbrenner. Worse than Arte as an owner, then after 20 years, he figured out the baseball people knew more.
We are in a bottom position. I think the gap between league average and the very bottom, for us is huge, we really are an outlier. Teams that kept us company at the bottom back in 2012 have cycled up and back down again where we’ve remained. We have zero chance outside of luck to move up to league average shit with the way things are now. A coat of paint, would make this org better. A new garage door would give us curb appeal. Just putting the money and effort into drafting and player development, we’d get off the bottom. Sure we will/might cycle down to the bottom again, but we’d eventually cycle up if we had the base…..And you might be right, maybe Art is finally listening to Perry, obviously we don’t know if Perry is the guy to turn this around, or if it will take 15 years to bare fruit if he is. And If Arte believed in putting the money and effort into developing talent, it would be easier. Don’t forget, the exciting new pitching and hitting tunnels arrive in Arizona for spring training 2025……right? How’s the progress on that. I’ll believe it when I see it.
That’s the thing. PTPs philosophy, managerial hire (I personally think Wash is his first real pick), coaches, background with the Jays and Braves… I think all of that’s good. I don’t even hate his “misses” because generally the things he attempts make sense to me.
I am wondering if it isn’t better to just stick with a mind that works in a way I am in favor of and hope he and Arte bungle into ways that work than to think a cleansing fire will do better. Sure. ARTE! So many people seem to feel him up their asses. But does it seem more likely that flailing change will deliver what I want than Arte will change like Steinbrenner did?
See, this is an example I was thinking of too. How often does “New ownership” actually transform a franchise and how long does it take in reality? Cause the last iteration of the “good Cubs”? Same shitty owner. Orioles? Same shitty owner. Dynasty Yankees? Same shitty owner. John Henry bought the Red Sox in Dec 2001. The team that won in 2003 was basically already built.
As for “not magic” I can think of off the top of my head, Attanasio bought the Brewers in 2005. So no instant magic there. Larry Dolan bought the Indians in 2000. No magic there. Jim Crane bought the Astros in 2011 and fooled around with Nolan “real baseball man” Ryan at first, becoming good 4 years later. The Rangers were already good when Greenburg bought em. Magowan bought the Giants in what? 1991? 92? How long has Rogers owned the Blue Jays now?
Mets super owner? Eh?
Do new owners just step in and weave magic carpets in two or three years? Did that even really happen with the Doyers?
And most concerning, are we just being pathetic “little bro” sad sacks about all this?
Timeline?
Jim Crane bought the Astros in 2011.
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So…. 4 years is our “fast magical unicorn”. 4 years and lots of cheating.
Someone needs to explain to me scouting. I have a difficult understanding why you need to be paid more to do well at evaluating talent. I mean all of these top 300 prospects have tape on them since high school. This is not the 1950s where they’re looking for kids off the farm in Ohio. Missing on your 1st – 4th rounders in the manner the Angels have has nothing to do with “resources”.
I have known four guys who have worked as scouts and yes, you are right. A lot of it is actually watching film they are SENT by coaches, even parents. That’s how they find guys. They also literally look at all the stats and news stories for all the college and high school kids in their area and focus a ton on travel ball teams. That’s how they find guys. They also get tons of performance stats from the expensive coaching centers half these kids go to.
BUT like in anything, SEEING all that video, and then in person innings, effectively is a talent. The better a scout is at this, the more expensive he is. And the more of these high end scouts you have, the more needles you find in what will still largely be a hay stack. So spending on scouting matters.
Also, freelance scouts are cheaper, but are far less likely to gel with your team’s development philosophy and scout for that. So money matters then too.
In the advertising and design arena I am in, yes a business owner can read analytics reports and mostly understand them. They can also place ad buys. They even sometimes poop out a really good ad idea and make it look good. All of this does happen.
What also happens sometimes is you hire me and I let loose a total clunker.
But he is far more likely to make money far more often if he hires me, let’s me do my job, and gives me a budget big enough to effectively promote his ads. especially if he does that often and at regular intervals.
Scouting is the same now. The more guys you have working both analytics and evaluation who are better than average the better. The more often they are working the better. But all that costs more.
By the way. I have heard the sentiment that this is why a lot of GMs are just former players or other guys you never hear about like Perry. In a lot of cases you DON’T have to spend millions on a GM if you intend to spend on scouts, coaches, and contract lawyers.
So with this is mind, What was the secret sauce of those successful Front Office Execs from regimes past ?
Guys like Pat Gillick, John Schuerholz, Theo Epstein or possibly even Dave Dombrowski (although he has worn out his welcome a few times) Two of those guys are in the Hall of Fame but all have had success for every team they have worked for.
Is it a discerning eye of baseball player talent? Or maybe they know how to pick great scouts and assistants? or maybe they’re just that they’re good at creating a great player development structure?
To me this is the key . Not that these guys had success but they were able to succeed over multiple eras with multiple ball clubs . If we could figure this out does it matter who the team owner even is?
It would not matter if the owner was willing to pay for these quality people in the Org and then get out of the way. Then you could plug in any owner.
Unfortunately Its 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89dGC8de0CA
We need a great GM and Manager that work together….
campanis.wav – Tommy Lasorda on whose fault it is: “Ain’t my f***ing fault? Campanis is the f***ing guy.”
Are we overrating the value of mlb field managers again?
They don’t matter UNTIL THEY DO. Translation…..till you give them a good enough team on paper to win.
It doesn’t matter who the owner is, just as long as they have money and willing to invest where their baseball say.
stability matters too.
one of the most successful franchises is St. Louis, they were owned by the Busch’s and Budweiser for decades
I think the past good GMs have the stuff you listed. That’s my guess. Plus Beane had the moneyball advantage for about 3 seasons…. but where’s he at now?
Cash does matter a little too. For example, I didn’t think ex-Pirates GM Neil Huntington was all that bad… but Nutting….
from the internet:
FanSided’s MLB Insider, Robert Murray, had a simple response when asked about how close a Taylor Ward to Pittsburgh deal was.
“Nothing has ever been close,” Murray posted to X/Twitter Wednesday, in a response to a question asking if Ward was headed to the Steel City.
One oversight by me in this article: our second round pick should also have a 50 grade.
Our third and 4th round picks should be 45’s, meaning they’d join a huge host of others at 45; possibly breaking top 10 but certainly staying top 20.
These FV grades are also quite variable. Fangraphs, for instance, is much more conservative, and only views Rada and Dana as 45 grade or above.
They also only view five of the 2024 draft class as 50 FV grade prospects.
Been reading how the Orioles “lucked out” on their 2019 draft, and ouch, this still stings:
They created their own luck by doing the hard work of scouting and talent evaluation. They have too deep a farm system for just “lucking out”
The entire article is in The Athletic. Give it a read if you can, it’s good. I purposely quoted “lucked out” because obviously it wasn’t just luck. Here is the entire quote from their GM/scouting director:
Yep. We need more scouts and development guys…. and more fans to realize that even with that Brandon Wood happens and it can take a long time to assemble enough young players who make it, even with a good plan.
1974 Steelers draft…….lynn swann, jack lambert, mike webster, john stallworth, and donnie shell
2009 GS warriors draft Steph Curry, Klay Thompson 2011 draft , Draymond Green 2012 draft.
This isn’t luck Champ, this is called good scouting and player development……… 💪 💪 💪 💪
I knew Curry was going to be a generational type player…..
Said nobody! F’ing luck going 7th in a weak draft.
Why does it sting? It’s not like our team hatched basically the plan the O’s followed and then scrapped it and sent our notes to Balto.
Or does it sting in a “oh ouchy. Udder team did good stuff. I want I want.” kinda way…. which is a sting that will always bee pricking people who feel that way? The Eternal Sting of Envy. I think it was in the 2nd The Mummy movie…..
The Curse of the 2009 GOAT draft still haunts us to this day.
So far we have IF Neto, C O’Hoppe, DH Trout.
SP Soriano
For the bench we have Moniak, Rendon,
AAA quality still young: Detmers, Schanuel
Needs:
We need 3 OF
A middle IF to play with Neto
A power 3B or 1B
A starting Ace, a #2 pitcher that doesn’t get hurt and is steady.
4 middle relievers
Real Current prospects:
SP Dana June 2025
IF Lugo 2027
OF Rada im not sure , he’s been ass in AA. 2027
SP Kent 2027.
The only way they compete by 2027 is to one star OF, one ace SP, a mid tier OF, a #2 SP which will cost around $100 mil a year and supplement that with anybody they can get from this trade deadline and the draft.
Agreed
C O’Hoppe
1B Schanuel
2B
3B
SS Neto
OF
OF
OF
DH Trout
3B Rendon
C Thaiss
OF Moniak
SP
SP
SP Soriano
SP Detmers
SP Canning
SP Dana up by June
RP Joyce
RP Crouse ( I like him)
RP Rosenberg ( I think he can do mop up duty)
From the draft perspective I’d love to see Hagan Smith slip to 8 ( i see a lot of Bachman in Chase Burns due to his small stature) and somehow Vance Honeycutt if he slips to 45. Smith and Dana could top out at #2 pitchers and would arrive together. Honeycutt would be another Taylor Ward.
just watching CWS tournament, i thought Yesavage was better than both Smith and Burns
I think a lot of people caught that. Because of his competition folks thought he was not as good. But he got in against “real teams” and still looked really good…. so questions abound.
Would you be pissed if ol’CheapnEvil obviously storms into the draft room and demands that Stoopid Perry draft Yesavage over slot to save money?
I’m not sure. I’d like a more “wow” pick, but I’m not so certain a guy like Montgomery is so much better than Yesavage for us….
I’d be cool with guys rated 10-15ish. It when they go rogue and pick someone beyond in Wtf territory.
Even If Yesavage isn’t ’elite 8’, he’s still top 15. And I’d be more than happy.
I wouldn’t give up Adell he’ll continue to get more rope going forward. The dude went 1 for 2 with a K and 2 walks last night with his only hit going to right field. I know hes only hitting .183 but he has a 67 point differential between his BA and OBP by far the largest in his career and his K rate of 29.7% K/PA this season is by far the best in his career. Since his defense now plays He just needs to stop trying to pull everything he has natural power so no need to try a mash the ball every time he swings
You might as well keep Ward on that list he is controlled for 3 more seasons as well as Rengifo. I just dont see the Angels trading either one.
I’d like to see the Angels try to develop Huira hes still young enough that he could be a pleasant pickup.
Bachman & Silseth will also get alot of opportunities going forward provided they are healthy. And I wouldn’t count out Kochanowicz yet . He was obviously nervous on Thursday but I think he was overthrowing as his ball did not move at all. His Debut was certainly better than Ervin Santana though. VooDoo gave up 6 runs 8 hits 3 walks and 2 HR’s in his 4 inning debut start and we know how that turned out. So Let’s see how he does after the break before writing him off as a complete bust.
Theres at least a couple of bullpen arms that we should be able to develop from AA like Minacci, Torres, Darrel-Hicks, Seig, Erla , and Armstrong that will probably get some opportunities in Anaheim later this summer.
Obviously the Angel have some good elements going forward but they are so short on depth and established foundational building blocks going forward I dont know how to fix it in then near future.
Ervin was a B+ rated prospect by Sickels and was #13 on the list of his ratings for all Minor League pitching prospects.
So we should trade him then, right?
Until this organization starts showing they can develop American prep stars or Latin players, which they haven’t done in long time BTW, then we should cut our losses fast. Sunk Cost Fallacy sucks for losing teams.
BYE……
I’m not big on Schanuel.
I want more power and run production from this position, and to me he just doesn’t have it. If there’s someone with those tools, then they need to pursue this.
Yah trade him for Pete Alonso 🐻❄️
With 4 picks in the first 100, Minasian better nail this M-fer. It’s probably too late to save his job but will help rebuild his rep.
Turk, need your draft post.
The problem is that this draft class isn’t really 100 picks deep. After the Angels’ first two selections, it’s basically lotto tickets and org filler for days. It’s a weak, weak class.
So if the Angels are fishing for a discount at #8, they’re stupid as f**k. And unfortunately, we know that the Angels are often stupid as f**k. They should just follow the consensus this year and not get clever.
Stupid as F*ck maybe but how else do generate maximum excess funds to lure talented college declared high schoolers away frothier commitments?
How do you think the Angels drafted Caden Dana?
I think he is saying that there aren’t a whole lot of Dana type guys in the mid-rounds to lure with spare cash.
Dana was an 11th round pick. I believe Albright was selected in the 12th round. Both were picked when the slot value was less than $200k .
I believe There are always Dana type guys even if the overall draft talent pool sucks giant balls. the problem is trying to identify them and being able to sign them away from college. the only way this happens is if you can sign other picks significantly below slot value. This was done in 2021 and 2022 with the Bachman and Neto picks. No way the Angels could sign either high schooler without those first round discounts especially in 2022 with the Thor signing 2nd round pick forfeiture. And the reality is no Team will exceed 5% over your draft pool allocation because the penalties become so draconian.
Now with the retention of our 2nd round pick and the addition of the Ohtani comp pick is is possible the Angels reach close to slot value with all their picks since, after all, they have a team record draft signing bonus pool this year.Or, possibly in knowing Perry’s M.O.from previous drafts, maybe he takes a flyer on multiple over slot high schoolers by making discounted slot picks in those early rounds.
Has anyone done the homework with who we might take with our 2nd and 3rd picks on Sunday?
I’m guessing Travis Bazzana and Charlie Condon. And if Perry doesn’t draft either one he should be immediately fired.
Ha!
Hopefully Turks teeth will show up
For the 2nd, thinking he’ll grab a prep arm, Santucci, electric gas from the left side. Or maybe a Ryan Sloan drops to him, another prep arm. . But I think we’ll see arms being drafted after the 1st pick.
No good 3B prospect to my likening after Condon. No to Tommy White and Amick. That is one position Halos are thin on in the organization.
Again, cause “Draft?”, it’s funny, but if they just took the guys MLB Pipeline has ranked in those draft spots I’d be OK. It’s like an LSU arm, a high school arm and some other pitcher.
The only feelz I have is that I kind of hope they draft “hit tool” guys as position players over “raw power” guy. They arrive faster and can put on a little power as they age. Same goes with pitching and “stuff kid”. I have grown wary of “Great FB. Assplode slider. Control issues. Needs to learn a change up to start.” I’ll take a guy with three solid pitches who can find the strike zone over a future TJS All-Star almost all the time now. (Nothing wrong with drafting a couple pure velo guys)
It just seems like College or HS arms, when I note they can already throw a change up well, those kids turn out a lot more often. Or they are Detmers…. a mystery.
OK, let’s assume we trade all the guys we can. What’s the simplest/biggest bump we can get for our system….
Here’s some fairly simple “just get the best” trades and the prospect grades we get. It’s just an example….
Taylor Ward to the Pirates for Anthony Solomento (LHP/55/AA) and Mitch Jebb (IF/50/A+)
Luis Rengifo to the YAnkees for Brando Mayea (OF/50/A) and Brock Selvige (LHP/45/AA)
Kevin Pillar to Braves for Nacho Alvarez (3B/50/AAA)
Carlos Estvez to the Royals for Ben Kudrna (RHP/45/A+)
Tyler Anderson (and 7M dollars) to the Guardians for Alex Clemmy (LHP/50/A)
Griffin Canning to the Braves for Owen Murphy (RHP/50/A+)
Matt Thaiss to Indians for Petey Halpin (OF/45/AA)
This pile would give us 9 prospects that have at least a 45 grade. It would make it so our top 17 prospects have at least a 45 grade. Though only 2 or 3 55 grade players.
To give you some clue where that puts us, the Braves would be 45+ down to their #18 prospect. The Rays stay that high till #22. The Doyers through #25. The Twins at #17. The Brewers down to #18.
So we’d be a mid-range farm at this point, maybe a little stronger, but lacking a “huge prospect” unless a guy like Mayea or Rada grows into a huge prospect.
That 16 year old kid smashing in the dr league could be a top prospect once he’s doing it over here.
It’s classic, Pirates fan base think their GM is dumb for considering Ward. They must be staying up late at night to watch the Halo shit show. For me, Ward and Anderson are the top two to move. Estevez is an automatic.
Ward is not a household name nor “flashy”, and candidly his stats are not “great”. He plays for arguably the worst (ML roster and farm system) franchise in all of baseball. The owner has a terrible reputation, the front office has been flaying for over a decade, and it’s best players can’t stay on the field. Lastly, this is the team that let Ohtani walk for nothing.
I don’t blame the Pirates fans one bit……
I think the first thing, stats/flashy is the Yinzerz issue.
The rest is you.
Like, honestly, a fan of a team in the hunts gonna say “Sure, he’s got an .850 OPS…. but his teams owner has a horrible reputation, their free agents keep getting injured, and their biggest star left in free agency soooo…. nah.”?
Those are fair points.
Ah, trading all marketable assets simply to have a “mid-range farm” without a “huge prospect” isn’t worth it. Tanking only works if you get top notch assets in return that will yield high quality in two years or so. Especially in SoCal. Bottoming out simply to still have less chances at the prospect lottery than other clubs is failure. Pure and simple.
This is the argument that brought the last 10+ years of mediocrity. It’s time for a new plan.
But but…. then who will I watch to entertain my tiny comfortable balls? Who will be my Dale Murphy while I wait bitterly for the team to sell to a new magical owner? Sure, the teams awful now, but isn’t that way better than more awful?
Hope LIV buys the Angels?
Flush with cash after all they paid Lionel Messi $100M plus last year.
Not sure what the official definition of a prospect really is, but if Nelson Rada is considered a prospect so would Dario Laverde, Joswa Lugo ( Who BA had ranked as the no. 8 International signee last year), Felix Morrobel and Barrett Kent IMO.
I’m not sure how high they all would be ranked in other org’s but they should definitely be considered as prospects.
People are kinda being total pussies about this cause…. Arte/Perry. I know, shocking. Yes, guys like Kent and Morrobel are 45 grade. The trouble is, our last 45 is Morrobel at #8…. teams with good farms have 45s down toward 20. Thasnoahgood.
Yep. And 45 shouldn’t start until after at least half a dozen 50+.
Our 45 is #3.
Which is why our farm is #2.
love how we have a lame duck GM responsible for the future.
Well lets see:
Predicting a lot of CTPG people are going to be surprised and pissed when Perry signs an extension. Just don’t see Art getting rid of him.
Personally, I’d say there is a much better chance that Perry quietly doesn’t want to come back. He’d prefer to move on after the frustration of dealing with Arte, too much bullshit, too many limitations. Might not step into a GM role anytime soon, but he’d land on his feet and at least be an assistant GM somewhere.
If Perry is considering a long-term career as a GM and POBO, he’d “seek new opportunities” at the end of the season. He needs to get out before he is tarnished with the on the field results…..and it’s getting to be where he will start being held accountable for being a leader of the “shit show”.
Surviving Arte Moreno didn’t limit JeDi’s or Eppler’s baseball opportunities.
Ok, let’s presume they trade Ward, Rengifo, Anderson, and Estevez. They then have the worst OF, INF, SP and bullpen in the league. Congrats. That likely continues for at least a year or two. How does this help the franchise? They won’t draw fans. No one will want to play here that doesn’t have to by trade or draft. There will be no plan to be good either.
But they will have lots of “prospects” that might be decent if they could select quality guys or were good at same. Hint: they aren’t talented at same. Anyway, If they’re lucky in three years, they might hit on a few prospects and have three players as good as Ward, Rengifo, and Anderson. Overall, as you can tell, I don’t see it. The Halos don’t need to trade solid guys now for what two Moniak, an Adell, and a Davis Daniel could maybe become.
Considering that the team is on pace for its worst record since the 1980 season, aren’t they already in the position of not drawing fans or being able to get players to come here? While I don’t like the idea of a rebuild, it is a plan to get better by stockpiling talent and see if we can develop good players from it. I don’t really see a way to improve this season so why not do the reverse of last year’s trade deadline?
Born in 56 myself. It’s not necessarily the team’s record that puts butts in the seats. It is the fans relationships with the players. Some Angels have become beloved; trading them away will adversely affect the fanbase to some degree.
Yes, and fans should realize what Perry is good at. As opposed to other aspects, Perry seems decent at picking up stopgap guys that can fill certain holes and allow the team to function when all of the actually talented guys can perform. Pickups like Pillar and Calhoun have been solid. Same with Crouse. Even Garcia and Strickland. So if the Halos keep their talent, draft well, and season it with a few of these bargain basemen pickups, they might be able to compete a little. Stephenson BTW may be healthy and a bullpen option by mid-2025. Try that.
Houston went from a $105 mil payroll down to $14 mil. That $105 mil represented a 74-88 record which might sound familiar to us. They got rid of everybody, sank as low as 51-111. Attendance dropped from 2.5mil a season to 1.6mil. Then the strategy kicked in and worked (4 WS appearances in the last 7 seasons, 2 titles), payroll is way up now, attendance is back. They suffered for 5 years.
Meanwhile we’ve had a different type of suffering, coming up on 9 seasons in a row with a losing record, more in line with where Houston was when they decided to tank. Could we make it through 5 years from here with 50+ wins? If we had an owner with a plan, sure.
That’s what we’re looking at
Houston was good at it. They had unique analytics guys with insight and a different environment both as to fans and choosing talent. The same climate isn’t in place here. This would be like seeking to a new owner who had all of these smart baseball people coming in, moving marketable assets in the short-term, and re-establishing a foundation with new ideas, leadership, concepts, etc. That could work in that differing environment. With Arte, it won’t work and will plunge the team into five years of poor play with no upside in sight. They are better where they are now, saving assets, and trying to add to it.
Pain and suffering now for future hope and sunlight later.
They’re gonna get #9 consecutive losing season in a row, make no mistake about it.
Excited to see some new talent in the system and Lord knows we need it, but I need to push back a bit on this whole “we have no prospects” chestnut. Our last two 1st-rounders were promoted to the Majors before they had a chance to insinuate themselves on the top prospects lists… and considering how both hit in their limited time in the minors, seems like a no-brainer they’d both be Top 100 players now given a normal two-year stretch on the farm.
Lugo is hitting .400 in the DR at 17-years-old. The idea that he’s an inferior prospect to the Pirates’ No. 17 just because he has a lower scouting grade is laughable. Ha-ha. That’s me laughing.
The upshot: lists/rankings/grades are fun but also not gospel, right? Susceptible to group-think, bias, bullshit, etc.? And those guys (e.g. Baseball America, The Athletic) have always liked taking a piss on the Angels. I don’t think it’s a conspiracy or anything. They just can’t help it… like picking on your buddy’s kid brother.
For example….. has anyone noticed that the Yankees always have at least a couple of “dee behzt” prospects at various positions over the years and then you never hear about them again when they are traded to the A’s or Reds?
Coaching, training, fundamentals, all at work here against us.
A radical trade deadline purge would AT THE VERY LEAST create some hope around the base. Imagine having a Farm System ranked in the middle instead of solidly at the bottom. that alone creates positivity, right? Right?
Or at least pitch it all to Arte as saving Estevez/Ward/Rengifo/Anderson salary. That alone works, right? RIGHT?
Exactly. Clear some salary and if you want a PR win, try to give some to O’Hoppe or Neto.
If he doesn’t want to do that (probably not) then enjoy your savings and declare a rebuild if for nothing else than for cover during the RSN upheaval.
Arte could purge and just settle for ‘Cash Considerations’ and just pocket a few million
that’s the very least a purge could do
Do the Trade Simulators tell us how much straight up cash in return a player would bring?
I figured out why and how we botched all the drafts post Trout and Dipoto🧐🤔🤫😩
You mean Post Trout?
DiPoto’s 4 drafts were horrible.
What’s the name of the Phillies GM again?
Currently?
Sam Fuld
I can’t find anybody’s good draft. I’ve been looking at the DiPoto, Eppler, Minasian drafts as well as those of the Dodgers, Astros, Yankees, and Braves. They’re all full of guys who didn’t make it which certainly includes first rounders.
I did notice more of the Atlanta picks seem to have made it to the majors although not necessarily as Braves.
Man, that hopium feels so good once it hits the lungs. Thank you for letting me breathe this in.
I get the sense these past few weeks that there’s a pile of old men on this site who are afraid to rebuild because the Angels may suck for more seasons than they have left to watch.
This is true. Some of us my literally die before the Angels win another pennant.
Kind of makes you wish you’d enjoyed that last good run the Angels had instead of bitching about not signing Jason Schmidt or Patrick Corbin or drafting Keith Keithman huh?
Trade everyone. Bring on the kids.
If I can see .500 before I die…..I’ll be happy.
No Country For Old Men, was a great movie.
Trade all that is tradable.
Except Heef. I like Heef. I’d miss Heef.
The children are our future!
Give them a sense of pride!
Let them play!
Some of us my literally die before the Angels win another pennant.
Bingo – trade the kids and Thrive in ’25!!
I’m fine with the rebuild, no complaining by anyone for the next 5 years including who we get back and who get’s drafted.
It doesn’t offend me. I’m 61 going on 14 and I hope they trade everything of worth beyond a few select young core pieces. Rengifo, Ward, Anderson and several others won’t be around for the next playoff team either way.
Continuing to repeat past mistakes insures future failures. They might flame out with prospects but at least there’s some hope.
Exactly. Just cause I’m old doesn’t mean we don’t need to bight the bullet and do things right finally.
Every damm draft of Eppler was terrible+the 20 pitcher draft by Perry in 21 (5 drafts) equals the Cleveland Browns and Chicago Bears.
OK. Sooooo…. we just won’t do the draft. Cool. Strawberries are disappointing 50% of the time. I say we never eat those again either.
the only thing i’m expecting is Heefy to the Yankees – makes too much sense for both sides and they will toss Cashman into the Harlem River is he doesn’t do something.
Hoping for talent (like one of their top 5) instead of multiple bodies of high risk prospects.
Amen
it could also be just a straight up trade: Rengifo for DJ LeMahieu.
the would be a clAssic hAlo move
Former batting champ who knows how to drive in runs. That’s Arte’s guy right there.
I’ve decided that Arte is a chick. Chicks dig the long ball, and don’t care about pitching (apologies to Mia, Bug, Opie, and JDL).