LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: It gets worse

Morning Angels fans. Hungover? Me? No. Not at all. Have some links.

Angels News

Mike Trout is injured. Again. Knee. Out for a while. No one knows how long.

To get some OF depth, Kevin Pillar is now an Angel. At least the defense will be good.

Oh and the Angels lost last night. Because of a blown save. Yep. They still have not won back to back games since sweeping the Marlins. Not even a cat could save the Angels.

Is Rengifo good? How about Jo Adell? I hope so.

Around Baseball

What is worse than a rain delay? A Bee delay. NOT THE BEES! AHHHH! Thankfully the beekeeper beekept the bees and threw the first pitch. A good thing too, since the Mariners posted the Bee Movie script.

Jose Abreu was sent down to AAA. Yes, former MVP Jose Abreu. Has that ever happened before? Like not cut or whatever, but agreed to be sent down? A former MVP? With a big contract?

Pitchers throw harder than ever. SP are now throwing triple digit triple digit pitches a year. That can’t be good.

Comcast no longer has access to Bally Sports. When will Bally Sports go under? We are waiting.

The NHL playoffs are on, so of course, MLB had to appeal to their fans by having a brawl. Punches thrown wow! Oh and 2 other people got thrown in an unrelated incedent.

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes.

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Angels2020Champs
Legend
17 days ago

*sounds* okish… what sounds better is Washington ponying up his own cash money to create a Washington’s winners fan section anywhere in the park. I’d take LF/RF foul pole last row nose bleeds.

Wash has altered his previous perception I had of him regarding his managerial skills (for the better) but this type of political mumbo jumbo is as ok to call out as it is to say. As someone who frequents the Big A on the above average grading scale, I’d rather have him talk about anything else (like upcoming players or FA acquisitions) than the come to the park and don’t give up on us because I believe we will put together better baseball at some point pile.

Fansince1971
Legend
17 days ago

I don’t think there are any fair weather fans here. Wash is new to the Arte era and all the warts in this Org. Being realistic does not equate to giving up on the team.

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

“Don’t think, it can only hurt the Ball Club.”

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’m a fair weather fan, you could say. I see absolutely no point in watching a team that ownership has mismanaged so much. Like a bad movie, I won’t watch it just because it was made by a business. My heart is with the Angels but I’m not going to stay in a bad relationship forever. I never thought that could happen until Scioscia won me over from the Reds, so it can happen again. It hasn’t happened yet, but it could get there and I don’t see a problem with it at all. If you want me around, give me a reason to be around.

Last edited 16 days ago by Mikeal1st
halofansince1978
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

Thank you for being honest about it.

Cowboy26
Legend
17 days ago

But that was written before last night. After Watching Wash’s horrible management of the bullpen ( Moore pitching for 3 days in row/ Asking Estevez to get a 4 out save knowing that he sucks giant balls on back to back days) Not sure if he hasn’t already given up himself.

If this was Maddon, Perry would be trying to control the available arms but since Wash is his guy , that aint going to happen. Man what a terrible combination

Last edited 17 days ago by Cowboy26
DaveChalk
Trusted Member
17 days ago

Well Wash, you give us better defense, a bullpen that doesn’t blow up games, and batters that get hits when runners are in scoring position and I will show up at the ballpark. (Note, most of this is tongue in cheek. I had no expectations to see good baseball this year. lol)

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  DaveChalk

We can’t even consistently throw to the correct base. We need for the team to be forced to attend some of the practices being currently conducted by people on this board.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
17 days ago

“I know we may not have the best personnel in the world, but we can play better baseball,” Washington said, via Fletcher. “And that’s all we want, to play better baseball. The rest of it will take care of itself.”

What is “the rest of it” that he refers to?

steelgolf
Super Member
16 days ago

😆

bobblanton
Trusted Member
17 days ago

Pillar starting in left field today

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  bobblanton

I hope the Phillies decide to take it easy on us

bobblanton
Trusted Member
17 days ago

12-0

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Kevin Hicks…Aaron Pillar

steelgolf
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  bobblanton

🤢

PedroCerrano
Super Member
17 days ago
smithy610
Super Member
17 days ago

Here is a long-form tweet from a doctor that Fletch retweeted. So I’m assuming it has good info:

Jesse Morse, MD
@DrJesseMorse

Mike Trout #MLB

Suffered an injury to the meniscus in his knee.

Trout has dealt with wrist, back and calf injuries. However, there is no reported history of any knee issues.

News came out today that he has an injury to his meniscus and is going to require surgery, but it is not expected to be season-ending.

The meniscus is a very important piece of cartilage in the knee to help to protect the articular cartilage, the ACL, as well as the function of the knee.

There is a meniscus on both the inner (medial) and outer (lateral) parts of the knee. Each of these are shaped similar to the letter C.

Traditionally, the meniscus has a very poor blood supply and does not heal very well on its own.

Injuries to the mid-body or posterior (back) part of the knee have a tendency to cause more issues.

There are two types of surgeries that you can perform on the meniscus. The first is a trimming of the meniscus called a meniscectomy.

These often tend to be a quick fix and can end up being counterproductive in the long run, as they allow more damage to the articular cartilage, often leading to early onset osteoarthritis.

The benefit of the surgery is that it removes the meniscus that is causing the pain/swelling and allows the person to return to normal function relatively quickly.

This is likely what Trout had in light of the fact that they said it would not likely end his season.

The other type of procedure is a much larger one, and this is a repair of the meniscus. These are often completed when the patient is young, or there is a significant tear of the meniscus where removal/trimming would be not effective.

I would not be surprised if Trout is evaluated by Dr. Neal ElAttrache, who of one of the top orthopedic surgeons in the country and based in LA.

There are 2 possibilities/scenarios here :

1. Some players will return from a trimming of the meniscus in about 2 to 3 weeks, but that is very aggressive and usually not recommended.

I think a more realistic timeline is anywhere between 4 to 6 weeks.

Post surgery Trout’s rehabilitation will be important and may be complimented by supplemental injections like PRP or orthobiologics (stem cells) to help with improving his rehab and recovery.

2. If the surgeon deems that the piece of meniscus that is torn is larger than expected upon opening him up, there is a chance the decision is to repair the meniscus instead, which would end his season.

I think a realistic scenario is that Trout returns between mid-June and the All-Star break, assuming he doesn’t have any setbacks.

If you found this helpful, consider following me for more sports medicine/injury related posts.

MarineLayer
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Ron Artest returned to an NBA lineup 11 days after his surgery. I would estimate 11 months for Trout.

Pineapple12
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Not concerned about this injury. Standard procedure for all athletes.

The back issue was/is more worrisome for longterm health imo.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

Now you’ve done it: dared the angry ancient souls under centerfield – Trout will be looking at a full knee replacement…on both knees.

Pineapple12
Super Member
17 days ago

That’s happening with or without me if we are being honest. Trout is the human version of the patient in the game Operation

Twebur
Legend
17 days ago

Mike Nano-knee…..emphasis on the K in knee.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Anybody else remember media and coaches talking about how when Trout was running the bases that he had super heavy footsteps and he sounded way louder than other players?

I’m remember reading that years ago and wondering how well Trout would age. It was a big part of the reason why I thought moving him to left was a good idea.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Certainly when he returns this year. He should DH.

smithy610
Super Member
17 days ago

Willie Calhoun to the rescue. According to Fletch, he’s joining the team today.

This may be forebearing of bad news for Sano, who’s still not officially on the IL.

MarineLayer
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

How does this work defensively? Does that mean Rengifo gets everyday starts there?

smithy610
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

That, or Adrianza

MarineLayer
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Always a good idea to bring up a guy who has no defensive position because he can’t field at all. What about Marisnick?

smithy610
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I believe Marisnick is on the minors IL

Pineapple12
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

We’ve been in a sad state for a while.

Pillar and Calhoun might be rock-bottom.

MarineLayer
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Captain Jack? Velasquez? Aaron Hicks? It’s an endless list of rock bottom.

Pineapple12
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

We don’t have Trout or Shohei this time. It’s badddd

Last edited 17 days ago by Pineapple12
Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

I fear we’re not even within 4 light-years of “rock bottom”

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
17 days ago

“The call is coming from inside the house”

I think of that when I think about the Angels. It all adds up to misery until the owner sells and a real GM is hired. And a real scouting department is developed.

Here’s my Perry rant for the day. Raisel Iglesias has a 2.38 ERA for Atlanta and had a similar ERA the year before but Perry got rid of him because of a short loss of form. And yet Perry will sign players off the scrap heap because they were good two years ago, or three, or eight.

Signing guys who are “trade chips” won’t work for two reasons. Other clubs won’t value our scrap heap signings and we have nothing in place to properly evaluate other teams’ prospects.

I know you all know this. I just felt like venting, thinking about Estevez and wondering about Iglesias.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
17 days ago

You could say it this way. They gave up Iglesias. They then paid Stephenson more money. Who would you rather have?

Twebur
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Add a new Closer to the list for 2025….along with, 3rd, 1st, 2nd, rest of the Bullpen, 3 or 4 starters, and another OF’er, assuming our CF will miss at least 1/2 of next season too.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Twebur

Could we just get the Rays to move to Anaheim?

2GA2Join
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

What?
I thought Iglesias was something like 4yrs $64MM.
Stephenson is 3 for 33, right?

MarineLayer
Super Member
17 days ago

Minasian doesn’t know what he’s doing. If he thinks Arturo is tying his hands behind his back, he should just resign.

MarineLayer
Super Member
17 days ago

As well you should. Minasian has a very poor record stocking our bullpen, even when he says it’s the top priority.

toad2065
Member
17 days ago

A closer who cannot pitch effectively two days in a row is not a viable closer!

halofansince1978
Super Member
PedroCerrano
Super Member
17 days ago

Wheeler vs. Sandoval yaaa…

MarineLayer
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

No lineup yet. I wonder why the Angels release their lineup so late. I wonder if Washington forgets and no one on the staff reminds him. Does he remember that Sano is still on the team?

PedroCerrano
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I’m a sceptic on Sano. 27Ks in 61AB with 8 walks and just one HR doesn’t bode well for his future prospects.Angels have basically zero real third baseman.

MarineLayer
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

What makes me cautiously optimistic is his insane average exit velocity together with the fact he appears to be our best defensive 3B.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I get it but wonder if that is sustainable with all the swing and miss. I agree on the defense but it’s a pretty scary reality when he’s the best defensive option.

RexFregosi
Super Member
17 days ago

they’ll find enough ball players eventually. i imagine they’re calling Independent leagues teams now for players.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago

Hey Washington, give Estevez the day off, no need to dress for the game, let him catch the early flight.

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago

This is the year we find out who the real Angel fans are.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
17 days ago

Yeah baby. Purity test.

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago

The next three to five years will be like the original 18 and the first 10 Disney years…buckle up and enjoy the ride!!

RexFregosi
Super Member
17 days ago

i wish.

i think this team is just 1974 team on endless repeat loop

PedroCerrano
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

This team wishes it had the equivalent rotation of Ryan, Tanana, Singer and Hassler with Ed Figueroa in the wings. Even Dick Lange who started 18 games was better with a 3.90 ERA.

Ryan & Tanana started 76 games and accounted for over 600 combined innings! That team just couldn’t do anything else well.

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

BTW: I meant first few years of Disney…oops!!

PedroCerrano
Super Member
17 days ago

I hated the Disney characters dancing around on top of the dugouts. It was like the hard boiled egg eating contest or whatever crazy crap they invent to distract you from a MiLB game.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

After missing the playoffs for 10+ years, this is “the” season where the true believers are christened?

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
17 days ago

Peak struggle session, comrade.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago

“Comrade?” OMG, they’ve gotten to Grichman!!!!!!

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Russian collusion?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago

Well, the Halos are now primarily Red……

Pineapple12
Super Member
17 days ago

Confident that anyone still here is a real fan.

There’s no reason to support this shit team lol

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I’ve already seen a couple “As a fan I’m going to mail it in.” posts.

nishiogawakun
Super Member
16 days ago

One of those was me! I mean, if you want to gate keep that’s fine, no skin off my nose. I still have all my Angels memorabilia on my wall and they are my team, but definitely not spending hours a day watching them. Life is too short, my kids are only this age once, and summer in the PNW is something very pleasant. I’ll be a daily tuner when I decide to be again.

tanana40
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

and you are our optimist!

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  tanana40

Wait…I want that title!!

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago

LOL @ “This is the year….”

 😂 

toad2065
Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Now is the time for all good men…

PedroCerrano
Super Member
17 days ago

I’m not sure that buying into this shit show is an indication of true fandom. Perhaps, stupidity but here I am still commenting.

RexFregosi
Super Member
17 days ago

definitely will clean out the fraud fans who were just sticking around for all the joy and fun times of back-to-back 73 win seasons

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Funny stuff Rex!!

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
17 days ago

Blowpen loses the following day are just as tough as the night before,

Twebur
Legend
17 days ago

Seinfeld fans…..something to watch instead of our shitting baseball team for an evening.

Unfrosted – a comedy about Pop-Tarts
https://youtu.be/6Uv1ofWr8Zk?si=i62e6DT_cOPg3C3q

Jim Atkins
Super Member
17 days ago

Happy about Jo Adell finally becoming the player he was projected to be. On the other hand, that’s not much to hang your fandom on. This team has no reason to exist any more.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

FO

rosstrade
Trusted Member
17 days ago

I am an old man, 68 years old, and am not a good example of the possibilities of post-arthroscopic knee surgery recovery.

It’s impossible to say how one recovers from a torn meniscus procedure in the knee.

I was a runner for many years and had an arthroscopic procedure done to remove torn meniscus in my right knee. I thought it was a fairly minor procedure and would allow me to run again.

Unfortunately, the surgeon removed so much tissue I ended up bone on bone and required a partial knee replacement surgery a year and a half later.

Still haven’t been able to run for over 2 years now. But, hoping to start soon.

I am hoping the best for Trout. As he says, when you play the game hard, shit happens.

I think the key to Trout’s recovery is how much meniscal tissue has been torn and needs to be removed. And is there any damaged cartilage that needs to be removed as well. If there is enough tissue remaining after surgery to cushion the space between the bones that connect in the knee, he’ll recover faster and perform fine post-surgery. If a lot of tissue needs to be removed, then he could end up like Lonzo Ball with the Bulls, with constant knee pain that restricts running.

Let’s hope for the best….

MarineLayer
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Unfortunately, history shows Trout doesn’t recover quickly from injuries, which were very different.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  MarineLayer

I’ve already called Ippei’s bookie: I’m going with the “over” on Trout being out 3 months.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
17 days ago

Just in time for the playoff run.

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago

Agree!! There will be “complications” and he might miss the entire season.

Fansince1971
Legend
17 days ago

Looking for the silver (lead) lining….I do enjoy watching the kids play and they seem to be very motivated by their time in the spotlight. There are obviously gaping holes on this team and many of these kids would be the 8th or 9th best prospect in good Orgs and likely still at AA. But I enjoy their spirit.

Last edited 17 days ago by Fansince1971
MarineLayer
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

And yet Minasian keeps adding retreads like Amir and Pillar.

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Pure stupidity by Perry.

2GA2Join
Super Member
17 days ago

I suppose there was an All-Star available for league minimum that you would have preferred to add?

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

We don’t need any stupid moves…play the kids.

2GA2Join
Super Member
17 days ago

I figure that these types of signings are not to block the kids.
They are just for warm body bench guys.

If there are good “kids” that we want to develop, they are better off playing all the time in AAA than riding the bench in MLB. And that is why I assume he signed Amir and Pillar.

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Well, you know what assume means.

2GA2Join
Super Member
17 days ago

Yes. It means we’ll find out.
But that also means that we don’t know it is stupid yet, either.

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

WRONG!!! It means make an ASS out of U and ME.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Bad organizations don’t suddenly become good. Their decision making process is broken and has been for over a decade. Washington Commanders football is a good comp. Nothing is likely to change until all of the current decision makers are purged. They hit a lottery ticket twice with Trout and Ohtani but still managed to blow that opportunity.

smithy610
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

It probably also helps these young player’ ‘psyches that they don’t have to fear getting benched the next day because they got a K the previous AB, etc. For example, aside from his swing, Jo has significantly improved in pitch selections. He doesn’t swing as blindly as he did the last couple of years. Been impressed so far that he’s stayed away from the high stuff. Probably helps to know that even if he Ks on a good pitch, he will most likely play the next day.

Just like what Marsh said about the Phillies – “There’s a process. There’s a plan.”

I hope Moniak also improves with more playing time. Because unless the team signs Juan Soto or some other mid-tier OF (dunno who the FAs are) next year, and it’s not like there’s some budding decent OF prospects soon to be upcoming from the farm, the 2025 OF would be Moniak-Trout-Adell, as I fully expect Ward to be shipped out in the next two months. So this staff might as well give Moniak all the chance in the world to get it right.

MarineLayer
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

I bet Hunter Renfroe is available if Minasian is willing to empty what’s left of our farm system.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

You’re on a roll today. At least we all get to hang out each day even if the baseball is really dark right now.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Marsh alluded to the same confidence of knowing the next bad at bat won’t get him benched.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago

I wish the blowpen game would’ve been today.

Well, we can take the series today.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago

“Oh….the humanity!”

PedroCerrano
Super Member
17 days ago

That loss is on Washington. Horrible call to ask a guy that always sucks in multi inning and back to back games to both of those.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

When Estevez came in for a four out save a shiver went through my very being.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Same for me. Remarked to my wife that they were going to blow this game.

CAoldskoll
Trusted Member
17 days ago

Darkest of Days to be an Angel fan right now. Started in the off season with the losing the best player in baseball; bad but worse when he chose hated team across town. Then Arte being cheap not signing anyone. Perry only singing a broken reliever. Sandy still suks on opening day. Rendone is done again. Middle relief pitchers are horrible. Bad hitting with risp. Trout hurt again. Esteves still unreliable. Pretty soon in last place. The only upside is when you’re on the bottom you can only go up. Question is how long is that going to take?

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

Years I believe

Twebur
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Years Decades I believe. Decades Decades more I believe.

It’s been ten years since our 1 playoff appearance since 2009. Decade and a 1/2 I’d say.

MarineLayer
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

It doesn’t happen until you actually trade assets and start a full rebuild.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

It could be done in a few years. Rendone’s gone in ’27, making his money available before Detmers becomes a free agent in ’28. That makes ’27 the target year. Any player who becomes a free agent before that should be traded – Estevez/Moore/Cimber (’25), Rengifo/Anderson/Canning (’26), Ward/Sandoval (’27). For ’25 and ’26, sign veterans to short contracts to fill the gaps and look to trade the 1-2 best performing at the deadline each year. Draft with an eye toward 27/28.

Sign big names in the ’26 offseason to fill the gaps and make the push in ’27. If it isn’t going well, move Detmers at the deadline and try again in ’28, which is O’Hoppe’s (and Adell’s) last year.

In ’27, the team would be Trout/Adell/Moniak/Schanuel/Neto/O’Hoppe + new 2B/3B/DH (or OF if Trout is DH), Detmers/Silseth + Soriano/Kristofak/Bachman + new pitchers.

Last edited 17 days ago by AnAngelsFan
Roy Hobbs
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I’m not that optimistic. Not saying it can’t be done but significant improvement would require significant investment in 25, 26, and 27 along with some good fortune in the draft and development area. And, as you mention, most of the current players would be gone and the ones that remain would be getting more expensive. You would need at least another outfielder as well as I would not count on Mickey being around or any good and a 1B unless Schanuel becomes something other than what he currently is. From today forward, position player wise, I think the only players you can count on are Trout, Neto, O’Hoppe, Adell, Rengifo, and Ward in the short term. A couple of the additions would need to be costly middle of the order additions. I like these players but you need some impact bats to compliment them along with a couple of starters and a bull pen. You’re faced with the fact that there isn’t much time to draft and develop so you would have to buy them until you have established a productive minor league system which would also require additional investment.

Last edited 17 days ago by Roy Hobbs
Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Agree. Perry will gone after this season and the new guy will get “his” people in place and it begins anew. Until Arte is gone, it’s wash-rinse-repeat.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Yes. The plan requires 1) good fortune with the remaining players, 2) Arte to spend money on veteran free agents that can be traded the next few years and 3) Arte to spend money on quality free agents in ’27.

The biggest hurdle, however, is it requires a change in Arte’s philosophy from trying to be competitive every year to letting the GM sacrifice two years for long-term improvement. If Arte is willing to change that philosophy, then there is no reason not to aim for ’27, with a plan B to shift gears to ’28/’29, as needed.

As long as the Angels don’t destroy the farm again for a long-shot like they did with Othani’s years and remain sellers at the deadline until the team is legitimately pursuing a division title, a rebuild should be able to at least get Trout to the playoffs before he retires.

2GA2Join
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Well, we saw what the Dodgers did when McCourt left, so we know it is possible. We are in pretty much a similar situation right now.

I do believe it depends on having a new owner who radically changes things (or unless Arte suddenly completely changes his ways, which is probably unlikely).

clover_black
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

i find it hard to hate the dodgers anymore.

or sox. or yankees.

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  clover_black

My hate for the dodgers is eternal.

smithy610
Super Member
17 days ago

More extensive article on The Athletic re: Trout’s injury:

It is unclear how long he’ll be out following knee surgery. The optimistic timeline is around eight to 12 weeks. That means a late summer return is in the cards, around his 33rd birthday in early August. But Trout has notably taken a while to recover from his past ailments, meaning nothing is guaranteed.

Four days before this season started, Trout stood outside the visiting clubhouse at Dodger Stadium, smiling as he was asked about becoming “the old Mike Trout” in 2024.

Trout pays attention to what people say about him. Only Trout knows how much he internalizes it all. But he’s aware. Meaning he knows that people believe “the old Mike Trout” is a thing of the past.

The Angels weren’t projected to be good this season. Trout’s status as the best player on one of the worst teams is long-running and unchanging. But this comment came on the eve of Opening Day, when even the lowest of expectations get swept up in the excitement of a clean slate.

“I think a lot of people are writing me off,” Trout said that day, sounding almost excited about it. “I just use it as motivation.”

“I like it,” he added, a little sheepishly. “I like it.”

That quote from Mike sounds Kobe-esque. I know Rendon got a lot of flack, maybe undeservedly, for saying baseball wasn’t a priority for him. But I never questioned Mike’s competitiveness and his will to win, despite his quiet demeanor. If he can exchange his 3 MVPs for 1 WS ring, he would. I never got an I-Can-Still-Win-Some-MVPs-If-I-Continue-Playing Aaron Rodgers vibe from Mike.

Trout envisioned what it would mean to finally win in Anaheim. For all he’s accomplished in his career, team success has been elusive.

When he arrived at spring training, he reaffirmed his loyalty to this franchise. Because, he said, when he wins, it would be sweeter to do it for the team that he’s been with since he was that baby-faced teenager; the team that gave him his first chance.

After Trout talked to the local media, he went back to his chair in the clubhouse. sitting there, alone, until Mickey Moniak came up to chat with him. It will be Moniak who fills in at center for Trout. And just having that conversation, where he gave Moniak encouragement, one can see why Trout values being here. And what value his presence brings, even when he can’t play.

Each of Trout’s injuries have felt inexplicably freakish. The calf tear came running the bases, and never came back. His back injury was a rare condition. His hamate break came on a foul ball. And this seemingly came as he walked back to the dugout in the third inning on Monday night. The real pain didn’t arrive until after the game.

It’s not as though he has a singular chronic issue. They’re all independent of each other, and seemingly haven’t impacted him beyond the duration of their individual recoveries.

So I was wrong. It seems a torn meniscus is something you feel immediately, not something that will nag you until you can’t take it anymore. And if he really got it while jogging to the dugout at the 3rd inning?! What fucking (May) freak show is that?! This reminds me of Rengifo tearing up his bicep muscle while warming up on the on-circle deck last year.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  smithy610

He got injured this time simply by doing normal baseball activities. It’s not like he got hit by a pitch or ran into a wall. He moved his legs and tore the meniscus. He hurt his calf in a similar way.

I do think it’s fair game to compare the “old” Mike to the current Mike. He’s not the same athlete. His career is moving towards not what he’s done on the field but the amount of time he’s spent off the field.

MarineLayer
Super Member
17 days ago

I think old Trout will eventually become a low average, strikeout or home run DH.

toad2065
Member
17 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

So he will become Schwarber? 😂 

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

FWIW I just found out I have a meniscus tear and there was no injury or traumatic event. Its possible I just had some wear and tear over the years or some genetic predisposition and it finally started showing weird symptoms.

What Trout described is awfully similar to mine. Nothing crazy or scary, just a weird new feeling that progressed a little bit to the point I got an MRI.

I suspect Trout’s is the same. Its probably been a minor tear for a while. perhaps even years but you don’t get MRIs when there are no symptoms.

Last edited 17 days ago by ihearhowie3.0
halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Get better!!

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
17 days ago

Thanks! Luckily I dont have to run down baseballs so it should be a less stressful recovery

smithy610
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Thanks for that POV. I hope you’re feeling better.

If indeed he’s had it for awhile, and it finally reached a breaking point, I imagine all that running didn’t help. But don’t these guys get regular physicals as part of being a professional baseball player? If the tear has been there for awhile, how can it be missed all this time?

Pineapple12
Super Member
17 days ago

Luis Rengifo

.313 BA / .360 OBP / ..458 SLG
131 OPS+
9/9 SB
0.8 WAR

The rest of the season is about 👑 Luis! I encourage everyone to hop on the bandwagon.

Fuck (May) you, Carlos Estevez 🙂

smithy610
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s me. I jinxed the bullpen yesterday when I said Wash’s best bullpen arms are the trio of Cimber-Moore-Estevez.

Is this because Estevez had 26 pitches the night before? It didn’t seem too much to me. But maybe it’s true, as much as Maddux pitchers won’t flourish in this baseball generation anymore, maybe the rubber arm Scot Shields and K-Rod types are also pitchers of the yesteryears.

MarineLayer
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Estevez is historically terrible as a more than one inning, back to back days reliever. As a manager, I think Washington may be a good fielding coach/motivational speaker. However, I’m getting weary of his poor use of the admittedly weak blow pen.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Yeah time to get key-party experimental with the bullpen. Ben Joyce!

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

If the Angels play their cards right, Luis Rengifo will win a WS ring with another team this year.

Pineapple12
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Why don’t we trade Adell and Detmers too, and rob me of any last drop of joy ?

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Because they aren’t free agents after next year.

I’m not saying trade Rengifo because I don’t like him. If he’s traded, I’ll root for him to get that ring. Rengifo is at peak value right now and the Angels are unlikely to win with him this year or next, so the way he can help the Angels the most is by bringing back some prospects.

Last edited 17 days ago by AnAngelsFan
Pineapple12
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I understood, I was just kidding lol

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

Don’t say that crap out loud,

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