LA Angels Tuesday News Crash:

What’s up with all these mid afternoon games? Let’s get them out of our system I guess. The upcoming Angels-Red Sox series is supposedly intriguing. The apparent reason given is that neither of these teams can afford to lose any more games than they have to. After that rough series, the Angels get a number 25 power ranking to start off the regular season. The “new-look bullpen” got a shoutout, but not in a good way.

Ha ha ha! Kike Hernandez turned up his pitch com device during an in game interview so all the ESPN listeners could hear each pitch being tipped in the live broadcast. This went on for a full half inning. It looks like Dinelson Lamet is making it back up to the bigs.

Everyone is doing it. There was a bench clearing incident over the weekend between the Blue Jays and Rays. Jose Caballero tried to reach third on a bunt plus a Justin Turner throwing error only to be thrown out by a mile. Instead of sliding, he stayed on his feet and bumped into Genesis Cabrera who had been backing up third base. Cabrera took exception and gave Caballero a shove. Suspension incoming.

Round and round Julio Teheran goes. Where he stops, nobody knows. It’s because Tylor Megill is injured.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Mia
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Mia
11 days ago

My dad always told me if I don’t have anything nice to say I shouldn’t say anything at all.

So i’m gonna stay silent on that lineup.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Mia

We promise not to tell Wash on you.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
11 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Until further notice I’ll rate Wash above Nevin

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
11 days ago

That’s fair, Nevin had no idea what he was doing. Wash is just real old school, except that even Earl Weaver understood platoon differential. There have been some really good mostly LH hitters who did not hit same handed pitching very well. Fred Lynn had a big drop off against LH pitching. Don Baylor absolutely destroyed LH Pitching.

Last edited 11 days ago by Roy Hobbs
Mia
Legend
Mia
11 days ago

Oh he’s definitely above Nevin, Ausmus, and maybe even with Joe?

These are minor nitpicks in June, but when you only have 4 games to go off of things get amplified.

RexFregosi
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Mia

If other managers managed the opening 4 games

Nevin 0-4
Ausmus 1-3
Maddon 1-3
Sosh 2-2

fwiw, Nevin had a good interview today on mlbtv. Nice dude, great career, middling manager. I hope he gets another chance and likely will be back. And now he just gets to watch his two sons journey to MLB – not bad.

bon voyage Phillip

Last edited 11 days ago by RexFregosi
Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

No complaints about Phil as a person. He’s a very nice man, just wasn’t a very good manager.

BannedInLA
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Seems like a solid dude to have a pint or three with.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 days ago

What about Brad Ausmus?

LanaBanana
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Mia

I mean, really, who wants to win. It’s like Little League. Everyone plays and bats in different positions.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

What about the ice cream? When I was playing growing up, we had a local carnation place that we went to after games even when I was 13 and 14. What a great memory walking around in your socks with you stirrups un hooked off your heels eating ice cream. Nothing better!

Mia
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Mia
11 days ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

Participation trophies for everyone!

BannedInLA
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Don’t forget the 6th Place Medals.

Mia
Legend
Mia
11 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

And then they still get to go out for pizza after.

Absolute sham.

BannedInLA
Super Member
11 days ago

Rengifo sitting is a big time head scratcher.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
11 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Washington is really into something Rengifo lacks-fielding, might have something to do with it.

BannedInLA
Super Member
11 days ago

That’s the only explanation that makes sense.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
11 days ago

I take it that “mid-afternoon game” comment is a joke ’cause we know it really is just a night game back there.

When I moved from New Jersey to California I loved it that I could wake up at 10 am (I was younger and didn’t care about sleeping late…I might have been partying the night before) and a ballgame was starting.

FungoAle
Super Member
11 days ago

Mets on WOR were great for 10:00am games with Ralph Kiner and Bob Murphy doing play-by-play. Or the Braves. The Superstations were great along with WGN and TBS. Always had baseball games on. Then, ESPN polluted everything…

DowningDude
Legend
11 days ago

I hear Rendon is just about to turn a corner.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

In front of a high speed bus?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Yes, no habla “Stop” sign.

DowningDude
Legend
11 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

“Senor butt-rendon, como es Juan?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80WvIF78NRw

Pineapple12
Super Member
11 days ago

Rengifo has produced 4.3 WAR in the last 2 seasons for us. Mickey produced 2 WAR last season. Adell has all the talent in the world and has no options left.

What the heck are we doing fooling around with Hicks and Sano.

Wash -100 WAR

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

AND Rendon. He hasn’t earned everyday at bats. Sunk cost is sunk cost.

Pineapple12
Super Member
11 days ago

Rendone has the big contract, so until we DFA him he’s gonna start.

Playing Hicks and Sano is complete malpractice.

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I Get all that. Don’t agree with it though. Play the best players. ESPECIALLY If you are pretending to try and win.

JackFrost
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Especially today batting Hicks 2nd. He is not great as a RH hitter and Lizardo (sic)is pitching. No way in hell he should be starting AND batting 2nd. That coupled with Rendone leading off YET AGAIN qualifies Wash for involuntary hospitalization…

FungoAle
Super Member
11 days ago

Fully anticipate Washington giving Rendon a long look in the line-up. 4-games or 40-games is not enough. Rendon was one of his special spring students.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Ha! So we can agree Wash is somewhere between +15 WAR and -100 WAR. I’m leaning towards zero but that is just my belief that a field manager does not make that much of a difference.

FungoAle
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Managers make a difference, slapping a WAR on their head does not

Cowboy26
Legend
11 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’m leaning toward none of us being able to prove anything.

Pineapple12
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I can prove Rengifo, Mickey and Adell deserve more playing time than the 3 stooges

Angelz4ever
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

So we cut Sano, who replaces him?

Soto? He needs to hit everyday.

Maybe our 2B next year.

Last edited 11 days ago by Angelz4ever
Eric_in_Portland
Legend
11 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Sano’s as good as Perry was gonna get with that budget

FungoAle
Super Member
11 days ago

…and we all (?) cheered when Hicks (signed for $.75M) was spraying base hits all over the ballfield.

Angels2020Champs
Legend
11 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Checks and balances on CtPG

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Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

And we still would be if he was doing that

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

You know how this works. One of these guys will do something good tonight to justify another week of games and shitty play.

bobblanton
Trusted Member
11 days ago

Sano Hicks and Rendon in the same lineup. Ouch.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Yep just saw it

Rendon
Hicks
Trout (in CF)
Ward
Drury
Sano (DH)
Scanuel
O’Hoppe
Neto

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

No Jo against a lefty

FungoAle
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Head scratcher

Cowboy26
Legend
11 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Actually Jo hits RHP’s better but he still needs to play. especially with the quality at bats I’m seeing from him this year. But no Rengifo is the most perplexing thing to me. Papa Smurf has destroyed Lefties these last 2 years. Wash needed to figure a way to get him in this lineup even in Schaunny has to sit for a game or two.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

An unfortunate truth about Jo even though he’s right handed. He’s his own worst enemy.

jco
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jco
11 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Adell has career OPS of .634 vs LHP. It’s .624 vs RHP. He’s basically the same value against both. (Higher OBP v RHP, higher Slg vs LHP).

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Man Wash you are really trying to make me not like you bro! Its so hard to do but I’ll do it if you keep this up

Pineapple12
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

DISGUSTING

Wash preaches speed, but benches Adell, Rengifo, Moniak. Not even considering that those 3 are better overall players at this point than Rendone, Hicks, Sano.

Wtf man

KingsHalos10
Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

So trout batting lead off w 2 outs.
If Rendon is in, swap him with Schanuel.
And anyone else in the 2 spot besides Hicks.

clover_black
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Rendon looked pretty good at the plate yesterday. Not a fan @ leadoff.

bobblanton
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  clover_black

Yeah I think he is due for a couple hits but is it today?

Fansince1971
Legend
11 days ago
Reply to  clover_black

0-4 – bank on it

Angelz4ever
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’ll say Rendon gets a hit or two today, provided he doesn’t spontaneously explode during the game and miss an AB.

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Sounds like a bet to me. Beers?

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
11 days ago

It’s worth it to have a beer whether he gets a hit or not.

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I’m trying facilitate CTPG human interaction. It appears to me if Rendone goes 0-4 owes some liquid gold and conversely a knock from Tony no bags gets the brew of his choice from 71. Shake on it!

Last edited 11 days ago by Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  clover_black

Hahaha THE BAR is so low for him right now. We are overvaluing a patient at bat and a high exit velo out. He’s not good. Results are going to be bad. Eroding skills + eroding care factor are never a recipe for success.

Jimmuscomp
Trusted Member
11 days ago

With Luzardo on the mound this is where you start Sanó at first, Rengifo at 3rd, Adell in right. Maybe have Ward DH, let Hicks play LF.

This isn’t hard. If I can figure this out on the toilet, Wash should be able to from the clubhouse.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Jimmuscomp

“Should” is the key word here. I would be fascinating to have a real private conversation with Wash to understand whether things are his problem or not.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
11 days ago

Schanuel WAR: .1
Rest of 2023 draft class: 0
But in all seriousness… truly impressive how he’s adapted his approach to suit the 3-spot/2-spot. Harder contact, perhaps with fewer singles/walks. Still not sure about his overall ceiling, but his bat skills and strike-zone judgment proving themselves daily.

FungoAle
Super Member
11 days ago

I’m still waiting for the power to be developed but his ability to work pitcher counts is welcomed

Mia
Legend
Mia
11 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I’m hopeful, and same with Neto, that the power will come more consistently as their bodies mature They are just both so young.

Last edited 11 days ago by Mia
Pineapple12
Super Member
12 days ago

3B Rengifo
1B Schanuel
CF Trout
LF Ward
2B Drury
DH Adell
C O’Hoppe
RF Moniak
SS Neto

This is our best lineup. Time to lock it in, Wash.

Today’s pitching matchup certainly favors the Marlins. Anderson has to keep us in it so we can beat up on their bullpen late.

Rendone is 0/15 sporting a -80 OPS 😂😂😂😂😂😂

angelslogic
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I’m just about ready to boycott the season unless Ren-over-done is benched or cut from the team. What a piece of garbage he is.

Pineapple12
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Here are the longest hitless streaks in MLB history (ABs, not PAs):

Chris Davis, 2018-19: 0 for 54
Eugenio Velez, 2010-11: 0 for 46
Bill Bergen, 1909: 0 for 45
Dave Campbell, 1973: 0 for 45
Craig Counsell, 2011: 0 for 45

Let’s make history !!!

JackFrost
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

How long will we keep trotting Rendone out there as the leadoff hitter ?

Let’s say we reach the end of next week and he’s 3 for 32 or something like that ? Or we reach mid April and he’s like 5 hits in 60 AB’s ?? Will Wash keep doing it ? It would be interesting to see … but I’d rather not see it.

Bench his ass. He can be the highest paid pinch-hitter in MLB history.

Last edited 11 days ago by JackFrost
ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Get to 0/20 first and crush his soul. Maybe he considers quitting, maybe he actually gets better from the humiliation.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

But But he likes batting leadoff.

JackFrost
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

 😆 

Angelz4ever
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Rendon habla lead-off?

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I’m with you, but realistically, it’s only been 4 games, and they won 2 of them. Because this is Perry’s last year and we have no idea of Arte’s intentions, Rendon may be eventually dropped in the order but I could see him playing as long as he’s able this year even if he continues to do next to nothing. He has the advantage of the Angels not having a true lead off hitter or a legitimate replacement at 3B unless you play Rengifo there. Even if they didn’t want to spend money this year, not having a legitimate replacement for either 3B or SS is inexcusable.

Last edited 11 days ago by Roy Hobbs
SchofieldsWalkoff
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

 this is Perry’s last year 

Based on?

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
11 days ago

His contract.

An extension is probably likely though since nobody else would really do anything differently in the role. Feels clear from offseason buzz that what Arte says goes so GMs are just empty suits.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

I’m fine with this year if it’s being used for evaluation and planning, but if this is the new paradigm, It will be difficult to keep people interested. I totally understand your statement but I don’t really care to see anymore of Perry. At least find someone who can draft and develop talent.

FungoAle
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

I think there will be mutual desire to separate. I can see both sides to move on. If Perry feels restricted, why stay and let your resume decay further.

Personally, I’m very ready for change. I said this in 2020.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I had the thought last night of the same thing we did to Fletcher, but I’d have to look at the details if its allowed. Can we put him on waivers, pass, then assign him to AAA? From there, if I remember, if he declines, does he then forfeit his salary and become a FA? So the Angels keep trotting him out there first to show the players union that this guy isn’t very good and needs time in the minors to figure it out.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

If this is for Adell, he’ll never clear waivers. Once claimed by someone else, even if waived again, he’ll never make his way back to the Halos.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

He was referring to Rendon but it only applies for players with less than 5 years of service I believe.

Last edited 11 days ago by Roy Hobbs
steelgolf
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

A highest paid pinch hitter who can’t hit!

Fleckstein
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Pinch wave-stick-at-ball-in-useless-way

Angelstan
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

If Luzardo is pitching, I don’t want to see Schanuel hitting second and Moniak is likely on the bench.

Pineapple12
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Totally understand that POV. If we don’t give them (mostly Mickey) reps against LHP now they will never get the reps.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

They can when we’re up big or down big.

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Agreed. This is our best lineup and dammit could actually be a competitive ballclub with some decent starting pitching and pen work. With Hicks , Sano and Rendone as veteran depth.

halofansince1978
Super Member
12 days ago

We Won…again!!

https://youtu.be/MLCLMEYp9s0

Twebur
Legend
11 days ago

I didn’t know Sano was in that movie?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

AHAHA, he had a great locker.

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