LA Angeles Wednesday News Crash: Snell ya later?

Good morning Angels fans. Have some links.

Angels News

Finished your Christmas shopping yet? Christmas is Monday. Perry seems to still have no idea what to get Arte, with the latest look at his wish list being Blake Snell? We need length, innings! Not the most notorious 5 inning man in baseball!

Now Stroman makes more sense. Don’t know if I would get him, but, well, uh, maybe Arte won’t like this one after all…

Well, We still have a budget left and still haven’t chosen a SP. Kinda look bad compared to the other teams…

Around Baseball

Jeter Downs was claimed by the MFY. Seriously, why did the Nats let that happen, now he will finally be fixed!

Baltimore will keep their orange birds for another 30 years, as Camden Yards get their lease renewed. But changes will be made, as they are looking to mess with the upper deck seats.

Ketel Marte apparently participates in Cock Fighting in the DR. Look, even if it is legal there, WHY POST IT?!

The top 12 for the WBSC is shaping up. Premiere 12 Tournament is in a Year (NOV 2024) so, getting in the Top 12 is going to be competitive.

Pirates get Martin Perez. Oh and Mccutchen is back with them as well. How are the Pirates outcompeting us?!

There isn’t much else besides speculation on Yamamoto, so, how about a game? Can you guess who these Top 7 Centerfielders are in the last 40 years by FWAR?

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes!

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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AHR GNAR MAH MANZBALLZ! JERK MARI…. FKN SPELLAR HARD! AH HADE IM! AH MISS ERSTY. WANA TASTE HEEM! PERRY ARE STUPIDZ AH HATE! MEMBER MARIZ DID THE CRASH INA GUY! I SO MAD! BOOO! MAH BALLZ HEAT ARP!

Please. Let the winter of nothing continue Perry. Stay the course. Play the kids. Hell, even watching who complains about your “be aggressive” comment because it makes their smooth brain ache and cry is useful because it gives us a clear indication of the people on this site who ate paste as kids.

Keep up the good work big man. You sexy!

Last edited 3 months ago by gitchogritchoffmypettis
DowningDude
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3 months ago

2035!!!

clover_black
Super Member
3 months ago

Imagine thinking Perry has any agency lmfao

Jeff Joiner
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3 months ago

And this is why the Angels are the Angels and not a winner.

For the same guy the Angels traded for two months of Eduardo Escobar the Mets got cost controlled fifth starter and a rotational outfield piece.

Houser fits the ground ball pitcher profile and Taylor can cover all three outfield spots, which is critical when Ward is coming off serious injury and Trout keeps getting hurt.

Add a guy like Houser, keep Silseth in AAA as depth, maybe sign an guy like Snell and flip Sandy or Canning for another useful piece.

Nah, we’ll just hang tight and sign JD Martinez.

2GA2Join
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

It is worse!

Not really the “same guy” even… when we traded him, he was fine.

But when the Mets traded him and got what they got, Crow had just had TJS in August!

FungoAle
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

…and yet, Perry still is employed. I really think he is in over his head. He has the buzz words down though.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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3 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I understand and agree with the point, especially as it relates to Perry. However this trade was a salary dump by the Brewers – saves them $7.3M in 2024. It’s gravy if Crow amounts to anything in 2025.

The Mets made this deal even though they are at the competitive tax threshold for 2024. We could have got the same “gift” from the Brewers if ownership was willing to take on the salary. However we shed salary (and 1st round picks).

SchofieldsWalkoff
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3 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I don’t get this gripe
Angels needed a piece to fill in after Urshela went down and it cost them a pitcher that hadn’t thrown a pitch since April 26 2023 due to elbow inflammation and likely headed to surgery.

Last edited 3 months ago by SchofieldsWalkoff
ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I think at the time it was known that Cohen was eating all the Mets salaries to get anything useful in return.

Had the Angels been willing to take back all of Escobar’s salary, they could have kept Crow. They decided a few million wasn’t worth a prospect…which should tell you all you need to know about any “rebuild” fantasies around here.

SchofieldsWalkoff
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

It was reports at the time that Cohen was intentional eating cash to get parts back into their system and perhaps there was no trade without the pitchers being included but Perry was able to get the Mets to cover all of Escobars salary.

2GA2Join
Super Member
3 months ago

Mets just turned Coleman Crow into a 4th starter and a backup outfielder…

Angelz4ever
Super Member
3 months ago

Jake Marisnick was a good signing, about four years ago.

Heavy sigh…..

2002heaven
Trusted Member
3 months ago

Sandoval still has a cult following
Never had a winning record and can’t win a important game.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

C’mon it’s almost 2024. You don’t need to actually accomplish anything in order to be famous. You can just be famous for being famous!  😂 

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

I think Zsa Zsa Gabor invented it.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Zsa Zsa did slap a cop that had a foot in height and over 100 pounds on her.

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

And she did three days of hard time.

BannedInLA
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Which is the 3 days more than the smash & grabbers in California.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
3 months ago

Remember when Perry was carrying on to the press about all the alternative and back up plans they had like A, B, C etc. Apparently Shohei must have been included in every one of them because they seem unable to move forward at this point. I wouldn’t be shocked if Artie told Perry to get someone who can sell tickets no matter who you trade except for Trout. Perhaps Perry has been unsuccessfully working trades. I can’t believe Artie want’s to go into the season with the team as constructed.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

the market is being help up by the top pitcher…. it’ll be ok

2GA2Join
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Indeed…
A lot of people are really piling it on Perry and Arte on this site because they haven’t done anything yet this offseason, but then hardly any team has, except for a couple of big moves and a few minor ones.
People can have whatever opinion of the two of them for lots of other reasons… but I wouldn’t include the lack of movement this offseason as one of them.
If we get to March and all the free agents are signed and we still haven’t done anything, then that’s the time to react.

Last edited 3 months ago by 2GA2Join
Eric_in_Portland
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3 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

no, then it’ll be too late. We must react now!

DowningDude
Legend
3 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I pile it on them because they suck. Nothing to do with no moves.

FungoAle
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

What FAs out there do we think will stimulate the fanbase?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
3 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Ohtani?

red floyd
Legend
3 months ago

Sorry, the Jawas moved away.

Roy Hobbs
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3 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

None. I think Artie’s toast. There’s no one to sign and they have no one to really trade.

Last edited 3 months ago by Roy Hobbs
Angelz4ever
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Minasian is currently on plan L right now and M pretty soon…..

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

M for Minasian. Maybe he is about to kick it into overdrive.

FungoAle
Super Member
3 months ago

The Snell rumor thing is just absurd. 1. He rejected a QO which would mean for the 3rd straight year, Perry gives up a compensation draft pick. Having a dead last farm system would make signing Snell a head shaker. 2. Angels are not over taking Seattle-Astros-Rangers with this roster so why even go there. 3. Why would a guy like Snell even choose the Angels which would force an overpay, no thanks. 4. Snell’s age and ability to stay in the game and throw innings.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle
  1. the Angels have a comp pick themselves, so the sting is less
  2. what have the other 3 teams done? Rangers wont have Degrom or Scherzer for most of the year. Seattle has no offense and are cutting payroll. Astros are still solid, but that core is getting older
  3. he wants to play on the West coast. It’s basically us or the Giants.
  4. I don’t disagree with this one
matthiasstephan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  cookmeister

There were rumors they were shopping Framber too. They are going to have a budget crisis soon, if not already.

FungoAle
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  cookmeister

I have retorts to all but I’ll focus on No.2. True, thus far those teams have not made major moves this offseason but all of them have better run organizations and superior farms to which to maneuver from. Seattle might drift back a bit but not likely to end sub.500 with that pitching staff.

SchofieldsWalkoff
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Astros are on the verge of becoming Angels. Owner is involved with day to day personal moves and have the 30 ranked farm system.

Cowboy26
Legend
3 months ago

Jim Crane is even bigger asshole than Arte ( if thats even possible) His companies have been engaged in a rash of EE violations and Federal contract price gouging among other stuff. But Bud and the boys were so excited to get his money that let him into the club with no questions asked.

When he bought the Astros he had massive layoffs including ticket office and other non baseball employees that had been there for years. Not Luhnow is a victim but I’m convinced he has encouraged the culture of cheating and disrespect including misogyny against female reporters that has permeated that franchise since his purchase. Howhe has been able to somehow avoid any blame or responsibility is beyond me.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  cookmeister

#6-Yeah, what cookmeister said….

PedroCerrano
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Do you make the playoffs by signing Snell? NO

Do you shorten the amount of time before you become relevant again? NO

Does his signing help build your woeful farm system? No, it detracts from that effort

Will Arte sell a few more tickets to a hopium addicted myoptic fanbase? Probably

What is the only logical assumption based on this criteria?

Last edited 3 months ago by PedroCerrano
matthiasstephan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Is any one player going to equal making the playoffs? NO

Does signing a Cy Young quality pitcher improve the rotation substantially? YES

Is Pedro’s criteria the only (or more) relevant criteria? Doubtful

PedroCerrano
Super Member
3 months ago

Rough neighborhoods while growing up resulted in me being jaded. When everyone around you is seemingly lying you don’t look at what they say. You instead look at their motivations and what they actually do.

IMHO this move would be another in a long series of window dressing moves to appease a fanbase without significantly increasing the odds of a playoff appearance. Signing Snell has way more exposure than it provides in upside. A Rendone type experience is way more likely than a Vlad Guerrero type signing in this case. Snell has all kinds of leverage in this case and whoever gets him will likely overpay in both years and dollars.

They can sign him but does he bring the Angels more in return than your departed MVP in Ohtani who just lead the team to a 73 win season? They are more than a player or two away from relevance.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Well, I didn’t argue that Snell is enough. Just that he helps with pitching (which we need, desperately). He is A piece, but a potentially good one.

But sure, we need more pieces. I do think injuries, plus the end of the year firesale, pushed us more torwards the 73 wins than we would have had in other circumstances. Essentially, I think we are already better than the 2023 record, and Snell helps us improve.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
3 months ago

I get it, I don’t know if I’m as hopeful as you but do understand your point. Thinking about this does make me question how much time I will invest going forward as it’s harder and harder to suspend my disbelief. I’ve already voted with my wallet to shut off my dollars going into Arte’s war chest as a protest.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
3 months ago

Ran into a long time HH member yeti juice in a vintage baseball fb group, I hope he posts here soon if he hasn’t yet

DowningDude
Legend
3 months ago

NO WAY! Awesome!

I always remember him waxing poetic about Roy Oswalt whilst hiking the Himalayas barefoot out of Kathmandu.

He inspired me to keep an excel spreadsheet of every game I’ve attended.

Pineapple12
Super Member
3 months ago

Chase Silseth should be in the rotation to start next season.

He may be special. He may not be special. He’s probably somewhere in between.

1. Detmers
2. Sandy
3. Canning
4. Anderson 🤮
5. Silseth

Punt this season away and let’s focus on development > wins.

FungoAle
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I own stock in Silseth, think he could be a no.3 on this list. If a nice swing trade involving Canning pops up, I would recommend to explore before regression sets in. We are stuck with Anderson.

Pineapple12
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Canning has 2 seasons left under club control. I can be convinced to trade him away, depending on the return package.

FWIW, he is one of my breakout candidates for 2024. I am much higher on Detmers, Sandoval, Silseth and Canning than the consensus.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Time will tell but I like what I’ve seen as well.

DowningDude
Legend
3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Dude. I tried the hopium but I’ve pretty much mentally punted on the next 10 years. Ridding ourselves of Ohtani made the team nearly unwatchable (i’ll still attend) but it accelerated our slim chances at a title by 5 years by my non-scientific estimates.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude
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Pineapple12
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I feel you DD.

I’ll always find the positives with the Angels no matter what. It’s an illness.

DowningDude
Legend
3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

You are buttercup

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
3 months ago

I expect a big announcement today or tomorrow. Something like we are picking up a new bullpen catcher or picking up a new batboy on road trips to Arlington.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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3 months ago

My sources deep within the Angels organization have shared off the record that they are switching long distance phone services.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
3 months ago

I also heard that in 15 min they saved saved 15% or more on their car insurance by switching to Geico

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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3 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Ugh. He’s not even AAA depth.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
3 months ago

He’s a glove only corner OF. He’s 33 and prob just an insurance plan for depth when Adell gets traded at the end of spring training

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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3 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

..but he’s the best available? The guy hasn’t hit his weight in 2 years!

Cowboy26
Legend
3 months ago

He’s an asshole version of Brett Phillips.

At least Perry didn’t sign him to a Major League deal.

Last edited 3 months ago by Cowboy26
BannedInLA
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Adell will be traded for what? Discount coupons st the Golden Corral?

Pineapple12
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

The disrespect to Jo will not be tolerated

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I wonder how much of Marisnick’s salary Arte deferred?

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
3 months ago

Hopefully, it’s at least a split contract.

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

He’s not devoid of trade value. He’s just not going to knock anybody’s socks off.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Roberto Baldoquin – straight up.

BannedInLA
Super Member
3 months ago

Dallas McPherson wasn’t available?

FungoAle
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Let’s give him 500+ ABs. The worse thing that could happen is that we give the As a run for the money on who stinks the most.

BannedInLA
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Might as well hold his stock and see if it recovers long term.

His value is negligible at this stage.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Glove only corner OF? He’s predominately been a CF every year of his career, including last year.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

He is this year’s Brett Philips.

BannedInLA
Super Member
3 months ago

So he gets about 50 plate appearances before getting clipped.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

I think we just picked up .000001 in WAR. Keep chipping away boys.

steelgolf
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Yeah, that’s right, take THAT , American League West!!!! Now whatcha gonna do?

tanana40
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Marisnick is most known around here for this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z00zjTdCx4

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

They signed the a-hole from the Trashtros that deliberately injured Lucroy with an illegal shoulder tackle at home plate?

Even if he was the best hitter in baseball, I’d rather the Angels finish below .500 than win a WS with him on the team.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Sigh, I guess I need to temper my opinion. Marisnick actually apologized for the sign-stealing scandal and he took a retaliation pitch for the Lucroy pitch without complaint, including going so far as sending his own team to back to the dugout.

He’s still not someone I want to be a role model for my kids, but at least he owns up to his mistakes.

DowningDude
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3 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

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DowningDude
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3 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I created this gif during the game in which the collision occurred!

https://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2019/B07070HOU2019.htm

Last edited 3 months ago by DowningDude
FungoAle
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Good with picking up an OF makes sense, especially after Perry trades Mickey “I know I’m fine” Moniak. But Marisnick? This team really needs speed. A Harrison Bader/Travis Jankowski/Michael Taylor would help there.

Angels need to get more athletic. No more slow white guys…Renfroe, Moose, Drury, Cron, Grichuk types. Perry is lousy at roster building IMO.

red floyd
Legend
3 months ago

Top 7 CF link is the Cutch to Pittsburgh story.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
3 months ago

I’m not huge on the idea of overpaying for Snell. But I don’t think Stroman is even a comparison. Snell is a legitimate guy that has pitched consistently well during his career and — for the most part been healthy. He just won the Cy and won it before. Stroman is someone that has been hurt a lot, isn’t reliable, and is more of a wildcard. Has he pitched well at times, sure. So had Giolito. Can anyone count on him being an Ace if they bring him in? No. He might be decent, he might be hurt, he might just not pitch well.

The major rub with Snell is he pitched too well last year and thus someone needs to break the bank to get him. I was hoping midyear for just a decent season from him and a lesser contact. Nope.

We will see what happens. Angels aren’t likely to win a bidding war.

Omahalo22
Member
3 months ago

As long as there are fans in the stands none of this matters because at the end of the day it’s all about receipts. Thank you for reading.

Last edited 3 months ago by Omahalo22
Brent
Super Member
3 months ago

What happens first:

Playoff appearance
New Stadium announcement
Arte sells the team

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
3 months ago
Reply to  Brent

New Stadium announcement

red floyd
Legend
3 months ago

Is that

  • (New Stadium) announcement as in “We’re building a new stadium”, or
  • New (Stadium announcement) as in “Here’s an update on the pictures on our stadium!”

I vote for the second.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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3 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

I was thinking an updated artist rendition by a toddler version from pictures that were made before the FBI sting involving the Anaheim mayor.

RexFregosi
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Brent

New stadium announcement, easily.

Arte won’t sell so forget that one.

My 63 yr old hopium supply is out so no playoff appearances are in site but it is possible in 3 years

DowningDude
Legend
3 months ago
Reply to  Brent

New Stadium Announcement – 2030
Playoff Appearance – 2035
Arte sells the team – 2036

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
3 months ago

I wonder how good Arte’s analytics team is at predicting the tsunami drop in revenues that are coming this year.

Omahalo22
Member
3 months ago

It will be a gut punch for Arte. He’ll tighten the purse strings a little more…. If that’s even possible.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Omahalo22

I hope the franchise valuation drops enough that he panic sells.

DowningDude
Legend
3 months ago

hire a few interns to figure it all out.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
3 months ago

The vibes I get are that Snell would look a lot like Kazmir did here and may have the make-up/attitude of Rendon when things eventually go off the rails.

For Christs sake take a fraction of this money and spend it on poaching premium scouts and front office brains. Produce your own Blake Snells.

Cowboy26
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3 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

For Christ sakes do all of the above. We ain’t the Pirates.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
3 months ago

Good morning, CtPG posters, I agree that the Angels are slow moving in acquiring some more help but, could this mean that we go with what we got? If so, this is a good thing, watching the system develop players if the system has the players But the system is broken, now what?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
3 months ago

When it’s fourth and long, the smart move is to punt (i.e. “rebuild”). However, we’ve proven over the years not to be smart. So, the approach likely will be to sign older players looking to rebound and will accept a one-year deal.

Ownership keeps its gold and Perry can declare he’s trying. Wash-rinse-repeat.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
3 months ago

In the Angels current position, signing veterans to one (or two) year deals would be the best way to start a rebuild, as long as those players are traded to contenders at the deadline.

Trout/Rendon cost too much compared to their projected value to be worth trading and the rest of the team is young enough they can be a part of the rebuild.

With an eye toward ’26, the only trade pieces the Angels have are Drury and Rengifo. They should look to sign veterans that can be traded. It’s a good deal for the veteran too, plenty of playing time to show off your skills followed by a chance to play for a contender.

BannedInLA
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Precisely. The “youth movement” has already commenced. At least half of our likely starters this season will be comprised of “kids”.

Any FA signings, wether big ticket or one year rentals, will be to round out the roster.

Last edited 3 months ago by BannedInLA
matthiasstephan
Super Member
3 months ago

Snell averaged 5 2/3 innings per game over the entire last season, and down the stretch (August/September) only had one start with 5 innings, with all the rest at 6 or 7.

Even last season he averaged more than 5.

That doesn’t mean we should sign Snell, but that is a bit of a poor reputation for him.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
3 months ago

…but we’ve signed Guerrero, Garcia, Cimber, and Snelten to rescue the bullpen?

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
3 months ago

I agree. I’ve watched Snell pitch a lot, as I’ve been enamored by his stuff. I think he goes too deep because he actually has good command. What? He picks around too much and uses his “stuff” to get out of jams. The only way I’d personally take him, in my opinion the Angels care nothing about, is if we had serious talks about hitting some bats and trying to go deeper in games.