LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Showalter The Money

Buck Showalter is interested in being the Angels field manager and the Angels are interested in Buck Showalter. Will Arte offer enough money for Showalter? Only time will tell. Kevin Cash doesn’t want to leave Tampa Bay.

Shohei Ohtani is among the finalists for the Hank Aaron Award.

The IOC is considering baseball for the 2028 Olympics in Los Angeles (and also flag football).

I guess you have to take the good with the bad. Fangraphs gives Craig Counsell an A- for how he handled pitching in the Wild Card round. He got a D for his offensive decisions. The Astros are shedding some of their front office types even as they compete in the playoffs.  Specifically they got rid of Assistant General Manager Bill Firkus and Farm Director Sara Goodrum. The Red Sox fired their pitching coach Dave Bush.

Felix Bautista had his Tommy John surgery.

Grades get handed out for this season’s big rule changes. I like this sentence:  “It’s as if people are drawn to forms of entertainment that don’t threaten to waste their time.” Go figure!

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Twebur
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7 months ago

Rintaro Sasaki, Japan’s top high school prospect, will forgo NPB and instead play college baseball in the U.S.
https://sports.yahoo.com/rintaro-sasaki-japans-top-high-school-prospect-will-forgo-npb-and-instead-play-college-baseball-in-the-us-213355872.html

Eric_in_Portland
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7 months ago

Garvey running for the Senate seat. So that’s another Dodger loss in the early round

Twebur
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7 months ago

Ha😀!

$300 million worth of payroll.
$300 million worth of campaign contributions.

And they both will come up short.

JackFrost
Super Member
7 months ago

 😂 

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago

Trout isn’t the only one who struggles in big moments. The annointed Doyer does too.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2023-10-10/dodgers-mookie-betts-struggles-nlds-diamondbacks

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Is he available?

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Trout isn’t the only one who struggles in big moments.

What big moments is he talking about? I don’t remember Tr’out being in any “big moments”.

Simba
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

KC playoff series.

clover_black
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Trout just avoids those situations all together.

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I seem to recall Mookie having some HUGE postseason moments as well.

Shrug

Fansince1971
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7 months ago

The picture for these links looks like Rendon dressed as Super Mario holding a giant putter.

Jeff Joiner
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7 months ago

Showalter has won 3 manager of the year awards. Those go to a guy whose team finished a lot higher than everybody expected.

It will take a miracle to turn this team around in a year. Honestly, if Showalter is Arte’s biggest addition this off season I’d be just fine with that.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I gotta go with Arte selling as an addition(?) I’d like to see.

smithy610
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Showalter will be a “restore the reputation and goodwill” type of hire. Everyone knows the Angels are not thought of fondly in the league right now, so you would want to hire someone with credibility.

And Arte being the guy who’s very aware and sensitive to optics and perception, may do just that.

On Showalter’s side, despite the disfunction in the org, he’s probably thinking there’s still great pieces there – Trout, IF healthy, then the young core of Neto, O’Hoppe, Schanuel, Rengifo, Moniak, Ward, Adell, Thaiss, Canning, Detmers, Sandoval, Soriano, Joyce, etc. A team that he can work with and steer to better results. Seriously, a 10-win improvement from prior years, or getting them to .500, even if the team just barely misses the playoffs, would make Showalter a serious MOTY candidate.

MarineLayer
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7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

At least it wouldn’t be “on the job training” like Nevin or all three GM’s Arturo hired.

Eric_in_Portland
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7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

this is exactly why I want Showalter or some other experienced, previously successful manager. I expect, though, that we *will* get an inexpensive trainee.

2002heaven
Super Member
7 months ago

We already did
Remember Phil Nevin’s predecessor? Oh yeah, almost forgot FIELD SKIPPERS STILL DON’T MATTER ASK THE WASHINGTON NATS and Joe Maddon who also doesn’t know how to tie his shoelaces anymore either since 2016

2002heaven
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Scioscia, Maddon say hi
Rather hire a younger guy with EXPERIENCE and especially PREVIOUS POST SEASON EXPERIENCE……..Tingler is gonna turn just 43 next month, while Buck Showalter will cost more and be older and more stubborn.

bigviz
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7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

There’s no disputing that he leaves the organization better than when he started, historically.

Fansince1971
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7 months ago

Instead of having all these off days – why not make these 7 game series as they should be?

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Now finally you’ve said something I agree with ’71.

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Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I should delete that post then! 😂

Last edited 7 months ago by Fansince1971
steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

🤣🤣🤣

Jeff Joiner
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

This schedule makes the least sense possible.

4 games competed against a stacked college football schedule on Saturday. Two competed with the NFL on Sunday. Both games yesterday overlapped with portions of Monday Night Football.

Yet on days when the sports calendar is free teams have multiple off days.

And the geniuses at MLB can’t figure out why ratings continue to decline.

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Great point. I was amazed that MLB playoff games were on something like channel 350. Without a voice remote, I probably would not have found the broadcast. Football dominated the regular channels.

Jeff Joiner
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I got so wrapped up in the Texas vs. Oklahoma game I forgot the playoffs had started.

I did a quick check here to make sure the site was up and running and saw the playoff thread I had scheduled or I would have had no idea they’d already started.

steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Blame it on the interns!

steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Can’t chase ratings every playoff series!- Phil Nevin

cookmeister
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Ratings

Can’t have 4 games spread out, there won’t be any viewers in the afternoon games.
Can’t have 4 games played at the same times, cuts into viewership

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Because post season baseball on Christmas Day just feels wrong.

RexFregosi
Super Member
7 months ago

i just saw we traded we traded Quero in July??? wtf

i was pissed enough in Sept when i saw Bush and JJ were gone, but Edgar Quero too?

F’in platypus got ripped off big time.

Last edited 7 months ago by RexFregosi
Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Welcome to the rage. I hated that trade when it was made. Misplaced optimism based on good results against the Judgeless Yanks and Tigers led to a misplaced all-in mentality. But what is done is done.

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

They truly don’t know what they’re doing.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

because O’Hoppe is good, Quero hit a wall at AA, and Laverde is the new Quero

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

It actually makes sense. Where was Quero going to get ABs in the majors with O’Hoppe as the starter? We traded him for horse dung, so that’s true, but I wish we’d have rec’d more for him.

Last edited 7 months ago by Angelz4ever
Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Could have been part of a trade for a younger controlled player.

I’ve gone down several clicks on the playoff dream, if we would have stayed in contention into mid-late September, I’d been ok with all the trades.
We want for it, didn’t work, oh well. But the implosion was mortifying. And even embarrassing by our own well established trAditional standards.

Free Querro
Free Cuba

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago

Could this be the year that the Blew Crew finally jettisons their manager after another post-season train wreck?

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I thought about that too. Good thing they just gave him an extension .

I suspect a team like Cleveland or even Milwaukee ( if Counsel isn’t retained) would be perfect for regular season Roberts

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Rec for “…regular season Roberts”

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The laptop doesn’t leave the building, so…….

I could be regular season Roberts……just older, fatter, less articulate, and easier to fire.

Cue up the Doyer year end elitist-techie-gibberish press conference, “I love this team, nobody works harder, I’ve never been around a better clubhouse, Dave’s not the issue, we have to get better, we have to learn to cheat better, we view this season as a success, we need to adjust our secret injections, need more of a time release formula to adjust for the week off after winning the division every year and not playing a meaningful game since in August 1st , we just need to get better, nothing to see here please move along, stop asking so many questions that I have no answers to.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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7 months ago

MLBTR does a good job providing a realistic assessment of the franchise….

Offseason Outlook: Los Angeles Angels

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/10/offseason-outlook-los-angeles-angels-9.html

Fansince1971
Legend
7 months ago

Really good discussion- excellent in fact. It does not bode well whatever happens with Ohtani (imo he’s already gone). The overall roster is middling at best and the farm is awful. Not a lot of optimism in that article.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

After watching the Doyers play the last 2 games, they really really need a full time DH who cant pitch for at least one season or two.

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yes – if Dodgers fail in Ariz their desire for Ohtani will likely skyrocket

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Why? Their problem is pitching he wont be effective on the mound until until at least 2025 but probably not until 2026.

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Only if Lee Iacocca was alive and wanted to own a baseball team.

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago

This article made me think of the classic song by The Clash:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BN1WwnEDWAM

As great as Ohtani is, I’m probably in the 51/49 camp of let him walk. Paying him half a “Billi” would almost certainly go poorly for the club and we still don’t have enough pitching to win in 2024 – at least on paper.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 months ago

Excellent accurate, and very depressing summary. I can’t believe, knowing what we know about Artie and his family, that he would be interested in any long term plan. He doesn’t have the time and no one is going to want to watch years of irrelevant rebuilding. Honestly things are so challenging I feel like Artie has only two bad choices. Sell, or spend lots of money. Unfortunately, there is a really weak free agent market, so even spending money may not be viable. I don’t believe he want’s to sell, so he and Perry will have to be really creative to interest people in attending games next year. They will need staring pitching and a couple of middle of the order bats. One last thing, I don’t believe Buck would tolerate Rendon. If they hire Buck, Anthony needs to be gone.

WallyChuckChili
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7 months ago

Flag Football?

Should just have Wiffle Ball instead of baseball then.

Or Olympic Over the Line!

steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago

I’m sure “Pickleball” is going to be in the Olympics if not the next one, then soon. Personally, if it’s not the Luge or Bobsled events, I’m not watching.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Even synchronized swimming?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The younger generation is bringing in as a new Summer & Winter Olympic game: Avocado toast eating.

steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

😆

steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

They are actually going to bring in Men’s synchronized swimming! And you just thought that was an old SNL skit with Martin Short.

Fleckstein
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

And Harry Shearer!

steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

😆 I actually have a Best of Harry Shearer dvd with this entire skit.

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

We could use “I’m not a _ _” for everything!

I’m not a strong hitter……with RISP.
I’m not a strong pitcher…….with 2 outs
I’m not a strong manager…….when it comes to making baseball decisions.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Oh that I lived this long to experience that……

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
7 months ago

The Olympics are largely a collection of activities that we’ll watch for a couple of hours every four years and then put away.

We have yearly leagues for the actual sports we want to see.

red floyd
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7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I always try to watch the fencing (I fenced in college), but if NBC has the Games, it will probably be on Peacock, so I won’t be able to.

Last edited 7 months ago by red floyd
ScoopleDoople
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

If you fenced in college you were probably pretty darn good. And a lot of time and effort behind that.

Jim Atkins
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Just the small stuff, like watches?

WallyChuckChili
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

I believe it was mostly Yards.

Front Yards with White Picket Fences were very popular back in those days.

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago

Or like our stupid outfield fence in right field with a yellow line cutting it in half.

Voted #1 dumbest ground rule in any North American Stadium by “Stadium Digest”.

I came up with better ground rules, playing over the line in my backyard as a kid.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Hey pal, watching televised curling is freaking awesome…..said no one on the West Coast ever!

steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

The new, hip kids will use the cordless, battery operated leaf blowers.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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7 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I hope they will televise the recharging of the batteries….