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I’m sorry. I just couldn’t deal with this today.
The Rangers did advance past the Rays with a sweep.
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Ruh Roh. Looks like Billy got out of Dodge cuz he’s got sum splainin to do. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/10/mlb-investigating-mets-on-allegations-of-improper-injured-list-usage.html
Just saw on the ticker that Dick Butkus just passed. RIP my man.
That’s sad. Aside from being a legendary football player, I really liked him.
Yup. He was a throw back personality and “type” that our current society despises.
I was just watching those “Less Filling Taste Great” commercials the other day.
One of the legends of the game. Hoping todays Bears ineptitude was not a contributing factor in his passing.
I’m certain it didn’t help.
I signed up for Chap GPT and asked it what we need to do to win the World Series. Here’s what it spit out:
Winning the World Series is the ultimate goal for any Major League Baseball (MLB) team, including the Los Angeles Angels. To achieve this, the Angels can take several strategic steps:
It’s important to note that winning the World Series is a challenging endeavor, and there are no guarantees. However, by following these strategies and making well-informed decisions, the Los Angeles Angels can increase their chances of winning baseball’s ultimate prize.
Free Research Preview. ChatGPT may produce inaccurate information about people, places, or facts. ChatGPT September 25 Version
Hopefully you didn’t pay much for your new found toy.
Clearly AI isn’t as advanced as we thought it was. The Angels are a professional MLB team and they don’t do half of these things. Silly AI.
I’m sure a copy of the same BS gibberish is Arte’s desk.
And he highlighted Fan Support: 3 million fans…..Again!
ChatGtP speaks in logical, yet entirely predictable corporate jargon. Yawn.
Some attorneys in Arizona used ChatGPT to write a legal brief and they didn’t double check the citations. It made up some bogus legal authorities. The judge sanctioned the crap out of those guys.
It’s a toy, not a tool.
Ha! I sent that story to my daughter the lawyer. I wanted to make sure she didnt get any crazy ideas when she’s under a tight deadline.
Maybe I just read about it in Arizona Attorney Magazine. This guy in New York got zapped for $5,000 by a Federal Judge for that.
He probably had to report himself to the New York Bar Association. Truly embarrassing.
I read about that a month ago or so… I thought it was hysterical (given what I was taught about briefing)
Hilarious. Angels look like they are going with the five starters they have now. So much for investing in starting pitching. They might buy some more relief help. Otherwise, it will be the young roster players and trying to stay healthy — again.
Chat GPT’s knowledge ends in 2021, right?
I wonder if, the day after TEAM wins the title this year, CGPT will just say “nothing” if you ask it what the TEAM needs to do to win the WS…. or will it spit this out for them too…
maybe Shoey could be the manager.
But seriously, folks, I expect Perry will do nothing until after the World Series ends. He’ll want to know who’s available and who fits the new plan.
I’m not sure they are allowed to announce a new manager before WS ends even if they did have so wild hot plan they can pull off now…. which I hope to God they don’t have.
Make of it what you will:
Mike PumaNYPost_Mets·Buck Showalter is interested in the Angels’ managerial opening, according to a source, and trying hard to get an interview. The job isn’t deemed attractive within the industry because GM Perry Minasian is entering the final year of his contract. But Showalter wants to manage.
Buck Showalter is interested in the Angels’ managerial opening, according to a source, and trying hard to get an interview. The job isn’t deemed attractive within the industry because GM Perry Minasian is entering the final year of his contract. But Showalter wants to manage.
I’d take it. Stability and he’s won……and breathable all cotten uniforms.
Wait. Buck actually listened to Costanza and we want this guy as a manager?
Not a huge Seinfeld guy, but Costanza was easily the best character.
I wouldn’t object. A track of winning is certainly better than the inverse, but then again, I’m firmly in the camp that baseball managers are largely interchangeable and Winning vs. Losing is 90%
roster construction & the lottery that is player health.
Bill James wrote an article on managers and compared their importance to playing poker. The cards will heavily dictate success but it also definitely matters whose playing them.
I think the Players liked him. https://fansided.com/posts/pete-alonso-mets-steve-cohen-office-after-buck-showalter-fired
Old hand baseball dudes that are chubby are impossible to dislike. See Tommy Lasorda.
What does Tommy think about Dave Kingman’s performance?
kingman(full).wav – A Tommy Lasorda gem: “What’s my opinion of Kingman’s performance? What the f*** do you think was my opinion of it? I think it was f***ing b*llsh*t.”
Tommy Lasagna? You got to be shittin’ me.
Sosh: Did someone say Lasagna?
Buck seems to bring along young teams well…. he’s “no nonsense” but seems to get teams that skew young to buy in. Could get a worse manager.
Art Vandelay!! (Importer/exporter)
I would love Buck Showalter to provide credibility and continuity for 3-5 years while they get the organization on the right track and he could mentor his successor. Only problem, as previously mentioned numerous times on this site, is that it requires a plan. I believe Buck would work well with Perry and, even thought he’s older, he embraces modern methods but also brings lot’s of traditional knowledge and experience.
With the Platypus being a lame duck in 2024, the vacancy will not be considered appealing to most established baseball managers. Perry is not going to have a lot of options.
Disagree- there are just a handful of people on the planet who would turn down an opportunity to manage an MLB manager job.
Buck is as high on the MLB manager hierarchy as is and he would be more than happy to do it.
And I’d be be very happy to have him at the helm.
Buck is old, my instinct tells me that this particular question wouldn’t be a deal breaker.
But Buck & PTP are old buds. I think It’s good to have the manager and the GM on the same page.
I’m not opposed to it at all, which is essentially my point over a few different posts.
Managers are overrated. Show me the roster and the health outcomes and I’ll accurately predict Winner vs. Loser.
All that being said, we could do waaaay worse than Buck.
I think I’ve seen they can be worth 5-7 additional wins if they are good
OK, 5-7 wins is not insignificant. My ego is big, but not so big that I won’t admit that I could be wrong…,
Speaking of which, I am still STILL waiting for the Angels to cash in those several win they were supposed to pick up each season by simply not having Soth manage anymore with his “ern gaym dec sishuns”.
under Sosh, they consistently out-performed their PIE-THAG-O-ReUM projectiles; no one could figure out why??
(psst – it was Sosh)
I like Buck, he’s like the John Taffer of Baseball Managers. He’d rattle some cages and get us on track, just not sure of long term. Maybe not the preferred choice but i’d be happy.
Billy Eppler has “resigned” from his position at the Mets
I hope he becomes Jerry’s little errand boy with the M’s.
Billy Epp agrees- what use is a GM when you have a POBO who is hiring managers and planning to re – evaluate the coaching staff?
Please explain Grich
Wishing for the best for
I guess this means the Mets are out on Shohei.
My first thought
I didn’t consider them to be “in” despite recent reports from the pig vomit corporate media complex.
It’s the Doyers, then then the Doyers and TBD is third.
But what about Wilson?
Wish Perry would have resigned too.
Jerry is embarrassed and made a mistake. Eat it Jerry!
“First, I’d like to say I’m generally embarrassed by the way, at least, that comment and especially one other was received,” Dipoto said via the Seattle Times. “I’ve been doing this job, or roles like this, for a long time now and I’ve made mistakes. I’ve made my fair share, like most do. This was kind of one of those times. I just did a poor job of illustrating the points that I was trying to make.”
I actually understood what he was trying to say with his original comments . Of course it came out as if he was saying “eat it peasants you should be happy with an average 54% winning percentage even though we have never been not may never ever go to a World Series.”
Still hate your HS valedictorian and did Jerry and Scott knock over your ant farm? 😢 😥 He’s right BTW because Seattle’s a small market town they don’t have a NBA team anymore and the Seahawks are in the NFL with a salary cap and revenue sharing.
Sorry, but it’s true ask the Florida teams today.
Yep Downing Dude and Cookmeister 💪 Besides FL is the the bandwagon state
there isn’t any hard loyal fan bases there……..Dan Lebatard former ESPN host and Miami Herald sports editor. But none the less I’d take what the Rays did any day over 8 straight losing seasons.
The Rays, and Marlins too, and their fan shituation really is a shame. Both teams deserve better support.
Angles fans are generally docile & boring in the stands, but they’ll certainly turn out WAY more than the slug fans of those teams.
Let’s be real, they could probably outdraw a Tampa playoff game just to have fans look up from their phones and make some noise when prompted to see the lame monkey.
Bwahahaha, yes Sir.
I realize the Doyers are a sore topic here, but I grew up there and have always had a blast there. The fans are lively and yes, I wear Angels gear at those games.
I’ve been going to Dodger games since I was 4 months old in 1961. Was great growing up with an Uncle in Glendale who had season seats along with ours here in Anaheim. Went to tons of games, and WS games at both stadiums, and have always had a blast. I just can’t hate the Dodgers for being “mean to the Cowboy” (who incidentally gave us 20+ years of shitty teams and no one called for him to sell), they didn’t force him to play there. And the narrative about kicking the “poor people” out of Elysian park mostly happened long before the O’Malley took his chopper ride over the city.
I attribute it to modern thinking where you MUST choose a side and place a line of death in the sand for any stance you might take (and “Bros” with their “Boys” and their backward caps). It’s like a franchise that’s enjoyed success in NY, LA, BOS, OAK, TEX, HOU can ONLY be successful by MLB rigging games on the orders of ESPN, massive cheating, PED’s (Troy Glaus says hello!), and the International Umpire Conspiracy to Only Screw the Angels.
Wow you actually said something that made sense! Good for you, man!
2 games. cool story bruh. fight me
Can someone please tell me why people seemingly treat ‘2002’ like a pariah?
You ain’t seen nothing yet…scroll down.
I did, but I don’t understand why. Perhaps I’m just Helen Keller.
He used to just post big images of players from other teams without saying who it was or why on Earth he posted them. He has improved a great deal lately.
True dat. Kudos to 2002 for solid interactions.
Yesterday there were posts talking about getting the band back together…my $.02
Bench: Benji Gil
Base Running: Figgins
1St Base: Erstad
3rd Base: Salmon
Bud Black would have to get (103 losses) canned…lots of the parts are interchangeable.
I appreciate the nostalgia. But I don’t see it. Perry and his computer I think are in charge along with Arte. The managerial and coaching spots are largely figurehead and personality spots now. It’s a shame but that seems to be where things are going.
Statcast is a curse upon the game.
Yep, I am Dinosaur…hear me roar!!
WHAT ABOUT SAND FROG
I tried to think of something clever for Spiezio…assistant hitting coach.
Biggest homerun in the history of the club deserves some kind of love.
Clubhouse music act?
You Mean your $20.02
I can give you $6.14 back in change.
I need change for my $99.63 as well, please
The 2002 Angels are the Texas high school quarterback that won state in 1991. And CTPG Guy is the chubby blonde with four kids from three guys and a rash on her upper arms who gives him a handy in the Chili’s bathroom every Friday.
Boom. Love it.
You have genuinely been missed Gitcho.
Missed by by those of you who hate yourselves for being Angel fans.
I don’t hate myself for being an Angels fan. I hate some Angels fans. It’s an easy thing to confuse.
its like the same with my admiration for the franchise in the Bronx
It’s in my blood My dad was a die-hard Cubs fan. (He passed before 2016).
Don’t be alarmed. I’ve missed you too Frostie.
If I’m the only fan left here proud of the 2002 W/S Championship…I’ll be that guy.
1978, 2002 called and wants its championship back.….
That 2002 championship is so 2002.
See my post above…I’ll be that guy!!
I would always LOVE the 2002 team. It was what made me an Angel fan (from out of the country).
That said, not sure if I would have fond feelings of bringing the band back together, so to speak, to coach this current team. Just hire the best people regardless of the past.
Buck > Sciosia
Every time I see Buck’s named mention, I’m always thinking Joe Buck for some reason.
Or Bucky Dent?
I was at a party in West Hollywood with my ex-wife and her entourage of gay friends screaming like a loon when they won.
Not sure how ANY long suffering Angel Fan couldn’t be proud of 2002, frankly.
It’s you and me against the world Banned.
Wear my lucky red tennis shoes every day.
I was literally at my 40th birthday party. Best. Present. Ever.
Don’t get me wrong. I loved winning in 2002. I was also really in love with this girlfriend named Kelly in 1997. Both were/are great. Both are in the distant past. Neither are the solution to any problem today. Constantly bringing either up like they are is kind of pathetic.
At least you managed to say something without being an ass about it.
Eat a bag of dicks.
No on Scioscia for me.
But then where will we get our lasagna jokes?
This is truly nauseating, but cool if you’re making a comeback-special-holiday-warm-memories Lifetime movie
Bruh, way to stick an arrow in his heart !!!
(PS – HFS1978 is my dawg, but you’re right)
I’m there with most of what 78 posts, and wasn’t trying to stick a knife anywhere. It’s just silly to think an overachieving team in 2002 that won the WS (and couldn’t play .500 baseball the next season), would somehow magically be able to turn around a franchise mired in mediocrity.
2002 Angels are like the 1984 Tigers and the 2015 Royals. Totally cool. Fun to think of. And that’s about it.
Put another way, it’s been over 20 years. If any of those guys would make a good coach or manager or GM you know what they’d have been doing at some point in the last 20 years…..?
I haven’t offered my appreciation for gratitude for CtPG writers for 2023 yet so here it is – THANK YOU! I’ve been around since HH days too as far back as 2005ish and this was a hard year to show dedication but what doesn’t kill us just makes us stronger!
On that note, i offer this token from my Archives
February 20, 2018 – “Hey Mike, there’s some one we like you to meet”
Shohei had been in camp already for almost a week but this day is the first day for position players. the way camp is run in the morning, early dugout meetings, separation of P/C and positional players, and they were acting in these photos suggest this is the first time Mike and Shohei meet live in person.
Mike hits a few in the cage, then Shohei.
I love how Shohei acts just like other little kids do when meeting Mike or an idol (Ippei too). Shohei is a lot skinnier. Too bad that blonde Angel media rep is in the way on the handshake. No MSM caught this moment. The very last photo is the only of my thousands i’ve blown up to a 24″x36″ poster.
Enjoy – Shohei is still ours till the last out of the World Series.
Cool story/photos. Thanks.
My sentiments exactly. I’ve been lurking for many years and only recently joined. Since the LA Times Sports Section that I grew up with left us long ago, I have appreciated the two sites as a morning substitute. Attended my first game at the Ravine in either 61or 62 against the Yankees with Billy Stafford pitching. As a youngster, I was rooting for the Yankees who eventually scored a comeback win late in the game. My dad grew up in the Bronx in the 30’s and was a big Yankee fan as kid but by this time was an Angel fan, primarily because he listened to Dick Wittinghill on Gene Autry’s radio station. Some of you know what I’m talking about. Still remember George Thomas hitting a grand slam and Elston Howard hitting a triple late in the game that either drove in the winning run or positioned himself to be the winning run. Thanks to all of you who contribute.
Fletcher touches on the topic of outmost importance to fans – why do Angels players seem to fall down like flies during the season?
The players are, though, and they agree that the training and strength and conditioning staff is not the problem.Five veteran players – all questioned because they had the reference point of being with at least two other teams – were asked to assess the Angels’ training and strength and conditioning staff. They were each offered anonymity so they could speak freely.All five said the Angels’ staff was, at worst, the same as other places they’d played, and at best, even better.“Honestly, when it comes to the training staff and the medical staff, I think it’s probably better than a lot of places I’ve seen and heard,” said outfielder Randal Grichuk, who is with his fourth big-league organization. “So (the blame) is definitely not there.”Left-hander Tyler Anderson (six teams), infielder Brandon Drury (seven), catcher Chad Wallach (three) and outfielder Brett Phillips (five) agreed with Grichuk’s assessment.“I think they’re good actually,” Anderson said. “The strength coaches are good. They do a really good job of communicating with the training staff.”Drury added: “Strength and conditioning and medical has been awesome this year. If you look back at our injuries, it has nothing to do with anything in the gym, anything you could do in the training room.”
The players are, though, and they agree that the training and strength and conditioning staff is not the problem.
Five veteran players – all questioned because they had the reference point of being with at least two other teams – were asked to assess the Angels’ training and strength and conditioning staff. They were each offered anonymity so they could speak freely.
All five said the Angels’ staff was, at worst, the same as other places they’d played, and at best, even better.
“Honestly, when it comes to the training staff and the medical staff, I think it’s probably better than a lot of places I’ve seen and heard,” said outfielder Randal Grichuk, who is with his fourth big-league organization. “So (the blame) is definitely not there.”
Left-hander Tyler Anderson (six teams), infielder Brandon Drury (seven), catcher Chad Wallach (three) and outfielder Brett Phillips (five) agreed with Grichuk’s assessment.
“I think they’re good actually,” Anderson said. “The strength coaches are good. They do a really good job of communicating with the training staff.”
Drury added: “Strength and conditioning and medical has been awesome this year. If you look back at our injuries, it has nothing to do with anything in the gym, anything you could do in the training room.”
Obviously, some of the major injuries the past season are freak injuries – Ward, Trout and Rendon – and those you can’t really blame on training. But what about those lingering oblique injuries, strains, etc.? What is the answer?
Start with all oblique, calf, hamstring, groin, lat, abdomen and quad strains, and then add neck and back injuries that include the words “strain” or “tightness.” Using that standard, the Angels had 12 of those injuries this season, which was tied for fifth most in the majors. The average was 7.6 per team.In 2022, which was the first year for the current medical staff together, the Angels had only four, which was tied for 22nd in the majors. The average was 7.0. In 2021, the Angels had 11, tied for 11th most. The average was 9.8.The caveat with the other soft tissue injuries, however, is those descriptions are likely going to be attached when an injury is, say, exaggerated for the sake of roster management. If a pitcher without options needs a break, either because of workload or performance, it’s easy to find some “hamstring” or “groin” tightness.At least five of the Angels’ injured list placements this year were mostly about roster management, and all were given soft tissue descriptions, a source said.In terms of all injuries, the Angels had the third most this year, but it hasn’t been a trend. In 2022, the Angels ranked 20th in the majors in total injured list uses, with 29. The major-league average was 32.7. The Angels were also below average in 2021, with 33. The major league average was 40.7.
Start with all oblique, calf, hamstring, groin, lat, abdomen and quad strains, and then add neck and back injuries that include the words “strain” or “tightness.” Using that standard, the Angels had 12 of those injuries this season, which was tied for fifth most in the majors. The average was 7.6 per team.
In 2022, which was the first year for the current medical staff together, the Angels had only four, which was tied for 22nd in the majors. The average was 7.0. In 2021, the Angels had 11, tied for 11th most. The average was 9.8.
The caveat with the other soft tissue injuries, however, is those descriptions are likely going to be attached when an injury is, say, exaggerated for the sake of roster
management. If a pitcher without options needs a break, either because of workload or performance, it’s easy to find some “hamstring” or “groin” tightness.
At least five of the Angels’ injured list placements this year were mostly about roster management, and all were given soft tissue descriptions, a source said.
In terms of all injuries, the Angels had the third most this year, but it hasn’t been a trend. In 2022, the Angels ranked 20th in the majors in total injured list uses, with 29. The major-league average was 32.7. The Angels were also below average in 2021, with 33. The major league average was 40.7.
It’s an interesting read: https://www.ocregister.com/2023/10/04/angels-seek-answers-to-significant-injury-issues/
from what i’ve seen in Tempe, i’d agree with the players assessments that training staff is ok or at least much better than it was.
there definitely was a change a few years ago and there were more specialized exercises and smaller groups with more staff than there was 5+ years ago.
is it enough? don’t know, but it has been upgraded.
From the article, this is the present makeup of the Angels training staff:
The Angels have three athletic trainers, led by Mike Frostad, who is in his second year in the organization. Matt Biancuzzo also joined the Angels last year, while Eric Munson just completed his seventh year. Longtime head athletic trainer Rick Smith, who has been with the Angels in various capacities since 1978, also still assists at home games.Head strength and conditioning coach Matt Tenney joined the Angels in 2022. Assistant Adam Auer just completed his fifth season working in the majors with the Angels, after being in the minors.The Angels also have two physical therapists – Marc Ocegura and Robbie Williams – who each joined the organization in 2022. Massage therapist Yoichi Terada has spent 13 years with the Angels.
The Angels have three athletic trainers, led by Mike Frostad, who is in his second year in the organization. Matt Biancuzzo also joined the Angels last year, while Eric Munson just completed his seventh year.
Longtime head athletic trainer Rick Smith, who has been with the Angels in various capacities since 1978, also still assists at home games.
Head strength and conditioning coach Matt Tenney joined the Angels in 2022. Assistant Adam Auer just completed his fifth season working in the majors with the Angels, after being in the minors.
The Angels also have two physical therapists – Marc Ocegura and Robbie Williams – who each joined the organization in 2022. Massage therapist Yoichi Terada has spent 13 years with the Angels.
So, we are left to surmise that the reason for all the injuries is The Angels Curse.
Yes. The Ju Ju is real.
Yeah, but those 2022 hires were mostly Perry’s boys from Atlanta. The 2021 Braves were horrible, that org still sucks, and PTP is just a cabana boy…. right?
This is funny. It starts by saying the players were offered anonymity, then goes on to quote them by name.
You can’t have it both ways, lol…
But giving their names to their quotes gives more credence, doesn’t it? Reporters told the players “I won’t put your name on the report, so just go ahead and tell the truth,” but players said “No it’s fine, go ahead and put my name on the paper.”
So Sam the Hat’s scathing expose is not Pulitzer Prize pristine journalism and Evil Arte isn’t Uber McScrooge?
This is just so shocking to me.
Bu but… truth to power? Right guys? Rage Against the Machine? V for Vendetta? I complain on the internet, so I’m not a soft bitch right?
I think, if we just hold him to account for one more year, Arte will come out and apologize to us by name for the team and stuff.
Honestly, I don’t think those two things need to be mutually exclusive. It could be very well true that the Angels are just cursed and some things are out of anyone’s control.
And at the same time, it could also be true that Arte is a cheapskate on the more important things that make great teams go.
Not sure why those two things would be incompatible.
Well, if they say “go ahead, it’s fine” that does not mean they’ll be completely honest.
The report would have to insist on their anonymity to increase the chance of honesty. But frankly, even that would not guarantee it.
So what you’re saying Frostie is EVERYONE is lying all the time and we should not believe them because we know the real truth.
Personally I don’t believe any of them. Player protecting themselves, team protecting themselves, press being stenographers. They don’t know what the problem is, I get that. But you know what they say, the most underrated ability is availability. trAdition.
You’re in Vegas, you have $1000 and need bet it on an over or under on an Angels injury total next year….most of us are taking the over.
No, that is NOT what I am saying.
I am not Dr. House.
I think that, if I enjoy being pissy about something, and then someone takes the piss out of me a little, they are most likely not being completely honest, and I can still be a sad little piss boy.
Actually Frostie, IMO I would find more credence in quotes of players that were offered Anonymity but decide to go one the r record anyways. Especially if the pool of players interviewed is as large as it is.
Makes sense. Players and personnel that go on the record typically speak in acceptable platitudes. BORING.
Actually, you can if you offer anonymity and then all the players you offered it to tell you to go ahead and use their names. That can totally happen.
That, or Mother Nature:
One theory is that the Angels simply have more older players. They ranked seventh in the majors in terms of oldest average position players, according to Baseball-Reference. The Angels pitchers, who were healthier, were the ninth youngest.
Its the logical answer. We’re all looking for something or someone to blame, when the reality is likely very simple.
Well yes, age is a factor. But the young position players also suffered injuries that caused them to lose significant time.
Neto missed significant time with oblique and back issues. Adell took one swing and there went away his season. O’Hoppe’s injury can be categorized as a freak injury similar to Ward/Trout/Rendon, but can also be argued the other way (that he could have benefitted from better training and conditioning on the shoulders). And you have Rengifo’s too.
I blame Team Donkey that lets us down…and that stupid “ass” Shuffle Butt. And lack of True Grit.
How many sad donkeys do you think Mike Trout can bench press?
Well, I know this. We might have the best Donkey Basketball Team in MLB. Did you know Jordan Adams can dunk? And I think Jo Adell can too. To me, Neto looks like a “pass first point guard” that has the nickname “White Chocolate”.
That doesn’t explain the injuries to Neto, Adell, Joyce, Bachman….
Should I go on?
But I think That is a function of work out regimens PED’s, todays emphasis on Velo
Adell & Neto have “velo” ??? Who knew.
On the base paths.
Hip fractures, older players, that does make sense.
I’m going to blame it on year round travel ball that they all played as yutes, nobody checks the odometer on these players bodies. That’s my myth and I’m sticking to it!
Moar Rengifo genetics?
Good article. Just seems to keep coming down to the same two players getting injured mid year or sooner and never coming back same two players making well above 50% of the position player portion of the payroll). The pitching decline seemed far more performance related than health compared to every other team.
Yes, the starting pitchers were blessed with good health for most of the season. I agree their decline is more performance-based. Detmers, Sandoval, Canning pitched a lot of innings this year and held up relatively well, health-wise.
But yes, Trout/Rendon missing the season since July is much, much different a combo of say, Rengifo/Fletcher missing the same amount of time.
Yup. The gods hating Trout/Rendon is a big issue. The pitchers went full nibble way to often.
Did CJ become one of our pitching coaches?
So… ol’ CheapnEvil. This org is a joke. I’m calling them out and demanding accountability. I’m putting the system on trial. Sam Blum, American hero. Never turn down the heat. Got it.
It’s a good read. But it doesn’t fit the narrative of the experts here.
You’re bringing the best of the pithy sh*t today. Well done.
Got it. So we truly are CURSED.
Seems the training staff (according to players) isn’t as bad as you all claim.
Not really a ringing endorsement. The ones interviewed said the training was generally similar to what they had experienced previously
Geez ’71 stop only seeing what you want to see and open your eyes.
Geez Cowboy. Right back at ya! My eyes see the last 10 seasons which have all basically been the same with injuries and no farm system to fill in. Things are broken in this Org. If you don’t want to see that, nothing I can write will change that. If you want to wear rose colored glasses, go right ahead.
If my lenses are rosy then your’s must be covered with a 1/2 inch of salty donkey tears.
Everyone knows what the problems are. Unfortunately nothing that you have “written” here remotely resembles a solution. Just like everyone knew the Angels won loss record from 1961 to 1977 but did everyone exactly know why they had only 4 winning seasons while never finishing higher than 3rd in the standings
All that I have advocated here is to look at the current situation in an analytical fashion and recognizing the differences (and similarities) with past Arte controlled regime. Failing to do so will only condemn this organization to make the same stupid mistakes they’ve made when they switched 4 GM’s over the last 14 years. Fletcher has done some of the heavy lifting in this regard. Detailng the current state of affairs in the organization both today and last off season. And while we dont know for sure what goes on internally with this organization using logic and reason and yes, even math ( I know thats a difficult concept for ya) is the best way to determine where we are heading.
We have the worst farm system in the majors leading to 8 straight season? Ok Great how do we solve it? You want to tank well that’s novel. Unfortunately we have a draft Lottery system and a draft that is only 20 rounds with effectively a strict signing bonus cap coupled with a limited international signing pool program so unless you are a small market team good luck instantaneously shitting out a top farm system.
So what has Perry done to fix it? Lets see . By all accounts they are paying their minor league coaches more thereby attracting better ones. They’ve upgraded their analytics department. spend more on their strength and conditioning program. He’s told Arte no on the big splash while attempting to sign more depth and increasing payroll. The Angel seem to be scouting and signing a better quality of international players even though those players are still very young for their level and will require more time to ascend to the big leagues. I believe their drafts have been better targeting players that are closer to the bigs that are being rushed to the majors because there’s no other latent in the system blocking them. Has he made some bad trades and mid level free agents signings? yes. (as did his predecessors Billy, Jer Jer da Ninja) but has also made some good acquisitions that may have long term benefits ( Moniak & O’Hoppe for example)
Could we benefit from Arte selling the team or at least bring in a POBO? probably ( There are a lot of shitty owners out there like Jim Crane who despite the Astros successes is considered to be a major asshole of a human being) but It is not a stretch to say that despite the organization’s massive short comings, they are heading in a better direction than they have the last 12 years.
Very good analysis. We hopefully have bottomed out and the curve is in an upward trajectory as you seem to imply. I think PTP is the best of the last 4 GM’s we have suffered through considering that Arte seems to have to have the last say.
Minor Leagues cannot be turned around faster because the team cannot afford to wait for either drafted or traded for youngsters to mature. So, then they are forced to consider AAA players in trade or college players in draft. As for the Minor League Managers and Coaches being paid more, I do not recall reading anything about that.
Why do I most of the time stick up for Minasian, because so many major roadblocks have been placed in front of him and unlike Eppler, he has performed well. I like or agree with his moves over 60% of the time or more. I thought being in Drury and Renfroe were going to produce, and to a certain extent they did. I would not have liked being in his position trying to constantly replacing players on the roster as injuries piled up, some mistakes were made in which players to release or trade. Tail bone notwithstanding, players added in the off season were smart moves. One bad move I believed was bad was Anderson, but he ate up inning for us.
As for Arte, he really should sell the team very soon, the sooner the better. He destroyed and poisoned this team to a point of no return while he owns it. He paid under 200 million dollars for the team and 20 years later turned down 2.5 billion for a team going nowhere and with no stadium deal in the works.
I have provided thoughtful analysis throughout this season and for many years. I’ve provided what I felt the team should do. I’ve suggested trades. I’ve suggested specific organizational changes. I have been quite detailed in my suggestions and analysis. I’ve contributed IIWPM columns. I think you are confusing me for others who just complain.
My belief is that the Angels are not run as a baseball Organization. I’ve given many examples of why the decision making has been marketing based and not baseball oriented. The minor league system and scouting/development of players is in shambles. It’s all of these things and it all flows down from the top.
This team has not hit rock bottom. As long as Arte is the owner I expect it to get consistently worse or at least stay the same.
I believe Arte doesn’t even realize something is wrong. He probably just thinks he has been unlucky just like so many of the CTPG characters.
For all those that bemoan not making the playoffs, I give you the Rays and other teams that lost two straight and are down already. Their fans are groaning now.
All 19,000 of them.
Funny. Four teams lost 2-0 though.
Go Snakes…for you Rex!!
its hard not to root for this team.
i keep saying it – Carroll is incredible – and he lived up to the hype in WC Rd. 1.
-the doyers will be tough for them
Indeed, as will the Braves for Marsh and company.
Doyers are lying around congratulating themselves, another easy unchallenged season. Snakes need to copy the Padres from last year.
They don’t need to be scared of the Doyers, it’s the playoffs, they always choke.
Not just Carroll, but Moreno, Walker, Perdomo, Marte… Jake McCarthy had an off year but he’s a solid piece. Ivan Melendez is a beast prospect as is Lawler. Young pitching. Plus Dominic Fletcher. The Sneks need to trade some position prospects for more pitching (and draft some pitchers) but they could be solid for a good long while.
YES. No step on sneks Doyers! It’s not likely, but it will be really fun if the Dbags take out Los Doyers.
Sort of like saying that you’ll bang the hottest chic in the bar when your the 5th best looking guy and a broke a$$ driving a 2009 Honda.