LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Buy or Sell?

Good Morning Angels fans! Have some links!

Angels News

Despite all the technical issues, and a blown lead, and bad defensive plays, the Angels won last night, somehow. They are still in this playoff race, and, for now, Ohtani is still here.

Aaron Loup has been better as of late. Seriously. Why is this? Well, according to Loup himself, it is because he lost weight.

Will the Angels buy or sell? Well, they better not want Lance Lynn, as he has the Angels on his no trade list.

Around Baseball

Themed nights are all over baseball. But, Emo night? Really? Did not think there was much overlap.

Dodgers get Kike Hernandez back in a trade with Boston. Wait, is Boston selling or?

Padres trade Castillo to the Marlins. Wait, Marlins are buying?! Is that allowed?

Kris Bryant is injured again. Seems like an Angel…

Cubs are a free team! They will be allowed to sell game streaming straight to fans.

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes!

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago

Sammy is concerned. I will X (formerly twitter) him Remember that Sho No Trade Before Deadline Magic Number is still 2. With that message, he will sleep better tonight in Detroit.
https://twitter.com/SamBlum3/status/1684411124156956672

Last edited 8 months ago by Kiyotchan
Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Disclaimer: I do not receive any ¥ or $ from Sammy or the Athletics.

Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago

“Confirmed that these trades will push the #Angels over the luxury tax.”

https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1684416922241093633?t=-crhc2tbcMIXXcFJXIjNKw&s=19

But but but … I was told Arte would never do it.

I am over the moon right now. If you can’t find some sliver of enjoyment in the Angels going for it with Shohei AND Trout idk what to tell ya.

Next 2 months will be the most excited 2 months of Angels baseball since 2014.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

OMG CHEAP ARTE HATES BASEBALL!!!!!!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I think there is a good chance that Angels are shopping Renfroe for reducing CBT obligation by $11.9MM/3=3.93MM.

Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

You may right. Notwithstanding of the financial benefits, trading Renfroe makes us a better baseball team lol

FungoAle
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Who fills his spot? Need a better OF.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Without doing much research of who will be on trade candidacy, the first name I came up with is Cody Bellinger ($12.5 MM x 2 year with mutual option for next season). I don’t know how feasible that is, but if Angels can pull that off, our chance of making playoffs will be significantly better.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago

It will largely be dependent on how they will do for the next 5 games against St. Louis and Cincinnati. If they go 1-4 or 0-5, both Bellinger and Stroman will be available on July 31 to Aug 1.

Cubs are 4.5 GB WC3 and 6 GB Milwaukie, very similar to Angels situation. I did not have any idea that the Angels were going to declare today to go for all or nothing. Huge risk. They could have waited at least until second game of Toronto series.

Last edited 8 months ago by Kiyotchan
bobblanton
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Trout Moniak Ward

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

This is some real Last Dance stuff for Arte. Burning prospects while also making the compensation for Ohtani leaving a 4th rounder.

So I guess the upshot if this doesn’t work is that Arte probably sells the team.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Apple with the assistance of David Beckham and Masayoshi Son would be happy to take the ownership at $3 billion.

Last edited 8 months ago by Kiyotchan
Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Sounds like a win – win to me.

I’m speaking for myself here, this season always felt like the Last Dance with Shohei, with a moderate possibility he re-signs if we make the playoffs.

Whats the fun in not chasing glory with the best player the game has ever seen?

If it works? Yay.
If it fails and Arte sells ? Yay

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Shohei Now

that’s interesting.Not overwhelmed but does it mean Rendon is Rendone for the year?

Shohei Now
Trusted Member
8 months ago

gotta be

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago

Rendon is about as reliable as a broken down cadillac

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

If the Angels somehow manage to acquire Jeimer Candelario, can they place Rendon on forever IL?

Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Then he would actually be Rendone !!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago

I never thought the Angels are the team that would start trade Tsunami. I am not dreaming, right?

Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Every couple years the Angels become the talk of the sport:

Pujols + Wilson signings
Greinke trade
Hamilton signing
Shohei signing
Trout extension

it’s always out of nowhere lol

Last edited 8 months ago by Pineapple12
Marcotor
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Oh I dunno.. Guerrero signing here kinda knocked everyone’s socks off, he was as good as being fitted for blue up the road.

Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Did that shock the baseball world at the time? I honestly couldn’t recall

Marcotor
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

From a lazy G search:

“The Angels and their owner, Arte Moreno, came out of nowhere last Thursday and started talks that wrested Guerrero, the Montreal Expos’ low-key superstar, out of the clutches of the New York Mets and Baltimore Orioles.

The Mets said they offered Guerrero a three-year contract worth $30-million with two vesting options that raised the value to $71-million over five years, then attempted to mollify angry fans by indicating that Guerrero was uninsurable as the result of a herniated disc suffered last season”.

Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Sounds good to me. Throw the Vladdy signing on the list.

FungoAle
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

The Man from Vlad. Damn I miss treat guy. He and his sidekick Erick Atbar.

Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago

Quero is a top 100 prospect. He’s a stud and luckily we traded from a position of depth with O’Hoppe and Thaiss handling catching duties.

Bush is a solid SP prospect.

Giolito was the best SP on the market and we got him. I am sure the Harvard Westlake alum would be more the amenable to signing an extension with us.

Good work from Perry imo.

Cowboy26
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

and he is a free agent in 2024 . this is not a good trade.

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Were you hoping to get him for Adell and Cabbage?

Last edited 8 months ago by DowningDude
Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Nah, the corpses of Walsh and Fletcher should have been plenty to get the best SP on the market

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

🤣

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

We gotta prove to Shohei’s mom that we are serious about making a playoff push NOW

FungoAle
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yeah, agree. My gut reaction we left meat in the table. While I am good with trading prospects, feels like a better bullpen arm should have came as well to offset a 2-month rental. I’m not a big fan of Giolitto. Gives up too much hits.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Neither am I ; he’s susceptible to the long ball as well …

JackFrost
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Yeah, just gonna say, Quero was blocked… We have O’Hoppe AND Thaiss so no. 1 and 2 for next season and likely beyond… Trading Quero made sense… I just wished we could have gotten somebody better than Giolito. I wonder if a package was offered for Cease?… Now HE would have moved the needle

Lucas and his career ERA of 4.26 not so much …

Last edited 8 months ago by JackFrost
Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Sensible take JF !

I read CHW took Cease off the market. If they trade him, they better get more than Quero and Bush

JackFrost
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Yeah, I understand that. That is why I said a “package.” We are deeper now than we have been in a while… I am kind of bummed about Bush… His size, being a lefty etc… I felt he was a keeper. For Cease I would have been okay, but Giolito, not so much …

Last edited 8 months ago by JackFrost
JackFrost
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Maybe part of the reason they took him off is they saw the offers were not to their liking — they thought they weren’t getting enough etc…?

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago

I blame Arte!

smithy610
Super Member
8 months ago

Wow they actually did it…they got Giolito

Shohei Now
Trusted Member
8 months ago

White Sox got our two top prospects. Just ask the Braves how that works out.

Cowboy26
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Shohei Now

For a 2 month rental and a journeyman reliever?

Boy Perry & Arte are desperados

Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Giolito will be extended in the off-season.

Cowboy26
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

If he is then this is a big win . If not we’re idiots.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
8 months ago

Posted OFFICIAL: The Angels have acquired RHP Lucas Giolito and RHP Reynaldo López from the Chicago White Sox in exchange for minor league LHP Ky Bush and C Edgar Quero.

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

On angels twitter

Shohei Now
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

When they pulled Quero from the game last night, it was going to happen. Maybe the trade was delayed a day…

Cowboy26
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Shohei Now

but Quero played today and went 1 for 3 with a walk so kind of weird.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Honestly the big winner here is Thaiss. He solidfied us being able to trade Quero and make a run!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Now, I gotta give Sammy some credit for his yesterday’s twitter regarding Quero being pulled from the game although someone said that he was playing tonight.

Last edited 8 months ago by Kiyotchan
Eric_in_Portland
Legend
8 months ago

Giolito!

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago

Cool. Let’s take a few extra hits of hopium and stash the Haterade for another day

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

fascinating that all of us are so tuned in that we all rushed here to talk about it. We must be fanatical!

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago

Not sure what we are – I’ve been called everything from a pollyannical rainbow farter to the CEO of Team Doomer. Crazy stuff

SC_Halo
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I think the JackFrost Haterade flavor is working! LOL!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago

Both Daniel Murphy and Fletch are playing in Tacoma now. That eliminates them from joining Angels tomorrow. It will probably be a pitcher, not named Ingram, who has just come in for relief.

BTW, Fletch’s BA is at 0.378, and Murphy’s at 0.301.

Last edited 8 months ago by Kiyotchan
Marcotor
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Pitchers, and waaay more impressive than Fletch

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

I gotta check when Giolito and Lopez last pitched assuming that they can get there by hopefully by the second game.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

giolito 3 days ago, 5 innings, 0 runs

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago

You are too fast. Lopez pitched on 7/23 for 2 innings. Giolito on the same day for 5 innings. That means that Giolito will be available as soon as 7/28.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

you’re fast, too. I checked it out, came back and you’d already posted Lopez’ info

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago

When you are fired up, fingers work fast.

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I’m ready for a midnight gamethread. Let’s start now

JackFrost
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

With Moose hitting as well as he is I think it is alot less likely we see Murphy though ..

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
8 months ago

My favorite item that I found tonight…

I don’t care though, let’s get the boys back on the field and see what this team can do.

Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago

🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨

BREAKING: The Los Angeles Angels are finalizing a deal to acquire right-hander Lucas Giolito and right-handed reliever Reynaldo Lopez from the Chicago White Sox for catcher Edgar Quero and left-hander Ky Bush, two top prospects, sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1684410376580993024?t=GfV7Ns-8G7ceMVLvikHyng&s=19

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO

Last edited 8 months ago by Pineapple12
Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

HOLY SHIT I GOTTA HOPE THIS IS REAL

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Angels twitter release confirms

Shohei Now
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Holy shit!!! It’s on baby!!

Cowboy26
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

This would require 2 40 man moves.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Tucker and Webb released?

Cowboy26
Legend
8 months ago

Anyone following the 66ers tonight? Perry’s Over rated Prize Nolan Schanuel is making his Pro debut tonight along with Rios and others. So far Nolan is 2 for 3 with a HBP and a 2 out rbi. Not a bad debut.

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Way to go Schnauzers!

Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago

Alden Gonzalez just now on ESPN,

“Angels hope to have Mike Trout back in 2-3 weeks… Looking to add bullpen help and would like to add a starter as well. They need pitching depth.”

Last edited 8 months ago by Pineapple12
Jayman28
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s going to be too late by then

Shohei Now
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

Mr. Sunshine strikes again! 😉 

Shohei Now
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

The wildcard race won’t be won or lost in August. This will go into late September.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

Don’t lose hope, my friend.

Remember that Sho No Trade Before Deadline Magic Number is still 2.

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Trout is no doubt chomping at the bit to get back now that the team is legitimately chasing a playoff spot with 2 months to go.

Phil made an interesting comment re: Trout’s status earlier this week. I’m paraphrasing here, but he essentially said that it will come down to Trout’s pain threshold in regard to returning sooner vs. later.

It struck me as a rare example of straight talk as opposed to the usual “coach speak” that we hear.

Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

My prediction a week or so ago was Trout is targeting a return Friday, August 11th in Houston.

Everything we’ve heard seems so support my guess that Trouty will be returning closer to the 4-5 week mark than 8 weeks.

Trout is not only the ultimate competitor, he was the undisputed best player in baseball for a decade.

When he can manage the pain, he will be activated.

Last edited 8 months ago by Pineapple12
Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
8 months ago

Est. Competitive Balance Tax Space $2,570,219
There is a little wiggle room, but not mutch.

Shohei Now
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

and they reportedly want a starter and relief help…no chance without exceeding the CBT

Shohei Now
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Shohei Now

Of course if they want to stay below and add pitchers, they’ll have to trade people like Renfroe and Escobar by the deadline. That alone, frees up almost 21 mill from the CBT

Cowboy26
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Source?

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

If I understand it correctly, and I probably don’t, if we add $20 million in salaries Arte would need to pay a $3.6 million tax. 20% of how far we’d be over.

If he were willing to add $20 mil then I think he’d be ok if it came to $23.6 mil.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago

Hey, those of you who are still hoping for a haul of good prospects over compensatory 2-4th round draft pick in 2024, please do not lose hope. According to MLBTR, until 3:00 pm PST on August 1 passes, other clubs and their fanbases might hold out a small amount of hope about the Halos having a change of heart. Perhaps losing four or all five of their remaining games before the deadline might affect the organization’s thinking. Yet it seems they’re fully committed to buying right now, and Ohtani’s impending free agency means there should be urgency for the front office to strike boldly for upgrades to help that playoff push.

Remember that Sho No Trade Before Deadline Magic Number is still 2.

Verducci said his info was from his source. I never trust unnamed source. I like Yoshida’s Teriyaki source, though. 😉

Last edited 8 months ago by Kiyotchan
BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago

The White Sox are baffling. They look good getting off the bus and yet they’re 20 games under .500….

Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

They need to give us Giolito

Pineapple12
Super Member
8 months ago

Texas Rangers decided they didn’t want to join the WC just yet …

Look at the beat down happening in Houston right now

SC_Halo
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Love it, hate it

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s still top of 5th inning. With horrible Rangers bullpen, Houston can still come back. Remember what formerly Indians did to Mariners. I remember that game when I used to cheer for Ichiro led Mariners.

The biggest comeback in MLB history occurred on August 5th, 2001, when the Cleveland Indians came back from a 12-run deficit to beat the Seattle Mariners 15-14 in extra innings. 

In that game, the Mariners had a 14-2 lead going into the bottom of the seventh inning, but the Indians scored seven runs in the seventh, four runs in the eighth, and one run in the ninth to tie the game at 14-14.

The game went into extra innings, and in the top of the 11th inning, Jolbert Cabrera hit a sacrifice fly to score Kenny Lofton, giving the Indians the lead and ultimately the win. This incredible comeback set the record for the largest deficit overcome in a game in MLB history.

Last edited 8 months ago by Kiyotchan
Cowboy26
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

And that was the year when the Mariners only lost 46! games the entire season ( tied the ML record for victories with 116) So I doubt this shocking loss really affected them.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Lou Piniella may have said something along the line of “turn the page” at postgame.  😅 

Claret
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

And Seattle got revenge by winning the division series against Cleveland.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Claret

Good ol’ time. Then 9/11 happened.  😩 

Cowboy26
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

And then 6-14 happened . Scoreboard mermen

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago

If Cease is off the table, I hope Perry pursues Giolito or Stroman. My assumption is that Gio would cost a bit less since
he’s in his walk year deal wise.

Claret
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

And Giolito’s salary is $10.4 million. I am pretty sure the Angels wouldn’t exceed the luxury tax threshold if they acquired him.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Claret

Stroman’s salary is $25 MM with next year at his option for $21 MM.

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Abe Stroman. The strikeout king of Anaheim. Has a decent ring to it

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Claret

Which prorates to about 4.5 million for the balance of 2023.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

10.4/3=3.43. Close enough.  😉 

Claret
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Claret

Never mind. I just found a source that shows the Angels are at the luxury tax threshold.

Shohei Now
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Claret

If the reports are true, they’ll go past the threshold. They couldn’t have made the decision to buy without accepting that they’ll take on more salary.

Shohei Now
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Shohei Now

Of course it would be just like Cheap Arte to tell Perry to do whatever it takes…without adding to the existing payroll.

KPAngel
Member
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Giolito is also a choice of mine.

For the reasons you mentioned, but also being a local product he may be open to resigning with the “hometown” team.

smithy610
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  KPAngel

Once upon a time, Giolito was one of the names being brought up on a potential Mike Trout trade, back when he was approaching his big FA year, as an upcoming ace-like starter that will anchor the rotation for years to come.

It would be funny if he ends up on the same team with who they were trying to trade him for.

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  KPAngel

Yup. He makes sense for the Angels on multiple levels.

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago

The time off allowed me to figure out how to clear my “continue watching” list on Prime Video.

What a hassle