LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Back to .500 Again

Good morning Angels fans! Have some links!

Angels News

The Angels are at .500 yet again! They can sweep the Yankees tonight!

How did this happen? Well, a certain Sandy man was able to go deep into the game. It has been a while since the starter has gone 7 innings.

What also helps is that CF has been strong. No, not Trout, he is still in injured. It is M-I-C-K-E-Y! He has been hitting like a Trout this year. .329/.363/.644.

Chase Silseth is back in the rotation! Hopefully the MiLB guys fixed him.

Angels signed all their draft picks! 19/19 PERFECT

Around Baseball

There was a ton of scoring yesterday. Like, the Braves scoring 13 and losing.

Draft guys are signing all over, like the number 1 overall pick breaking the record for the most money ever by a draft pick… in MLB.

Tampa Bay is getting 2 new statues! Does this mean they will stay in Florida?

Kyle Schwarber is really pushing 3 true outcomes to the limit, on pace to have 40 home runs while being sub replacement level. Yes, seriously, and this is with him robbing a home run.

Trade values are being revealed. I really do not want to think about it though.

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes!

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smithy610
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2 months ago

Update on Rendon from Nevin

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HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

With an injury that you can’t possibly re-aggravate you literally just have to push through the pain. It’s all mental will capacity at that point. Rendone has no Will or desire.

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Last edited 2 months ago by Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
DMAGZ13
Trusted Member
2 months ago

The offense has enough with Neto + more Moniak at-bats to lengthen the lineup. But I don’t think we have the pitching.

Drew-S
Member
2 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

We clearly don’t have the pitching. There’s some definite potential in there, but with Sandoval and one or two others being inconsistent, we’re not a playoff team. It’s that simple. If there was one team to jump over…… maybe. But there’s like five or something.

It’s just not gonna happen. But I hope that the 3rd rd compensation pick brings an outstanding player in a few years.

Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
2 months ago

Syndergaard probably also…

DowningDude
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2 months ago

Anyone else notice that Neto looks like Sid from Ice Age?

Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
2 months ago

Good news on O’Hoppe I’Believe.

Pineapple12
Super Member
2 months ago

Logan O’Hoppe is trending toward a return this season, Phil Nevin said. His labrum tear made that something of a question mark. But the speed of his progress have made them optimistic he’ll play again in 2023. When he comes back is TBD.

https://twitter.com/SamBlum3/status/1681771383364423681?t=p-ntZbylMWZPcE13Y9rHOQ&s=19

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Wow, I think he will be back next month.
https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1681763427478548485

Drew-S
Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

What sort of game shape will he be in when he returns? Same for Trout.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Drew-S

I am assuming both of them will undergo a series of sim games and/or rehab games in SLC before they return. As far as O’Hoppe is concerned, it was the left shoulder, so I am not surprised that they are starting with throwing. The next critical step is swinging a bat. The training staff will continue to monitor and evaluate as time goes on.

As far as Trout is concerned, it really depends on how quickly the soft tissue around the surgical area heals. Assuming that he has no complication like infection, he will be allowed to grip a bat as soon as the pain has become minimal.

Last edited 2 months ago by Kiyotchan
GhostGuest
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

In SLC? No, please send them to the Inland Empire instead.

Twebur
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2 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

is trending toward a return this season tomorrow
is trending toward a return this season in a few few days
is trending toward a return this season week
is trending toward a return this season month
is trending toward a return this season

is trending toward fake news 😀 ALWAYS BET THE OVER WHEN WAGERING ON INJURY RETURN TIMES WITH THIS TEAM. ALWAYS. ALWAYS. ALWAYS TAKE THE OVER.
trAdition

Free Dr Nick and all those under his care.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago

Mr. Herget has left for SLC sometime earlier today.
https://twitter.com/RhettBollinger/status/1681753276507897856

Let’s go Halos!

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Escobar at first base? thats got to be better than putting Renfroe there and Rengiblow in right field.

Last edited 2 months ago by Cowboy26
Claret
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Escobar played 18 games at first base in 2021. He committed no errors and Fangraphs evaluated his range as above average.

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Weird to me. Because Stafanic got a walk off we now play him everyday? If I had my wishes, I would put the best defensive guys in the line-up. Renfroe has to be in right.

Eric_in_Portland
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2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

The history of baseball is filled with one year wonders

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
2 months ago

Assuming it takes 90 wins to get a Wild Card:

The Angels need to go 42 and 24 the rest of the way. That’s a 67% winning percentage for over two months. Not happening.

At this point have an honest discussion with Ohtani’s agent and if the odds of him resigning are less than 75%, start taking trade offers.

Might as well do a full fire sale and see what we can get for Renfroe, Escobar, Moose. It won’t be much but maybe between the lottery tickets and salary saved, it will net us an extra arm or so next off season.

2GA2Join
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

… and if you take this team and subtract Ohtani, what do you have? That could be a rough indicator of what we might have next year, while young talent develops.

Given that, we should be open to trading away assets we’ll have next year too. That means Estevez and Moore… Perry could do well if he plays his cards right.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Honestly if we went in with lower expectations the team may actually overperform for a change and compete for a wild card with the Ohtani contract shadow gone and nobody paying attention.

You’d have some combo of Trout, Rendon(lol), Neto, O’Hoppe, Moniak, Adell, Thaiss, Canning, Detmers, Sandoval, Joyce etc.

I’d bring back Moose for the locker room.

Playoffs wouldn’t be likely but there are worse starting points for your “rebuild” year.

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

2 out 3? That aint bad at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hWWe-ts2s

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I look at it this way, Astros and Orioles will make the playoffs. Too good to falter. Hence, the Angels need to finish ahead of the Jays, Yanks, Red Sox and Seattle. Tall order but being at .500 today, there is enough hope to push forward and give it a shot. Now, if the Halos get wiped out by Detroit and Pittsburgh, sell everyone but Neto and Detmers.

Last edited 2 months ago by FungoAle
2GA2Join
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

That is the key… determining what “a shot” is worth. None of us know what will happen.
Going by the numbers, including what Jeff originally posted above, I can’t in good conscience say “give it a shot” and pass up the opportunity to significantly add some strong young talent to our farm and team.

We’ve been stuck for 9 years. The way teams get out of that is by building up a strong core of young good players. Not by having a couple of superstars and surrounding them with waiver signings. I see the opportunity to add some significant young talent as too important, especially because it could affect the next 5+ years. I’m OK with giving up a super long shot for this year.

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Don’t get stuck on 90 wins (i.e. the numbers). Tampa Bay Rays made it to the post season last year with 86 wins. This year, maybe less.

The Angels management will not pull the plug at .500, they will “give it a shot.” At some point, you just need to play the damn games and see how the team jells. Better w/o Rendon. O-Hoppe and Drury coming back.

Do you think the Angels could chase down the AL east teams (Jays, Sox and Yanks) to snag a WC spot? Mariners (damn good pitching staff)? I think it will be difficult but not impossible. So if you plan to keep Shohei, you need to add.

I’m perfectly onboard with trading Ohtani, Trout and Rendon. I would be over the moon to have this happen.

Eric_in_Portland
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2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

the math is a little off but not by much. (64%).

The New York Mets of 1969 finished 38-11. Anything’s possible! If Perry can trade for the equivalent of Seaver and Koosman we can do it!

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago

Go back to the Braves in 2021, trade deadline made them champs.

Split W L RS RA W-L%
First Half 44 45 420 401 .494
Second Half 44 28 370 255 .611

2GA2Join
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I’m not sure it is a good idea to use that as a model though… there will of course be a team that pulls off the impossible and wins it all.
Also, we have incentive to tear it down and build up… we have one of the greatest trade chips in the history of the team… let’s not waste that.

If it was last year and we were at 500, (and assuming we knew we weren’t trading Ohtani), we didn’t have any big chips to trade. So sure, I’d be all in for going for it. Why not.
As it was, we were in no position to go for it, and Perry actually pulled off a few decent trades anyway with what we had.

Drew-S
Member
2 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Right!! That’s the Braves with brilliant ownership, a really good farm system, and some serious talent. But one can dream all one wants. Anything is possible, just very unlikely.

Drew-S
Member
2 months ago

Are Seaver and Koosman still playing?
Sorry, it’s just that the whole freakin story of trying to ‘figure this out’ is crazy.
Imho, there is no figuring it out. Trade away our firsts for the next four years, build an all-star team for the last months, they still likely don’t make it.

Get real….there is a100% chance the organization improves reasonably, or even more than that by trading him. Look what we got with the Philly trade. A young excellent catcher and their former No. 1OA pick.

If we repeated something like that, then we have a seriously talented young group to really build on, and are not in an emergency time frame.

HaloLew
Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

100% agree. Let the rebuild begin with an eye toward fielding a mostly homegrown playoff team in 3 – 5 years.

DowningDude
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2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

A good start would be to rip off the longest winning streak in MLB history. 1916 NY Giants 26 gamer. We can so do this. [Wipes rainbow-colored skid marks]

Drew-S
Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Great post Jeff. I only wish we knew what was going on in Arte’s head, because he’s probably trying to calculate how much money he ‘thinks’ it will take to hold on to Shohei, not recognizing that there is a chance….. a 3% chance….. if that much.

smithy610
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Might as well do a full fire sale and see what we can get for Renfroe, Escobar, Moose. 

If the team is going to do a fire sale, might as well go out with Moore, Estevez, Drury, Rengifo, etc. Ride the rest of the season with Trout, Rendon, Neto, Moniak, Ward, Thaiss, Stefanic, Cabbage, Walsh (if they bring him back), whoever else they can bring up from the minors, etc.

My worry with “fringe” selling is that it really doesn’t improve the team greatly and it would be back right where they were the last two years. If they’re going to sell, might as well sell the high-prized assets too (i.e. Esty). The goal of selling at this trade deadline is to get a huge bounty, not just lottery tickets or marginal improvements.

55yearsangelsfan
Trusted Member
2 months ago

Silseth was arguably brought up too early, and struggled. He’s still only 23. He’s been doing well at AAA, 4-1 with 2.79 ERA. Last outing 7 innings, 3 hits, 1 ER, 0 walks, 8 SO. On 90 pitches. He’s earned another shot at the majors. Ought to let him have at least 2-3 starts, and hope he earns more.

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago

I still think Silseth > Bachman, time will inform me if I am right with that forecast

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Death by firing squad > death by electric chair?

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Oh, absolutely. Firing squad is much faster and less painful. Not even close.

Twebur
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Paging, Dr. Jack Kevorkian….. paging, Dr. Jack Kevorkian.

As Angel fans we obviously were meant to suffer. Firing squad is the easy way out.

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Fentanyl, please

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Where is Dr. Conrad Murray when he is needed? Apparently, he is now out of prison and opened up a medical institute in San Juan.
https://people.com/michael-jackson-doctor-conrad-murray-opens-medical-institute-7554294

PedroCerrano
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

That shit is concentrated evil. Cartels are dropping it into nearly everything they traffic.

Claret
Trusted Member
2 months ago

I hope Silseth develops into a reliable starting pitcher, but I think there’s heavy relief risk with him. But he could be a successful short reliever with just his fastball and splitter. He hasn’t shown much with his other secondary pitches, and a cutter is often a very difficult pitch to master.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
2 months ago

His first start up his stuff had great movement and velocity but the last few times he’s pitched it didn’t seem to be anywhere close. I’m wondering if the big league staff toyed with his mechanics to help with his control and in the process reduced the movement on his pitches. Personally I prefer effectively wild with run.

smithy610
Super Member
2 months ago

I missed this after Monday’s game. Moniak gave a legit fear to Boone, and that’s why they chose to pitch to him in the 7th (and the epic bat flip followed afterwards):

Boone added that Mickey Moniak is hitting .330. “When we have a two-run lead there, the guy hitting behind him is hitting .330. I wasn’t going to put another runner on second and the go-ahead run at the plate. Had he gotten to 2nd and we were behind in the count, different story”

First of all, Aaron, the guy hitting behind Shohei has a name: “Mickey”.

Who knows if we’ll make the playoffs or not, but we’ve come a long way from Phil Gosselin protecting Shohei in the lineup.

Pineapple12
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

We upgraded from Goose to Moose !

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

And if we keep winning we get to get loose (with Angela)

GhostGuest
Trusted Member
2 months ago

The FBM keystone of the game for today’s possible sweep of the Yankees is Explosions in the Sky’s song, “Your Hand in Mine.”

This is a beautiful song that is fighting its sorrowful core and is trying its best to be a happy song. Is a sweep of the Yankees the beginning of a string of series victories in the second half where the Angels actually play up to their potential and become a playoff team, or is a sweep of the Yankees just part of the natural ebb and flow of a perpetually .500 team?

https://youtu.be/JzIK5FaC38w

Last edited 2 months ago by GhostGuest
Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  GhostGuest

That’s beautiful music, putting me in a calm, but anticipating mood for the rest of the day, my twin evil bro! You are right in that baseball season is full of ebbs and flows. Yesterday, all AL East teams lost. Rays all of the sudden look vulnerable. Rangers whom I made fun of before ASG are looking like they are back being dominant with mighty offensive power of April and May. Doyers are doing what they should despite almost month long absence of Kershaw, and SF Giants are quietly sneaking up right behind in NL West with MLB longest 7 game winning streak. Even Padres with 7.5GB WC3 are rumored to be buyers before trade deadline.

If Angels go 5-6 for the remainder of this month, Sho will be in Atlanta on August 1 IMHO. Which dugout will he emerge from? I don’t know at this time.

Last edited 2 months ago by Kiyotchan
Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  GhostGuest

Expolisions in the Sky is awesome.

Perfect song for today.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
2 months ago

Good morning my friends, hope you are waking up bright eyed as the world is looking wonderful today, beating the Yankees from open till close was very enjoyable was it not. Dang it though, Shohei couldn’t hit one out of the park and had to settle for a TRIPLE! Who else in the last 50 years or so has led the league in Triples and HRs in the same year.

11, that’s right 11 teams scored in double digits last night and 4 games both teams score 10 or more. The Padres could only score 9 runs across the plate.

Get the brooms ready, sweeping the Yankees could happen today.

You get tired of hearing it, I am exhausted from trying to make sense of a 6-man rotation, Silseth is back to try again, definition of stupid? You decide.

MLB wants to expand, it’s greed of the owners at this point, there is not enough talent to fill 30 teams and much less for 32 teams, but franchise fees are through the roof. But seriously, where are the pitchers coming from? 4 divisions with 8 teams each? Greed is disgusting when raising it’s ugly head.

Angels have 5 starters, and they can’t go every 5 to 7 days to start games. When they do start we are fortunate to get 6 innings out of them. So why in the devil do you send Barria or Davidson, or Silseth or anyone else out to lose a game?

One of or maybe the greatest comebacks in my memory has been Mickey, he has gone from mouse to a Maniak. Without him we would be below .500 again.

Neato Neto won’t be so neat if he continues to play hockey on the baseball field.

Has bad has the IL affected this team, Rengifo is being used for defensive purposes.

3 wishes going forward, Shohei does many more things never before seen. Next, 2 seasons of 8+ WAR from Trout before he completely caves in. Sandoval, Detmers and Canning all at the same time put up 3 monster seasons together.

Hasselman needs to be replaced ASAP, hope someone reads our mail today.

Stay Kool Today 🍺  💯 

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago

Well, I did say Alberto Rios has (100-75)% chance that he would sign with the Angels. 😉 . Congratulations to both.

They used $8,730,225 of an $8,328,900 pool, which is a 4.8% overage.

I guess the Angels did not want to pay overage of 75%. Typical Arte’s penny pinching gesture.

Last edited 2 months ago by Kiyotchan
Pineapple12
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

19/19 signed. Quick-to-majors 1st baseman, high upside HS SP, HS SS, and a bunch of college bats/pitchers mixed in.

Hopefully Perry cooked up a 5 🌟 meal for us.

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Just a bunch of guys….that’s how I feel about Perry’s draft. Rios…meh. Jury is still out on his drafting ability aside from Neto. But it’s still early so cutting some slack for today.

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

When you have a limited bonus pool from FA signings and not being a “small market team” and are subject to draconian penalties to for excessive bonus spending such as:

A team that outspends its pool by 0-5 percent pays a 75 percent tax on the overage. At higher thresholds, clubs lose future picks: a first-rounder and a 75 percent tax for surpassing their pool by more than 5 and up to 10 percent; a first- and a second-rounder and a 100 percent tax for more than 10 and up to 15 percent; and two first-rounders and a 100 percent tax for more than 15 percent.

You end up with a bunch of guys

angelslogic
Super Member
2 months ago

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JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

After tonight’s game it will be below .500.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I will memorize your post.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Just like I memorized your post about the Angels taking 2 of 3 from Houston ?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Please show me the evidence, sir.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Don’t bother, sir. I already looked and I am right. I did not predict Angel’s series win against Houston. The only remotely close post about Houston series is the following. (Except for something about MRSA.)

Houston is looking for an SP and left handed bat.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/astros-trade-rumors-starting-pitching-top-prioriry.html

As it stands, Astros are leaning on Valdez (ostensibly less than 100%), Bielak, and rookies Brown and France. Presumably, Javier is slotted back into the rotation early in the second half. Houston has taken a look at Dubin and Blanco in the rotation, but they have been inconsistent. Outside of Brown, none of the rookies are considered high end prospects. France, Bielak, Dubin and Brown are already approaching last year’s innings total. Blanco has already exceeded his.

Is Dana Brown indirectly asking for Sho’rt rental?

Last edited 2 months ago by Kiyotchan
JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Ah, but you are mistaken…

Evidence posted directly above …

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Yes, I see that now. I was mistaken, and I apologize for making another misstatement. I will do better next time like my idol 10-cent brain Rengifo, who has almost no memory capacity.

I vow to remind you that Angels are above 0,500 when we win this afternoon.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Here you go : from early in Sunday’s game…

Kiyotchan
 2 days ago

 Reply to  JackFrost
We will take 2 out of 3 today.

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Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

so we’re playing a triple header today ?

woo hoo I’m getting my monies worth.

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

I like todays chances, let’s get back over.500 and start the ascent. Hope Perry beefs up the squad at the deadline. All this takes is a nice 11 wins out of 14 type of streak. Go MF Halos!

Fansince1971
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2 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

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Jayman28
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2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I love that pic

2GA2Join
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

And this looks similar to a trash panda too…

Fansince1971
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

.500 beer makes you optimistic half the time and pessimistic the other half. It is the preferred beer of the bi-polar. During win streaks it makes you feel extremely happy – maybe even ridiculously so. During losing streaks it sits in the pit of your stomach and makes you so angry and depressed that the sky feels like it’s falling. It is the best beer for extreme emotional mood swings.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I think you nailed the definition of bipolar disorder and sports team fandom perfectly. I wished I had known them when I took college psych course. I might have aced it instead of just barely passing it. Of course, repetitious weekend drinking parties did not help either.

tommyshalo
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Seasons: 63 (1961 to 2023)
Record: 4933-4975, .498 W-L%

I’m still rooting for a lots of wins this season to keep the chance to make it to 5000-5000 alive and become the most .500sh sports team ever. Go Halos!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  tommyshalo

I am curious as math major. Did you also include post season W/L record? Since we have 66 games left, we have to go 54-12 for the remainder of the season to reach the lifetime 0.500 at the end of this season. Of course, that means that we will have finished with 102 wins, which would probably qualify the Angels for playoff berth.

We can always dream. 😉

Last edited 2 months ago by Kiyotchan
Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

BTW, it is a model question if you are tutoring math/arithmatics to elementary school kids this summer.

How many wins must Angels have to reach lifetime 0.500 record this season?

4975-4933=42 (The difference between W and L)

W+L=66 (Remaining number of games this season)

W-L=42

You just add the 2 above formula: 2W+L-L=2W=108

W=54

Thus, Angels have to win 54 games to achieve the lifetime 0.500.  😉 

Last edited 2 months ago by Kiyotchan
Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

6-14?

Jayman28
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Oh god, not that cope again.

DowningDude
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

hahahaha!

tommyshalo
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

It’s from Bref team top so probably regular season only. Too GA to confirm though.

Pineapple12
Super Member
2 months ago

A sweep today would be mighty nice with the coldest team in the league, Pittsburgh Pirates, coming to the Big A on Friday.

Looking a little further down the road, the dream is that we enter the Toronto series on a 9-game winning streak.

Everyone else’s pessimism makes my optimism grow stronger and stronger lol.

Build me up buttercup…

Pineapple12
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

we should be on a 4 game winning streak btw but whatever.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Don’t be stupid man. That line about the Pirates is the dumbest thing you could possibly say … You pretty much assured the Angels will lose that series by writing that here, lol.

People like you and Kiyo and Grandpa just don’t get it. You never learn.

Pineapple12
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Oh, of course! The positive posts are undoubtedly what cause the Angels’ collapses.

Silly me, I should instead joining the group and spam the same negative bs day after day after day for a decade. That’ll create change !

🤪🤪

Last edited 2 months ago by Pineapple12
Senator_John_Blutarsky
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2 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

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halofansince1978
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Agree…like we have anything to do about how they play.

trAdtion, jinx’s, and burial grounds are fun to talk about.

Throw the ball, hit the ball, catch the ball is all on them.

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago

The first rule of TrAdition is never mentioning TrAdition?

Got it.

halofansince1978
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

You are no fun 26…stick in the mud!!

Jayman28
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I’m actually going to side with Jack on this one. And that is super rare

tommyshalo
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

If you want to continue your perpetual negativity against future outcomes, you should put up with other’s positivity too.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  tommyshalo

Delusion and positivity are not the same thing.

The latter has at least some basis in reality.

Last edited 2 months ago by JackFrost
Pineapple12
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

How is hoping for a sweep of the Pirates and Tigers delusional ?

lol

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Hoping for it and saying it is gonna happen are not the same thing. I am hoping for it, I just don’t proclaim it

…Now, it is not just you I am speaking to here… You predicted a sweep of the Yankees sweep (which is not good mojo) but not the Pirates… Though you did imply it would be easy to beat them..

But if you just look at recent history you’ll quickly see that predicting sweeps against “bad” teams is not a good idea … Jeff predicted a sweep of Rockies = Angels lose series, MANY people predicted a sweep of Marlins = WE got swept… Kiyo predicted winning recent Astros series and we lost series in the most brutal manner…

Better to stay silent than to make proclamations of easily winning.

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

You should also heed your own advice, sir. This is your prediction of 6 days ago.

Hmmmm. Yes, that is interesting and sneaky by Baker. I can’t imagine one extra day would make a big difference for Valdez. He is clearly their No. 1. You’d think he’d be their guy on Friday…
Maybe Baker is doing a Popovich like thing when he’d rest two key starters on the road against a really good team, then the opponent would get overconfident and Pop’s highly motivated backups would shock them with the upset … It happened over and over for them… I think he may be doing that here. France is not bad, and should the Astros still take that first game they’d be lined up for a pretty easy sweep of the Angels..

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

You don’t get it do you? Predicting a loss is NOT the same thing as predicting a win.. What I am talking about is that predicting WINS is bad mojo… The other way around is completely different…

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LanaBanana
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Could you link your source, please

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

Source is over 42 years of being a sportsfan, lol.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

First of all, I did not predict Houston series win. Please show me any evidence that I did.

Yes, I was really happy when Angels were winning the third game and did post to rile up the doomers like you. What is this predicting win is bad mojo? We all make fun of mojo, curse, and baseball gods. But, it is bantering. And it is for entertainment. How is that different from your predicting opponents sweep and getting criticized for it? I don’t mind being jeered on or made fun of. I do apologize when I make a mistake. You should wear it when you are proven wrong. But, you seem to lack in humility when you are shown the proof that you were wrong. Are you always right and correct? Do you acquire personal satisfaction by attacking confrontationally on people who have positive hopes of Angels victory?

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

YES YOU DID ! Lol. You clearly said Angels would take 2 of 3 from them. Last time I checked taking “2 of 3” equates to winning the series.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Don’t bother, sir. You won’t find any evidence that I predicted the series win. I have already carefully read every one of my posts before and during Houston series. You probably were upset that I riled up the doomers and made you think that I predicted as such. Wrong, sir.

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JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Again, it is here :

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JackFrost
 2 days ago

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Yes, only AFTER you and a few others took the liberty of saying “taking 2 out of 3 is acceptable” like it had already happened… That’s not good mojo.
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Kiyotchan
 2 days ago

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We will take 2 out of 3 tod

JackFrost
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2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Ugggh. Here it is again :

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JackFrost
 2 days ago

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Yes, only AFTER you and a few others took the liberty of saying “taking 2 out of 3 is acceptable” like it had already happened… That’s not good mojo.
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We will take 2 out of 3 tod

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

LMAO, dude, this convoluted twisting of words fall out from your brain space.

Prediction: Angels are GOING to win today, wanna here you melt now. Wicked witch of the west type of decay.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Ha ha. This kind of thinking was not invented by me.

It’s called being a sportsfan. Clearly you haven’t talked to and observed very many of them. I am talking the passionate ones — not the majority of Angels fans who go to games so they can socialize with their friends, stuff their faces with greasy stadium food and hit beach balls…

Maybe watch the film “Silver Linings Playbook” (especially the Robert De Niro character ) and you will get some kind of idea about how pervasive this is among sportsfans…

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Charles Sutton
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2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

From the Guidelines:

  • The passionate mention of TYPICAL game situations is NOT jinxing, don’t harangue people discussing game situations with the label of JINX. In fact, that is officially being more of a jinx than the initial jinxer. But if you DO jinx an Angels no-hitter by mentioning it you are banned – maybe.
Charles Sutton
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2 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

WordPress did that. When you put too many links in the same comment, WordPress presumes you are a spammer and puts the comment in jail. It stays there until one of us logs in to see there are “pending” comments that need to be approved.
Edit: Sometimes that might take a while because of day job stuff going on.

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JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Okay, thanks for explanation.

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

but…your constant proclamations of losing is ok? Downright deadbeat loser mentality. Like a troller. You might be the type who would heckle at a Special Olympics?

LanaBanana
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Ah, so you are saying had Jeff not predicted that sweep the outcome would have been different?
What happens if two different people predict two different outcomes?

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

I don’t remember that happening in the Rockies series ..

BannedInLA
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

“better to stay silent” –
please do so whilst the rest of us attempt to enjoy the moment.

If it goes the the way you say it’s gonna’ go every 5 minutes then you’ll have plenty of opportunities to bitch & moan about it.

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JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Nice straw man…

The “staying silent” was opposed to reflexively predicting wins.

It was proposed as alternative to constantly boring and disgusting most of us with your rainbow farting …

LanaBanana
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

If the mere words of people like P, K, and G had the power you seem to think they do – well just wow, the world would either be better or crazy and The Angels would go 162-0 and the teams they hate would go 0-162

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

You have no idea what kind of power you, I or anyone else has ..

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
2 months ago

Love the entertaining wins but man this feels like the most Angels thing ever: a honeypot week right before a potentially franchise altering trade deadline.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

One of the many things I enjoy after Angels victory is that I see only 2 articles relating to Ohtani’s trade before deadline instead of 15-20 articles the next morning. It is a huge click bait, so I am resigned that it will not go away until August 1, 3 pm west coast time.

It is also true that it is not really a huge accomplishment even if the Angels sweep the MFYankees today because in my honest opinion, they won last two because of Yankees making more mistakes than Angels. Yankees are horrible team this season with one of the worst MLB offense; there is better than 50% chance that they will end up with <0.500 season for the first time in a long time. However, I still don’t think that the Angels performed playoff worthy baseball yet. 13Ks last night with Ward/Moose/Renfroe/Cabbage/Thaiss/Rengifo doing absolutely nothing.

Simba
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

If beating the Yankees turns down the volume on Ohtani to Yankees talk, that’s a huge accomplishment in my book.

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  Simba

Unfortunately it will just turn up the volume on the Latrine talk.

2GA2Join
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

A sweep of a last place team should not cause people to put on unicorn goggles and see a playoff team.
Reduction of the trade talk is actually a bad thing. The more craze that is whipped up about teams being desperate for Ohtani, the better. Free marketing. Let some hungry GM make a lopsided trade for him amidst the hype.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Exactly, if Silseth pitches well today against MFYankees, that does not necessarily mean that Silseth should be anointed the next #2 starter for the Angels. It is probably more due to MFYankees feeble bats.

However, you cannot stop this determined version of Sho, who has long heard numerous negative comments from many people both in Japan and USA. I recall Mr. Kuriyama (Team Japan manager) describing Sho as Amanojaku, which loosely translates as perverse contrarian. He gets fired up to prove people wrong more when he is told by them that he cannot.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
2 months ago

The team’s energy is better, even in the Houston series. Let’s see if we can make strides before the deadline. I think Neto adds so much positive presence as has Moose. By the way, while his throw was not optimal, that error goes to Cabbage (in reality – but not in the books) who looks very uncomfortable over there. That was an easy pick. That’s why you have to trust your eyes first and not these whimsical defensive stats. And I’ll repeat, my eyes tell me we need to replace Haselman now, before he costs us another important game.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
2 months ago

Enjoy the ride…..because if you’ve been an Angels fan longer than 5 minutes, you know what comes next.  😂 

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steelgolf
Super Member
2 months ago

🤣 Yep!

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago

Exactly.

The one thing we know as Angels fans is that when something good happens that something BAD is sure to follow shortly afterwards …

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Except on October 27, 2002.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The exception that proves the rule.

I was there btw …

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Me too but I thought the Lofton fly ball was gone when it left his bat despite the fact hes a little guy. I was already contemplating the next options/possibilities to get the third out and try and win it in the bottom of the 9th.

tanana40
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

To the very end, I was convinced that the Angels would break my heart again. I remember pacing the hallway and not being able to look at the TV throughout much of Game 7 when the Giants were at bat. I was sure that things would go wrong. When Erstad caught the final out, it was unreal to me.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

Yeah, me too. There was a key moment early in the game when Lackey was pitching to Reggie Sanders with two runners on … At that moment I couldn’t watch from my seat in the upper view so I walked onto the concourse and peeked up at the tv monitor… I saw Sanders fly out to LF then safely went back to my seat…

Near the end I actually knew after Percival got the second out in the 9th. I jumped up in the air with my arms extended. Somehow I knew at that point. Prior to that I was just as nervous as you were tanana …

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DowningDude
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Didja know? I didn’t watch the ENTIRE 2002 ALDS NOR 2002 ALCS?

I thought I had cursed the team.

Once they clinched the WS berth, I made sure to attend WS G1, G6 and G7. (didn’t attend G2 as I also thought I possibly jinxed them, hence the G1 loss – but I had to be at Game 1 for the memory of my grandparents who bestowed the love of the Halos onto me in the mid-70s).

Damn, superstition sucks.