Angels Rally Late But Lose 9-6

The Houston Astros absolutely own the Angels and that shows no sign of stopping. Normally three games in a row would be a sweep, but we still have the opportunity to lose another in Houston tomorrow.

A loss can only be brutal if there was a sliver of hope for a victory. Ohtani provided that sliver with a triple in the top of the second.

The game appeared to be over when confirmed cheater Alex Bregman a crushed grand slam to put the Astros up 7-1 in the bottom of the 4th.

At that point it was really time to unload some profanities and switch to the NCAA Regionals.

Which I did until the Angels rallied back in the 7th, scoring 4 runs but leaving 2 on. The sliver of hope part two.

First Renfroe went yard.


Then Ohtani did more damage.


But alas it was all for naught as Houston extended their lead in the bottom half of the inning, stretching the score to 9-5.

A last gasp in the 9th got it to 9-6.

Right now Houston beats us with or without the trash cans. At home, on the road, or on the moon.

There’s a significant gap between the lower level teams and the actual contenders. As of now the Angels are the guy who can beat a top 10ish contender then get rutally knocked out when he fights for a title.

We get a chance to salvage a little dignity and a 3-4 road trip tomorrow morning.

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angelslogic
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Please!

HaloLew
Trusted Member
11 months ago

This series solidifies the Angels are not a postseason-caliber team as much as we all want them to be. Even if they squeak into the playoffs by some freakish and unexplained turn of events, they’ll get pummeled. They are what they are – average at best. 

I’m tired of the duct tape and bungee cord approach to building this team over the years. Blow it up, trade anyone with value, get as many assets as possible, and start over with young talent that comes from our own system. Yes, it’s going to suck for the next five years but hasn’t it sucked for the past 10 years?

And for the love of God, let’s try something new and sell high with Shohei, shall we? The Angels are always the team that buys high – Pujols, Hamilton, Rendon, and on and on and on. What do we get with this strategy? Aging veterans who have already peaked, are cashing in on past successes, sucking up much of the payroll leaving us hamstrung for years, and never coming close to matching their value.

DowningDude
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  HaloLew

Great post – however we already missed the boat to sell high on Ohtani

PedroCerrano
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Totally agree. San Diego gave up the house for Soto and the Angels could have done something similar. Love Ohtani a lot but this isn’t the NBA where a few stars make a contender.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Wonder who has been saying it since last trade deadline?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  HaloLew

You are absolutely sound and logical, and Houston is a great example to follow as you have suggested. However, I think you had already lost your argument when Arte announced his “never mind, I am not selling” last off season. So, as long as Angels are hovering around 0.500, that ain’t going to happen.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I think Arte’s MO suggest that he may be more interested with the valuation of the team than he is in operating to win. He gets shiny toys to draw and keep the revenue coming but doesn’t take an organizational approach. My guess is that he’s betting on signing Ohtani to an extension and then selling.

I think he’s going to lose on his gamble.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I swear I saw Chas McCormick closed his eyes before he took his swing.  😁 

Cowboy26
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11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I think Joyce has thrown only 2 off speed pitches during his brief MLB career both resulting in singles . We all saw the book on his fastball where he’s trying to keep it up in the zone. It’s just take it right field and let the speed of the pitch generate the power . He needs a more effective off speed pitch that the batters can’t identify so easily .

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

You just cannot teach 103MPH fastball. If he learns to throw two seamers with sinking action with command, I do not know how anyone would hit his pitches, let alone touch them.

The only worry that I have with Joyce is that throwing must force so much torque on his right shoulder and elbow. I know he already had one TJ operation. Would you trust Angels medical/training staff?

FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Oh hell yeah. Over under on TJ is 1.5 years. Jordan Hicks got it done in his second year. But the good news, this spring, Hicks registered 104 and now has 100 mph sinker. Lol. Still…with that stuff, so-so stats. These guys don’t last.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Speaking of another flame thrower is Aroldis Chapman. Has he ever had TJ surgery? According to internet, he had a surgery for facial bone after being hit by line drive and nothing else. Doesn’t mean that he can avoid the surgery as soon as he joins Angels.  😉 

Twebur
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11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Wise is on it…dont worry. Give him some time to weave his magic.
One thing we do well is developed pitchers 😀

I know this shit ain’t easy, but Wise, this organization, not likely.
He’ll throw the same pitch, the same way, until his next TJ…..it rhymes.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I learned from certain channel of east coast cable company whose name I have promised never to utter that Stephen Strasburg is shutting all baseball activities due to “severe nerve damage’ associated the surgery to fix thoracic outlet syndrome. I am afraid he is done. Only if he were 2 way like Shohei or Rick Ankeil… I am curious to hear how Boras will spin this development.

I was just watching college baseball regionals on the damned channel, I swear.

FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Agree., hoping for the best for him. Speed alone just won’t get you there.

halofansince1978
Super Member
11 months ago

Todays Lineup

Ohtani
Trout
Drury
Ward
Thaiss
Renfroe
Urshela
Rengifo
Neto

Canning

Halo Power Baby!!!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago

I am glad Neto took my advice of throwing some dirt on this bummed left foot. I like his bulldog mentality in batter’s box. If another close pitch comes his way, I trust that he will not move to get hit.

Quite surprised that Moniak is not playing for Trout, who would have gotten 2 days rest with off day tomorrow. USA Today is predicting Angels win, 4-2. Go Halos!

Last edited 11 months ago by Kiyotchan
Fansince1971
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11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

USA Today is the comic book of newspapers. But hopefully they will be right.

steelgolf
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Are they even rated that high?

Fansince1971
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11 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Calling the USA Today the comic book of newspapers is an insult to comic books!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Ha, ha. I have never paid for USA Today. Only read them because they are available free at hotels or in airplanes and what not. Do they even have their own writers, or just “copy and paste”? They must have sponsorship relationship with gambling site to increase their profit. It is amazing how quickly it became so easy to gamble on sports nationwide. In not so distance in future, we will see a MLB player/coach/umpire conspire to lose a game for side profit.

Last edited 11 months ago by Kiyotchan
Cowboy26
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11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

What’s a newspaper?

smithy610
Super Member
11 months ago

Did Moniak do something to Phil’s dog? Why is he suddenly in the doghouse? I thought this would be the perfect time to rest slumping Trout and give Moniak some bats against an RHP. It’s weird how he was benched for this whole series.

Cowboy26
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11 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Yesterday was also the perfect time since the Javier platoon splits were so pronounced and Trout sees the ball worse then Jose Feliciano in this dump

Last edited 11 months ago by Cowboy26
Twebur
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11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Depends on the artist… Jose Feliciano, you got no complaints.

https://youtu.be/Ba4iXiBFs-U

Twebur
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

This team……………🙃😀😂🤣

But then again, he could be hurt. With a mystery ailment that they haven’t disclosed yet, or are unable to diagnose. Waiting to put him on the IL “retroactive to whenever” to show how smart they are with managing the roster. Or, they are dumb and forgot he’s on the roster. Maybe they think his in SL? I mean for F’s sake, they’ve lost a catcher!! A guy on their 26-man roster has vanished. Do we trust they know what happened to Stassi?

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

So you’re saying Moniak doesn’t even know he’s sick yet ?

Now that’s TrAdition.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I understand Phillip’s logic with todays lineup construct. J.P. France has been blasted by RHBs this year both in the minors and at the major league level. In fact his total season platoon splits so far are .901 OPS vs RHB and .412 vs LHB.

So if we cant hit this Cy Rookie with this lineup today then we might as well get relegated to the Mexican League.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I am still surprised that Moniak was not inserted for Trout. If we score early and often and have comfortable lead even in middle innings, I can see Moniak coming for Trout. We should not be icing Moniak for so long.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago

I predicted Angels would go 1-3 in this series so I guess that means they have to win today…,

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Important in several fronts, avoiding 4 game sweep, going below 0.500, and most importantly preventing emergence of a new manager come Tuesday.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I’m not sure where the “new manager” narrative is coming from. Phil took over a team that was well under .500 and finished with 73 wins. If he was expected to make the playoffs this year by the Org then he was set up for failure. I doubt Perry or Arte is going to want the look of firing two managers mid-season in consecutive years. That’s a very bad look for an Organization.

Where did this rumor come from?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

CtPG is not the only place where we see these conjectures, from the certain east coast cable company whose name I have promised never to utter, to several podcasts discussing MLB, MLBTM interactive chats, and even Japanese newspaper a year ago mentioning of Bobby V taking over.

First, let’s wait till today’s game is over. If we win (and I truly think we will), then Nevin will show up on Tuesday. If we lose, let the sh’t hit the fan.

Second, I like Phil though he obviously could have done better in last few months. I think he is a typical baseball guy, pretty low key (opposite of Bobby V), but always goes all out to protect his players in his actions as well as in his verbiage. I think I would have loved to have played for him.

Last edited 11 months ago by Kiyotchan
Cowboy26
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11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

There are a lot of coaches I like. Unfortunately many of them turn out to be losers.

Phil phits this narrative.

halofansince1978
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

As a fellow Phil (we’re special) he gets a, “You’re a Good Guy!” from me.

Eric_in_Portland
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11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The Angels were 2 games under .500 when Phil became manager and finished 16 games under

DowningDude
Legend
11 months ago

Progress!

TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I do think there is a legit case for firing Matt Wise though. Going back to last year when his staff couldn’t fix Detmers or notice their pitchers tipping.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
11 months ago

Bobby Valentine is not relevant. Do you really think he can come in and bring out the best in every player?

If you think Soth or Maddon lost touch with the game, or thought Servais or Nevin couldn’t manage in-game strategy, what attributes has Valentine displayed that makes you believe that under his leadership the team will achieve different outcomes?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago

It is a bit premature to talk about change in manager until today’s game’s outcome. If we win tonight, Nevin will likely survive and will see him writing starting lineup come Tuesday.

JP France (who looks like Herget with fake mustache) is really not that good pitcher, certainly not in the same rank as McCullers/Urquidy/Garcia that he replaced. Canning is humongously superior compared to France. I like our chances of scoring early and often and Canning getting his 5th win of the season.

I previously posted that even if we lose all games against Houston, Texas and Doyers, because of remaining June schedule with likes of Cubs, Mariners, White Sox, KC, Rockies, 15-12 is still quite doable. At that pace, we will have 90 wins. If we win today, it is that much easier to get to that goal of 90 wins or better.

Heck, even USA Today is predicting 4-2 win for Angels. (They have been right in predicting Houston’s win the last 3 days.)

Last edited 11 months ago by Kiyotchan
halofansince1978
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Yesterday I ask if Nevin would get canned on the off day Thursday.

Need to amend that by asking if Nevin gets canned off day Monday.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago

I think everyone knew what you meant. I have made many typos and used wrong English phrases that people have chosen to ignore. However, when it comes to statistical numbers, I constantly feel Cowboy26 presence dissecting my post, so I double, or even triple check before I click “Post Comment”.  😁 

halofansince1978
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Hmmm…ya that guy!!

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago

Is an off day when the Angels lose or just don’t have a game scheduled? Cuz if it’s when they lose they got a whole bunch of off days

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

At least Angels players and coaches will have chance to improve their golf handicap.

halofansince1978
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Just like you said K.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago

 😂  😄  😆 

Twebur
Legend
11 months ago

It would be the most Premium Angel move ever, if they would hire Bobby F’ing Valentine 😀 trAdition!

At this point, nothing would surprise me.

FREE BENJI GIL

halofansince1978
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Benji is tha last remaining 2002 roster member…could have something there.

MikeSalmon
Super Member
11 months ago

Sandoval now 0-5 against HOU for his career, with 32 runs allowed in 34 1/3. It didn’t help that he left the bases crammed for Webb, who promptly served up a 340 foot grand slam to damned Bregman.

There are some teams that hit, pitch and field pretty well on a regular basis. We are not one of those teams. Not even close.

steelgolf
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

If you are the Angels, you should know to never, ever, pitch to Bregman, he is a well known Angel killer. You either plunk him, or walk him. One run is less than 4.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Is that you Joe Maddon?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I suggested yesterday to insert Soriano in 4th inning to start after Sandoval started to struggle in 3rd. Retrospect is 20/20, but yesterday’s game would have looked quite different if Sandoval were taken out sooner. He just didn’t look right, or Houston batters knew what was coming. Of course, Soto’s errors (aware that they were scored as hits) were huge contributing factor along with subsequent comedic brain fart miscues to eventual meltdown inning.

I liked Soriano’s outing yesterday. Hopefully he will stick as important part of Angels reliever core.

Last edited 11 months ago by Kiyotchan
frosse
Member
11 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

Wow, didn’t realize his numbers were that bad vs HOU. I thought we had a descent chance to do something in this series. Without having stats, the eye test tells me the offense is better than LY, but the pitching is either the same or worse. I think the recent bullpen moves will be a big improvement long term (Joyce and Soriano), but man, this series has been a gut check. FWIW, here are the Angels wins by starting pitcher (obviously many other factors contribute to wins):
Ohtani (12 starts / 8 team wins)
Sandoval (10/4)
Anderson (10/6)
Detmers (10/3)
Canning (8/5)

PedroCerrano
Super Member
11 months ago

This series has gone as I expected. Would have preferred to be wrong but they are a better team and prove it every time they meet.

BannedInLA
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Yeah, bro, the angle are the bottom bitch. Whatever.

Enjoy life elsewhere.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Sorry that reality intervened. They have been playing well and I didn’t think that the pitchers lined up well for our chances. Plus Houston has owned the Angels for several years.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

You gotta give it to Dusty Baker, who made the last minute change to his lineup by inserting rookie Blanco after originally announcing Valdez. I also noted that he announced his lineups much before Angels for Friday and yesterday’s games implying their dominance and confidence. He is a smart manager with skilled gamesmanship with a tinge of riverboat gambler mentality in my opinion.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago

Ohtani to the Dodgers for their #2, 3 and 4 prospects Miller, Busch and Stone. Make it happen!

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I think we would all take that deal ’71.

FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Trade Trout too, combo deal. Get Vargas and Pages.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

If we package Troutani we aint getting much back in return unless Arte wants to eat a shitpile of dough ( right now the GOAT is still owed over $275 million) Certainly not 5 of the Doyers top prospects.

FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Sad to say but I don’t think Mike can carry the team like he used to and the Dodgers have been known to eat big contracts.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Respectfully the Angels have won nothing with Trout and Ohtani on the roster. This is not a one season fluke occurrence, it’s a multi-year reality.

Baseball is a team sport. Look at the Rays – they win consistently by establishing a winning culture top to bottom in their organization. Their roster is constructed with players that have complimentary abilities. Their players are fundamentally strong. Friedman leaves, the culture endures. Their pitching staff gets injured, they plug the gaps from within and adapt. They compete on every pitch.

Winning is not accidental. Winning does not require the “best players of a generation”. Winning does not require a $300m annual payroll.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago

Yes – winning requires a solid Org from bottom to top. One that does not primarily focus on marketing like Arte and his stooges.

rosstrade
Trusted Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

It’s hard to swallow, but the Halos have to get something back for Ohtani.

Whoever they get for him, however, won’t make a huge difference.

Because the biggest team problem is its culture.

We don’t have, and Arte never developed in his tenure with the club, a winning team culture.

We don’t have a player personnel problem. Other teams are doing a lot more with less.

It’s hard for the Halos to be consistently excellent on the field when they suck in so many aspects organizationally from top to bottom…..

Brent
Super Member
11 months ago

Don’t let their record fool you, this team sucks.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Brent

The Astros? Cuz we already know about the Angels

PedroCerrano
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

37-74 versus the Astros since 2017 is actually better than I guessed. Still makes things tough.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago

Is it just me or does Bobby Valentine sound like Kermit the Frog?

nishiogawakun
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Kermit mixed with The Fonze. Not a fan

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

Ha! Exactly 😂

PedroCerrano
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

Or a bad 70s game show host. Also not a fan.

Twebur
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

not as much as District Attorney George Gascon
https://youtu.be/WR0r1mgB1OU?t=46

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Now that is awful.

FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Valentine went 69-93 in his only year in Boston, the ballclub’s worst season in almost 50 years. Backstabbing Pedroia and others did not help.

Twebur
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Yeah, but the Red Sux coaches were idiots….our coaches are……….well idiots too.

Bobby Valentine calls several of his ex-Red Sox coaches ‘complete idiots’

https://sportsnaut.com/2020/03/bobby-valentine-calls-several-of-his-ex-red-sox-coaches-complete-idiots/

Last edited 11 months ago by Twebur
Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Surely Our coaches are much much better.

(No Im not calling you surely)

FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

LOL, Booby V is in love with that dick in the mirror. Reminds me so much of Maddon. That year was such a dumpster fire.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Hasn’t had a winning MLB season since 2001. But you really blame for his next and last season at Shea since the dummies traded away his ace, Kevin Appier and then forced him to have to coach Mo Vaughn.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Bobby V is pretty damn cheap if he’s spending only $1000 a year on his main squeeze.

Rex Hudler always said Baseball players are cheapskates. His favorite saying was “If its Free its for me”

But I’m sure Bobby V is looking for a better Monetary gig if he’s paying the ex Mrs Valentine about $130,000 a year in spousal support.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

After spending few hours going over what Japanese media wrote on Bobby V:

Valentine had two managerial stints in Japan. In 1995, he managed Chiba Lotte Marines on 2 yr contract and finished surprising 2nd place in the league. Marines used to be essentially a bottom dweller team until Bobby took over, but he got fired after 1 yr due to “difference in opinion” with Marine’s GM.

He returned to Marines in 2004 and he successfully guided the team to NPB championship for the first time in 31 years in 2005. Marines attendance skyrocketed due to the success of the team and some of the innovative public relations ideas that Valentine brought to the team. Controversy started when Valentine “leaked” to Japanese media that he was negotiating multiple year contract with Marines in midseason and he was told by the management his contract would expire at the end of season. Which turned out to be a lie by Valentine (Japanese teams do not discuss contract until the end of season), but because of his popularity amongst Marines fans, the organization backed down and offered to extend Valentine’s contract by $3.6MM x 4 years. He later even got Marines to fund some money to help with Valentine’s restaurant and bar business in Stamford, CT and 25 first class round trip tickets between Boston and Tokyo annually by intimating that he was being recruited by MLB team. Honeymoon ended when new management took over the Marines, who was by then quite tired of Valentine’s manipulative schticks and fired Valentine in 2009, 2 years short of the latest contract. It is noteworthy that Marine’s fans erupted with anger when the organization announced his termination and caused a mini riot in front of Mariners headquarter, which necessitated police involvement.

I have no idea how he brought success to the Marines because he is not fluent in Japanese, but most of the players who played for him loved playing for him. As far as Angels are concerned, whatever magic potion he uses, it might work for 2/3 of a season, but his cantankerous character with sleazy, conniving tendencies will not last him more than a season and will likely be fired in midseason even if he manages to take Angels to postseason this year in my opinion.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Well unless we catch a shooting star this season is over anyways.

Twebur
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

maybe he can get elected mayor of Anaheim and get Arte another sweet ass Stadium deal.

Ex-MLB manager Bobby Valentine loses mayoral election in Connecticut, blames media

https://sports.yahoo.com/ex-mlb-manager-bobby-valentine-loses-mayoral-election-051735726.html

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Not sure Disney would approve though.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

There is The Zen of Bobby V produced by certain east coast cable company whose name I have promised not to utter at this site. I have never watched it, but it features how Valentine took this low functioning NPB team to championship in mere 2 seasons.

Last edited 11 months ago by Kiyotchan
FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Then proceeded to get ran out of Japan for suspicious and lewd behavior. So the rumors had it.

Last edited 11 months ago by FungoAle
FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

The fact he is around really does concern me that someone would even considers his input. Same feeling I had as when LaRussa was Arte’s drinking buddy.

Last edited 11 months ago by FungoAle
DowningDude
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Nobody caught this?
“Valentine’s V Plus company has licensing agreements with Sportech Venues Inc., the state’s longtime parimutuel betting company. Those agreements have generated $1.6 million in income for the Valentines from 2017 through 2020, the judge noted.

Sportech has partnered with the Connecticut Lottery Corp., as the state this year has legalized sports wagering, which is now available at Bobby V’s Restaurant & Sports Bar locations in Stamford and Windsor Locks.”

Note – he ain’t gonna be a manager. It’s a lose-lose situation. He would jeopardize his relationship with Perry’s dad and this is a toxic work environment. Just do the analyst work and call it a day.

This rumor is baseless.

Twebur
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I know a guy.

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Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

He just sold his house in Connecticut ?

Hmmmm.

clover_black
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I’m all in on this valentine conspiracy.

Twebur
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  clover_black

We are a clown show and clowning is fun, why not.
https://youtu.be/ok6pLKBD-XQ?t=70

nishiogawakun
Super Member
11 months ago

I’m primarily a fan for history’s sake, for relationships, and for some entertainment, for whatever it’s worth. I don’t know if I’m considered CtPG t shirt guy, coach dad, Deborah downer, rainbow farter, or somewhere in between. Probably over simplistic but for me, if you’re not playing good baseball you’re probably not winning, and when you’re not winning I just don’t care. Mild improvements in record aren’t good enough for my interest. Playoffs or bust. Besides, success in one year often poorly correlates to another so play like there’s not a lot of tomorrows. Other parts of my life are more nuanced, and I definitely want my kids to play competitive sports with the growth mindset, teaching them that winning is NOT even close to everything. But for this little slice of life, a little bubble of people making money off of being the pinnacle at their skill, if you’re not winning you can expect me to be disappointed. I’ll probably feel differently tomorrow but at least that’s how I feel this week.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

I still vividly remember how my oldest son loved to shoot toy basketball into 4 foot toy hoop as soon as he learned how to walk. It is amazing that I did not have to tell my sons to like baseball. (Yes I did buy baseball gloves, bats and other items for their birthday and Christmas, so I plead guilty as charged.) My love for baseball definitely came from my father who used to watch NPB on TV, always cheering against my favorite team, Yomiuri Giants. My wife and I enjoyed our sons journey with baseball, made many friends, and still talk about with them about each others’ kids to this day. I anticipate you will have with your kids similar pleasurable experiences and memories that you will cherish forever.

angelslogic
Super Member
11 months ago

DFA Soto, fire Nevin and Wise, move Trout down in the order until he gets his head straight, and dare to allow players to play even when they have a boo boo.

Cowboy26
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11 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Soto has options so they’ll just send him to the Great Salt mines . Fletcher is in the lineup tonight and hasn’t been pulled so I guess they don’t make the Soto change until returning to the Southland on Monday

Mia
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Mia
11 months ago

Just waiting on the news that the Angels are conducting a closed door meeting.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Is someone going to show is with a brand new Mohawk?

DowningDude
Legend
11 months ago

A brand new Moniak

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago

Warning : Dead manager walking..

I’m sure Perry will wait until the plane lands tomorrow night .

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Perry’s ego won’t let him fire Nevin. It would imply that it wasn’t Maddon’s fault and that firing Joe and hiring Phil was a clueless move.

Mia
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Mia
11 months ago

Phil was given the job with the expectation the team would be sold and he would exit stage left as soon as the season was over.

It’s not a failure on Perry’s part to adjust to Arte keeping the team.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago

I disagree . Nevin was interim last year he’s only a one year deal this year and Perry’s job is on the line after Arte ponied up the biggest payroll in Angel history . Nevin is toast

Last edited 11 months ago by Cowboy26
FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago

Exactly, EIP. Perry does this again in 2-straight seasons, what does that say about his ability to be a General Manager?

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I cant blame that entirely on Perry. He was pretty much forced to bring Nevin back with the impending sale.

BTW those that were clamoring for Bochy, there was NFW he was coming here with the limbo status of the team.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Count me as a clamorer

Mia
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Mia
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Benji Gil deserves a shot

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Mia

No way the Angels trust this overpriced turd with a rookie manager considering They just realized they made that mistake with Nevin .

Last edited 11 months ago by Cowboy26
Twebur
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Do you really think they’d send us a Valintine ❤️?

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Unfortunately yes . I will say he looks pretty good in person certainly does not look his age . Plus with that longtime friendship you know there’s constant discussions behind the scenes

Twebur
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Hasn’t been on the post and pregame last few days?. Figured he had a tanning appointment and a Chocolate Boost IV drip at the Drs office.
Might be right?

If that’s going to happen pull Mark Gubicza out of the booth and make him pitching coach. All done in house.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

BSW and evil Arte are probably saving money by not having him on. I betcha they would junk the whole pre and post game if they could

FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Gubi out of the booth = good
Gubi pitching coach = bad

Twebur
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Anyone but Wise.

FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I’m good with the firing of Wise but hiring another coach won’t cure hitting in clutch situations.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

If Wise then gets a job for one of the teams we are playing it might.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

What about Mr Driveline ? If hes all that cant they just promote him?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Based on the fact that Valentine was brought in as technical advisor by Minasian apparently to infuse creative outside the box thinking in Angels organization, and Minasian’s father being close friend of Valentine from Boston Red Sox days, this is credible logical step that Minasian would take if they decide to fire Nevin. And Minasian is desperate to try anything to turn this season around. Just look at Phillies of last year, who sent Joe Girardi to unemployment office on June 2.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

His Texas days Kiyo

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Shoot, I know I should have double checked. I have not learned.

Mia
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Mia
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Why not? Arte has trusted it to rookie GMs, and we are constantly trusting it to guys like Wise with questionable credentials.

A guy with experience would push back on the bosses like Maddon and Sosh did.

Might be right on brand.

Last edited 11 months ago by Mia
Cowboy26
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11 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Not if he’s a long time trusted family friend of the GM’s

Last edited 11 months ago by Cowboy26
Twebur
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Sounds good to me, why not. Good chunk of the season left to see if he should come back next year.

JackFrost
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Mia

I’d like that. Definitely would be better than Nevin.

Mia
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Mia
11 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Jack! We finally agreed on something. I knew we could do it eventually!

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FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Hard pass

DowningDude
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Instead of a Mohawk, he’ll don sunglasses after an ejection. Valentine would continue the 3-ring circus that this franchise embodies

FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

LOL. There is nobody on the coaching staff that is deserves a managerial position including that guy in there now. Arte will make sure they ride this out and wait for the off-season to see what happens with Ohtani. Perry’s job is more insecure than Phillip’s.

Fansince1971
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Shot of what?

FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Tennessee whiskey

FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Nothing will happen until seasons end. When Ohtani walks, they all go.

Twebur
Legend
11 months ago

It’s getting harder to watch the same old shit year after year.

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DowningDude
Legend
11 months ago

Haven’t heard anyone on this board mentioning Bobby Valentine as a possible Nevin replacement.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Are you baiting me, sir?

DowningDude
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Valentine was rode hard out of Boston, that was a horrible hire. Players did not trust him or like playing for him.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Kiyotchan Has multiple times

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago

You could have added “ad nauseam“. You are kind.

Twebur
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Fire Wise? The plane is circling, waiting for decent. Just get rid of him already. I have as much influence sitting in my house miles away from the Big A, that Wise does with these pitchers. A useless nothing burger, with no cheese. The same problem with the same pitchers, repeatedly, game after game. We see more regression, than improvement, or at best stagnation. I know it’s not a new hot opinion, just do it now and get the process started. He should be let go sooner than later. I’ll be bold, it will (should) happen this coming Monday morning. And his replacement will have a tuff task in front of him. Someone needs to step in and fix the (control-command-2 out-strike throwing issues) that all these young kids have. We appear to have some talented arms that need to learn how to pitch. Godspeed Perry. If you don’t fix this problem, you might join him in October.

A question that has been asked many times, brought up again today by GPB in the game thread….Who is calling the pitches? (outside of Shohei and Anderson who call their own, not sure that is a good thing either)
Who called pitches today for Sandaval, Webb, Sammy, and Joyce?
Was it the Catchers? Wise? Phillip? Pitchers? Perry? A Computer? DowningDude?

How did the Ass’tros accomplish that task today? How much of this is poor scouting?

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Right now it seems as if the Asstros are calling our pitches .

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Which leads to this question. How do we know Houston are not listening to Pitch Com communication between Angels battery? It is not beneath them to find the same wave length that is being used and steal “signs” and communicate them to their batters.

I am no engineer, but it does not seem that difficult to obtain the information on the frequency/wave length of radio signal that is being used.

Last edited 11 months ago by Kiyotchan
Twebur
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

If they are doing that, it would make me feel a lot better about the suckage this weekend.

FungoAle
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Question is, why aren’t the Angels stealing signs, effectively? Astros don’t have to cheat, see 2022. Pitching staff is tough.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
11 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Shohei summed it up perfectly. Houston is a team that battles with sound strategy that every player adheres to and execute it well even in small number of scoring opportunities.

It is kind of my warped nature to plant a seed of controversy mostly for entertainment purpose. But your question is well taken in that why did not Wise or Nevin recognize Jose Suarez was tipping his pitches.

Houston’s Valdez/Javier/McCullers/Garcia/Urquidy of 2022 was probably one of the best starting rotation in MLB history. Brown was a good addition, but France and Bielak not so much. Significant drop from last year’s staff and probably will not win them AL West crown this season. I fully anticipate Texas to continue their pace and win AL West.

Last edited 11 months ago by Kiyotchan
Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Didnt you forget Verlander?

Twebur
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Ahhhh, Scouting…..tell me more.
Honestly, it’s not just Houston, everyone seems to know what’s coming. How we are going to pitch them and our own offensive approach.

Not proud of this but I’m a PTSD Browns Fan Survivor…way more intelligent people than me constantly said that the Browns were (years ago) the most easily scouted team in the NFL, year after year. Opponents new exactly what we were going to run, how and when we were going to do it. All because of shitty coaches, shit coordinators, shit scouting.

I’m suspecting the same here. One of the most important elements to the game is lacking, big time…blame cheap Arte I guess.

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Which Browns? the original or the copy cat version? Both have been epically stellar

Twebur
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Both. Life long, born and raised, stupid father…hate that guy, and he was a Doyer fan. Angels and Browns, two combined towers of suckage, year after year.

The Factory of Sadness Donkey.

At least its not Detroit.

DowningDude
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

hey-O!!!!

Cowboy26
Legend
11 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Well not in the last hour anyways .