LA Angels Thursday News Crash: X-Ray

MLB just took over the Padres broadcasts after Diamond Sports Group missed a payment. The Padres say there will be direct to consumer streaming available with no blackouts.

Brandon Drury will get an X-ray after being hit on the wrist by a pitch in the ninth inning on Tuesday. Phil Nevin says he is doing OK.

Clayton Kershaw is unhappy about the Dodgers re-inviting The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence to Pride Night although he says that he will not boycott the event. He pushed the Dodgers to announce Christian Faith and Family Day. He says his decision to do that has “nothing to do with the LGBTQ community or Pride or anything like that.” Anthony Bass of the Blue Jays posted something anti-LGBTQ on his Instagram feed and was apologizing within a day.

Riley Greene of the Tigers has a stress fracture in his left fibula and Jake Marisnick had his contract selected in response to that. The Yankees placed center fielder Harrison Bader on the injured list with a right hamstring strain. Justin Steele of the Cubs has the dreaded forearm tightness.

The Phillies and veteran reliever Jacob Barnes agreed on a minor league contract as Barnes continues to try to claw his way back up to the bigs. Aaron Hicks got a new gig with the Orioles. Apparently this is because Cedric Mullins is now officially on the injured list.

The Portland Pickles say they have surpassed the season attendance figure of the Oakland As. I guess it was Run The Bases Night up in Oakland.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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angelsown3417
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3 months ago

Hopefully we have a lead tonight so we can introduce the Astros to 105 MPH of Ben Joyce. Let’s go!!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  angelsown3417

If we are leading in the 7th inning, then in my opinion, it is going to be Devenski, Joyce, and Estevez for 7,8, and 9th inning respectively.

Pineapple12
Super Member
3 months ago

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1664351536565174274?t=z40Jx5W7J_nLE4k0keYrsg&s=19

Detmers vs Blanco(?)
Ohtani vs Valdez
Sandoval vs Javier
Canning vs France

Sets up as well as it possibly could for us to win 3/4. At worst, we better split.

Last edited 3 months ago by Pineapple12
JackFrost
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3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Yes, I just posted it below. I think Baker wanted Valdez to match up with Ohtani. Javier on Saturday… It just makes the first three games really, really tough.

Pineapple12
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I’ll like our chances tonight, despite going up against another CY Rookie.

Kudos to Dusty wanting to matchup Ohtani and Valdez! Instead of saying it’s a guaranteed loss vs Valdez, we are going ace vs ace. I love it.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

CY Rookies tear us apart… Not sure this will be better than Valdez.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I think Baker is betting for Detmers falling apart tonight. He is a riverboat gambler though he has proven himself over the years pretty well as a sly crap shooter, going for yo 11 at 15:1 odd with lot of chips at his hand.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I think you are right Kiyo. IF Detmers does fall apart then he should win even with Blanco. That THEN gives him a better chance to win Friday with Valdez. If Astros start the series 2-0 they are on their way to pretty easy sweep …

And need I add, we are buried and begin talking about 2024.

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PedroCerrano
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3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

The Astro’s seemingly never ending supply of quality arms is pretty relentless. They seem to outlast the Angels in that regard and eventually find their way to the soft underbelly of whichever less than ideal reliever gets inserted. Their lineup also does a nice job of wearing out the opposition starter to get to those guys. Wish I didn’t loathe them quite so much as it must be fun to be a fan

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

I remember them being accused of tanking for few years (103 L in 2013), but they have turned it around and have built near dynasty team past 6 seasons without holding onto would be expensive players like Verlander and Correa. Pretty impressive front office and scouting department. Probably could a write a book on how to build a championship team from floundering at the bottom one in a relatively short period of time.

Just to whet your appetite, I made my famous chicken katsu (coated by flour, egg, and Italian bread crumb) using air fryer to enjoy during my viewing of the game tonight. I wish I could share them with you. Sprinkled with little bit of lemon juice in the chicken and dill pickle with spiced mayo in toasted bun make those Popeye sandwiches feel inferior and ashamed. 😆

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red floyd
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3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Because they WERE tanking. And to be fair, they are the only team that managed to play the tanking game properly.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  red floyd

I NEVER understood all the teams tanking. Sure, the Astros did it right by SPENDING on development. All the other tank teams from the 2010s flopped. Why? Because no matter how good your coaching and scouts and system etc 90% of your draft picks, even top 5 picks, amount to squat.

Why did ANY of these POBOs think that this was a great plan? The Cubs. That’s why. And the Cubs were good because…. they didn’t rely on the draft and got other teams top upper minors prospects. The Astros went the draft rout and got very lucky.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

This change made me look at the last time they pitched against each other on May 9. This is when Okey got called up to replace Wallach for concussion protocol. I distinctly recall that Shohei could/did not use sweepers and splits because this was the first time Okey caught Shohei. I am somewhat disappointed that we will not see Valdez tonight with tired arm, but we will see a great game, ace vs ace, tomorrow. Shohei must remember not to throw anything but heaters against his BFF Maldonado.

halofansince1978
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3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Sneaky Dusty…that is a change from earlier.

May have just pulled a veteran move on Nevin.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago

I would not doubt it coming from cheating Asstros, but Nevin hedged the lineup by inserting Ward instead of Moniak, so there is that.

Las Vegas odds went from Houston -240 to -145, so they think that the game will be tighter.

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JackFrost
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3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

They were never -240. I tracked it from last night. The highest they got was -217. They had been -212… Mid morning they dropped to -181. THEN of course after the Blanco move the line moved to Astros -149.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Doesn’t USA Today publish Las Vegas odds? Because I read the number this morning by their site, but it could also be my eyes, too. I stand corrected. Really have to be careful knowing you and Cowboy26 are lurking. If you are the smart bettor, would you take Houston at -145 or over 9 for total score. I would take Angels at +130 and over 9 for parlay.

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PedroCerrano
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3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Parker Mushinski – Got to know what his clubhouse tag is: Mushy? ParMush? Hinski?

These are the type of questions that really matter, all else is folly.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago

To continue my superstitious streak:

Starting lineup:

Ward LF
Trout CF
Ohtani DH
Drury 2B
Thaiss C
Renfroe RF
Urshela 3B
Walsh 1B
Neto SS

Nevin chose Thaiss bat over Wallach and more emphasis on Walsh defense.

Go Halos!

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cookmeister
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3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I think Thaiss and Walsh are in because they’re lefties, not any other reason really,

Kiyotchan
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3 months ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Why did Nevin pick Ward over Moniak then?

Pineapple12
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3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Lineup came out before Astros starter news broke. Ward is also hot, makes sense to start him imo

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I smell a little of conspiracy here that Houston deliberately withheld information until Angels posted their starting lineup. They first informed MLB that their starting pitcher as Framber Valdez and shortly after Angels starting lineup became official, Houston switched the starter.

I suppose if Angels wanted Moniak in lead off spot, they still have time to change that.

JackFrost
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3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Yeah, since Valdez a lefty and Blanco RH it could mess with your batting matchups.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Perhaps Nevin kinda knew that there may be a last minute change and explains why Ward is inserted instead of Moniak by hedging his bet.

cookmeister
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3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

because ward is hot

Kiyotchan
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3 months ago
Reply to  cookmeister

I also forgot Valdez is lefty which makes me go back to questions why Thaiss and Walsh were inserted. I still maintain Nevin selecting Thaiss bat and Walsh defense. Nevin thinking that it was going to be Blanco, it makes sense. Another factor is resting Wallach for tomorrow to catch Shohei even though Wallach has also been the designated catcher for Detmers.

Pineapple12
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I think Ward was starting today regardless.

Thaiss too, because Wallach is catching Sho tomorrow.

Walsh for the value he brings defensively, and he swung a good bat yesterday.

Or … maybe Nevin had an inkling the Stros were moving around their rotation ? That gives Nevin quite a bit of credit that frankly he hasn’t earned lol

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I think you are right. I know we like aiming our anger at Nevin, but he might have been hedging the lineup by keeping Ward as leadoff instead of Moniak, in which case he deserves praise from us. Either way, the lineup looks fantastic in intimidating this almost rookie pitcher for Asstros.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

That’s a great news since he has been swinging a hot bat lately. I like him hitting after Shohei instead of Renfroe who has been struggling lately. I hope Renfroe does find his bat soon.

halofansince1978
Super Member
3 months ago

Todays Lineup:

Ward
Trout
Ohtani
Drury
Thaiss
Renfroe
Urshela
Walsh
Neto

Detmers

Halo Power Baby!!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago

You were 15 seconds quicker than I was. I probably should take a remedial course on typing.  😉 

halofansince1978
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3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Only because I hadn’t started my nap yet.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago

I like that they dropped Trout’s Twin down to 6th. He was killing us with his GIDP’s in the 4 hole…

2002heaven
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3 months ago

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One hell of a field manager!! 👍  👍  👍 ………I’m glad we stuck with him.
BTW go CSF Titans!!

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TrojanBoiler
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3 months ago
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Twebur
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3 months ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

It’s Rooster. Only with a different hat. And an eye patch.

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halofansince1978
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3 months ago

Framber on the bump for the cheaters tonight,

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago

Thank you for the update. I think it was between Valdez and Blanco. I hope to see Valdez of 5 days ago, he did not look too hot after only 4 day rest. And when he pitches tonight, it is after only 4 day rest. I am still waiting for official starting lineup.

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cookmeister
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3 months ago

nope

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  cookmeister

MLB site at first listed Valdez. If more than one person saw that, I was not hallucinating. Well, I have not taken my med yet, so it is arguable.

Baker may have thought the benefits of going to 6 man rotation outweighs the risk of going with essentially rookie pitcher with no proven record tonight. He is a riverboat gambler.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago

Watching Women’s College World Series and rewatching Shohei’s second homerun yesterday at least 10 times put me in euphoric phase transitioning into Delusional Hyperbole.

Knowing in every Olympics both Japan and USA almost routinely compete for gold medals in baseball and softball (I am aware IOC is anti-baseball/softball). To promote continuance of good DNA inheritance for future MLB players, how about having all day all night party for those select players without condoms? I think that’s the best way to have any chance at all of seeing someone like Shohei in this century again.

Should I take any additional dose of antipsychotic?

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Twebur

This is just a textless blank tweet. The Angels have no farm and no real prospects. There can’t be anything to create written language about.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago

Still no words on Houston’s starter and I guess I missed on this Jeff Fletcher’s twitter last night:

https://twitter.com/Chandler_Rome/status/1664017297667702786

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Yes, it is now Blanco.

I am not sure whether to be happy or sad about this. Sometimes the young studs coming up have alot of energy and surprise the opposition. Blanco had good numbers down on the Farm : from FanDuel :

“Blanco was recalled from Triple-A Sugar Land on Thursday, Brian McTaggart of MLB.com reports.ANALYSIS:Blanco will make his first major-league start Thursday against the Angels. The 29-year-old has posted a 0.56 ERA and 21:13 K:BB over 16 innings covering two starts and two relief appearances at Sugar Land this season and a 4.50 ERA in nine relief outings with Houston. He would figure to be on a relatively limited pitch count Thursday.”

That said, I am happy we don’t have to face Valdez who has KILLED us in the past. Maybe we do actually have a chance tonight ?

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Twebur
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3 months ago

Noah- You can’t take the Angel out of the Doyer
Anderson – You can’t keep the Doyer in the Angel

https://sports.yahoo.com/dodgers-noah-syndergaard-says-hed-give-my-hypothetical-firstborn-to-regain-his-old-form-172349172.html

Kiyotchan
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3 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Only time will tell, but so far it certainly looks better that Perry decided to move on from Thor, but Tyler’s poor performance at last outing narrowed the “profit” margin.

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FungoAle
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3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Dude, Thor is done. It was visible last year. $20M mistake and a compensation pick and now, Anderson. I can appreciate Perry trying to sign talent, but leave the draft pick out of it seeing that we are in the bottom fourth n farm system rankings.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I was strictly looking at it from relative damage level. Angels have been LESS hurt with Anderson signing than Thor retention. Anderson has been disappointing, and I am sure many would suggest many names that we could have signed off season.

55yearsangelsfan
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3 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Don’t forget – we got Moniak for Thor. Sure, he was overpaid, but Moniak looks better than most second round picks.

BruinsAngelsKings
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3 months ago

True. That might end up being another Angels beneficial trade with Philly.

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JackFrost
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3 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Good thing he is sucking for the Doyers this year and NOT us. Perry got that one right.

MarineLayer
Super Member
3 months ago

Should we be interested? Wallach and Thaiss have been doing a good job.

According to Chris Cotillo of MassLive.com, Jorge Alfaro is using the opt-out clause in his minor league contract with the Red Sox. The Red Sox have 48 hours to add Alfaro to the active roster before he hits free agency, but it appears unlikely there’s a fit for him with the big club. The 29-year-old is batting .320/.364/.523 with six homers and four steals through 42 games this season for Triple-A Worcester and shouldn’t struggle for opportunities once he hits free agency. 

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

I don’t see anything wrong with MOAR CADJUR. I like who we have but guys get hurt. Trouble is I doubt Alfaro wants to be stashed in AAA and we don’t have space for him.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago

I agree. Angels 40 man roster contains Chris Okey, who was not so great when Chad Wallach had concussion protocol, and Max Stassi, with whom we have no idea when or whether he returns. I cross my fingers to keep both Thaiss and Wallach healthy for the remainder of the season, but I only have 10 fingers to cross.

angelsown3417
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3 months ago

Let’s kick some Trashtros ass! No backing down!

Twebur
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3 months ago
BruinsAngelsKings
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3 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Such a stupid experiment to begin with and if I had to guess, will have set some pitchers and hitters back a bit.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I am aware that MLB has relationship with Rawlings and Costa Rica, but I do not know why Manfred continues to refuse use of NPB sponsored baseballs made by Mizuno. I have not heard any complaints from former MLB players who played in Japan. I know that Tristan Casas was raving about Mizuno baseballs when he played for Team USA in Tokyo Olympics, (where Japan defeated USA in gold medal match-I had to needle some of avid Team USA fans whenever I have a chance  😉 )

PedroCerrano
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3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I always preferred the Diamond (D1 I think?) official NCAA college ball. The seams were tighter, felt slightly smaller and while it maybe didn’t spin/break quite as hard as a great Rawlings MLB ball the quality was way more consistent.

From what guys told me, that ball was close to the NPB ball.

BTW: I’d love to see Team USA face Japan in a MLB mid season July tournament. I’d guess that it would look different.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

MLB hit a huge jackpot this March. MLB and teams owners were pleasantly surprised how profitable it turned out to be. It will be interesting how MLB/Manfred will fine-tune to make the product better. I think I read somewhere that MLB did consider some sort of tournament style games in the middle of the season, but I am afraid, most, if not all, of the owners will vehemently oppose to the idea. We just have to wait until the next WBC in 3 years.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago

A random question of the day: Should Detmers pitch to Yordan Alvarez or should he essentially IBB him today? His split BA against lefties is scary 0.318 with 5HR and 8 double.

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago

I guess I can’s copy and paste directly out of MLBTR. They featured Angels vs Asstros series this morning. They noted that Houston has not announced today’s (and rest of the series) starting pitcher. They believe that they will bring another totally different starting pitcher to convert to 6 man rotation.

Our old friend Kole Calhoun has opted out of MFYankee’s deal. Any chance that Kole may be back with Angels?

Cowboy26
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3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

no

Kiyotchan
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3 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I like short and sweet answer.

red floyd
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3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Much as I love the Red Baron, his ship has sailed.

Mikeal1st
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3 months ago

Went to the A’s game yesterday and it wasn’t that bad, especially getting to the 6th row behind home plate in the 6th. Other than a sunburn and having to drive through the worst homeless encampment I’ve ever seen, the park was nice. It’s not Angel stadium by a long shot but it was worth one visit.

JackFrost
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3 months ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

“…the park was nice..”

Really? That stadium has to be the ugliest one in MLB. Hands down.

Crcnme20
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3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Of all the stadiums I have visited Tampa takes home the worst stadium in baseball to me. Oakland’s outskirts are terrible, that I will agree with. But inside the stadium it’s an enjoyable place to me. Tampa on the other hand is a train wreck. The team is great but that venue they play in is awful.

MarineLayer
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3 months ago
Reply to  Crcnme20

San Francisco outskirts are horrific as well, it feels that the homeless outnumber the fans. Bay Area is an urban hellscape.

BruinsAngelsKings
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3 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Partly why I am NOT pushing to head to SF for a work conference in September.

MarineLayer
Super Member
3 months ago

Smart. I live here, and would leave yesterday, but for my wife.

Twebur
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3 months ago
Reply to  Crcnme20

A historic, newer, upgraded/refurbished (Dodger Stadium, Chi-Sox, Blue Jays), new-generation baseball-only stadium…that comprises every stadium in MLB, except for Angels, Oakland, and TB.

After moving, Oakland is off that list in a few years. That leaves us and TB. More likely IMHO that the Angels and TB move before getting a new stadium.
Let me know if and when they have a shovel in the ground.

Mikeal1st
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3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Nice, not great. My rankings of MLB parks I’ve been to so far..

  1. SF
  2. Angels
  3. Assttos
  4. Petco
  5. LAD
  6. Oakland

Just nice. It’s still a ballpark and not skid row.
I didn’t get Angry.

halofansince1978
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

I’ve been to 19 major league stadiums.

Worst…Kingdome. Best is the Big A.

But I am just a little bit biased. `;~}}}

Chavez Latrine does get a good vote.

Best food was Coors Field for sure.
.
I would just call Tropicana oddball.

Really liked Candlestick. (daytime)

Old Tiger Stadium smelled like a bar.

Jack Murphy was a classic vs Angels.

Oakland was great before enclosure.

Did the spectator tour at Wrigley Field.

Only nine to go…but some other time..

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago

It is still a part of my bucket list to visit more baseball parks (I was going to say all, but based on what I read today, I know which one is not to). Two points to add:

Safeco field (no longer named that way) in Seattle is a beautiful ball park, near Pikes Place, and one of the best place to visit during summer.

Wrigley Field was my first MLB game that I watched almost 50 years ago. It was between Cubs and Mets, one team was in the celler and the other right above the bottom, can’t remember which. I think there were only two divisions in each league. Beautiful afternoon in Chicago, and I understand many things have changed since then.

halofansince1978
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3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I still need to do Fenway and MFY Stadium.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago

I used to go to school in NYC in my 20’s. Can you believe that I was able to get into Yankees stadium for mere $2 for outfield bleacher? I used subway to get there (I think fare was only a quarter then), but I would probably not do that now. I would not feel too safe around the stadium especially at night.

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Mikeal1st
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3 months ago

I’m doing Fenway in a couple months. I can’t wait!

2GA2Join
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3 months ago

For as much glory as Fenway gets, I went there once and the seats were narrower than on British Airways. It was the most cramped baseball seating I’ve ever seen.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2GA2Join

Yeah. They are famous for that. “Are you not a guy that is average size for 1932? No problem, buy a seat and walk around for three hours at Fenway!”

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago

Oakland USED to be really good. It was alot different. I saw a game there in probably 83′ or 84.’ The current stadium does not cater to baseball but rather to football. It is an ugly eyesore of a stadium that is all concrete and metal. Dull colors, cold, dreary.

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Mikeal1st
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3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

A couple people, all nice, told me the Raiders ruined the stadium by building the monstrosity in the outfield. It was pretty over bearing.

Mikeal1st
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3 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Such a great AAA player.

Pineapple12
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3 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

All Adell needs to do is keep grinding and developing his game. He turned 24 in April and will have another shot in majors next season, whether with us or another organization.

Hopefully he finds success as a Halo eventually.

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Mikeal1st
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3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

A trade would be nice because it also means the team is still trying to improve.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Twebur

Dude’s lookin strong. Sure, it’s SLC, but that was a line drive HR to very opposite field. Not cheap. I like that the Angels and Jo are sticking to the plan. Go to AAA. Work work work. Get that plate approach as close to 2nd nature as they can. Play many OF innings. Hope he doesn’t vapor lock when he comes back to MLB.

It’ll be a big deal if Adell works out and he’s likely to get a shot if any of our OF get hurt. Sheee it that’s a lot of HR even if it is AAA/SLC.

Twebur
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3 months ago

We all have our own personal and stupid player opinions, and our stupid groupthink here at CTPG…one of the dumbest is that officially, with certainly, Jo Adell can’t ever be a major contributor to this team, soon, or in the near future. And that if we trade him it’s for a Donkey, probably a Sad Donkey.

Free Jo!

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BruinsAngelsKings
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3 months ago

Renfore is also only signed thru this season. That might play into if they decide to keep or trade Adell.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I think that’s a factor, especially if they intend to try to pay Ohtani.

BruinsAngelsKings
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3 months ago

I’m firmly in the sign the once-in-a-generation talent camp. Of course, Shohei has a say in this as well. It would really suck to see him play somewhere else.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago

You may have seen me post this previously, but there is an up and coming team in Hokkaido Japan. Yes, Nippon Ham Fighters, where Shohei started as professional two way player. The NPB team is actually doing relatively well this year, kinda simulating Angels of this season. They have not done anything since Shohei left, so it would be absolutely a dream of mine if Shohei declared that he would return to Japan. Of course, I would love to hear the sound of all those jaws of east coast pundits drop to the floor with big thump.

red floyd
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3 months ago

Will the Doyers also have Jewish Faith and Family day? How about Islamic Faith and Family day?

AnAngelsFan
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3 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

They ought to just compromise and have Faith and Family day.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  AnAngelsFan

This could be cool…. but the “recognize” portion of the game could take an hour and someone would still feel slighted and sue you.

Mikeal1st
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3 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

I can’t understand why businesses get involved in any debatable issues. It’s bad business. When I look for a tenant, I don’t care about anything but can you maintain the property and pay rent.

TrojanBoiler
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3 months ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

Completely agree. Its so incredibly polarized right now that you are asking for trouble. Any decision you make will likely be praised by 30% of people and criticized by 30% of people. Everyone is so sensitive about everything right now, on both the right and the left.

Eric_in_Portland
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3 months ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

I didn’t hear about any proposed boycott re: Country Music weekend.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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These “flavored” nights are probably the best bet. Beer companies should just make beer that goes in peoples mouths. Car companies should just make cars that roll faster than a horse can run. Baseball teams should put on baseball games 81 times. If they want to do “country night” and “disco night” and “safari night” and “Star Wars night” that’s probably safe fun as well.

There will always be someone who is angry that they don’t do “Jewish Buddhist Arm Wrestler night” or what ever but it shouldn’t get too out of hand.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  red floyd

How about just no days at all? This is a perfect example of how all good roads eventually lead to shit. You celebrate some obvious stuff first, maybe moms, dads people who died in wars. Then you need to validate anyone who served in the military in any way. OK. And boyscouts and girlscouts and little league kids. Alright. But give it fifteen years and, since everyone has a voracious need for validation, you have to have a night for cops, then fire fighters, then nurses, then teachers, administrative workers, fisherpeople, other people who do their jobs, hikers, bikers, scrap bookers, various people who fk various people, all the religions, drag queens, fan fiction authors, every single race, dog people, cat people… it’s not the teams’ fault really.

It’s more that society used to be full of people that were comfortable with the idea that some specific groups get a little “ataboy!” from the rest of us once a year and the rest of us don’t. And that’s OK. Now it’s a constant negative shit show and I wish everything recognized no one in any special way. If a person or group does anything all that special it kind of stands out on its own anyway in daily life. If you’re going “unrecognized” it is highly likely it is because you aren’t special and what you do isn’t overly important. Sure, teams make money off special days with special hats to sell etc but for the fans it just seems like more ass ache than fun at this point.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago

Well put, Gritcho-Sensei. Glaring omission by all major sporting teams when they promote certain ethnic groups: WASP.

I am aware that I can say that because I am not a bee. (Little daddy joke)

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Kiyotchan

True dat. When are we gonna have “White Mutt” night? Also, when are all you racists from other races going to learn to tell the difference between a Swede, a German, a Brit, a Russian, an Irishman and a Polish person? I’m tired of the oppression.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago

How did you know my wife is half Irish half Polish who claims she is Jewish because she was born in New York City? You must have a super prophet like vision! Is it 2000/20?

2GA2Join
Trusted Member
3 months ago

Didn’t the Angels (or was it some other team) had an event planned in the minors for some tongue-in-cheek “Caucasian day” a few years back where they were going to have hotdogs and beer (jesting about typical white-folks food in America) but there was a huge outrage and it got cancelled?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

You made my point. Travesty of so called equal rights and fairness.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2GA2Join

I am outraged because my peoples are all from 4000 miles away from the Caucuses.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
3 months ago

But the Dutch are easy to spot

matthiasstephan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Wooden shoes and wearing orange?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Marcotor

Cause their eyes glow in the dark

BruinsAngelsKings
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

 😂 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Charles Sutton

A co-worker and I were just talking… we need a uncomfortable workboot night.

Fansince1971
Legend
3 months ago

27 games in June

15-12 is the goal

7-7 in the first 14 would not be terrible

I could realistically see

1-3 v Houston @ Houston
2-1 v Cubs @ Angels
2-1 v M’s @ Angels
2-2 v Texas @ Texas

I could live with that. Anything better would be a bonus

So I don’t put as much importance on the Houston series as some of you

Pineapple12
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I don’t think 15-12 will get it done in what will most likely be our “easiest” month left on the schedule.

We are chasing the Rangers, Orioles, Yankees, and Astros — all very, very, very good teams.

Have to take advantage in June.

Fansince1971
Legend
3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Just trying to be somewhat realistic and then hope for a good surprise.

Pineapple12
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I feel you. I don’t expect 18 wins this month, just seems like that is the number to keep pace 🙈

Fansince1971
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3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

As I’ve said – I’m not desperate for the playoffs. Over .500 is quite a move in the right direction. Then hopefully the youth movement brings them over the top in ‘24 or ‘25

Cowboy26
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3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

or ’26 or ’27 or ’28…..

I wish I had your patience.

steelgolf
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I remember when that magic “load up and be ready for a playoff run “ date was 2016! The Angels have made the playoffs 10 times in 63 seasons.

Pineapple12
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Holy, that’s depressing

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  steelgolf

I know. CtPG guy has Lakers fan demands but he’s rooting for a totally different animal.

Which is why I have regularly mentioned that the Dodgers are there for them. They’re basically Dodgers fans in all but name…. go put on The Blue. Be free. Stop with all the “PTSD” bullshit. If it hurts you so bad when your cat won’t bark like a dog, go get a dog idiot.

Pineapple12
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

respect that.

Personally, I came in to the season fully aware that this might be (probably is) Shohei’s last season with us, unless we have some sort of triumphant playoff run.

Perry built us a good team with the intention to compete and I, for one, am desperate for the playoffs. It’s been much too long

Fansince1971
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3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s weird. I’m kind of over Ohtani. Pretty sure he’s gone so I’ve moved on. Wish him well. Amazed by his historic accomplishments – but I am not married anymore to the idea of his being an Angel. I’m focused on the core of young players. I feel something brewing like I felt in 2000.

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Pineapple12
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I don’t want to make the playoffs for Ohtani. I just want to make the f’ing playoffs again lol.

and not to be a Debby downer… have you considered the following:

1. Angels miss playoffs
2. Ohtani leaves
3. Arte fires Perry
4. Arte continues his reign of terror

Whatever excitement I too feel towards our young core, it doesn’t hold a candle to my excitement over a possible playoff appearance with Trout, Ohtani and this team.

Fansince1971
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3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I can’t let my mind spin like that. If it happens- it happens. The sun will still come out. Or maybe not here in So Cal 😃

Arte is something none of us can control. So why worry about him?

BruinsAngelsKings
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

What is this sun you speak of?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

That is the healthiest way of thinking, sir!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Have you considered that the team could make the play offs but then their plane could crash en rout?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Let’s say Arte made a huge gamble that if Angels win World Series this year and Ohtani re-signs, Arte would make noodles and oodles of money by selling the team at that time.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Curious part of being #1 Shohei apologist and bandwagon Angels fan in me makes me ask this question, sir.

Was Ohtani joining Angels a blessing or curse?

Are you wishing that Ohtani did NOT choose Angels even if he would contribute to this year’s run to a playoff spot.


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Fansince1971
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3 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I’ve loved having Ohtani on the Angels. Have not regretted it for a minute. I’ve just resolved myself that he won’t be here next year.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Thank you for your honest answer. Many intelligent true Angels fans on this sight taught me with their logic that future success of this team is not congruent with Ohtani’s $500+MM/10+ year contract. All you need to see is Tampa Bay Rays and damn Houston Asstros who year after year put out contending team without signing mega dollar long term contract.

If this turns out to be just one amazing year of Angels making a playoff and seeing Trout and Ohtani on the team aiming for World Series ring, I think that many people would call that a success. Whatever happens after that, no one knows, and right now, I really do not care. I care more about today’s win.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Ohtani staying would be in the finest trAdition.

What makes ANYONE think Ohtani will not decline as he ages, unless he gets “help” from a needle? Do we really want the payroll saddled again, ala’ Grandpa Pujols, paying Ohtani $54 million when he’s 41 and can’t pitch, hits .237 but zOMG HR’s!!!!!!!

It’s like everyone suddenly develops amnesia with Ohtani and that players naturally decline as they age.

A playoff run would be great. But I don’t give one poop if that’s the reason Ohtani stays, and attaches an anchor to the payroll for the next 10-12 seasons. We all know the likely outcome of $500MM deal, just don’t want to face it because Ohtani “our” Unicorn.

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Pineapple12
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

I won’t argue that Ohtani’s next contract won’t hurt in the latter years. Most, if not all, of these type of decade-long deals age poorly.

With that said, resigning the universally-accepted best player in the game would not be as crippling as you are trying to make it out to be.

The highly-intelligent Dodgers’ front office wouldn’t be preparing said offer this off-season to Shohei if they think it would be an anchor on their franchise

Marcotor
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Please don’t toss me into the Ohtani hater camp. I would love if he decided to stay here, and am appreciative of his talents, as he truly is a once in a century kind of player. Today. It reminds me of all the Trout OMG GOAT posts, and while his HOF credentials are secure, he has a ways to go to be considered the GREATEST EVAH!!!!

And I wasn’t speaking for the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Red Sox, or anyone else. There are certainly teams that have the revenue might to weather his later years, should Ohtani prove to be human and decline (which as of now, no player has managed to beat).

I would have preferred the off-season moves were to actually compete and not placate any one player, Trout included. That’s rose glasses thinking, I know, but I am still not convinced Ohtani stays if the Angels grab the a WC spot and go 3 and out.

Nor do I believe in “easy access to flights”, “da beachez” “Trout”, or any other of the wishful reasons he will stay.

We ALL pointed to the Albertross as a reason for a lot of the suckage during his time here, so I will ask again:

What is it about Ohtani that makes one think 12/550 for Ohtani will be any different than past Angel long-term commitments? Unicorn? He already had TJ, but 2d TJ’s are common these days. It just seems that some fans think Ohtani will be hitting 45HR and winning Cy Youngs in the 2nd half of the contract, because feelz.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Pineapple12

I think if we limp into the play offs and then manage to extend Ohtani for ten years that’ll probably hurt us in the longer term. If that 10/63 number is depressing you then making the play offs this year solely so we can keep Shohei is probably not gonna make you happy long term.

What are we REALLY enjoying this year? Fresh farm product, players that have performed solidly brought in by an FO that scouted them well, and depth. Paying Shohei will hamper that.

Braves not Mets people. Get solid, then get good, then stay good.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
3 months ago

Thank you for supplying me with your undernail goop, Gritcho-Sensei. I think the tea is working really well for my cerebral function lately. All I need to say is:

Tampa Bay (formerly known as devil) Rays.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Kiyotchan

The Rays are a crazy outlier. I’ll settle for just being the Guardindians with more money.

Pineapple12
Super Member
3 months ago

You may have misinterpreted what I wrote, or more likely, I didn’t express my POV clearly.

I do not want to make the playoffs for some hope that it helps us retain Ohtani. I want to make the playoffs because we have one of the longest playoff droughts in major American sports and I miss watching my favorite team compete.

This is the best team we’ve had in the Troutani era. As we both are operating under the assumption Ohtani doesn’t return, I damn well want a playoff run with Trout and Ohtani. Not making the playoffs once with the 2 best players I’ve ever seen (sorry Bonds) would objectively hurt my soul. Ill be holding on to that hope until it’s gone.

Last thing, resigning Ohtani would not handicap us from having long term success. That’s a myth. Arte — and every other owner(ship) group — can spend whatever they desire to compete. Having 3 mega contracts would certainly hurt financial flexibility, but in baseball specifically, it can be worked around quite easily. I will never shill for cheap owners, or in Arte’s case flat out bad.

Fansince1971
Legend
3 months ago

From my enjoyment perspective – watching Neto is way more fun than watching Troutani.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

I love watching Ohtani. It’s great. I also love watching the Angels win the WS. 34 year old Ohtani probably hurts that. I’ve been watching Ohtani and Trout be “oh mah gird duh best!” for a while now. Pretty much all those seasons were boring AF. Why pay more for that? Or go through life crying about how if we only had a 300M payroll?

But hey, if Arte goes full Arte and pays Shohei it is what it is and we’ll just have to hope for the best.

2GA2Join
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

And if so, we should be trading away everything short-term we possibly can right now, to achieve that goal of competing in ’24/’25. Which, actually, would lower us to probably under .500 this season (less important to me).

I saw somewhere that our remaining strength of schedule is the hardest in MLB. We just got swept by the Marlins.
Trade Ohtani, Renfroe, Estevez, Moore, Rengifo, Urshela, Drury etc. now.

Pineapple12
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Braves just lost 2/3 to the A’s lmaoooo 😂😂

It’s a tad early to sound the “trade everyone away” bell

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

15-12 is realistic but I don’t think it gets the Angels into the playoffs. 16-11 is also realistic and is what they really need to stay in the hunt.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Yay. Play offs guy.

Please Angels. Just keep the wheels on. I’d just like to be actually interested in your games come August.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yeah. That’s a goal. My wish is to sweep Houston and Texas. If the reality lands somewhere between, neat. Even if we come out 5-9 from that 1st 14 I’m not gonna lose it. It’s not mid-August or anything and plenty can happen.

Just don’t go 2-12 or something. Then it’s time to trade Ohtani and a catcher.