Red Sox ice Ohtani, lose anyway

Angels 5 Red Sox 4

Did the Red Sox intentionally ice Ohtani? Possibly. There WAS a 45 minute delay from pulling off the tarp in the 3rd inning delay to resumption of the game. That’s a pretty lengthy delay for field prep. If that was their plan, it worked, but only in the sense it ended Ohtani’s outing early. Cold hearted if they did – but let’s not put anything past the Red Sox.

Tucker Davidson did a fine job in “long” relief with 3.1 scoreless innings – though he did have to get himself out of a bases loaded bind of his own making in the 4th. But have no fear – the famed back end of the Angels bullpen was up next – starting with Lefty Loup who proceeded to give up a double on his VERY FIRST PITCH. Welp. Next up a sac fly made it a three run game with that run technically being charged to Davidson though I think that method is a bit of bullcrap and that run was all on Loup.

Jessica’s plan to fix ERA: If a reliever comes in the game with runners on base and he lets them score, he gets partial blame depending on the situation. Ie., two outs runner on first and the runner scores – maybe he gets .75 runs. No outs, bases loaded when he comes in, he may only get .25 runs. Etc. But I digress. On with the post game report.

Here is the super odd play that make it a two run game:

Moore & Quijada did their jobs and put up scoreless frames in the 7th and 8th. Estévez came in to close the game, but things didn’t go exactly as planned. Do they ever? Estévez gave up a run before shutting down the game and making it way closer than it needed to be.

No sweep. Angels win!

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Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Fansince1971
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1 month ago

OK, so if I understand this correctly, David Fletcher is now basically not on the major league squad. He will be a very high paid minor leaguer. It’s essentially like cutting him so he will play in the minor leagues and get paid out his contract. Is that correct?

If Perry is willing to do this, is Loup far behind?

Very strange and still trying to process what this all means.

Last edited 1 month ago by Fansince1971
Cowboy26
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1 month ago

Theres some interesting shit going on. Why eat $20 million in salary just to clear a 40 man spot unless you’re going to add someone from the minors or free agency to the big league club?

https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1648103648918904834

tanana40
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1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

This is really interesting. I assume the Angels knew that he would clear waivers given his contract? But still, I am surprised that Fletch is the odd man out, etc.

Twebur
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1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Not going to reject the outright because he’d lose that $20mil. Seems like a strong move. We want to keep you, you want your money…all for a roster spot?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Cowboy26

They had to believe he’d get through waivers unclaimed given the claiming club would owe him the rest of his contract. He went unclaimed and is still with the organization but off the 40 man roster.

As MLBTR explains the strategy: “Fletcher is making $6MM both this season and next. He’ll make $6.5MM in 2025 and is due at least a $1.5MM buyout on the ’27 option. For any club to take on the nearly $20MM in guaranteed money given Fletcher’s recent struggles would have been unlikely.

There’s surely some amount of strategy in the Halos’ timing of the outright. Any player with over three years of major league service time can refuse an outright assignment in favor of minor league free agency. However, players with between three and five years of service would have to forfeit any remaining guaranteed money on their contract to do so.”

Fletcher has 4 years 111 days of service.

Last edited 1 month ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
BruinsAngelsKings
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1 month ago

So, if I understand this correctly, they outrighted Fletch banking no one would take on the $20MM AND no way Fletch refuses the outright because he then forfeits the $20MM all to clear a roster spot for…..someone?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Well, AND to get him off the roster. Cause he sucks.

Come on people, I’ve seen you all wish the Angels would just eat a guy making money and option him BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS. This was a guy they could actually do that with. Enjoy your dream come true. Cheers pricks.

Marcotor
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1 month ago

But it’s FLETCH! GRIT! A Cinderella Eck2.0 feel-good story! Oh wait. .292 OBP last 3 seasons. But GRIT!

Cowboy26
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1 month ago

Who exactly is complaining about this move? I don’t see the teeth gnashing . I just think it’s interesting they would make it now because you don’t usually f*ck with the 40 man at this point in the season unless you got a damn good reason to add a player

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Who said anyone’s gnashing. I’m just saying that, to spite the realities of running a roster, plenty of people are all about “Hurr Durr best 26 my limp dick! Player should be DFA’d!” Other player should be rushed up! Can’t be so baddd!”

Well, here we go.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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This type of move was clearly foreshadowed when they signed Gio and Drury in the offseason.

What’s dumb is they gave Fletcher the contract after his breakout offensive season….a breakout created by an unsustainable.350 BABIP. He’s still solid defensively and makes contact, but the BABIP has dropped significantly.

There’s a lot of “all glove no stick” players looking for jobs. Fletcher is lucky the Angels were stupid enough to pay him $20M

Cowboy26
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1 month ago

But if I recall this is the first time Perry jettisoned one of his contracts. Both Grandpa and JUp were inherited contracts while I believe the Fletch extension was one of Perry’s first big moves . Maybe this means he’s not fooling around and he’d do the same thing with medium priced underperformers TePoupas

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Oh I think he’ll totally eat the last 2/3 of a last year of a contract if we have arms going gangbusters in the farm.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago

Correction- $26 million

Cowboy26
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1 month ago

But what’s the replacement move? Is O’Hoppe hurt so they’re adding Wallach? Or are the Angels finally fed up with the Lambs defense and they’re switching to a cabbage diet? Or is it possibly another bold move this time bringing up Big Ben from AA? Inquiring minds really want to know

Twebur
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1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Walsh real health issue, not playing any time soon? Stassi done? Perry saying F it, rearranging the deck chairs.

40 man
https://www.mlb.com/angels/roster/40-man

clover_black
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1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

3D move in comments:

Trade rengifo for minor league bp arm then promote fletch.

RexFregosi
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1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

interesting.
as Jeff Fletcher says, stay tuned.

seems like they’re creating a spot

Angels22
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1 month ago

It’s funny how we are always so pissed off about the bullpen. Not too long ago it was the starters giving us all the trouble. Joe Blanton, Tim Lincecum, Cody Allen, Trevor Cahill, Julio Teheran, Matt Harvey

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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HARR! MARRR OOOO HARNESTLEH SAYINGH DAT DIS TEHM WILL WIN CHAMPIHAM SANDAWHICH WIDT THIS PLAYERS AND AH HATE BULLPEN ART!?!?! YUOO LAHK MEDIUM OCRE TEA! AH AHM TIRES OF DITS! EXLAXLAY DUH SAME ASS MANY YEARSZ! YOU GLASSES MAID AH ROSES AND DOSE DONE WARK SILLY! SAME SAME NAME OH DAY GAME! MY WRECKDOME HURT! DIS SEASONING IS FISTED WIT DOOM!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I wonder how angry Shohei is because Tucky D got the win today. Did anyone catch a two second glimpse of his eyes and get a twenty minute read on what he was thinking from it? I’m so worried.

AnAngelsFan
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1 month ago

Ohtani is listed as the winning pitcher in the MLB box score.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  AnAngelsFan

On MLB.com’s wrap they show Tucky D winning… he’s now a sensational 1-1 on the year.

AnAngelsFan
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1 month ago

Oh god, I’m an idiot. I saw WP: Ohtani and had a brain fart. That was for his wild pitches. You are right Tucky D did get the win, which is just stupid, since Ohtani was the pitcher of record when all 5 Angels’ runs were scored.

Marcotor
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1 month ago

Maybe his mom is moar angriyer, and with the Red Sox “conspiracy”, along with Tucky D getting the win, she will be scouting places to live in CT or NJ for the upcoming Winter reunion with Eppler.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Marcotor

This is most likely almost certainly probably maybe the case…. but we better not act on it at all. No way. Bade Root.

Omahalo22
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1 month ago

Yay, we’re mediocre as always.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago

It’s just one game, but .500 is mo better than 2 games under .500.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

It is. It feels way less Shasta Cola.

2002heaven
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1 month ago

8-20 coming next month
Schedule will be brutal……cardinals, astros, rangers, orioles, chisox, guardians, twins, and a marlins team that’s no pushover anymore. No really bad team for us to beat up on (A’s or Nats)

Last edited 1 month ago by 2002heaven
55yearsangelsfan
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1 month ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I’ll give you the cardinals and astros will be tough. But if we can’t win against the rest of those teams, we’re in trouble.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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No Trout. Ohtani out early. Wet field. The bullpen from hell. Hopping a quick flight to the Cesspool of Western Civilization.

Fuck it, we just beat Boston.

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BannedInLA
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1 month ago

Yep.

Trout tends to hit MUCH better in NY than Boston. Here’s to him “finding it” along with Shohei.

If we can take 2 of 3 and hit home at 10-9 and some momentum, I’ll gladly take it.

Incremental progress…

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  BannedInLA

Slow. Steady. Steamy. Sexy. Anthony Rendon. Barry White. Dynamite.

smithy610
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1 month ago

We beat a team in Trout’s day off and a very shortened Ohtani pitching outing, I’ll take that win anytime no matter the circumstance and regardless of the team they played.

FungoAle
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1 month ago

Whew! Had to work today, missed the game but it is sure great to read that the Halos lit that baby up. Should have won 3 out of 4 and the 2-1 game was a coin flip.

#Halos2023

MarineLayer
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1 month ago

I wouldn’t put in past them. The basketball team did all kinds of things like not ACing the visitors locker room, or no running water. Controlling the weather to your own advantage, however, is next level.

JackFrost
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1 month ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Not talking about controlling the weather ; what we are saying is that the Ground Crew were intentionally negligent in field preparation… This lengthened the delay/s and hurt Ohtani… Not a stretch to think this about Boston sports.

2002heaven
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1 month ago
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Darth Vader and the Stormtroopers mean drumroll PLZ! That the breakdancing robot is absent and WE DIDN’T WIN. yep we didn’t play the Nats or the A’s again. You guys sure you want this team to play the Marlins or Pirates BTW? Just Asking…..
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matthiasstephan
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1 month ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Scoreboard

Fansince1971
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1 month ago

Dude is on serious crack

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

Even the Seattle troll is wondering….

“Why the same lame “I’m not allowed to hang out near schools” looking GIF over and over? And where’s your IIWPM?”

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Dr. Buss used to put the Laker Girls with cleavage in front of the Celtics bench. A tit for tat.

ihearhowie3.0
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1 month ago

I’ll take it!

Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago

Love beating Boston. With any semblance of competent defense that would have been a split or series win.

Let’s hope this means Ohtani pitches again this week.

JackFrost
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I was thinking he could go Wed. or Thursday in New York.

Fingers crossed.

tanana40
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1 month ago

Just another halo victory. No problem. Cough, cough…..

RexFregosi
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1 month ago
Reply to  tanana40

8-8, two best players in game, shaky defense, shaky bullpen, starting rookies at the two most important defensive positions in baseball, and headed to NYC

Troutstrikeout
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1 month ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I hope the defense, bullpen and mental lapses improve bc I believe in those 2 rookies and the talent on this team.

Twebur
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1 month ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

And don’t forget shitty simple baseball fundamentals, base running and managerial decision making.

Free us from the Yankee Rat Czar 
Free Suarez from being a Suarez / Anderson being a Anderson
Free us from the Loup Nazi and his pudding fingers
And free us from “I’m Freeeeee, Free falling”…….like the Sacrificial Lamb being sucked down to the Yankee dirt from earths gravitational pull

2 of 3 from the Evil Empire!

JackFrost
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1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

“No Loup for You! “

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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red floyd
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1 month ago

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GhostGuest
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1 month ago

True ERA: if Pitcher A lets a runner get to second base, and then Pitcher B lets that runner score, regardless of how many outs there are or what the situation is, both pitchers get charged with .50 runs.

Traditional ERA is a misleading, inaccurate stat. Starters get penalized for runs they only partially allow, and relievers don’t get dinged on runs they partially allow.

Cowboy26
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1 month ago
Reply to  GhostGuest

Thanks for that but I think we can all wait on your Fan Graphs article on pitchers run apportionment.

Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago
Reply to  GhostGuest

I did a piece on this a few years ago. I am in favor of runs being split.

If a guy leaves a runner on third with no outs, that should be on him. Leaving a guy at first with two outs is more on the reliever.

They could be split using run probability tables.

GhostGuest
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

If a pitcher allows a runner to reach third base, and then another pitcher allows that runner to score, there should be a .75/.25 split.

AnAngelsFan
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1 month ago
Reply to  GhostGuest

There’s a huge difference between a reliever called in with 2 outs that let’s a runner on 3rd score and a reliever called in with 0 outs and a man on 3rd who gives up a run on a sac bunt/fly or induces a double play ball that lets the runner on 3rd score. They shouldn’t bot get .25 runs.

GhostGuest
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1 month ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

But they both let that runner advance from third to home.

When Trout hits 44 home runs in one year, it’s not really 36.5 home runs because some of them were solo shots in a blow out game so they shouldn’t have the same numerical value as a home run hit in a close game.

l prefer stats that give me raw data over stats that add/subtract emotional value to/from the raw data.

AnAngelsFan
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1 month ago
Reply to  GhostGuest

Splitting the run .75/.25 is adding/subtracting emotional data. Its literally appeasing your emotional assessment as to which pitcher should be considered responsible.

Trout still hits 44 home runs because HRs are just a counting stat that doesn’t try to assign value of a home run event. In contrast, ERA attempts to assign value, which is why a pitcher can give up 44 runs but have only 36 of them count as earned.

GhostGuest
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1 month ago
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Also, ERA further deviates from reality when it divides by innings pitched. If a pitcher comes into a game, faces several batters, doesn’t get any outs, and then gets taken out of the game, there were no innings pitched.

And then that pitcher does the same thing several times. Making all of these appearances but having no innings pitched to show for it further distorts reality.

The solution is to divide by the number of batters faced. And no, if Thaiss’s mitt interferes with an at bat, that does not count as a batter faced.

red floyd
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1 month ago
Reply to  GhostGuest

Interestingly, at one point John Lackey had an infinite ERA. He got thrown out after facing his first batter of the season, and the dude scored. 1 run divided by zero inning pitched is infinity.

AnAngelsFan
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1 month ago
Reply to  red floyd

That happens more often than you would think, mostly with bullpen guys. It’s much less common now that you can’t call in a specialist to face just one batter, but it still happens to relievers that give up a walk-off home run in their first appearance.

Designerguy
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1 month ago
Reply to  red floyd

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Troutstrikeout
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1 month ago
Reply to  GhostGuest

I think you’re just creating a new stat bc by definition era is earned runs per 9 innings so you have to divide by innings pitched not batters. If a pitcher repeatedly came in and recorded no outs ad infinitum I guess he’d just have an era of infinity. But l think it’s self correcting bc if a pitcher came in and faced 2 batters got no outs and 1 of them ended up scoring, then the next outing had a scoreless inning he’d be at I think 9.00. But if in that first outing he faced 6 batters got no outs and 4 scored, then had a scoreless inning the next outing he’d have an era of 36.00. Im not sure what dividing by numbers of batters faced accomplishes? Maybe a perfect game should be a lower era than a no hitter? Era doesn’t tell the whole story but we have other stats like whip and fip

AnAngelsFan
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1 month ago
Reply to  Troutstrikeout

Good point. While I agree ERA is flawed, the solution is to come up with new, better stats, not to change how ERA is calculated.

TheCheetah
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1 month ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

maybe better if there’s better adoption of the “Base-Out Runs Saved/Added” and “Win Probability Added” stats

Last edited 1 month ago by TheCheetah
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Or you just look at WHIP and RA for relievers.

Cowboy26
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1 month ago

So why did Theo sit next the Angel dugout except with the chowds? that was kind of weird.

Last edited 1 month ago by Cowboy26
Senator_John_Blutarsky
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He’s reminding Arte there are replacements for Perry ready now.

Eric_in_Portland
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1 month ago

Serious question. Why isn’t tootie banned? He’s not a fan, obviously. Only comes around when we lose and, worst of all, the graphics he chooses to post are ugly.. And large so we have to scroll past them and makes legitimate posts harder to see.

He’s the kind of guy that if he were the idiot son of your girlfriend you’d have to say “sorry honey, the wedding’s off”

Cowboy26
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1 month ago

The whole thing is just a tired worn out schtick. I just have to believe that someone cannot be trolling around these sites that is that imbecilic.

Maybe thats why his alter ego Goat Guest was invented since hes getting ready to retire the Toots or is begging for a ban.

Last edited 1 month ago by Cowboy26
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I’m not sure…. other than using a bunch of emojis once why is Ghost Guest supposed to be Tootie in disguise?

Twebur
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1 month ago

2002, GhostGuest+ChatBot, Guest 1, Guest 2 and I think Guest 3 are definitely sharing a basement somewhere. Maybe it’s Arte’s basement, could he be a plant for Evil Art? Here trolling, keeping an eye on us restless natives, struggling to understand this .500 team.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I just doubt it cause I have seen Ghost Guest put more research and math into a single comment than I have Tootie in a single decade… that’s a really really long Kaiser Soze move if it’s Tootie…. or some Flowers for Algernon shit.

Twebur
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1 month ago

It’s GhostGuest + ChatGPT…our computer overlords will be posting here by next year. My hope is the eventual “Robot MLB” and “AI MLB” Angels teams won’t suck as bad as this earthly version.

https://youtu.be/hEk0Tas7xgE?t=98

Cowboy26
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1 month ago

If you had to masquerade with this repetitious inane act for as long as 2002 has it would get soooo boring after a while. Especially if deep down you were once an Angel fan in the past. So why not conveniently create a new persona out of thin air with a new schtick? Oh here’s my daily Gubi music video choice. Oh here’s my unrelated angel history tidbit from years in the past . Oh Here’s my own runs created formula.

If your actual persona was at least one level above mouth breather but you were no longer taking as much delight antagonizing long suffering Angel fans because you are one too, this would be a perfect opportunity to reinvent yourself without having to lose your favorite emojis.

It just makes too much sense.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I just wish I had favorite Emojis…. does Ghost Guest get Guest Wrecks?

FungoAle
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1 month ago

I’m sure he has a burner account here, there are obvious suspects

DowningDude
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1 month ago

Maybe each of his accounts is a Patreon donator?

Cowboy26
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1 month ago

Excellent headline. Typical B S ( Boston Strongsmelling)

John Henry Weitzel
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1 month ago

I HATE morning games.

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Glad that is over

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