LA Angels Thursday News Crash: The Time Being

The Angels, for the time being, are not particularly receptive to trade offers for Shohei Ohtani.

So far, The World Series is tied up. The Astros followed the game where they were blown out by no hitting the Phillies.

Stay classy, Philadelphia. Stay classy, Mattress Mack (NSFW language). The young fan who blew his play on Brandon Marsh’s homer got a couple of other balls. One of them was signed by both Jimmy Rollins and Jayson Werth.

Does this sound familiar? The Nationals may need to settle their lawsuit with the Orioles before the Lerners can sell the team. They are in the middle of a rebuild with a payroll just under $100 Million.

It looks like Pedro Grifol will be the new manager of the White Sox and they hired Charlie Montoyo to be their bench coach.

What do you think? Was McCullers Jr. tipping his pitches? He won’t say, but then again he probably doesn’t know.

A game used bat from Ty Cobb’s 1905 rookie season is up for auction in case your money’s burning a hole in your pocket.

The Toronto Blue Jays are hiring for entry level positions in various locations.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
4 months ago

Wallach a free agent

MarineLayer
Super Member
4 months ago

Are any of these interested teams floating who they’d be willing to trade for Ohtani?

2GA2Join
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4 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Andy Pages, Urias, and 100 Dodger Dogs.

RexFregosi
Super Member
4 months ago

new:
tax payers funding for Arte’s stadium and team!!!!

lol – sure it helps the Angels a bit but this is a nice thing for the community

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
4 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I wish every city had more bike lanes and bridges. We keep looking for ways to reduce pollution and improve our health but invest in roads instead of making cities pedestrian and bike friendly.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I want to force every city to compress into three square mile spaces and force everyone to live in giant towers. Then everyone can walk or ride everywhere and we can also build dope people movers at different levels. Build neighborhoods up instead of out. Movie stars, politicians and the dirty poor all mashed together. Let the fun begin! I also want all of these towers patrolled by people who are police/judge/jury all rolled into one with cool superguns with different amo setting and cool uniforms and helmets.

Cowboy26
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4 months ago

Yet where will I keep my stallion?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

I don’t know. Why do you hate the earth and want everyone to die? Cows are the reason the earth is obviously 95% unlivable, accept of course for the 90% blame I give to all the cars but mine. Horses are basically just cows that got into modern dance.

And a stallion! My gawd, that’s just a patriarchy dance cow!

Do better.

Cowboy26
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4 months ago

How’s this then ?comment image

Eric_in_Portland
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4 months ago

I’m expecting Arte to continue to own the team at least past the trading deadline. No idea what that will mean for Shohei

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Honestly, just my projection, I bet Arte puts on his grad goggles and just let’s Shohei sit there and sell tickets till the team sells cause Starz. Then Arte bails and we can all sit here flogging NewOnwarz the Unicorn to sign him to an FA contract…. and an outfielder…. and we’ll accept a downgrade from Correa to Swanson at SS…. ohoh, and a starter…. and a platoon partner at 1B…. also some depth pieces…. oh, and invest a lot more in player development…. also the stadium’s a faded dump…. and we will need you to eventually build yourself a new one because tax payer funding makes us mad and Kroenke did it so it’s totes easy right?….

So we’ll need this unicorn to have about 8 billion dollars on hand. But just for a little while because soon we’ll have a lower payroll…. like the Dodgers.

Arte’s gonna take the extra few million he makes off Ohtani till the team sells, throw on a Tommy Bahama, never think about guys like Hamilton and Mathews again, and buy a boat. Our expectations can be some other poor sap’s problem.

Biggiswrth
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4 months ago

So we have to come up with some sort of consensus on what the Angels 2023 payroll will be. How long should we wait unti we decide on a number?
(I only ask as I really want to get going on FA signing in a new IIWPM series!!)

2GA2Join
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4 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

I find it very hard to believe that we can do this, because of the uncertainty surrounding the sale.
(I tried to say this a bunch of articles ago, but I said it wrong I think.)

We truly don’t know what will happen with the sale. We have smart people making educated guesses, but it seems that anything could actually happen.

There is a possibility that Arte gets a sale lined up pronto, and then a new owner comes in during the offseason. In that case, I would think we have no way of guessing a payroll, because it will be determined by a new person we have no history with.

There is a possibility that the new owner is identified (privately) soon by Arte, but all the red tape of the sale won’t conclude until well into 2023. In that case, perhaps the new owner would be allowed to give some directives to Perry to follow regarding budget, before the new owner takes over officially.

There is a possibility that the sale doesn’t get at all resolved until well into next year, leaving Arte completely alone to decide on a budget. I find this case to be the one where people on this site are most likely to be able make predictions for… because we know Arte.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2GA2Join

Jesus Christ people. It’s just not that hard. Tell you what, it’s probably not gonna be 100M. It’s also not gonna be 250M. It will probably be right around where it was this year give or take a few million.

2GA2Join
Trusted Member
4 months ago

Sure, maybe. If you are correct, then bravo, and I’m wrong.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
4 months ago

With attendance falling, the budget may fall too.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
4 months ago

Looks like the Nationals sale will take 8 months from start to finish. And that includes dealing with litigation over the team’s cable tv deal.

That same 8 month time span would put the Angels sale over in April. Too late to be of benefit this off season but early enough to woo Ohtani with an extension.

Of course the Angels might sell faster or slower.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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All I know is that there is no way a team in a powerhouse division like the NL East with a rival team just up the freeway and the baseball press and fan Instagrams all ready to chew on them would trade away a generational talent when he adds so much value to the team and the new owner will be sure to want that guy on the team so you’ve got to pay him.

Also of note for those of us that want Newownerz to “just go for it” and show their huge commitment bulge by signing Ohtani and then buying more talent to be talented around the other talent plus maybe some other talent so they can finally just win a title, we should actually go onto some Nats boards and ask them if their enjoyment of a WS Championship is worth the last couple of years and the couple of years to come.

As far as competing with larger markets, general value of the team, revenue it generates, actual market size etc they are pretty much us. Team value, even with a TV deal that’s total crap, is 200M less than us and would likely be about the same with our TV deal. Mets, Braves and Phillies is similar competition to LA Actual, Seattle and Dallas as far as fanbase size compared to Orange County +.

We can learn a lot from the Nats.

nishiogawakun
Trusted Member
4 months ago

I wish we were the Nats. I’d trade our past decade for theirs, any day.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

Not I say the Gray-haired Ol’ Guy from the snowy mountains sitting at his desk with his hot cup of hot chocolate. Sure, we haven’t really showed up for the Post Season, but we have certainly been entertained by some Greatness and exciting games and moments that I wouldn’t trade in.

I understand your frustrations and feelings, as I too have the same, but I would not trade with no other team. I have been an Angels fan since day one when my childhood cowboy idol started this whole shebang. If you could survive the 70’s then this is a piece of cake in comparison really.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
4 months ago

I get this and the greatness of Trout and Ohtani are unreal, but over the last decade the Nats have had the greatness of Harper, Scherzer, Trea Turner, Juan Soto and a host of others. None in the same air as Trout or Ohtani, but collectively they have combined for far more success.

Nats fans have witnessed team greatness.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
4 months ago

No-Hitter in the World Series…..Philadelphia Sports Fans have always been idiots, rude and ignorant…..Marsh got on base last night, just not with a hit, but a walk is just as good as a hit as they say. He followed that up with a stolen base…..We might see a 7 game series this year. 😃 

MarineLayer
Super Member
4 months ago

Would’ve been more interesting to let the guy for the no hitter, but that’s not done anymore. Computer analysis over immortality. Takes a whole lot of fun out of the game. I guess it gives him a chance to pitch again if it goes seven. Not like I want them to have him available again.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

I heard a guy with a good take on this a while back after some podcast comment to the same effect. If a pitcher wants to have the chance to go past 100 pitches or twice through the batting order to finish a no-hitter, especially in an important game, all he has to do is not consistently suck after 100 pitches or twice through the batting order, etc.

There are pitchers out there that get to finish a 9 inning game if things are going well. If a pitcher wants to be that guy all he needs is some stats that don’t scream that there’s a 70% chance he’ll assplode if they leave him in.

MarineLayer
Super Member
4 months ago

If it were me, I’d like a chance at history. On the other hand, being a Game 7 starter would be cool too.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Javier has a history of being gassed after 100 pitches. This was his second time being removed this season at 100 pitch count with a No-No. (97 pitches last night.)

Halos_in_DE
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4 months ago
GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Halos_in_DE

There is no fan base as rude in all of Baseball as Philly. Yankees could be rated second, but not close to being number one. As far as the Angels fans go, we are in the bottom quarter, being far eclipsed by the Dodgers fan base.

9At least I do not fear for my family’s safety at the Big A.

Tearing into the Mattress King after he was giving out free Mattress’ to Veterans and stores and restaurant refusing to allow Asstros fans entrance is just stupid. Stupid = idiots in my mind’s eye. In what other city would you witness that?

MarineLayer
Super Member
4 months ago

San Francisco has a vile fan base too. I had fears for my safety at Game 3 of the WS and wore no gear. After it ended, I stepped in front of some idiots who were bothering a woman and her two kids wearing Angels gear who it turned out to be Tim Salmon’s sister.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
4 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Like the A’s fan who was beaten to death in the Angel Stadium parking lot by an Angel fan? Vile like that?

Last edited 4 months ago by Marcotor
MarineLayer
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4 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor
MarineLayer
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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

At least they aren’t Dutch.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
4 months ago

What restaurant barred Astro fans? I did read about the place that declined to send postgame food (because they close at 7PM) getting death threats from Astro fans (so much more class in Houston than Philadelphia!).

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Marcotor

Let me shock you all with the revelation that if you get a couple million people together at least 500 of them will be total assholes.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Being that I don’t live in the City of Brotherly love, I would not know the answer to that as the report did not divulge the businesses. Did you want to avoid those businesses on your next trip to Philly?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Red Sox fans say hold our beeeerrzs

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
4 months ago

Way, way back me and few buddies went in and bought season tickets for the Eagels. Our seats were in the dreaded 700 level of Veterans Stadium. Drinking in preparation for tailgating started around Wednesday afternoon for the Sunday game.

The things my eyes have seen, the stories I can tell…..

Fansince1971
Legend
4 months ago

Interesting re the $100m lawsuit and it possibly delaying the sale of the Nats. Arte has his own legal problems as we know, so maybe the same analysis applies. I would doubt the new owners would be willing to take on responsibility for those lawsuits as part of the purchase. Arte would likely have to agree to indemnify the new purchasers against all potential liability.

Dogface1956
Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

That is pretty standard when any company is sold, the new owner will have it written in the conditions for the sale, that the the old owner will indemnify the new owners for any and all liabilities that occur before they owned the team. Been through several sales and purchases for mid to large sized businesses and would assume the sale of a baseball team is the same.

FungoAle
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

Agree, part of the process. If the situation is too sticky, speak it into the terms. Or, walk away.