Cristian Javier, Astros escort Angels into July with an 8-1 loss

The Angels got pummeled at Minute Maid so badly, not even a good lede can save you.

Shohei Ohtani hit a ball into outer space to take a 1-0 lead, reminding everyone that he is still doing amazing things every night.

That is where the fun began and ended, as Astros starter Cristian Javier transformed Halos hitters into human pretzels. He struck out 14 hitters (!!) across seven terrific innings. Javier now joins Max Scherzer as the second player to strike out 25 hitters and allow 1 hit across a 2-game span. Once again, I am tired of living through historical events!

Michael Lorenzen turned in a dud, as he did not make it past the third inning. He allowed 7 earned runs (!), 8 hits, and 3 home runs. Tyler Wade’s fielding at third base did not help him.

We’ll get ’em tomorrow. Maybe.

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red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago

Well, at least April and the first half of May were fun….

OMAHALOFAN
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Here’s the fix/deflection, I give you Jonathan Villar…
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/los-angeles-angels

Halo71
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  OMAHALOFAN

A 44 WRC+ for the shortstops? That means they’re more than twice as bad as an average shortstop. Ouch

Cowboy26
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Halo71

-8 DRS in 220 PA’s at second base this year. He should fit right in.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  OMAHALOFAN

Thanks for taking my advice, Minasian.

To me, Villar represents possible upside compared to the current crap who populate the infield, minus Walsh. He could add a fifth bat to the current lineup, which is better than rolling with what we’ve got.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  OMAHALOFAN

Or he could have brought up Stefanic. Which he didn’t. It’s becoming clear Perry doesn’t like Stefanic, doesn’t want him on the club, prefers Wade.

Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
1 month ago

…..or its clear they’re managing his options……

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago

Hard to understand why he won’t give him a look….and to be clear, I’m sure he’d turn into the next useless-mouth breathing-utility infielder, because, trAdition.
With the constant games of duck duck goose, pin the tail on the donkey and musical chairs, the “bring him up and throw shit on the wall” way of filling out the roster, just bring him up take a look and DFA him like he does everyone else.…seems like Perry needs to explain himself on this one.

FungoAle
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

Villar, Stefanic, Wade, Rengifo…all just middling waiver wire trash. None of the guys are legit starters. It’s clear. None of these guys qualify to be in a line-up with trout and Ohtani. It’s sad we keep cycling the up the crap, giving it a try only to find out what we had all suspected.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

But Stefanic has a cool “bro” CTPG nickname! FUTURE MVP!!!!!

Eric_in_Portland
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1 month ago
Reply to  Marcotor

well, I kinda like his .320 batting average. Granted, it’s AAA.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member

If you want the to understand the depth of the problem, look no further:

The farm system is ranked in the 25 to 28 range of 30 MLB teams.

We’re at $116M in payroll on the active roster, $49M in payroll on IR, and $22M for players we’re paying NOT to be on our roster (Upton, Lagares, Romine, and Thomas).

That’s $188M in payroll obligations for a .468 win percentage.

Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Yes, partially because former prospects: Marsh, Adell, Sandoval, Deitmers and a couple others are not considered prospects anymore…….omg this drivel convo again…..

h27kim
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Good farm systems have a steady stream of younger prospects who take the place of the “graduates.” We don’t. A lot of young athletic types we signed over the years haven’t really planned out (yet) and the jury’s obviously still out on last year’s intake. So being unhappy about poor state of farm is legit, if a little unfair, complaint

Cowboy26
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  h27kim

We did. Unfortunately that pipeline stopped around 2008/2009.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  Angelz4ever

What was our farm system ranked when they were still prospects?

Andrew Friedman scoffs at your weak ass excuse.

UtahAlumnus
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Fire the pitching coach.

bradllee424
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  UtahAlumnus

Fire MLB. A bunch of woke shitholes that hate this country.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  bradllee424

So much hate….

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bradllee424
Trusted Member
1 month ago

What is happening maybe funny to you but in reality it is beyond scary. The country my Grandparents fought and died for is gone. All these corporations care about is promoting an evil agenda that is leading to the destruction of this once great nation. I am sorry to say it but MLB is a part of this destruction with their woke policies. I do quite in depth research of everything that is going on. We are living right now in the end times.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Edging on political. Probably the wrong site for these kinds of statements.

I’ll just say that if your research includes partisan internet/social media sites, you might want to reconsider the legitimacy of the information and realize that the goal is to anger you and get your “clicks” which they turn into cash.

Sorry that you and others feel so dark right now. We have gone through similar things as a country before (for ex 1968). The difference is we did not have the internet or social media to quickly spread anger focused information (mostly false) to so many people so quickly.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  bradllee424

While I agree with you that corporations have an evil agenda, I suspect we disagree on what that agenda is.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago

My bet is both of your differing evil agenda’s are correct. As well as others, known and unknown.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  bradllee424

We are living right now in the end times.

One good thing with that, I won’t have to be disappointed by my baseball team anymore….I’ll take that as a positive.

Cowboy26
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Well at least you should be comforted by the fact that the one constant through all the years has been Angels baseball.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  bradllee424

When given the choice between laughing or crying, always chose to laugh.

Last edited 1 month ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
2002heaven
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1 month ago
Reply to  bradllee424

???????????????
???????????????

2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  bradllee424

So how do explain the Giants (San Francisco) or San Francisco any team (NBA Warriors and 49ers?). When was the last time the Dallas Cowboys won anything?
Get over it……..Sincerely the UK and Italy (British and Roman Empires).
 😆  😆  💪  💪  🤘 

Cowboy26
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  2002heaven

How did your mom ever explain you?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  UtahAlumnus

You can’t teach crap to smell like roses.

Halo71
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  UtahAlumnus

But the Angels lead the league in strikeouts! Oh, wait…

2002heaven
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1 month ago

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SMDH!!! Good Gawd!!!
$745K vs $21M for Thor
 😠  😡  😭  😢 

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Or $37 million for Rendon and $28 million for Upton.

nishiogawakun
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Nevin said he was the pitch tipping was intentional? Apparently Trout wasn’t in on it. Obviously didn’t work either. Nevin ain’t it in my opinion. Hope this coaching staff isn’t the straw that breaks the camels back for him to want out. Or maybe I do hope it. About the only think I hope for these days (in regards to baseball) is that Ohtani or Trout don’t go to the Yankees, Red Sox, or Dodgers.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

Yep. Full metal Jacket Apathy for me.

nishiogawakun
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

I need to stop writing these from my phone. Or maybe proof read…

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

Erstad and Percival for some grit and baseball knowledge.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

So, basically more people with no MLB coaching or managing experience. But this time it will be DIFFERENT due to.. fond memories of their playing days 20+ years ago.

Cowboy26
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Excuse me but Ersty coached at his college and Percy coached at his high school so I declare they’re ready.

h27kim
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

Tbh, other than that I hate the Dodgers and love Ohtani, it looks as if that’s probably the best fit for him, all things considered, among likely contenders …

FungoAle
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  h27kim

I think so. Either lock him up or trade him there before the day he walks with minimal compensation..

DowningDude
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1 month ago

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2002heaven
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1 month ago
Reply to  DowningDude

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Come play with us CTPG members forever and ever!!!

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Brent
Trusted Member
1 month ago

0-4 on AppleTV + Games

James
Trusted Member
1 month ago

That’s an embarrassing showing by the Angels. Houston basically said “We own you” and own them they did.

2002heaven
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1 month ago
Reply to  James

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Angel’s 2022 team photo!!!

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Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  2002heaven

We’ve all been here forever.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Arte is a very willful owner.

Perhaps he needs a good talking to, if you don’t mind my saying so. Perhaps a bit more. My girls, sir, they didn’t care for winning at first. One of them actually stole a pack of matches, and tried to burn Angels stadium. down. But I “corrected” them sir. And when my wife tried to prevent me from doing my duty, I “corrected” her.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  2002heaven

I feel like this after every one of your posts….

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DowningDude
Super Member
1 month ago

how this doesn’t have every member’s rec, I don’t know.

Halo71
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Just trade Trout and Ohtani at the deadline and let the rebuild begin.

jcstein
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Halo71

Trout has been looking frustrated lately, and this is really the first time I can remember him acting like that. I wouldn’t be surprised if he wants out, and I’m sure Ohtani would be next out the door. Trout has a full no trade clause though, so it’s totally up to him

Troutstrikeout
Member
1 month ago
Reply to  jcstein

It is frustrating when you can’t even make contact: 3ks all fastballs not even a foul ball. Only the manager saved him from the Golden Sombrero

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Troutstrikeout

hi cuda!

Brent
Trusted Member
1 month ago

figured they were banned after that.

bradllee424
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  jcstein

I am really getting tired of people feeling bad for Trout. Trout was part of the problem during the 14 game losing streak. He didn’t hit worth shit. We lost most of those games by a run or two. Had he been hitting this would have been a different story. If he wants to leave let him. I don’t want players on this team that don’t want to be here or win here. Didn’t 2002 teach anyone anything.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  bradllee424

2002 taught me to post pictures with no names

Troutstrikeout
Member
1 month ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Trout looks like he’s given up versus Ohtani who is the hardest working guy in baseball despite the circumstances. Inexcusable. Trade trout build around Ohtani. Well I don’t think Trouts given up it just looks like that when you can’t hit a decent fastball and hit .227 w RISP .176 RISP 2 outs when the pitchers really throw their hardest. He used to k a lot but I always thought he could hit it out the next pitch even with an 0-2 count, and the strikeout would be a surprise. Now he strikes out like Kyle as head we and on 90% of his strikeouts this year you can tell from the first swing of the at bat he’s so overmatched on the fastball that there is no way he’s making contact that AB. He’s overrated and declining fast, trade him before he hits 31 in august build around Ohtani

Troutstrikeout
Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Troutstrikeout

Strikes out like *kyle Schwarber

bradllee424
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Troutstrikeout

I get tired of going through this every season with Trout. He acts like he is the only one on earth who gets disappointed. I just haven’t liked his performance in times when the team could really use a lift. Example was the 14 game losing streak in which he did absolutely nothing. I agree that Ohtani has the better attitude and we should build around him.

FungoAle
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Troutstrikeout

Trout has not given up. Is the bothered by the GM and make-up of the team, I’d say yes.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  Troutstrikeout

Ohtani is playing for his next contract. Trout got his and is beholden to Satan (Arte)

Halo71
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  bradllee424

I don’t feel bad for him at all. He signed the extension.

Halo71
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  jcstein

There’s no way Ohtani signs an extension. One, he’ll probably command a record breaking contract, and two, he doesn’t want to play for a loser.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Halo71

Why would you trust these clowns to do a successful rebuild?

Hmm owner, President and scouting apparatus that consistently fails to develop prospects or identify quality free agents. Yeah, let’s put them in charge of 2 of the biggest trades in league history.

Halo71
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Anything is better than the current direction

h27kim
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Halo71

How about current direction plus trading Trout/Ohtani? Doubtful that things would change even after such trades, except grumpier fans.

h27kim
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Halo71

We’ll botch that and we’ll continue to suck for years, except without the best two players of the past century.

Angel_in_the_Outhouse
Member
1 month ago

Leading the Major Leagues in team strikeouts. Which would be great if we were talking about the pitching.

jcstein
Trusted Member
1 month ago

I think this season highlights how important it is to have a Marwin Gonzalez / Kike Hernandez type player on the roster. Having a guy with a passable bat who can be plugged into nearly every position is incredibly important for depth.

jcstein
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Rahul Setty

It can’t hurt.

VladimirTrout27
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Rahul Setty

He sucks lol. That’s how bad the Angels are. His defense is a downgrade. I hope his showing is.much diff than ChC. Halos are adding that guy vs getting a quality player or 2. Its time to get aggressive and go make a real move, but Perry won’t because it’s not in the analytics.

Last edited 1 month ago by VladimirTrout27
jcstein
Trusted Member
1 month ago

No question, but they have to try something.

VladimirTrout27
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  jcstein

Earlier in the season, I’d be more flexible, but they need to move towards playoffs and not dumpster dive. The work made this season could help add to Ohtanis reason to leave if not done correctly. Too risky

jcstein
Trusted Member
1 month ago

You’re still hoping for the playoffs?

Fansince1971
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Rahul Setty

Cool! He is a basically a -1 WAR player so not even replacement level 👏

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  Rahul Setty

Shit minus shit equals shit.
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Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
1 month ago

How about this trade. Silseth, Adele and another top pitching prospect for the dodgers highly touted catcher and 3rd base prospects.

Last edited 1 month ago by Angelz4ever
Brent
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

“Adele” 😂😂😂 Shit she’d probably be better than anyone else on the team not named Ohtani or Trout right now.

Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Marsh needs to go down to Triple A for a while ala Howie Kendrick..

jcstein
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I think it’s time to bring Adell back. He’s had a pretty good 7/8 games in AAA, and Marsh needs to reset.

Troutstrikeout
Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Marsh going from promising player to complete nothing for over a month really hurt our lineup. Adell should’ve been up weeks ago playing everyday. I’m not that excited for either player now though especially when see the Astros bringing up young players last couple years like Tucker Alvarez and they can all hit and have an ops above .639

DowningDude
Super Member
1 month ago

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Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Escorted? More like routed.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I was thinking more like a paid escort…. one that’s into masochistic humiliation and degradation. Give me a doll and I can point to where they hurts us.

max
Trusted Member
max
1 month ago

16 Ks in 8 innings. They have absolutely no chance if you are giving away 2 out of 3 outs per inning.

max
Trusted Member
max
1 month ago
Reply to  max

haha oops 9 innings, still, too many strikeouts

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
1 month ago

I don’t even have the energy for rage any more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N3N1MlvVc4

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

 It’s The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)
https://youtu.be/Z0GFRcFm-aY

red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

But what does Leonard Bernstein have to do with the Halos?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  red floyd

He’s the pitching coach?

jcstein
Trusted Member
1 month ago

That was pathetic

VladimirTrout27
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  jcstein

Compare their bottom of the order vs the Angels. Plus you have good K pitcher vs Halos who lead league in Ks and have AAA guys in spots 6-9. Lorenzen is a competitor, but man he was taxed.

red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago

Everybody is a good K pitcher vs. the Halos.

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