LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Doesn’t Hate Baseball

Rob Manfred claims he doesn’t hate baseball. He’s trying to “revolutionize the game.”

Brandon Marsh is day to day with a boo boo on his right knee. Mike Trout might as well be the pitching coach at this point.

Michael Brantley of the Astros is on the injured list with right shoulder discomfort. The Angels might also not see Yordan Alvarez or Jeremy Pena over the weekend after they had a pretty bad collision yesterday. Justin Verlander pitched yesterday and Jake Odorizzi is doing rehab starts. The walking wounded from the Angels might actually have a chance to make up a few games.

Jonathan Villar is now officially released by the Cubs.

The specific beef Freddie Freeman has with his former agent is that the agent did not inform him of the Braves last offer, which Freeman probably would have taken.

Ian Kinsler will manage team Israel in the 2023 World Baseball Classic.

Tigers outfielder Austin Meadows is on the injured list with Achilles strains.

Let the kids brawl is basically the position of Nationals General Manager Mike Rizzo. Meanwhile the Marlins and Vice President Gary Denbo have come to a parting of the ways. Speaking of Marlins, Jazz Chisholm Jr. will go on the injured list with back issues.

As of yesterday, Fangraphs still gave the Angels a 15.7% chance of making the playoffs. They have a 15.4% chance of clinching a wild card while the Astros have only a 0.4% chance of clinching a wild card. Of course, that’s because the Astros won’t be needing a wild card berth. (Fun with numbers.)

MLB is hiring for several positions.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
2 months ago

UCLA alum here, I just hate this move. I love playing Stanford and the Oregon’s, plus one of my boys an alum of Cal.(I do know, because the checks were good size, but he had some scholarships.) I actually liked adding the Ariz. schools that put us to 10. The rivalries in all sports were fun. This imho is bad news. But what the heck, it seems if it’s not in change mode, no one is happy. The bigger the better is not always the better.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
2 months ago

Arte is into the game I think more than most Owner’s. His decisions during his ownership of the Angels pretty much sucks, but he will never care about spending what it takes to make this team a winner, as that is the only way-out of this mess.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
2 months ago

Rob Manfraud is hurt by fans saying and claiming he hates baseball, but he stays full speed ahead and does not let up with saying he wants to be a revolutionist in modernizing a game that has always been in an ebb and flow with its fans. Baseball needs some changes such as am extra inning runner. Don’t allow the batter’s but one foot out of the box. I am wandering here. The Owners do not care for the game really, this is all about squeezing every penny out of the game, for instance shutting down 40 minor league teams, you know they (The Owners) are there to grow the game for the fans. Or how about lowering the draft rounds, think that does not save millions. Manfred is paid 53 million dollars a year and he bows to the owners, as he should as they do pay him, with little regard to the real fans. If your youth included playing ball, and your dad would take you to professional games, you more than likely like the game as it is except for the length. There are more important issues, one being the Umpires and their Union. Manfraud really showed how much he didn’t want to rock the boat with both Steroids and Sign Stealing. Today, Baseball Digest and Baseball Writers and Major League Baseball TV all ignore that the PED “ERA” ever existed. That is a serious creditability issue for a lot of the fans, and those issues are in part or all of Manfraud’s doings. He is making unnecessary unilateral changes that he thinks will be in fans, not pushing fans away. That concludes my rare nighttime rant.

jcstein
Trusted Member
2 months ago

Sooo our entire bullpen implodes at nearly the same time, and one of our position players has to find out one of our pitchers is tipping pitches? Seems like our pitching coach(es) aren’t doing their job.

red floyd
Legend
2 months ago

In other words, ManBearFred hates baseball as it is, and loves his vision of what he thinks it should be.

MikeSalmon
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

I just can’t get with the idea of eliminating the shift. The shift is from our digital data world. It’s vastly improved “mental notes” players and managers have made for decades. Now it’s up to the batters to learn to punch it where they ain’t.

(Any digital-data-enhancement should be available to all teams: that’s why I thought the Trash-Holes should’ve been penalized far far FAR worse than they were by Manfred. And ya know what? AJ Hinch shouldda been kicked out of baseball for life.)

I’ve seen some Giants and Doyers players hit against the shift. It’s up to every batter to learn to do this. But Angels players don’t do this. Guess they’re not stressing it. They oughtta. But I watch a lot of other teams – especially NL teams – and esp. when they have 2 strikes they are playin’ it Old Skool: and dunking the ball to the oppo. A couple of days ago, tight game, late, and Joc Pedersen has 2 strikes, he’s a lefty so the right side of the infield is loaded up. He punches one down the 3rd base line: sheer BEAUTY!

That said, I’ve always been a traditionalist. They’ll probably eliminate the shift (which: HOW are they going to enforce that? It’s always been baseball strategy! It’s like the Texas AG saying he’d enforce the sodomy laws if they came back. How the fuck are you going to do that? It’s insane! What? TIME OUT! An umpire has ruled that the shortstop is playing too close to 2nd base: move two feet to your right or…I dunno it’s a “field balk” or some shit like that…ridiculous…).

I hate the DH in the NL. I hate the runner at 2nd in extras. I hate pitching clocks. I hate the relievers-gotta-pitch to 3 guys, etc. And stop fucking with the ball!

Caveat: because the umpires union obviously will do NOTHING to eliminate demonstrably terrible ball/strike calls by some umps, I’m interested to see how Robo umps will work. This blows my whole “traditionalist” claim out of the water, and I’m only for this because I’ve seen enough shitty umps by now. Okay then: I’m a quasi-traditionalist.

I suspect that before they eliminate a human ump behind home they’ll allow X number of challenges on calls, and it’ll just prove that the players have better eyes for the K-zone than the umps, and make the umps look even worse…and BTW I’m good with the new challenge rules. It slows the game down – which doesn’t bother me but does bother just about everyone else – but it’s important to get the stuff right if you can.

Eric_in_Portland
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2 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

Excellent rant!

MikeSalmon
Super Member
2 months ago

My only friend here: thanks.

I’ll add that I saw a game the other day (Pirates-Giants?) in which the Pitch-Com system went on the fritz, so some skinny 20 year old IT guy dashed out of the dugout and handed the pitcher a new one, and helped him set it up. This isn’t Ducky Medwick’s game anymore, to say the least.

As the Quasi-Traditionalist I’ve painted myself to be, it was jarring.

JARRING, I say!

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

There are others.

GrandpaBaseball
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2 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

Like politics, if you agree with better than half of what is offered you are doing wee, and you get 2/3 of a vote of agreeing with you. BTW go STFD Mike, no one likes you! 😂 

Twebur
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

Concur……sodomy laws and Angels in the same comment was a testament of what it’s like to be a fan of this team.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

The people who complain about the speed of the game should put their priorities in order… Do they think that the speed of the game is more important than as you say “getting it right” ? I hope not. A fast game under 3 hours full of terrible calls is not only not good for the game, it will kill the game eventually.

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red floyd
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2 months ago

Off Topic, and just for Designerguy

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Twebur
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2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Looks like one of several coaches on the Angels staff….

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Off topic? Where was this guy during our 14 game losing streak when we really needed him?

MikeSalmon
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Some people seem to take “body positivity” just a tad too far, but all-in-all, dude’s a poster boy for “let yer freak flag fly.” I’m gonna let this stand. NEXT!

red floyd
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2 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

The dude would be just fine in our game threads, which, as everybody knows, are pants-optional.

MikeSalmon
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Of course you’re right, Red, and full disclosure: I’ve never “talked” to you guys here on CtPG w/anything on but a Willie Wonka thong, with a little Angels logo and halo over Willie sewn on. To Lana, Mia, and the other females who post here…no disrespect, and uhhhh…#MeToo! (?)

Carry on!

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

Hopefully that was a therapeutic sharing there for you Mike, But I got to say TMI.

Thanks

MikeSalmon
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Cowboy: it was therapeutic.

It was TMI, so apologies, but you must acknowledge you played a part in your own cognitive visualization, which might be seared into your occipital cortex forever now, and that’s just a human peril,eh?

Finally: de nada!

BruinsAngelsKings
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Can I not ride my bike in peace?! Seriously?? 😂

rosstrade
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Oh, no….

That’s not Grandpa?

Is it?

MikeSalmon
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

WAY too GA to look it up, but there ain’t no loophole that allows a guy on the DL to be “activated” and serve his suspension, the team saying he could in theory be playing, but he’s got an owie and we’re gonna “sit him for the amount of games he’s suspended,” is there?

‘Cuz if such a loophole exists, that’s crazy. Unpossible!

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

Why wouldn’t that loophole exist? Rendon is on the 60-day DL. After 60 days, the Angels can decide to activate him. Once activated, he serves his suspension.

The Angels should absolutely be able to activate Rendon for the last 5 games of the season so he can serve his suspension. The downside is the basically have 1 fewer player on the roster for those 5 games and if Rendon isn’t ready by opening day next year they can’t put him back on the DL for the same injury.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Which means it depends greatly on how close we are to a playoff berth? Can we afford to play with one less player on the bench? If so, sure activate him and he doesn’t get into the game. If it is close, let him serve it next year (with a ring).

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

The only downside it would force the Angels to early DFA someone off of the 40 man in order to activate Rendon to finish the season on the 26 man (28 with September call ups) active roster. I doubt they would want to do this even though eventually all 60 day IL members have to be reinstated to the 40 man during the off season or get released.

Twebur
Super Member
2 months ago

The Times They Are A-Changin
Reports: USC, UCLA planning to leave Pac-12 for Big Ten

https://sports.yahoo.com/reports-usc-ucla-planning-to-leave-pac-12-for-big-ten-174647901.html

Jayman28
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Did not see that coming if it actuall goes through

TrojanBoiler
Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

As a Purdue (and USC) alum living in OC, this excites me. Big ten basketball in LA, lets goooooooo.

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Boiler Up!

BTW Is this Neal Armstrong?

Last edited 2 months ago by Cowboy26
red floyd
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Is Neal Armstrong related to Neil Armstrong?

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

As much as I hated Oklahoma and Texas going to the SEC, this is much worse. I enjoy the current rival schools. Don’t like power conferences, should be regional or go independent.

TrojanBoiler
Member
2 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Yeah its ridiculous. I was disappointed when the Big Ten added Rutgers and Maryland. This is so much worse.

I miss the good old days when a conference was regional. You know, which is why a lot of them have geographical names, like the Pac-12, and the ACC, and the SEC.

Selfishly though, I will love catching a couple Purdue games a year.

h27kim
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Pac 12? It was Pac 10 back in the “old” days….

MikeSalmon
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  h27kim

Dude: I shit you not: I’m olde enuff to remember when it was the Pac-8.

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

Well since I have the same memories then I guess I’m shitting too in my gold plated diapers.

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MikeSalmon
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

When they let in the Arizona teams the whole Pac went down the crapper…in keeping with the diaper metaphors and visuals.

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

I wonder if Colorado will try to move to the Big 10×2 as well. I certainly wouldn’t blame them.

Also with all of the Nike money I wonder if Oregon will stick around now too since they’ll become the Big fish in the little Pac 12 10 pond

MikeSalmon
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I heard Dartmouth is switching to the Pac13, while Stanford is joining the SEC. Meanwhile, I have serious doubts about Grambling in the Ivy League.

What have you heard?

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

Lol

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago

Thats fake News . Everyone knows Stanford is going to be joining the Ivy League to be with all those east coast elitist assholes.

Fansince1971
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Ha! Yeah educated people suck! 🙄😂

BruinsAngelsKings
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

It used to be the PAC-6.

After this, the PAC-12 will become the WAC. I imagine Oregon and UDub will try and join the Big 12.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

Yup, Me too.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  FungoAle

I just hope UCLA fans enjoy basically being the Big 10’s Mizzou.

rez2405
Trusted Member
2 months ago

Does anybody have an update on Canning? For a time I completely forgot about him lol

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  rez2405

They say he has a back problem, but it’s our med reporting so he’s probably been dead for weeks.

Twebur
Super Member
2 months ago

Good news is, I hear he is attending a Houston Ass’tro “Pitch Tipping 101” seminar before he comes back….. From the same people that taught Ward how to hit.

I broke my back. Spinal.
-Griff
https://youtu.be/GP_0BhCw2rg

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

“Spinal.”  😂 

Twebur
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  rez2405

Angels’ Griffin Canning: Slated for checkup soon

  • Rotowire  JUN 17, 2022
  • Canning is expected to have a checkup on his injured back soon, Rhett Bollinger of MLB.com reports.
  • Canning is currently shut down from throwing with an uncertain timeline for resuming a throwing program. The right-hander has said that he aims to return this season, but he experienced a setback when attempting to play catch May 16. Canning was subsequently advised to take a conservative, non-surgical approach to treatment, but he could ultimately need surgery if his back doesn’t properly heal.
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Twebur

Soooo…. wheelchair for life.

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago

After a nice 7 year career with the Doyers of course.

MarineLayer
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Hope it heals by itself. Then have surgery to ensure longest possible time away from the team.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  MarineLayer

Can they perform surgery on the wrong back?

rez2405
Trusted Member
2 months ago

Interesting.. I didn’t know bipedal mammals have more than one back

MikeSalmon
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I just consulted the Angels’ codebook: he’ll be dead within the week.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

If lucky he will have a Bo Belinsky career.

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  rez2405

He was seen at Dave & Busters blending into the pool stick rack.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  FungoAle

Gold.

DMAGZ13
Trusted Member
2 months ago

Regarding the pitch tipping thing, I think there’s a lot more to this. I’ve been saying since Perry has been GM, that I’m still waiting for something from scouting / coaching or analytics that’s going to give them help in a game day basis for his “run prevention” phrase he used. This pitch tipping issue that Trout spots from CF is just embarrassing if I’m Perry because it tells me everyone is asleep organization on down. That’s not an Arte problem. That’s Perry not understanding what he’s looking for and delegating to the right person for it.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DMAGZ13

I looked, but I must be bad at the internet. Where is the link regarding Trout spotting pitch tipping? All I have seen is a still shot of Trout with sour face…. the same chosen still that can have a headline like Mike Trout Plots Insurrection…. and could actually be 1 of 300 frames shot in ten seconds that catches him farting.

Where’s the actual info on our pitch tipping?

Another thing I can’t figure out the source of, maybe someone can tell me, Arte lives in Arizona? Sure, he probably owns a house out there, but since he’s at the Big A all the time I assume he lives here…. but no?

Jayman28
Trusted Member
2 months ago

He probably has a house in Newport Beach and one in Scottsdale and probably leases a private jet going back and forth.

Fansince1971
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

BIIIIG difference in State taxes between those states

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Jayman28

Sooo… no. We actually have no actual evidence that Arte lives in Arizona other than, with private jets, it’s possible.

I mean, it doesn’t make much sense. He has a lot to Oligarch with here in SoCal.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
2 months ago

You never know

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jayman28

No Jayman. I pretty much always know.

Simba
Trusted Member
2 months ago

Third link in post today. Elvis was holding his glove different for different pitches.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Simba

Ah…. so it’s Elvis, a new guy in a single game.

Damn, I was hoping it was a long term issue that could be fixed, not a single inning that outrage junkies can latch onto.

It is pretty incredible how fast MLB batters can catch onto stuff like that… five or six pitches, even your warm up pitches, and the whole line up knows how to eat you up. Maybe it would be fun for CoachDad to look at footage of guys like Tepera and Loup from last year and this year and see if there are differences in how they act on the mound that might be tipping… could be an actual thing?

Twebur
Super Member
2 months ago

Damn, I was hoping it was a long term issue that could be fixed, not a single inning that outrage junkies can latch onto.

My money is on “not an isolated incident”. Safe to assume like many things with organizational coaching/scouting, this team appears to be on the lower end of the scale, even with the differentials being small between good and bad teams. Not only in individual pitchers, but in overall game planning in general. I assume the reports are accurate, we are not leading the league in organizational hires, both front office, scouting, minor league development…..etc., “thanks Arte, you cheap Satanist bastard”. Reasons do exist for their lack of success for the last decade plus. Plus, like Lyle Spencer, I’ve watched over 4,000 games. So I see things.

But, I could easily be talked into its primarily lack of talent on the roster.

Sincerely,

CoachDad

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Twebur

I’d assume this type of thing if we were toward the bottom of the league in WHIP and ERA (you know, getting hit a lot) but we aren’t. As it stands now I assume Elvis was tipping pitches for a few at bats. What a bunch of completely different people were doing in 2016 doesn’t really factor in for me unless the one constant, Arte, is storming into rooms and taking away laptops so coaches can’t watch film…. for a decade.

I know Perry hired some pitching oriented guys. I wonder what they are doing. I also wonder, do orgs like the Rays and Dodgers have 100 pitching coaches for 60 pitchers in the org? It can’t just be “buy more organic chicken and software”.

Though, over all, the org’s pitchers are looking like they are actually getting some development and coaching recently. Maybe we’ll see some fruits at some point.

Twebur
Super Member
2 months ago

Unlike many here, I do think overall Perry is righting the ship in the pitching department. Hoping for the same with position players.
My only question is, how far have we really come from ‘2016’
as an organization?

Long Live Perry

We should also get away from the “organic chicken”….team needs to hire one of those “world famous TikTok Vegan Influencers” to nourish our body and souls. It’s all the rage and even Shohei’s mom agrees.

PedroCerrano
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Some guys are really adept at spotting incredibly small nuances that can tip pitch types. How they reach into the glove, wrist angle as they grasp the ball, how their hands break from the glove, etc, etc etc. I’ve heard of cases where guys will be super tight lipped about it in order to keep their own personal unfair advantage a little longer.

red floyd
Legend
2 months ago

The point is that this is organizational. He’s probably been doing it for a while in the minors as well. Why did it take Trout to find it, instead of the pitching coaches?

There was a similar incident described in the book “Odd Man Out”, where one of our minor league pitchers couldn’t seem to get himself right… the coaches kept messing with his delivery, and then one game in ST, he was playing with the AAA guys, and Kotch and HK47 pointed out that he was tipping his pitches. Why didn’t the pitching coaches realize this?

Fansince1971
Legend
2 months ago

Look up ‘Angel Pitch tipping’ in Google. There is a video of Gubi explaining what Trout saw.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Was he doing it in the minors? Was he getting shelled?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Maybe he just got the jitters and it messed with him.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Or he’s just AAAA.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

The other point, which others have made, is that OUR coaches should have noticed this and corrected it before Mike even had to point it out, and before the White Sox took repeated advantage of it. So, even if it was something new that he was doing it should have been caught by our coaches that night. This whole fiasco does not speak well for the quality of Matt Wise as a pitching coach.

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TrojanBoiler
Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

This times 100. This is exactly the problem. This team is inept.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  TrojanBoiler

So true. Everyone must go. Then there will be some other people.

El_Duderino
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I’m curious how a typical team with a nicely functioning staff handles pitch tipping.

I would expect they have someone (likely a team of someones) full time watching the feed, off site or on-site doesn’t matter, with a real-time communication capability to inform the pitcher if they’re doing something to tip pitches (via a coach or some other dedicated person in the dugout).

That’s 100% a guess. But I don’t think it should like, just be left up to a pitching coach to see, or you’re going to have this happen a lot more, if the other team has a team of people looking at it, and we just have Matt Wise.

In this case, I would suspect that the White Sox players saw something from Peguero in the previous inning and exploited him the next inning since he pitched two in a row, with the first inning pitching great.

/CoachDad out.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  El_Duderino

You mean…. like the AssTros and Red Sox? I don’t think they’re allowed to have the Watch TV/Talk to the dugout power.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  El_Duderino

I totally agree with you about the value of having a team that would be devoted solely to this, or this and related issues; such as flaws in delivery. It makes good strategic sense.

Of course from what we know about “cheap Arte” and his staffing tendencies it seems highly doubtful that such a team of pros is in our employ for that purpose.

Last edited 2 months ago by JackFrost
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

Isn’t that what the pitching related guys PTP hired do? Dylan Axelrod from Peak Perf, etc? Isn’t that why you have an ex-Brewers scout as your bench coach and the ancient Dom Chiti, Dick Williams, etc? You’ve got Tamin, a former DOBO who ran a research dept in LA and Atlanta…. I assume he’s not sitting in a room alone with an etchasketch….

I’m also not clear on how many people we here at CtPG think are working in analytics at “good orgs”… it’s not as many as many of us seem to think. I think the Doyers have 20. Most teams have around a ten. My assumption is that guys like Tim McIlvaine have some guys working for him, along with PTP, and that Tamin and Axelrod have some nerds too.

Do I know how many nerds we have? No. Do I want more nerds anyway? Yes. But we have nerds, they are just all nerds who didn’t see that Elvis Paguero was tipping his pitches over the course of 16 throws and then somehow put a stop to it.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
2 months ago

He did this a few weeks ago too (if memory serves) and was then sent down. Seems like he fixed it in AAA, but it cropped up again yesterday. Perhaps it is nerves – bringing out a tendency he doesn’t see. This is why I think Trout saw it so quickly, as it seems the same hickup that Gubi described.

So, Elvis needs to settle down – and in this instance, focus on making sure his delivery is always the same. The stuff is good – but not good enough if the opponent doesn’t have to guess (which is why the Astros crap was so devious and should have been called out harder).

MarineLayer
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

I still can’t figure out why Trout extended with the Angels other than to take a huge guaranteed contract and have a nice house to hang at near the beach. Since he goes home for the crappy cold winter, the latter doesn’t make sense. I know he’s stopped running and doesn’t dive for balls anymore, but he’s hyper competitive so I know he’s not just taking the money and mailing it in. But when I look at that video again, it makes me wonder if he’s having second thoughts.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

Let’s hope so right?

MarineLayer
Super Member
2 months ago

Hope what?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  MarineLayer

Let’s hope you’re right, he’s having second thoughts, regrets and had no real reason to extend with us.

MarineLayer
Super Member
2 months ago

Train has left the station. He’s in.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

We can still dream on him being totally dissatisfied and angry though.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

You never know about the personal element/s… I mean, maybe in talking to his wife she said she likes living in Newport Beach and that was enough… maybe it was that combined with the fact that he’s also comfortable there and that he is risk averse. Sometimes people forget that when things are going really well for an athlete or even somebody in any other professional, you might not want to change things.

This is all speculation on my part, but I am just trying to show that alot of factors can come into play, many of which have nothing to do with “what place gives me the best chance to win a ring.”

In theory, Mike could move back east and still excel, but you never know. Baseball is mysterious that way — sometimes guys will have a change of scenery and they will never be they same as they were in their original setting. There is always a risk of that. So, even though he has not won with the Angels franchise, he has excelled on a personal professional level, and that is worth considering. Change does entail some risk. That thinking is not that unusual.

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Halo71
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2 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

He has to be regretting it. He would’ve had a mega deal anywhere else.

JackFrost
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2 months ago
Reply to  Halo71

I am not so sure he is regretting it. Like I said, maybe his wife is happy.

You know what they say “Happy wife, happy life.” But maybe in five years he’ll regret it if he still has not won a single playoff series.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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2 months ago

Well, I guess I should read further before going to get a link lol

MarineLayer
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2 months ago
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Perry is a paid intern. The GM position has not been filled.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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So true. All he does is get coffee and make copies and move stuff around in Excel. If only we could get rid of him and replace him with a guy from a good org like the Blue Jays or Braves. But none of those guys will take the job because they actually want to GM instead of walk Arte’s dog.

MarineLayer
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2 months ago

Claim Villar, drop Velasquez or Wade.

Fansince1971
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2 months ago

The definition of a fool is someone who does the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

I think the combination of Mathews Jr, Wells, Hamilton, Pujols and Rendon meet that definition.

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Fansince1971
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2 months ago
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I’m adding CJ Wilson to this list.

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
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Don’t forget Bill Travers too.

rez2405
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2 months ago
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Here we go again lumping CJ Wilson as a terrible contract 😂

Jayman28
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2 months ago
Reply to  rez2405

I was going to say, he was good his first couple years, then just faltered

Jayman28
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2 months ago
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Add Upton as well

Fansince1971
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2 months ago
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Can’t believe I didn’t include Upton. I was definitely thinking about him.

Fansince1971
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2 months ago

The tipping pitches thing is ridiculous. That should get the pitching coach fired right there. Have never seen Trout look so miserable/frustrated. Friggin bush league.

h27kim
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2 months ago
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Tipping pitches has to be exactly why the bullpen collapsed during the losing streak, or at least a big contributor. There seems to be no explanation for the sudden ineffectiveness. (And makes you wonder about why pitchers coming to Anaheim seem to do worse). If so, that’s totally on the coaching staff. Better security measures must be sought.

Fansince1971
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2 months ago
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If the pitchers are tipping pitches and the coaching staff is not noticing that and stopping it, then the coaching staff is not doing its job. If the coaches are not doing their job, they should be fired.

rez2405
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2 months ago
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Why aren’t they using the technology? To me that would help alleviate some of the tendencies

MarineLayer
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2 months ago
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If the owner doesn’t give a crap other than selling things, and the GM is a bumbling novice, then nothing will get done.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I’m still trying to figure out how MLB pitchers suddenly start tipping pitches… and then that get’s “unnoticed” by coaches…. and then CoachDad goes off.

I get it, maybe, for new call ups. But generally tipping get’s seen and dealt with pretty fast. I myself have been a guilty tipper. I threw what was basically a splitter as an alternate change up, but I’d wrestle with it in my glove getting my grip right. After it got crushed a couple times my coach told me what was happening and how to avoid it, problem solved. I’d thrown the pitch for about 2 months and hadn’t found that issue till then. But how does a guy like Aaron Loup “start” tipping pitches at this point in his career?

I actually hope we’re tipping. That can be fixed. Where is the story on our pitch tipping?

Jayman28
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2 months ago

That’s what baffles me. I guess when you start out hot, you get complacent and don’t notice it? But the coaches should have spotted that out after the second time he choked

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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So where is the fact that we are tipping pitches being reported?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Poop. I was hoping it was something some of our regular MLB guys were doing… but it’s just rando scrub Elvis for an inning in a game we had already lost. Looks like he gave up two hits, one was a double and two walks… so I’m not even sure the White Sox were onto him or if he just sucked.

Either way I hope the team’s looking at all their pitchers to see if there’s more of this stuff to fix. There certainly was a big cliff dive there with some of our pen arms…. like enough video got out there that a bunch of teams keyed in on something.

You know, that pesky front office nerd analytics crap that Maddon loved so much.

MikeSalmon
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2 months ago
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This definitely sets the mind to wonderin’. It’s a worldly explanation for the 14 game FIASCO. I much prefer materialist explanations to psychological or supernatural ones. Still: my intuition tells me it’s too simplistic. I suspect multiple causation there.

The Trout-seeing-his-own-pitcher-tipping thing: makes you wonder how much knowledge Trout has stored in his nervous system about opposing pitchers. Imma go out on a limb and guess: a shit-ton.

Hire ex-baseball players and let ’em study how Vegas finds card-counters, or how field ethologists notice how certain animal movements indicate specific communication. It’s always been around, but it’s about being SCHMAHT (<—how I recall Fredo saying he was).

Yea, it’s cockamamie, baby. But I stand by it.

Jayman28
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2 months ago
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Could be a factor in Loup and Terpera turning into batting practice for the opposing hitters.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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You’re so right. If we’d just fire the pitching coach mid season then some stuff would stop happening and some other stuff WILL happen. We’re 12th in ERA and 9th in WHIP right now and all that middling has to stop.

Fansince1971
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2 months ago

12th in MLB or in the AL?

Also how much of that ranking is due to a few guys who improve the statistics? We all now this bullpen doesn’t rank high in anything other than failure to hold leads.

My point is if a pitcher is tipping pitches an the coaching staff doesn’t pick that up, it’s a problem.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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12th in MLB

So…. Paguero threw what? 15, 16 pitches? How many pitches would it take a coach who isn’t a problem to see this, then make sure what he thinks he’s seeing is happening, and then go out to the mound and fix it? 8? 10? I mean, he has to throw the pitch he’s tipping at least 3 or 4 times right?

It’s not like I think Wise is especially good. I just think folks who are reacting to this the way you are are kinda frantically grasping it as the latest thing to run your mascara over.

I mean, I’ll be really pissed if this loss winds up costing us a playoff berth…. oh wait, it won’t cause we were already losing that f***ing game before Elvis came in.

Fansince1971
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2 months ago

I get it and agree it’s not a moral panic. I would think, though, if Trout could see it the pitching coach should have picked it up too.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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What I am actually most confused by…. Trout saw it from CF…. our catcher, who can actually do something about it…. didn’t?

steelgolf
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2 months ago

Manfred is really delusional.

Brent
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2 months ago

Dan Patrick right now (and multiple times through the show so far) is straight up dogging on Rendon (and the Pujols) contract… as well as Ohtani not being on a big stage yet. Basically he’s just dogging the Angels.

Fansince1971
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2 months ago
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He’s not wrong. I don’t like what he’s saying but I can’t really argue with it.

Simba
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2 months ago
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Dan Patrick is still around?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Dan Patrick…. if anyone understands being overrated and overpaid it’d be Dan.

Jayman28
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2 months ago
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As former Mariners CEO Kevin Mather explained Kyle Seager’s contract which can apply to Rendone’s contract: overpaid

steelgolf
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2 months ago

Wow, Freeman’s agent didn’t inform him of The Braves last offer, most likely because The Dodgers offer was larger and would net the agent more money. That agent may find himself served with a lawsuit and lose that extra money.

MarineLayer
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2 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I would be pissed if I were Freeman. It’s the duty of an agent to report any offer. If I were Freeman, I’d sue. If I were any other player, I would never use that agent.

Jayman28
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2 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

That agent is definitely going to lose a lot of clients for that and possibly in big trouble if they can prove malpractice (which would be impossible to do).

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Hell yeah. That would be a real problem. Huge beef. I mean, it would be a real legal issue, like fraud and negligence. Like agents losing their license level stuff.

If the agent informed him it’s easy to prove, they keep records of that. If he didn’t… that agency is toast.