Postgame May 24, 2022

There is no Lagares. Still. this game appeared to be heading in the wrong direction in the middle innings on singles by Upton and Suarez and then a homer by Julio Rodriguez in the fourth. 3-0 Mariners.

Mike Trout hit a homer in the fourth to make it 3-1 Mariners.

Taylor Trammel drove in a fourth run in the sixth inning. 4-1 Seattle. Taylor Ward singled in the sixth and Mike Trout tripled him in. 4-2 Seattle. Ohtani grounded out but it scored Trout. 4-3 Mariners. Jared Walsh was hit by a pitch. One man on and still only one out except the Mariners challenged and Walsh ended up striking out. Max Stassi struck out. End of inning.

Andrew Wantz walked Upton. Andrew Wantz walked Frazier. I’m sure there’s some kind of plan here.

The Mariners loaded them up with two outs in the top of the eighth but didn’t do anything with it. Neither did the Angels.

In the ninth, the Mariners also did nothing. Stassi K. Duffy K. Angels lost.

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Fansince1971
Legend
1 year ago

Wanted to say something about Perry and the realities he faces.

He came into a system with really no farm and approximately $100 million committed to 3 players and then approximately another $50 million committed to other payroll.

Arte set the budget which gave him about $40 million to work with. Not a lot given all the holes. That’s what leads to players like Wade and Duffy.

Then $60 million in dead money with Upton and Rendon (neither of which were his doing). And also Fletcher’s injuries.

Loup has become terrible but this was a signing we all liked. Really unpredictable for him to become this bad.

The bottom line is Perry stepped into a bad situation with a bloated payroll, no farm to speak of, many holes on the roster, no depth within the organization and a severe budgetary restriction.

I think property judging his performance requires us to include these realities.

Last edited 1 year ago by Fansince1971
GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

You summed it up perfectly. Without injuries at the start this Angels team was very good, the GM is no better than us at predicting who will go down as result of injuries. Trout and Wade have returned for injuries twice each. Rendon and Fletcher were unfortunate injuries for sure. Pitchers are even more difficult to predict, and we have had our share there. Blaming PTP is ridiculous. He has done the best job of the last 3 GM’s that the team has had. The amateur draft is around the corner, and it is always about luck. But PTP did well last season. As for having Duffy and Wade along with Rengifo and the others in the cast, Perry did well there too, with as little as he had in the budget. You may not like Squids hitting but it would have been worse if SS had been covered by Rengifo all this time. When we needed a SS many here thought that Moreno was going to spring for a big name and hold back the chances of signing a big name and then neither took place. Arte sets the ceiling every year and it is impossible to become the hero GM under his cap. So those that think it’s easy, let’s hear your ideas next month, otherwise quit complaining.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I know what you think of me, but regardless I’ll state my opinion.
Loup plus resigning Iglesias was the predictable absurd blunder risk that was made to put our efforts and resources into a bullpen rather than a good starting rotation including last year’s MLB draft. Money was the reason yet again
 😠  😡  😩  😢 

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

What! How many games did the Blowpen give away in the last 5 years? PTP rolled the dice and are starters are good this year. Lorenzen and Thor were great signing for fitting the budget. You have just flat out got 20-20 hindsight and are blinded by the light of what to do now. I hope you post you Ideal Angels draft before it happens. How about researching the teams that you think will be trading to stay in the hunt and what the Angels should do before the trading starts next month. We don’t even need pictures, just make your suggestions.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Excuse me, but the bullpen was supposed to be the so called alleged strength of this pitching staff………and it wasn’t!!! Pictures are for visual minded people BTW, just like flow charts and I love flow charts..

Fansince1971
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I’m actually fine with the starting rotation. It has not been the problem in my opinion.

DowningDude
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Loup failing this year was predictable. For Fuck’s Sake, man. Nice try.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Yes because he was a career setup guy.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 year ago

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Because we’re the Angels and THE OLIGARCH says we’re not allowed to have nice things!!!  😡  😡  😠  💩  😢 

Last edited 1 year ago by 2002heaven
Guest
Newbie
1 year ago

A 24-13 start. How the mighty have fallen.. to 4th place.

But.. were they really ever that mighty???

At this rate Angels will be sellers at the trade deadline.

And another wasted year which is bad for Trout’s case even though he signed the dotted line for that $425 Million contract so he shouldn’t be all that shocked..

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago

Well, at least we’re halfway to Christmas….

Guest
Newbie
1 year ago

Angels drop to 4th place in the A.L. West.

Their 24-13 start was a mirage and is now a distant memory…

Last edited 1 year ago by cuda440
Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago

Well it about damn time. What do we got to lose?

https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1540837432387444736

Twebur
Legend
1 year ago

6-9 with their hitting cease and desist order firmly in hand……

https://twitter.com/SarahWexler32/status/1540824545052962816?s=20&t=ST-MvGt4VZrF5MtA-_I3Kw

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago

I don’t vote as often as I should for the All Stars, but I voted today and was amazed, Ohtani was not leading in the DH voting. And Trout is behind Judge. Ward is hanging in though in the OF race. After that we are rather weak in the polls, as we should be. This is just not our year I guess, so I guess I’ll go check out the draft board and see if there is a good SS that we can get. 😂 

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

Trout is indeed behind Judge, but it is hard to complain about that. If Mike finishes 2nd to him in the vote I’d have no problem. Whatever the case he’ll be a starter like always…

Hope Ward hangs in there. That would be very cool for him.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago

One arm, one pitcher, one man, we may never see this person throw a Perfect Game ever again, much less a No Hitter. I don’t believe guys with MA’s have changed the game by so much. BTW f*ck the MFNYY and the Cheating F*cking Asstros, they deserve to play each other and have bottom of the ninth blowpens and No Hitters. I might just dislike both of those teams, you think! Altuve is up there in the ranks of cheaters with Bonds, ARod, Ortiz, Rameriz, Palmiero, and IRod and Piazza.

Now that’s out of my system I can return to normal programming. GO ANGELS!

FungoAle
Super Member
1 year ago

One thing is very clear, The Astors have been iron brushed over their sign stealing from a couple years ago BUT they still keep kicking ass.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Your exactly why I’m here…
We always have to dislike some other more successful team than we are post 2009 ALCS because the abyss has been ever since the final out of that series. Worst farm system in MLB, just a never ending BS no excuse for having no pitching and defense every damm year. Meanwhile on the other side of town the other guys lost Trevor Bauer and Max Scherzer and haven’t missed a beat ( Tony Gonzolin and Tyler Anderson combined 17-0).

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I always thought you were here because you got kicked out of your mamas house and then rehab.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

You’re doing damm swell job of defending THE OLIGARCH’S honor,
keep up the good work…..heeee!!! 😆  🤓 

DowningDude
Legend
1 year ago

YANKEES SHOULD FIRE THEIR HITTING COACH. BUNCH OF BUMS

Last edited 1 year ago by DowningDude
WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

East Coast Media still in shock!

WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Angels Fans be like Newman

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Eric_in_Portland
Legend
1 year ago

no kidding. When a Skank pitcher does well it’s all “Cole no-hitting KC” or “Nestor doing it again” but today, no “Javier throwing a no-hitter”. No, no mention of him at all. It was “Yankees hitless through 7”.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago

F*CK Cole too.

FungoAle
Super Member
1 year ago

Damn those Damn Yankees, they now control the media too!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  DowningDude

OLIGARCH!

SScott
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

For years and years I was convinced that there would never be a team I would despise more than the Yankees. Houston proved me wrong.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  SScott

Hey, we’re the Angels
We h8te everybody else including teams that have won less than us. 😆 

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

 😛  😂 

Twebur
Legend
1 year ago

The Plumber is DH’ing in the AZ league today…..

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

A Rehab assignment. thats good.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Wait wait !!!
Oh yeah maybe he ain’t very good……AFTER ALL HE CAME FROM THE SAME FARM SYSTEM THAT CRANKED OUT……Jo Adell, Matt Thaiss, Jamai Jones, Jack Kochanowicz, Chase Silseth, what ever happened to that guy BTW? 1-2 4.96 ERA
 😡  😡  💩  💩 
Pretty damm fucking brutal ain’t it? Even I did better at math in K-12 than we did at our drafts!!!

Last edited 1 year ago by 2002heaven
Twebur
Legend
1 year ago

Looks like MacKinnon isn’t capable of switching positions, or the Angels wont because he’s not 5’8 140.
Isn’t it time to send down Marsh to AAA for a little refresher course?
Move Walsh to the OF and give Mac 1st base. Take a look for a week or 2 and see if his bat does anything to help this anemic offense. If he isn’t an auto out its an improvement .

Marsh is basically hitting .180 for the last month. He is our best defender and his glove will be missed. But they need to start looking at him striking out 3 times a night is hurting his development.

SScott
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

I still have long range hopes for Marsh, but I agree that he needs to be sent down. He’s been completely outmatched at the plate for most of the season.

VladimirTrout27
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

This may be blasphemy but what about trading for Conteras and platooning him at 1B w/ Walsh when vs lefties? Contreras is better vs lefties better OBP and significant power. It would put less stress on Stassi and buy time for Walsh to get better. Stassi could be a pricy back up, but Contreras is available and could fit many areas the Angels are of need or just upgrade. Walsh has potential gold glove but does make mistakes and his avg vs lefties is okay but power is soso, and OBP needs to get better.

Last edited 1 year ago by VladimirTrout27
SScott
Super Member
1 year ago

Can Conteras even play 1B?

2GA2Join
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

It is a huge bummer, but yes Marsh needs more seasoning in the minors.
Sucks that all our young talent continues to struggle… this team is in huge trouble.
Detmers, Adell, Marsh

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  2GA2Join

Canning, Rodriguez

Twebur
Legend
1 year ago

Gilbert pitching tonight

over/under

no-hitter thru 5.2 innings pitched

SScott
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

1st inning. Offense is going to break one open tonight.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  SScott

Mariners?

bradllee424
Trusted Member
1 year ago

I would really like someone in this org to finally come out and cuss the hell out of the management, coaching staff and players. This choir boy attitude of this team needs to go.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Throw bats into the showers…..

You lollygag around the infield
You lollygag around the outfield

You know what that makes you….

Lollygaggers!

LOLLYGAGGERS!

MikeSalmon
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I see your Lollygaggers and raise you a few Pantywaists.

Nuthin’ but a buncha Lollygaggers ‘n Pantywaists!

h27kim
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  bradllee424

I think that’s why they are still at their jobs–they won’t complain.

DowningDude
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Pride month. If they’re gonna come out – not bad timing.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
1 year ago

With the talk of Trout having an all time HR record against the Mariners, I thought I would check out how he is doing in other categories (yes, I know how sad it is that I am focusing on Trout stats rather than our win/loss record).

Trout is now at 80.3 in all time bWAR – having passed Joe Dimaggio, Curt Shilling, Pete Rose, and Jeff Bagwell. (Soon up, legends that once wore an Angels uniform in Rod Carew and Nolan Ryan).

I also got to looking at other HOF categories for Trout, and of course is already a lock for the HOF with his stats – with one exception.

In ‘Hall of Fame Standards’ he is *only* at 43 (HOF is typically 50). This is because this metric factors in longevity and counting stats. So, I wonder, if there is anyone out there better at these types of calculations, that could help me guestimate when/how Trout might meet this final threshold?

WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 year ago

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

We never stopped sucking

Twebur
Legend
1 year ago

It’s a cruel, cruel summer
Leaving me here on my own
It’s a cruel, cruel summer
Now we suck…again

max
Trusted Member
max
1 year ago

Bottom 2/3 of the order was 3-21 with 7 Ks and one walk. smdh, 0.142 BA, 0.182 OBP.
Thank you Rengifo, 2 hits, and thank you Ward and Walsh, 3 Ks each.

Guest
Newbie
1 year ago

Marsh was fantastic tonight with 3 strikeouts..

Angels 11.5 games back and circling the drain.

Even Texas is pulling further ahead.

DowningDude
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to 

Thanks for the update. Was wondering.

Guest
Newbie
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Good for you.

Here’s some more: This team is crap. Tell your boyfriend.

DowningDude
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to 

Get a new line:
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WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

In Cudas defense, there were only like 3 people to talk to on HH in 2021.

And those might have been the writers burner accounts

SScott
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to 

How is this stupid remark even remotely useful to any discussion? Are you 12?

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to 

And weather report while you’re at it?

2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Oh damm we lost to the Seattle Dipoto’s
what if they finish ahead of us AGAIN? 2002 was a long time AGO, no Facebook, no IPods, no cell phones that could take pictures, VHS recorders, Blockbuster video, big TV’s that weighed over 100lbs. Tom Brady was still his early 20’s.
 😆  😆  😆  😜 

Twebur
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

You still lived upstairs and not in your mothers basement…………..😄😃😂😃

Brent
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to 

And Seattle can overtake the Angels tomorrow with a win.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to 

What’s worse – Marsh’s 3 Ks or Wash’s 3 Ks? They are not created equal

SScott
Super Member
1 year ago

I give Walsh a break on one of his K’s.

rosstrade
Trusted Member
1 year ago

I guess I have to ask myself: “Do we really have enough to make the playoffs this year?”

I think that we do.

We have a pretty good pitching staff 1 – 4.

Ward, Trout, Sho, Walsh….

Bullpen may come around (esp Loup, Tepera, Iggy…).

There are so many holes in the lineup, though. We’d have to play a stretch of amazing baseball where we start firing on all pistons to make up some ground to get into the playoffs.

I read the Halos have a 14.7% chance of making the playoffs.

This is better than 0%.

It’s on Perry to make the adjustments.

Nevin seems to be Joe Maddon Extra Light….

Fansince1971
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  rosstrade

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Brent
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Please google to closest psychiatric hospital to you and check in if you think this team has what it takes to make the playoffs this year.

rosstrade
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Brent

We are not even up to the all-star break, there is a lot of baseball yet to be played.

The team as it is currently constituted started out playing great baseball.

There is absolutely no reason that they can’t turn it around.

Sure, it doesn’t look good now. But until the fat lady sings, the guys still have a chance.

max
Trusted Member
max
1 year ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Yeah but this strategy of wait and see has not worked. Maybe the GM has tried to improve the team thru trades, but who can they trade. Besides a couple of pitchers who on the team would other teams want?

2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Uh…….No
You need starting pitching, a SS, and the bullpen collapsed. That was supposed to be the strength of this team and it turned into diarrhea right before our eyes. There isn’t any manager in baseball living or dead that can turn this team into a winner……..NONE!!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  2002heaven

No, it’s those damn OLIGARCHS.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Don’t forget 2B and 3B, we currently have utility players in those positions. We need more OF. Marsh is imploding, Adell can’t field, and the jury is basically out on Monte Harrison who hit in the low .200s in the minors before being called up.

Last edited 1 year ago by MarineLayer
rosstrade
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Sorry, 2002Heaven, NONE is not the answer.

We’ve got 4 good starting pitchers and two studs in Sho and Sandy.

The bullpen can come back, it was good at the start of the year.

Sure the middle and bottom of the lineup suck. But with Trouty, Sho, Ward, and Marsh up top, there is still strength in the line-up

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  rosstrade

For the Halos to make the playoffs Trout, Ohtani and Walsh need to be nails every game – AND the bullpen has to deliver in high leverage situations.

Those things haven’t happened consistently over the past 3+ seasons, “better coaching” isn’t going to make it happen now.

call it a conspiracy theory, but I’m thinking Adell is still in SLC to prevent the two most hyped Halos prospects since Brandon Wood from flaming out on the national stage.

rosstrade
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Agreed. It’s unlikely. But, it can happen.

Bullpen is the key.

And, finding serviceable pieces to shore up the defense and provide some baserunners at the bottom of the line-up.

bradllee424
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Time to trade Lorenzen and a few others. Sick of this crap every single night.

VladimirTrout27
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

I’m with you Charles. Had the Angels had 1 more offense play, sure, but Seattle was atrocious w RISP so the game was a lot closer. Gave up too many flippin walks. They need OBP and another bat and some power. Back to your point, winnable game. It’s funny cause the beat writers outside of Blum finally realize there’s no threat after the top 4. This has been an issue since early May. Walsh hasn’t improved vs lefties and plate discipline, but it’s still not good enough even if he does. They need to also add a reliable bullpen arm. My pessimism is Angels need to beat bad teams and Perry needs to add to the team so they can catch up sooner vs later. Hes let this go on for over
1.5 month and the fill ins tell me he’s not even trying. Who’s confident with who’s being called up?

Last edited 1 year ago by VladimirTrout27
matthiasstephan
Super Member
1 year ago

Not to quibble, but it was only 1 month ago that we were 27-17 having just taken the series in Oakland.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

Yes, and right around that time we led all of MLB in .SLG and HR’s.

This is what a few key blown games can do for you, in a negative way. It started with the umps and the review offices in NJ screwing us on the Trout slide play at home in the Friday night home game against the Blue Jays.

We had the momentum and in fact were on the way to victory. If we go on and win that game as we should have it changes the whole Toronto series, and obviously what followed. There would have been no 14 game losing streak, no embarrasing Sunday loss in Philly and most likely we split or win that home series vs. Boston. It would have changed everything. Maddon would still be the manager.

And let me remind everyone that the ruling on the field was SAFE. There was surely not clear evidence to overule the field ruling and take an Angels run off the board. THAT one scandalous decision was the beginning of the end for us….

Last edited 1 year ago by JackFrost
SScott
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Some of the review calls going against this team are frustrating and head scratching, but they aren’t to blame for this offense falling off a cliff.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  SScott

In the series I referenced the offense did not “fall off a cliff.” In fact, the Angels lost the last three games of that series (including the Friday night game with the review that screwed us) ALL by 1 RUN ! The scores were 4-3, 6-5, and 11-10. We scored plenty and all were tightly contested. The last two games also featured a series of highly questionable ball and strike calls..

So, in theory we could have taken 3 of 4 instead of being swept, had the umpiring not been decidedly slanted against us.

SScott
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Oh, I get you. I’m more thinking about the last 2 weeks.

Last edited 1 year ago by SScott
MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Who has any trade value besides Ohtani? I think Lorenzen would slot into the middle of a bullpen on any contending tea, or as a 6th starter.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

What is the point of trading? I mean, what would you trade Lorenzen for ?

He is making approx. $7 million this year. If he pitches more or less at the same level he has for the rest of 2022 he would be in line for a little raise. Maybe we should try to keep Lorenzen, offering a 2-3 yr deal ?

On the other hand, if one thinks Bachman would be ready for the rotation next year and you could flip Lorenzen for a decent middle infielder we could do that. I would probably trade him in a two for one with Quijada for Lux if that was possible, just because we desperately need to improve the offensive production of our middle infield.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Would rather keep Lorenzen and not pay Thor’s higher contract – cheaper pitching staff but more money to give to Ohtani.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

I would like to keep both, but if losing Thor means keeping Ohtani I am definitely with you!