LA Angels Monday News Crash: Walsh Cycle

Jared Walsh hit for the cycle on Saturday. Maybe the Angels offense is back. It’s about time. The Angels lost a league leading 10 games in which they had a lead at some point in the seventh inning or later.

Nathan Eovaldi is on the IL with back inflammation. Walker Buehler is also on the injured list with a flexor strain. They are saying he will be out six to eight weeks. Aaron Bummer also made the injured list with a lat strain. Lance Lynn, meanwhile, is likely to be activated tomorrow.

Notre Dame knocked off the number one ranked Tennessee Volunteers to advance to the MCWS. I guess Ben Joyce can go rest that million dollar arm now.

Cubs pitcher Matt Swarmer tied a record by giving up six homers in a game against the Yankees.

Members of the Angelos family are suing each other over the extent of each other’s control over the Baltimore Orioles.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Fregosi66
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22 days ago

The biggest fly in the Angels ointment are the strikeouts. The team is second in all of baseball with an average of 9.4 K’s per game, not a good recipe for success. Sunday nights ESPN national game of the week the halo’s had 16 K’s, that means only 11 of the remaining outs are balls put in play. You need to put pressure on the defense by putting the ball in play especially with all that team speed.

h27kim
Trusted Member
22 days ago

Weird. Just posted a comment, then accidentally hit refresh and the comment just disappeared. Anyways, the point was that, despite the unhappiness, I couldn’t think of anything major that PTP should have done differently. The biggest problem in the past 3 weeks had been the bullpen, and this was the newly revamped expensive bullpen with the best relievers available from last year. Even a month ago, we couldn’t have seen this coming. While dumpster diving for middle infielders (instead of middle relievers) was unfortunate, I think it was an acceptable tradeoff (certainly compared to spending big on a FA SS) given the pitchers we signed. The only thing that I wish PTP had done differently was to get a good 4th OF, but even here, at least some of my wishes were addressed unexpectedly–Ward, at least so far (even though he is no CF). In a sense, this is more frustrating: we got pretty much everything we asked for (within budget), it turns out that the one sure thing we thought we got for sure suddenly blew up big time. But who’s to blame for this?

rosstrade
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22 days ago
Reply to  h27kim

The problem is not just the bullpen. There are a lot of weaknesses in the roster that need to be addressed.

For example, over the losing streak, the Angels have scored 0 or 1 run 7 times. That’s close to half of their last 16 games.

None of us could have predicted that Perry’s bullpen acquisitions could have ALL ended up struggling. They seemed to be solid pick-ups. But, the Angels have lost over 10 games this year when leading up to the 7th inning. This represents the most blown leads in MLB, both leagues. Perry’s job is not just to get the best options to help the team based on the past performance of players who are available; it is also his responsibility to access their future potential for performance and team fit. In this with the bullpen acquisitions, he has failed miserably.

Sorry, h27kim, but I am completely unhappy with Perry’s efforts this year.

And, the fact that he takes no responsibility for his shortcomings is a really bad sign.

Finally, firing Joe Maddon, who the team performed very well under the first half of the year, and putting in Phil Nevin is not the kind of move that will 1) inspire the team to play better or 2) address the weaknesses that have plagued the team over the last 16 games.

VladimirTrout27
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22 days ago
Reply to  rosstrade

It looked like Madden mismanaged latter innings and some guys struggled. Add injuries, it was an ugly mix. The intended BP outside of Mayers are all back now. Time will tell as we’ll see if the guys getting paid get it together. Regarding Perry’s responsibility, Madden isn’t his guy, so scapegoat there. Outside of Velasquez, Perry’s guys have been underwhelming defensively. That extends innings, and puts more pressure on pitchers, along with added usage. This team should be in upper tier defensively even with the injuries. I blame Perry for that

Last edited 22 days ago by VladimirTrout27
rosstrade
Trusted Member
22 days ago

I agree, Maddon was done for at the end of the season.

Despite our problems, I still like our chances of making the playoffs. I say that because of how strong the starting pitching has been. Perry did do a great job of bringing in Thor and Lorenzen. If the starting pitching holds up, the bullpen rebounds, and the top five hitters produce (with some help from Duffy and Rengifo – I’ve given on on Ikeman and Squid producing offensively, we’ve got a real shot at the playoffs and doing some damage there….

JackFrost
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22 days ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Okay, well who are we going to beat out? Toronto sure as hell is not falling out. Neither is Tampa Bay.

So that leaves Boston. Right now their SP and especially bullpen are better than ours. You could say hitting is a wash.

If our bats return we have a slight advantage over them there. But they also have the lead. So, that is the problem. We are fighting an uphill battle. And it is because of that damn 14 game losing streak. And dropping 3 of 4 to the Red Sux did not help.

So really, our only chance of passing them is to at something point go on an 8 or 9 game winning streak and then to play a little above .500 in the other games.

I could believe the .525 or so part, but I don’t think we will get that 8-10 game win streak that we would need. Especially not with Nevin as the manager.

Last edited 22 days ago by JackFrost
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  rosstrade

I’d like a deeper roster, sure, but it’s important to remember, those seven dastardly games where we scored less than two during THE STREAK the main offensive problem wasn’t with the scrubs at the bottom of the line up. Trout, Ohtani, Walsh, Rendon, Ward and even Marsh were either hurt, or sucked, or both.

Suddenly having Cesar Hernandez on the team wasn’t going to fix that.

h27kim
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22 days ago

That’s really at the core of what I’m getting at: the entire lineup is fairly thin and top heavy–if the big bats are injured and/or not producing, the rest of the lineup will struggle. But this is inevitable at least some of the time for any team. You have a bullpen so that you can win as many of those low scoring affairs as possible. With a better functioning bullpen, I think about half a dozen of the past 16 losses could have been avoided. That makes for a more or less .500 record over a bad span (injuries, slump, tough opposition) and we would still be competitive for division lead.

I don’t like the results, but imagining there were better uses of the limited resources that could have made much difference (without picking and choosing informed by hindsight) is a fantasy, methinks.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  h27kim

Yep. You’d pretty much have to be that fantasy league GM who winds up with a random 2 WAR backup SS and OF just waiting to play when guys go down…. and have some rando like Duffy go on a tear when the big 5 hitters in the line up all suck at once.

As FanGraphs said, it really was a lot of bad luck, pitcher’s bad moments coming at very weak times for the offense.

If you want to feel better about our bottom 4 hitters take a look at the teams we are entangled with for a WC spot.

rosstrade
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22 days ago

That’s true, it was an amazing streak where even Trout and the Sho were struggling and Ward was on the IL.

cuda440
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22 days ago
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Eagerly antipating Perry being Terry Smith and Mark Lanston’s “special guest” in the booth should the Angels find themselves in the ditch 15 games back in the A.L. West. The Terry and Perry show with the Langer throwing in his .02 LOL……………

Last edited 22 days ago by cuda440
h27kim
Trusted Member
22 days ago

Unpopular opinion: I can’t think of two things that PTP should have done differently in the offseason.

There were limits imposed by the budget: we had a lot of holes (mostly pitching) and they couldn’t be filled if we spent big on a SS. We signed the best relievers from last season and gambled (so far turning out to be at least OK) on Thor and Lorenzen. The biggest problem so far has been the expensive bullpen made up of the best relievers on the FA market basically sucked for a few weeks now. I’m not happy, but I don’t think this could have been foreseen, even just a month ago.

What we did wind up doing with the middle IF, ironically, seems to have been doing what we did with relief pitching in the past to save resources for pitching: dumpster diving. Given the lack of roster depth elsewhere, though, I’m not happy about this. But I do think this is something that is at least defensible.

The only thing that I really wish PTP did (and TBH, this would not have made much more difference than maybe a win or two) is addressing the OF depth issues. I really wanted a good 4th OF. And even here, we actually did wind up with, at least so far, someone better than I expected: Ward (although he’s not exactly a plus defensive OF who could relieve Trout in CF). The problem, of course, was that Adell developed inexplicable lead glove that was starting to affect every aspect of his game so Ward went from a depth piece to the starting RF. Unlike the bullpen meltdown, I think this was something that was clearly foreseeable: given previous problems that Adell had (and that both he and Marsh are young) a good OF insurance seemed almost essential. BUT, when it comes to actual names, I’m drawing blank.

2GA2Join
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22 days ago
Reply to  h27kim

Your second sentence is what I agree was the problem right there… “limits imposed by the budget”. That is what is keeping us stuck.
If you’re going to have a few of the highest paid super stars in the game, you need to be willing to pay a lot more to surround them with solid players and be a strong team. Otherwise, stick to the A’s model of crank out a bunch of cheap solid prospects, win for 3 years, and then trade them all away for the next round of hot prospects and lose for 2 or 3 years waiting for your next window.

cuda440
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22 days ago

Angels are about to hit a brick wall against the Doyers at the Ravine. Then 3 in Atlanta to start the second half who have won 11 games in a row. Angels better improve or they could be looking at 12 games back in within the next 2 weeks…

max
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max
22 days ago
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Yabbott, after the Dodgers we get 8 games with the Mariners, and 3 each with KC and the White Sox. As good time as any to get some momentum before the Astros for 3. Then we get some competitve relief against the Orioles and Marlins.

VladimirTrout27
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22 days ago
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lol Cuda. Already looking at Atl in 2nd half. You literally are the king of glass half empty. Where is all your animosity coming from? Did Perry kick your dog or something?

cuda440
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22 days ago

Stay delusional if you see the Angels managing to win 3 of those games against the Dodgers and in Atlanta. Let alone getting a sweep. I live in the town of Realville.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Yeah VT27. Drink all the Kool Aid in the world, it’s not gonna save your descendants thousands of generations from now when the Sun blooms into a Red Giant and cooks the earth. So moated Pollyanna!

rosstrade
Trusted Member
22 days ago

we can’t stop the sun from becoming a red giant…..

and then a white dwarf.

Go Halos…..

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  rosstrade

I blame Arte for the aging cycle of stars.

El_Duderino
Trusted Member
22 days ago

I blame Arte for buying aging stars.

Angelz4ever
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22 days ago

So….what’s new?

fyasko51
Member
22 days ago

The bullpen is just a mess. I dont think there is one relief pitcher that I can feel comfortable going into the game with a 1 run lead. Ortega has no business pitching in the majors. Iglesias is awful. Basically everyone in the bullpen is getting paid to give up runs.
Cant blame Perry too much at the moment because he did inherit a lousy roster with over inflated contracts. Cant make a chicken salad with chicken shit.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  fyasko51

But have you heard? Anthony Rendon makes a lot of money.

FungoAle
Super Member
22 days ago

If the Angels finish in 4th place within the division, time to blow the whole thing up. I mean, all the valuable trade assets need to go.

Halo71
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22 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

If they don’t make the playoffs I’d blow up the team.

DowningDude
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22 days ago
Reply to  Halo71

Define blowing up

Halo71
Trusted Member
22 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Trade any valuable asset with an expiring contract.

DowningDude
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22 days ago
Reply to  Halo71

Your blow up is like a fireworks show consisting of new-style sparklers.

Syndergaard, Lorenzen, Ohtani (hahaha), Archie Bradley, Barria, Canning, Walsh, Herget, Mayfield, Quijada, Bear Claw, Velazquez.

So … valuable asset is the key in your reply … what’s valuable from that haul and what do we get?

LOLZ.

From Cot’s Baseball Contracts – all players and i’ve put “expiring contract” next to those that meet your criteria of expiring but i’m not sure which meet the “valuable asset” portion…

Mike Trout cf
12 years/$426.5M (2019-30)

Anthony Rendon 3b
7 years/$245M (2020-26)

Noah Syndergaard rhp (expiring contract)
1 year/$21M (2022)

Raisel Iglesias rhp
4 years/$58M (2022-25)

Aaron Loup lhp
2 years/$17M (2022-23), plus 2024 option

Ryan Tepera rhp
2 years/$14M (2022-23)

Michael Lorenzen rhp-of (expiring contract)
1 year/$6.75M (2022)

Shohei Ohtani rhp-dh (expiring contract)
2 years/$8.5M (2021-22)

David Fletcher ss
5 years/$26M (2021-25), plus 2026-27 options

Archie Bradley rhp (expiring contract)
1 year/$3.75M (2022)

Max Stassi c
3 years/$17.5M (2022-24), plus 2025 option

Kurt Suzuki c (expiring contract)
1 year/$1.75M (2022)

Matt Duffy 3b (expiring contract)
1 year/$1.5M (2022)

Juan Lagares cf (expiring contract)
1 year (2022)

Tyler Wade ss (expiring contract)
1 year/$825,000 (2022)

Jaime Barría rhp (expiring contract? or team control?)
1 year/$730,000 (2022)

Griffin Canning rhp (expiring contract? or team control?)
1 year/$730,000 (2022)

Jared Walsh rf (expiring contract? or team control?)
1 year/$730,000 (2022)

Jo Adell of (team control)
1 year/$720,000 (2022)

Jimmy Herget rhp (expiring contract? or team control?)
1 year/$720,000 (2022)

Jack Mayfield 2b (expiring contract? or team control?)
1 year/$720,000 (2022)

José Quijada lhp (expiring contract? or team control?)
1 year/$720,000 (2022)

Patrick Sandoval lhp (team control)
1 year/$720,000 (2022)

José Suarez lhp (team control)
1 year/$720,000 (2022)

Taylor Ward 3b (team control)
1 year/$720,000 (2022)

Cooper Criswell rhp (team control)
1 year/$710,000 (2022)

Reid Detmers lhp (team control)
1 year/$710,000 (2022)

Brandon Marsh of (team control)
1 year/$710,000 (2022)

Oliver Ortega rhp (team control)
1 year/$710,000 (2022)

Chris Rodriguez rhp (team control)
1 year/$710,000 (2022)

Austin Warren rhp (team control)
1 year/$710,000 (2022)

Kyle Barraclough rhp (expiring contract)
1 year (2022)

Davis Daniel rhp (team control)
1 year (2022)

Jhonathan Diaz lhp (team control)
1 year (2022)

Janson Junk rhp (team control)
1 year (2022)

Jose Marte rhp (team control)
1 year (2022)

Elvis Peguero rhp (team control)
1 year (2022)

Luis Rengifo 2b (team control?)
1 year (2022)

Kenny Rosenberg lhp (team control)
1 year (2022)

Chase Silseth rhp (team control)
1 year (2022)

Matt Thaiss c (team control)
1 year (2022)

Andrew Velazquez ss-3b (expiring contract)
1 year (2022)

Chad Wallach c (expiring contract)
1 year (2022)

Andrew Wantz rhp (expiring contract)
1 year (2022)

 

Angelz4ever
Member
22 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

No one said there was going to any math….

DowningDude
Super Member
22 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

sure … ADD good players. SUBTRACT bad ones. 😛

Halo71
Trusted Member
22 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

No need to be a jerk about it. I was just spitballing.

DowningDude
Super Member
22 days ago
Reply to  Halo71

What?

DowningDude
Super Member
22 days ago
Reply to  Halo71

I did this for people to honestly kick around who to trade. Nobody replied with real answers so I guess we don’t trade anyone.

OLIGARCHS FOR THE WIN

red floyd
Super Member
22 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

, I think they mean
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gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Halo71

Define failing to manage expectations.

DowningDude
Super Member
22 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

“Why? Arte Moreno’s still the owner”

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
23 days ago

Squid has been made a target today. If Rengifo was a better SS tan Squid, then why does Squid start? 2 reasons are at play here. One Squid can play defense, at least his fielding BBR War of 1.1 says so. That saves precious runs against us. As you all know and some have posted, one or two runs is a deal breaking when scored against us. Yes, Rengifo is a better bat, but not at the cost of fielding. Squid should bat eight and in a perfect world should bat 8th or 9th and Rengifo should be trade bait soon. He has limited range in the field and it’s iffy if he can always turn DP’s. He is involved in Fielder’s Choice outs because he is not thinking of what to do prior to a ball hit at him, therefore slower reflex time.

Squid is for real a great back up sub, but there is currently nothing available that is better. As for the outfield situations there is no excuse for almost 3 months in and having 2 history proven injury prone OF’s playing and not covering your ass as PTP is doing. GG has proven he is not up to the task as a full-time player, so since we have now gone thur journeymen OF’ers along with every extra infielder, except Duffy, playing in the OF, bring Adell back and roll with him. We do not have many options left.

I hate hindsight as much as the next guy but, If I knew that Fletcher was not going to hold up at SS why did the guys making big bucks not know? It’s no secret that I have been Fletch’s biggest supporter here for years, but even I thought of him as a good emergency SS at best. Not signing even someone not named Correa, Story, Baez, this past off season was just plain full out stupid. But bringing back Simmons would have been better than having the mess we are in. Ok enough said on hindsight for a while there. We put anyone else than Squid at SS in just foolish at best. Ok he can’t hit. But at a positive WAR in the field saves a lot of grief. The problem is not playing Duffy every day at second base as he is our best choice right now because he can hit. Save Wade for PH and PR. If you believe that Rengifo is a value, then let’s trade him for equal or lesser value pitching or catching.

Stassi should be playing more and Suzuki a lot less. Make Suzuki a coach, he is going to be there next year anyway. It seems every season we find a backup catcher or two that somehow is decent, not hard to find. What ever happened to Smith?

Bullpen is just a head scratcher. Can’t point the finger at PTP on this one. Just stay the with them and wait for improvement. Stay the heck away from the junk heap.

Starting pitching is still very good, but the bad news is dropping the 6-man rotation and keep these 5 decent one’s pitching, not sitting around getting cold. If Thor wants to miss a start, let him know the next time his spot comes up he’s in.

Here is the tough part, in 5 weeks, and that includes All Star week, PTP needs to decide where we are going. Are we in or out, and who goes and who stays? So where do we need help and depth? Outfield, Catcher, Relief Pitching, another Starter, and maybe a starting SS, all are a need. Cancel Pitching and go for our own unless some team is looking for a Salary dump or just to get something before a Walk Year.

Hopefully we pick up a Catcher before the pickup race starts. It’s a tough job refitting copper in galvy, but it can be done. Problem here is not every poster will be pleased but having a few hundred G.M.’s of our own, we hate when we are not listened to or privately consulted. 😂 

Picking up Machado one year earlier than Rendo, Machado was by far the better deal. He was and is a better fielder who also plays SS very well, is younger, and over all the better of the two then and now. Machado had been a brilliant pick up for the Doyer’s and we had the room coming room coming up. I wanted that one to, but right now we need Rendon to show up and play way above avg if we are to make the playoffs.

Thanx for reading this book, but I felt on an off day, why not. In April I never saw what would happen to this team, never saw this all coming. Hoped that there would be no major injuries, must have been drugs or heavy medication, but the Angels are the Angels and to Mike, you had your chance to bail, but Newport Beach doesn’t suck either. 😂 

Angelz4ever
Member
22 days ago

Trevor story if they eat some contract. I’ll take “Only” .260 at this point from SS.

VladimirTrout27
Trusted Member
22 days ago

Yeah Angels need a better backup at CA and I’m for Suzuki as a coach.

admkir
Trusted Member
23 days ago

Newcomb is available

benjiface
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22 days ago
Reply to  admkir

Newclear option

Fansince1971
Legend
23 days ago

A theoretical pitcher who had the great fortune of pitching against the Angels all 162 games could possibly record 2,000 strikeouts in a single season!

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
23 days ago

1.23 ERA in AA, 22 innings, 33 Ks, 9 hits. Why didn’t Perry sign this guy?

https://img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-photos/image/upload/c_fill,g_auto/w_360/v1/people/701539/headshot/milb/current

Last edited 23 days ago by Eric_in_Portland
Twebur
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23 days ago
Twebur
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23 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Or this guy? 21.2 innings, 3.32 era, 26 K’s, WHIP 0.97, BA .176, 8 walks, 2 bad outings (16 total) 3 runs each account for most of his era.

https://img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-photos/image/upload/c_fill,g_auto/w_180/v1/people/684665/headshot/milb/current

Twebur
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

….and others Kerry, Bush, Silseth. 2 that are struggling now with high potential Nick Jones and Braden Olthoff not to mention “Sam The Man”.Looks like the AA Pandas are our future

“I believe the Pandas are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside
Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
Let the Pandas laughter remind us how we used to be”

-Whitney “dont call me Ass’tro” Houston

https://www.milb.com/rocket-city/stats/pitching/strikeouts

Last edited 23 days ago by Twebur
JackFrost
Super Member
22 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

😂 😂

admkir
Trusted Member
23 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

2002 is that you

Twebur
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23 days ago
Reply to  admkir

 👊  👂  👖  💪  👉 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

All ohf these ideas are tura bull. If Arte would just stop hating pitchers he’s have signed Eduardo Rodriguez and Stephen Strausburg (the guy who was left after Wheeler went to his wife’s favorite team and Cole was done playing like he might not sign with the Yankees.) Or hell, at least sign Dallas Keuchel….

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
23 days ago

looking at Baseball Reference…

Games played: Ohtani 60, Walsh 59, Trout, Marsh, Squid, 54 each, Wade 50, Rendon 44, Ward 38. Everyone else, less than that.

OPS: Duffy .690, Rengifo .637, Wade .540, Lagares .522, Squid .501. Adell, by the way, .693.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

Did the Angels win or lose last night? I can’t remember. I’m just enjoying reading CoachDad decry how little Adell and Taylor Ward he’s getting in his line ups.

admkir
Trusted Member
23 days ago

How long before we start seeing some of these coaches being replaced

Twebur
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  admkir

Start with who ever is responsible for this team leading MLB with 583 strikeouts..209 more than the Indians, I’m aware they don’t hit with power like us. Leaning toward this being more of a philosophical issue….but can be talked into blaming this all on 6 thru 9 of our nightly auto out/anemic/putrid batting order sucking… With 1-5 over compensating for their suck.. Improving our MLB run total from 11 to maybe top 6 would go a long way in giving this underperforming BP some room to relax.

fishfarm
Trusted Member
23 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

This team never saw a first pitch it didn’t like.

MarineLayer
Super Member
22 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

You can’t blame hitters who suck for sucking. The culprits are the owner and the GMwho handed a steaming pile of crap roster to the managers. Hitting coaches can’t do much, it’s window dressing.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
23 days ago

We are wasting Patrick Sandoval

admkir
Trusted Member
23 days ago

Over the weekend they DFA’d Thomas and optioned Adell, while I don’t agree with the timing of Adell being optioned I do agree with the idea of him playing everyday in AAA because I don’t want him as a 4th outfielder, I would have kept him until today before making the move. When it comes to Thomas I would have kept him and let Lugares go home to his couch

MarineLayer
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  admkir

A fourth OF plays a lot due to injuries, off day maintenance and platooning. Time to bring him back.

admkir
Trusted Member
23 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Did you look at the moves this past weekend? Perry kept Lugares over Thomas and Adell. Adell has no chance at getting everyday playing tome at the MLB level

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  admkir

I would think 2-3 MLB games a week would help him more than 6 in AAA

admkir
Trusted Member
23 days ago

I actually think he is better off in AAA but say they keep him as a 4th OF, at who’s expense would that be? In all likelihood it would be Marsh in a platoon. I see this as detrimental to the progression of both players.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  admkir

I’d rather see an outfield of Marsh, Trout, Adell with Ward at 2b (!) jk

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

I actually wondered if that was even remotely possible….

Twebur
Super Member
22 days ago

Doyers let Max Muncy play 2nd base, if he can do it, Ward could do it……if Muncy is a 2nd baseman, I’m a CF’er.

VladimirTrout27
Trusted Member
22 days ago

Ward has gotten reps at catcher. Curious if we’ll ever see that this season

matthiasstephan
Super Member
22 days ago

With the couple of leg injuries so far, I wouldn’t want him put into more strain.

VladimirTrout27
Trusted Member
22 days ago

yeah more just a wild idea vs reality. say extra inning game etc

matthiasstephan
Super Member
22 days ago

As a 3rd catcher, sure. I still think Wallach over Suzuki should be a thing though.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  admkir

Exactly. Perry’s roster construction has boggled me at times.

The outfielder shortage first happened when he cut Upton despite expanded rosters. The second Ward went down we had Trout/Marsh/Adell and nobody else. But we had all of Wade, Mayfield, Squid, Fletcher, Rojas and Duffy.

Since then the outfield has featured a non outfielder more often than it should. However, the great big pile of utility guys has swapped out Fletcher for Rengifo.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
23 days ago

Firing on all cylinders part two, how to maybe salvage a season:

Ward comes back Tuesday. However, betting on him being a 200+ OPS+ guy for a full season is probably foolish he’s at least taking an automatic out and turning it into an MLB bat. Hopefully more.

DFA Wade. He’s useless. Meanwhile the Plumber is mashing to the tune of a .337 average and .421 OBP. He looks to be at least league average with the bat which is huge until Fletcher comes back and is also league average but with a decent glove.

Play Rengifo more and Squid less. Rengifo currently has an OPS+ that is over twice as good as Squid’s. He won’t make the flashy plays, but he’s a more rounded player.

Develop a points system for the lineup. For example, if Ohtani’s bat is out of the lineup, we can’t also have 3 spots of absolute suck in it like we did last night. No Ohtani must mean Stassi behind the plate and at least one of Wade and/or Squid sits preferably both.

In short, lineup with Ohtani: Ward, Ohtani, Trout, Walsh, Rendon, Marsh, Plumber, C, SS.

Lineup w/o Ohtani: Ward, Marsh, Trout, Walsh, Rendon, Stassi, Plumber, Rengifo

It won’t be perfect but this should largely mitigate 12 K’s against guys like Walker.

admkir
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23 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I considered last nights lineup with 4 auto outs adding Lugares to it. I would not mind seeing a lineup with the plumber in it and not seeing Wade, Velasquez, Lugares and Suzuki in it.

Jeff Joiner
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23 days ago
Reply to  admkir

Ward boots Lagares out of the lineup tomorrow.

VladimirTrout27
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23 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Angels need someone more reliable than Lagares. Cmon Perry, you were a scout. I’m all for Velasquez to go down to minors and Rengifo temporarily take SS and maybe use Mayfield at 2nd. I think Gosslin was a fair defender, but it felt like he had more value.

Jeff Joiner
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23 days ago

Goose at least did one thing really well: hit lefties. And considering the amount of time Rendon has been on the IL, he’d have gotten some playing time.

2GA2Join
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23 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Don’t forget he also married a young Meg Ryan, so he was sharp in that department too…

DowningDude
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23 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

“Take me to the World Series or lose me forever!”

admkir
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23 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Lineup yes, roster no

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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All this makes sense to me. At least worth a try.

rosstrade
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23 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Interesting approach.

Definitely agree about Wade and the Plumber.

Appreciate your attempt to think about a way to improve run production – these 0 or 1 run games the Halos offense keeps producing isn’t going to get the team to the playoffs.

Jeff Joiner
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23 days ago
Reply to  rosstrade

I think our worst case scenario is we put up a few more runs and make pitchers actually work each inning.

Seems like we’re going from the starter to a team’s best bullpen duo night after night. Makes it too easy for them.

At least grinding out a few extra ABs early on, getting a few more guys on base, that will let us get into some middle relief from time to time.

JackFrost
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23 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Indeed. That is key. Against Carrasco we made him throw alot of pitches early and then everything flowed out of that…

Angels2020Champs
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23 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Great thoughts Jeff. Appreciate you taking the time to spell them out and couldn’t agree more about bullpen moves (can’t win them all, especially if you’re the angels), perry leaning too much in one area while not addressing anything, etc.

It was really fun listening to trout on espn last night. I’m wondering if he ever gets to be Tom Brady and can lure certain players to the angels 🤷🏼‍♂️

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Gauntlet’s almost done. We’re 3.5 back of the WC. F*** you logic, we’re making the play offs.

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23 days ago

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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The Angels are immune to your disdain my friend.

fishfarm
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23 days ago

We’re going to the world series.

JackFrost
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23 days ago
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 😂 

And yes, I do realize it is sarcasm.

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DowningDude
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23 days ago
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🚨 sarcasm 🚨

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23 days ago

2022 Angels: At least we tried. Participation awards for everyone!

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