LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: MiLB Dealing

Good morning Angels fans! Games are almost here! Have some links.

Angels News

Angels sign Andrew Romaine to a MiLB deal. Hey, can HE be the backup catcher instead?

Ohtani is looking great so far in camp. He wants to get better too? Oh wow the work ethic, please don’t get hurt.

The Angels have been given a 38% chance to make the playoffs by Fangraphs, somehow. That’s nothing, though, since Baseball Prospectus giving the Angels a 68% chance to make the playoffs! Do they know some moves we don’t?!

Fangraphs seriously likes the Angels pitching. No idea why they keep building the fans up.

New Angels pitcher Michael Lorenzen is maybe going to hit this season? Even he is confused that he has a batting helmet.

Angels sign a pitcher! To an MiLB deal. Well, it’s something.

Maddon believes in Kurt, but says he declined from being overworked. Maybe this means more Stassi than last year.

Looks like Thaiss is getting catching reps in spring with the rotation… is that hope I feel?

Around Baseball

Youtube will stream 21 games this season. Honestly, I do enjoy them quite a bit, somehow they have fewer ads than on TV.

Braves extended Matt Olsen who they just acquired in a trade to an 8/168M deal. Well, he is far younger than Freeman, guess that makes sense.

NYC mandate says that Yankees and Mets players need to be vaccinated to play. Aaron Judge isn’t vaccinated, and the Mets may have plenty of players who aren’t either.

Tatis Jr. will no longer be on a motorcycle ever again. Therefore, from now on, he is bikeless.

Braves get reliver Collin McHugh. Because of course the Angels didn’t get him, they can’t have nice things.

Anthony Rizzo stays with NYY, which makes yet another Freeman suitor satisfied.

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes!

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Mets are over 300M, Dodgers are at 277M and will probably add a little more. Yankees will be up there too if they pay a pitcher and Judge.

Obviously Arte hates winning, thus just 180M. Time to sell the team to Putin. That guy gets shit done and will have a 500M payroll. He will also just tell good players they play for him now. He will also not pay the luxury tax and let the MLB and owners to just speak up and let him know if any of them have a problem with it. Our players will also be almost frantically motivated. Putin. The answer to all our problems. Let’s go Putin.

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago

If you sell to Putin the budget will be the same, he’ll say it’s 280 and pocket the extra 100M. The other 29 teams will just be threatened with their stadiums being nuked if they dare take the field against us.

WS Champs every year by forfeit, baybeeeeee.

Cowboy26
Legend
2 years ago

Wait until Rob gets mysteriously ill after their discipline hearing. Giamatti may not be the only one who dies in office.

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Perry signed a guy named Polonium Tea, what kind of a last name is Tea?

MikeSalmon
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

Yet another MIF from Venezuela. Good field, no hit. I doubt he’ll make the team. Father was a nuclear physicist. Pronounced puh LON ee um TAY-uh.

Hold on…just found another article that said his dad was abducted by the KGB and was never seen again. Weird!

Fansince1971
Legend
2 years ago

With inflation and gas prices, $180 million is like $100 million 5 years ago.

Twebur
Legend
2 years ago

I thought in the process of reclaiming Alaska he’d just take over the Seattle Mariners.
But, then I remembered that Jerry is such a bad ass GM he’d just use his Jedi negotiation skills with Putin and stop the hostile take over.

steelgolf
Super Member
2 years ago

Will he ride a bear around the infield during the 7th inning stretch?

WallyChuckChili
Legend
2 years ago

Freeman 6yr $162m vs Rendon 7yr $245m

FungoAle
Legend
2 years ago

That sure puts things in perspective. Yikes.

Fansince1971
Legend
2 years ago

But the Angels got a 7 th year!

MarineLayer
Super Member
2 years ago

Yup. What a travesty.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

Six years seems a long time for a 32-year old. But I guess 1B is a position in which you can have some sense of longevity.

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago

You gotta take a risk at the end of these big deals. That’s how it works. You just hope you can get 3-4 really good years out of him.

red floyd
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2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

And how did that work out with Pujols?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  red floyd

OK, you’re right. So now you’ll be totally cool if we never sign a free agent over age 30 right? Or just sign the guys over 30 years old who are willing to take what, three year deals? Those guys are awesome. Or wait, just demand that really good free agents who are over 30 take short term deals from us, ie the CtPG dreamworld contract. I’m sure that’ll happen seeing as how Freeman just refused to do that with the last two WS champions.

Man do I hate bigtime free agents. PLEASE, for the love of Gah Arte, build that farm up.

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago
Reply to  red floyd

That’s the thing about taking a risk, sometimes you fall on your ass.

FungoAle
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2 years ago

Agree, the position helps. Nice pick up. I still think I would have signed him in Atlanta and kept the 4 prospects.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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162M, now days, is a lot for a 1B.

MarineLayer
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

While the Doyers were mucking around with Freeman PTP signed some guy named Cesar Valdez. His age and stat line are too depressing to contemplate.

FungoAle
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2 years ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

That happened yesterday. It was so low key and insignificant it did not even get mentioned here on CtPG. Perry the P.

steelgolf
Super Member
2 years ago

Foyers and Freeman nearing a deal.

steelgolf
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Doyers. Damn spellcheck

Cowboy26
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2 years ago
Reply to  steelgolf

That makes us the bullet Dodgers then.

steelgolf
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yep. I’m happy about it.

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Stupid Perry not being the Dodgers GM to sneak a contract for the Angels in at the last second.

steelgolf
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

😂

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Maybe if cheap Arte PAID HIM MORE

bradllee424
Trusted Member
2 years ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Angels were never going to sign Freeman because he is a first baseman. I wish Freeman would have been a short stop then maybe something could have happened. Tired of hearing that the Dodgers can spend spend spend. Hope the Giants take them down this season.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
2 years ago

Plenty of time before the season so I remain somewhat optimistic something cool happens.

If not, I’m convinced the real reason will have been the looming Skaggs settlement and nobody will be allowed to acknowledge it. Just “oh yeah we’re really feeling good about the guys we have” type stuff.

Cowboy26
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2 years ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Doubtful it has to do with Skaggs. They probably have insurance for that.

I’m guessing its more about an impending extension for Ohtani. Arte is probably getting ready to spend a shitpile of money on Ohtani to kick in next year so this is why he doesn’t want any more multi year commitments right now.

Last edited 2 years ago by Cowboy26
bradllee424
Trusted Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I hope you are right.

bradllee424
Trusted Member
2 years ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

I honestly think it has a lot to do with Skaggs and the Stadium deal problems. I didn’t think Moreno was going to spend until those two things are settled.

Jeff Joiner
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2 years ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Stadium deal is far more likely than Skaggs, I think.

Ohtani too.

I know they’ll hand him Upton’s money. But he’ll need more.

bradllee424
Trusted Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Fans need to realize we did get two big free agents this offseason. One is named Trout and the other is Rendon.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  bradllee424

We had those 2 free agents in a shortened 2020 with expanded playoffs and still missed the postseason. the AL is also considerably stronger and improved since then so 2020 status quo ain’t really getting it done.

bradllee424
Trusted Member
2 years ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

This team cannot keep giving out 200-300 thousand dollar contracts. They need to start building on their farm system. That way you can make trades to improve the team. I believe Pujols was the first big contract that ruined what the team had going in the 2000’s.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
2 years ago

I’m not a Joe Maddon fan, but the players like him. His choices with the Bullpen in the late innings were just mind blowing. Agreed he did not have a lot of choices but when it was known that one pitcher allowed base runners to score he did not get the memo and keep bringing him into games with runners on. I believe in the Stolen Base as it will distract the pitcher. I am aware the Geeks do like the SB because they do not translate to enough runs vs the runner being thrown out but they do not count the intangibles.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 years ago

I have gone through this many times Grandpa. A manager HAS to use the players on his roster.

And unfortunately you can’t pitch your best reliever every day. That means a manager with a weak bullpen is FORCED to use certain relievers in non-optimal situations.

THIS is why it is so important to have reliable pieces in the pen and not just one guy (Raisel ) who you can count on.

Believe me, if he had Blake Treinen down there he would not have been going to Cisek.

GrandpaBaseball
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2 years ago

We and Shohei dodged a bullet or at least and comeback hit baseball today in Arizona. Whoo-wee.

FungoAle
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2 years ago

Hardest hit ball in Kean Wong’s illustrious career.

Insert some Kean jokes please…

GrandpaBaseball
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2 years ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Lining out hard to Shohei proved to be the Wong idea.

RexFregosi
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I Shot the Sheriff

(but i did not shoot his Ipp-uty)

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago

Not to be missed in the Duffy news, they put Canning on the 60-day.

GrandpaBaseball
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2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

He needs to go under the ka-nife.

Cowboy26
Legend
2 years ago

Another season shit-Canned

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
2 years ago

As I noted below, Matt Duffy.

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago

That’ll work quite well.

FungoAle
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2 years ago

Not horrible, can play 3rd and SS. Has a decent bat. Kind of a Goose knock-off or vice versa.

FungoAle
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2 years ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I should say 3rd and 2nd. Ex-Giant, Ex-Dirtbag.

Cowboy26
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2 years ago
Reply to  FungoAle

His SS metrics are terrible. The dudes best position is third base but we already have one of those. He can play second So unless we’re going to move Fletch to short permanently and have the Duffman man the keystone, he’s going to have to replace Captain Jack off of the bench.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Rendon is finished. Remember?

RexFregosi
Super Member
2 years ago

maybe we were in on Kris Bryant till the very end

Cowboy26
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I’m sure we were .

RexFregosi
Super Member
2 years ago

an upgrade over Captain Jack?

seem the same to me.

Cowboy26
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I think you’re right. I’ll bet you the Duff is manning second

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Yeah, I think the only difference between him and Jack is slightly more OBP and a little more ability to play 2B.

RexFregosi
Super Member
2 years ago

what i see right now are four MIFs we know well – Captain Jack, Rojas, Fletch, and Rengifo.

And the new MIFs in camp? Velazquez, Gatewood, Wade, Duffman, Wong, Stefanic

the problem is, the BIG problem is, none of these new MIFs are looking much better than our old MIFs. And that means it does not appear we have a playoff caliber SS in this camp.

Maybe the new ones make us better at the margin and nothing wrong with that but we should prioritize a new SS.

(right now i’d say Rengifo is the favorite to start at SS opening day)

Cowboy26
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2 years ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Whoa for a while there I thought you were talking about MILF’s not MIF’s

Jeff Joiner
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2 years ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Agreed. It’s like they’re assembling a pile of meh abs hoping one breaks out.

I think Velasquez is the starter as of now.

But it’s open.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Seems like the Johnny Giovatella open competition at 2B all over again (with perhaps similar long term results).

2002heaven
Super Member
2 years ago

Watching 2019 winter meetings all over again.
Another train wreck season just like the 2020 pandemic season.
Everybody except the rebuilding A’s and the Astros got better.
Maybe the 75 yr old billionaire should apply for federal relief funding.
Starting to wonder if Perry’s gonna stay the full length of his contract.
 😫  😫  😭  😠  💩 

bradllee424
Trusted Member
2 years ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I am sure you would have said the same thing in March 2002 because that team looked awful on paper except the bullpen.

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago

Kris Bryant to the Rockies

https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status/1504221098124226566?s=21

Money talks. The Rockies are wasting Kris Bryant.

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago

None whatsoever. But I do look forward to a warm summer evening at Coors and having at least one decent player worth watching.

7yrs/182M

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

Oh and he’s got a NTC.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

Get there early. His BP session there will be nuts.

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

BP at Coors is always great. I still remember Ohtani in 2018.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

I’m thinking of visiting my family out there this summer and catching a game there.

I keep thinking going to every MLB park with my son would be a cool thing.

Oh, and I’d gladly buy you and your wife a beverage or two if we go.

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

It’s a great thing to experience if you can pull it off. I gotta get my dad to more parks while he’s still super active.

We’ll have to see where we’re at this summer, might be fun.

FungoAle
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

wow, 7 year deal. Takes Marquez off the market.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

I’m telling myself that since we still hear of big signings or trades that it’s possible Perry will come up with something that will please us.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

No. PTP will never please us.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
2 years ago

yeah? what would you say if I told you….”Matt Duffy!”? Eh?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Now I’m pleased. Actually, I am pleased. That’s a not a bad addition to the “Middle Infield Thunderdome” if that’s the way we’re going. Six man enter, two man leave.

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago

You’ve gotta learn to please yourself before you can let others do it for you. I think I heard that in therapy once, yeah.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mia

Louis? Is that you? You stay the f*** away from my Oreos man!

Mia
Legend
Mia
2 years ago

Alright, I googled it and got nothing.

Your reference is lost on me.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

Louis C.K.

And you probably don’t want to google it.

RexFregosi
Super Member
2 years ago

Here’s today’s pics. Raisel brought some smiles to the team.

Still have no idea at SS who it’ll be, but to me its the biggest gap on the squad.

Perry says Arte has given him ‘no limitations’ – ok prove it; sign Correa now.

This team will hit and score, and there’s enough in the bullpen. And just maybe we have enough starters if (a) Barria/Suarez can take another step up and (b) Thor/Lorenzen contribute meaningfully. Bachman and Detmers will be a big help too.

And maybe Freddie Freeman shows up tomorrow – you never know.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
2 years ago

I would rather miss the playoffs than have Correa on the team.

RexFregosi
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I’ve been wanting Story all along

– first time i said Correa this winter and just because the budget is unlimitted!!!

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
2 years ago

Story away from Coors Field is a .241/.310/.442 hitter. I like his glove and we need a shortstop, but playing in the AL West he’s likely to be an underwhelming hitter.

Correa has almost no splits despite knowingly cheating at home for a couple of years.

He’s a dick, but far more likely to actually earn his money here in Anaheim.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
2 years ago

I get that. I’m just hoping Story doesn’t get paid like he’s a middle of the order bat when he’s likely to be just a tad better than league average.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Unless, of course, it is somebody else paying Story.

Cowboy26
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

The Story at the Big A is a little better with a slash line of (.253/.364/.474)

When you say underwhelming do you mean even worse than the production we’ve gotten out of the shortstop position the last 3 years ? Cuz that wont be hard to beat.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I mean underwhelming based on what casual fans will expect. He’ll get big money, people will see his overall numbers, then think he’s a bust when he does exactly what he should: .250/.330/.440.

That’s not bad, but that’s definitely not the middle of the order type bat Story has been portrayed to be in the past, either.

Cowboy26
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

With our murderers row, a .770 OPS out of our shortstop would be huge:

Ohtani
Trout
Rendon
Walsh
Story
Upton/Adell
Marsh
Stassi
Fletcher

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

great pix, Rex. Thanks.

ScoopleDoople
Trusted Member
2 years ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Thanks for the pics!

RexFregosi
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

its ok it was just Wong who hit it

– thank God Arte is just signing weak hitting AAAA IFs these days

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Ohtani:

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matthiasstephan
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

Ohtani saves himself with lightning quick reflexes, but is so very polite that he smiles at Wong instead of being pissed.

(Happy that wasn’t Stroman up there).

JackFrost
Super Member
2 years ago

Why would he be pissed?

It is not like Wong was trying to do that, or that he even could if he tried.

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

I guess they should play “Year of the Cat” tomorrow.

RexFregosi
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

I Shot the Sheriff

(but I did not shoot the Ipp-uty)

matthiasstephan
Super Member
2 years ago

Not sure the Astros look like as sure thing as everyone here seems to think they are. Bregman is always injured (he is day to day already) and McCullers is also hurt again.

Do they have more pitching depth than we do? It doesn’t seem so, at first glance (though I know more about our prospects than theirs), but seems like Josh James might have to start to open the season, and Forest Whitney (their top prospect a few years ago) is still fighting back from injury.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
2 years ago

Agreed. Seattle is looking much better, the Astros are coming back a bit. With a little improvement, the West could be a nice 3 team race.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Certainly Houston is not what they were a couple of years ago, but they are still quite dangerous, and they don’t usually beat themselves. Being able to win close games will be key for us against them. And guess what, that usually comes down to the bullpen. We need big years out of Raisel (again) as well as Loup, Mayers and probably Buttrey as well.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Houston is a legitimate favorite to win the AL West, no doubt.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yep. There are indeed.

I checked some of the Futures lines for MLB yesterday. The Astros were the favorites to Win the AL West at (-166). The Angels were a distant second at I think (+310). At least the Astros are not huge favorites like they have been in recent years when they were like (-350).

Still, I am taking a wait and see attitude with the Halos this year. They might as well be the Royals and Cardinals and playing in Missouri because I am in a “Show Me” kind of mood. No more blind optimism. The Angels will have to prove to me that their SP is good enough to win this year.

Last edited 2 years ago by JackFrost
2002heaven
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

They still have that starting rotation (those 3 Latin guys that they got for just under $500K plus Lance McCullers Jr).
 😖  😫  😠 

JackFrost
Super Member
2 years ago

Still, Luis Garcia is solid and Framber Valdez is capable of tossing a really good outing now and then and otherwise usually keeps them in the game. We’ll see what happens with McCullers and Verlander, but we know what both those guys are capable of doing. In addition, if they get Correa back the offense will be quite good (will be even if they don’t).

Last edited 2 years ago by JackFrost
Mia
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Mia
2 years ago

Has anyone here ever had a boss before?

I’m sure Arte would be perfectly fine with Perry telling that media he’s a cheap bastard that doesn’t want to win. 🙄

Perry isn’t stupid, he just knows how to keep his owner from replacing him.

Stop getting worked up over statements to the media. Y’all look like some casual ass Facebook fans.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mia

You are stupid and hate champions. I just blocked you on MySpace AND that new Facebook thing.

Mia
Legend
Mia
2 years ago

Oh yeah? Well at least Tom is still my friend.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

Yeah, it is almost like Perry knows a lot of people are going to hear/read what he says.

His boss, the players, other GMs, agents, fans….so he gives us all nothing.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

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2002heaven
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

All Perry has to do is not leave in a huff and on bad terms the way Dipoto did.
If he does a decent reasonable job considering his predecessor’s bad circumstances (meddling, undermined and underfunded in key critical areas) since 2003 then he’ll be out of the woods.
 😢  💪  💪  👈 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

This is actually true. If he doesn’t get renewed down the line but does an OK job and keeps his cool it won’t hurt his prospects.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Greinke to the Royals, 1 year – $13M

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago

He can’t hit in either league anymore, may as well finish it where he started it.

Good for him.

Twebur
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2 years ago
Last edited 2 years ago by Twebur
red floyd
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2 years ago
Reply to  Twebur

Are you saying he plays infield the Wong way?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  red floyd

he’s almost a keen hitter, but the glove isn’t wong.

Last edited 2 years ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
Designerguy
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  red floyd

Can he play right field? Maybe the Angels can right a Wong?

FungoAle
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  Designerguy

I guess this is a good reason to have Wong on the team, the jokes are endless. Takes our minds off of his on field performance.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  FungoAle

You aren’t Wong.

Designerguy
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Let’s get another Wong and let them fight for LF. We can prove that two Wongs don’t make a right.

FungoAle
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  Twebur

It is one thing to feel content and not pursue the remaining FA talent left but signing crap like this amplifies the frustrations.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  FungoAle

The team needs AAA depth and camp bodies. Romine is better than Suzuki so that’s a plus.

I’ll be pissed if they don’t bring in any more guys. But I’m not taking a few minors deals as proof they won’t.

FungoAle
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2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Jeff, I’d feel a hell of a lot better to see you playing for the Bees than Kean Wong.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  FungoAle

It’s Quinoa

red floyd
Legend
2 years ago

Definitely the nickname if he makes it to the big team.

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago
Reply to  Twebur

Having the Sorcerer Supreme should give us an edge, right?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Remember back on Halo’s Heaven when the constant wank was that we needed Joe Maddon?

I do.

Is anyone excited about extending the contract of this senile hippie? Would you rather do that or get stuck with some guy you’ve never heard of who sucks because you’ve never heard of him? In the end I guess it doesn’t matter, we’ll always have ol’ CheapnEvil to complain about.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 years ago

So, I guess Joe is to blame for aquiring Julio Teheran and expecting him to be an asset to the rotation? And Jose Quintana. And I guess he was responsible for signing Albert to that long contract that ate up a huge part of the salary cap for a decade ? People might say, well he played guys like Watson, Cisek, and other bullpen stiffs, but he has to play with the roster he’s given. As a manager you pretty much have to play the guys on your active roster. Unless you are ready to claim that Joe was 100% responsible for roster construction the last two years then I don’t see how he gets blamed. You have to have a complete roster to win as a manager, with very few exceptions.

Ironically, Joe is one of the managers that managed to win with less than stellar talent while he was in Tampa Bay. Usually that kind of magic trick cannnot be accomplished.

And Joe has won Manager of the Year three separate times(2008, 2011 and 2015). I guess each of those years he just got “lucky,” right?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

Yup. That’s what I typed. I am saying it was Maddon who signed Tehran, Quintana, Albert… hell, let’s throw Allen and Harvey in there too. I am obviously laying ALL the teams problems squarely at the feet of Maddon.

So your hot piss answer is…

A) Made up long distance blame shifting bullshit followed by…

B) “Unless you are ready to claim that (Enter Manager) was 100% responsible for roster construction the last two years then I don’t see how he gets blamed. You have to have a complete roster to win as a manager, with very few exceptions.” This, of course, being an excuse one can use regarding ANY manager since they never have 100% roster control. It’s also an excuse hardly anyone was giving Soth or Ausmus.

C) The past was great, back before all of baseball started doing the same things he did ten years ago…. when he was winning with far from complete rosters…. before he was given a totally stacked roster in Chicago and still almost blew the WS in his own individual quirky style.

D) Followed by a sick burn where you imply I think he was “lucky”…. eight years ago.

I guess I was totally wrong. Joe doesn’t seem old, out of touch and as pathetically hooked on his buddies as Soth was. He’s also totally managed the shit out of this team, warts and all. How could I have missed it? We should totally sign up for more years. All of the bitching about past managers, but finding excuses for the Maddon we demanded, makes total sense to me now. Thanks.

All I asked was, does he seem like the guy you thought you were gonna get when you begged for him? Do you want to keep him through say 2025? If yes, do you have any reasons to keep him that aren’t similar to what his mom would tell me? Because, as far as I can tell, all of these things could have been said of Soth, and even I was in favor of him going away just cause I figured it was time to try something new.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
2 years ago

too long, didn’t read the whole thing. Imagine if 2002 Heaven got steamed up when people didn’t kiss his heinie.

Cowboy26
Legend
2 years ago

2002 Heaven, Steamed & heinie?I’m thinking you need to post an emoji or 2

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Then say you have to go to the bathroom.💩

JackFrost
Super Member
2 years ago

Ha ha. I have given my reasons here many times before and I don’t feel like regurgitating those. Just because you can’t remember discussions that happened on at least several occasions here doesn’t mean I am obliged to keep having them.

You compare him to Soth here, and for the majority of his career as Angels manager Scioscia had much better starting pitching (Colon, Weaver, Wilson, Escobar etc),and a far better bullpen. The last couple of years of Sosh the SP was thin, but he had more than ample opportunity to win us a 2nd WS trophy and failed in the playoffs time and time again. And the last few years of Soth he couldn’t even sniff the playoffs.

So please stop with the Scioscia apologetics while cherry picking the seasons Maddon had flawed rosters to somehow make a terrible attempt to argue that he is a bad manager and that Soth is as good if not better. That plane is not gonna fly.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

You still just can’t answer the question can you? So… you’re a yes on extending Maddon? “I’ve given my reasons before” is a candy assed response, especially because I am addressing something YOU JUST TYPED.

And I’m not comparing him to Soth. I am comparing our collective attitude towards Soth to your excuses for Maddon. I asked a question. You came back all Billy Bigballs. But hey, why explain yourself? Just tuck em in and ask the mirror if you’re pretty. I guess the same excuses that didn’t cut it for Soth do cut it for Maddon in your mind because…. reasons.

I mean, you literally could have gotten away with “eh, I’d give him a little more time, see what he can do… can’t think of anyone I’d rather have right now”.

Poop emoji.  💩  Muscles.  💪 . Ha. Ha. Haz.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 years ago

Don’t be thick. I gave more than enough of a justification in my first comment, that you decided to unceremoniously attack with very weak arguments.

Here it is in a nutshell: Maddon has proven multiple seasons at the Big League level that he is a very good manager. He did not forget how to manage overnight. He wins when given a solid,complete roster, and even sometimes wins with a good but not great roster. Guess what, in his short tenure here with the Angels as the Field Manager he has had very flawed rosters! Do you know what that means ?

If you give the man a solid roster he’ll win. He hasn’t gotten that yet.

Perhaps I have to go step by step like you’re a Third Grader, because that appears to be your emotional level.

Last edited 2 years ago by JackFrost
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

So, yes, you do think the excuses that we weren’t accepting for Soth or Ausmus, such as roster construction and past wins, do apply for Maddon and you’re inclined to keep him longer term…. plus you’re Billy Bigballs and some stuff. Got it.

Twebur
Legend
2 years ago

I’m OK with the hippie sticking around and sleeping on the couch for a few more years. Ideally, wait until later in the season, make sure he doesn’t have any Silver Alerts this year

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Twebur

Yeah. He’s not very good. I think early 2010s Maddon is gone. But, as was the case with Soth for a while, I can’t really think of anyone who I think would be sure to do better right now. I sure don’t want to just fire him, but I also don’t want to extend him past 2023 unless we start seeing some actual “Joe Maddon” teams.

RexFregosi
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Twebur

My vote is to bring back Scioscia

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  RexFregosi

Eh. Different name, same issues. Though newer faces are more of a crap shoot.

RexFregosi
Super Member
2 years ago

Scioscia runs a much funner camp because his mouth was always running. Its days like this i miss him and Dino.

Joe is just cool.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Senile Hippies rule!

In general, Maddon is the least of the problems with the franchise.

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2002heaven
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2 years ago

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Nothing wrong with old hippies, plus I hate Joe Rogan!!!!
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steelgolf
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Hey look, it’s a picture of a male “Karen”

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  steelgolf

Not to single you out, you’re just the last comment, but I wasn’t asking a political question. I just want to know if people think Joe’s slippin since his late 2000s heyday or if they think we should extend him.

steelgolf
Super Member
2 years ago

Eh, I think he has his quirks, like Scioscia did, and many managers do. I’m more meh if they extend him, and okay if they bring in someone else. Joe’s Cishek use was Maddoning last year, but that is/was his quirk.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  steelgolf

Yeah, hopefully his worst quirk this year is announcing player position movements before anyone’s talked to the player about it and loving Kurt Suzuki

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Perry. The perfect GM statement. “We are trying to do stuff because we want to do stuff. We want to get better in the rotation, the bull pen, as hitters and on defense, as well as in the training room, the score board operator, the locker room guys, the ticket sales counter and the nuts guys… they need to be saltier…”

I wish he would just come out and tell the world who he is trying to sign and for how much and who he is trying to trade for and what he’s offering. Sure, opposing GMs would then drink his milkshake, but I’d probably feel better right?

MarineLayer
Super Member
2 years ago

If you want to be better in those areas, get better players, PTP.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

Doing stuff is good….

RexFregosi
Super Member
2 years ago

Got ‘pen?

Iglesias-Loup-Buttrey

Shite!

Cowboy26
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

and Warren

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Assuming Buttrey can get back to his grip it and rip it days of his first year and a half….

Iglesias
Loup
Warren
Meyers
Buttrey
Barria/Suarez as the long man

Not bad at all. Much better than we’ve had in years. But it still needs more until my prospect crush Luke Murphy comes up and is Frankie 2.0.

Cowboy26
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

That’s not enough to contend. We’ll probably carry 8 pitchers this year so we need at least 2 more viable arms until the kids are ready . I noticed Quesadilla’s still on the roster I’m wondering if he’s already penciled in as the mop up leftie out of the pen . Also I’m curious what the Angels plans are for Gerardo Reyes He allegedly was going to make the team last year out of ST until his shoulder injury shut him down

steelgolf
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26
FungoAle
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Due to Perry’s penchant for inactivity, I’m guessing he sees Bachman in the pen by June. And that might be a beautiful thing. Need some gas.

red floyd
Legend
2 years ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Then he can Turn ‘er into Overdrive.

Last edited 2 years ago by red floyd
RexFregosi
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  red floyd

we gotta get PTP to start taking care of business now, June is a bit late.

can’t believe he’s just gonna let it ride til then.

Designerguy
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Then we can just roll on down the highway